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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (1 Viewer)

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modogg said:
i am still amazed that the NBA felt they had to intervene and force the Sixers to get rid of Sam Hinkie, yet the Sacremento Kings are allowed to continue as is. 

almost funnier, is how much Jalen Brown and Tatum are padding their stats with a 40 pint lead. i mean you wonder why no one in Boston can develop as a player or why others wouldn't want to play there. You are up 40+ since the 2nd quarter, yet Tatum and Brown stay in and take shot after shot. Would this not be the time to get all of the underdeveloped 1st round picks at the end of the Boston bench in to get some minutes? i mean if Sac gets with-in 20 you can always put Tatum and Brown back in. Just is pretty gross

ETA: sheesh, thank you Ime for finally getting some sort of common sense in play
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If Hinkie was so good why doesn't he have a job in Sports and teaching as a professor at Stanford instead? Despite what many sixers fans want to believe the NBA didn't force him out of the sixers. Brett Brown and him were fighting and Brown accused him of sabotaging what he was creating. Brown didn't like how Brown forced the sixers that if they wanted to keep Brown then Hinkie had to leave or else he wasn't signing an extension Given that Brown had the inside track of knowing Ben Simmons family Hinkie was forced out by Brown and the team. 

Hinkie also wasn't that great in drafting and got Lucky with Drafting Embiid do to the top 2 teams being scared off by medical red flags. The only things Hinkie was good at was acquiring assets he never used and making sure the team sucked as much as possible. Based on people in the know this isn't surprising what happened between Brown and Hinkiie as I've heard Hinkie is very difficult to deal with and stubborn in his ways. 

Also if the NBA did care it's because the Sixers were a big market team who shouldn't have to tank to acquiring talent. The league was loosing money in terms of ticket sales/gate, merchandise,TV etc. Sacremento is a small market so they won't care as much about that market losing either. 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Nobody at the Beal or Butler level.  But they clearly will need someone who can create their own shot, handle the ball, and not be afraid to take a clutch 3.  They don't have a go-to guy on the outside.  This person doesn't need to be a multi-time all-star to push the team to championship level, especially if you are not giving up anything else really other than Simmons.

Jaylen Brown costs more than Simmons, so they may not go that route.  But all the other names we have heard.  I don't think they want to move Tobias.  I think Embiid likes playing with him, and he is a real leader in the locker room.

So it's the return of Jerami Grant, Brandon Ingram, Caris Levert, Haliburton and Hield etc.
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I think they want to move Harris he was nothing more then a knee jerk reaction after losing Butler and was overpaid and now they are having buyers remorse. If they can somehow get rid of both Ben and Tobias contracts they'd be ecstatic. 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
There was no value in trading Simmons early.  They have created a market with the leaks.  It could backfire with teams having Morey-Fatigue, but I think one of those deals gets done where Morey was asking for the moon.
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Simmons still has no trade value. Most teams know the Sixers are just BSing leaks to get someone to bite. I think the only team dumb enough is Sacremento at this point. Maybe CJ McCallum for Ben Simmons happens but I don't see anything of value being given up for Ben. I think the 76ers are gonna just play themselves. I wouldn't be shocked if they wait till the offseason to get a deal done for something but wouldn't be shocked if he's gone by the deadline. 

In other news related to Ben Simmons Adele apparently postponed her Vegas shows. Her agency is Clutch and Paul and she apparently is having a falling out with him. This guy and his agency are writing the book of what not to do as an agency for dummies 101. I'm by no means an Adele fan, don't care for her music (Think there is better singers out there in her genre that people don't know about who don't get anywhere the coverage she gets) but how many more clients will they ruin or try too? 

 
Jayrod said:
As much as I dislike LeBron, I have to give him some credit.

He has passed Dirk to move into #3 all time in minutes played.  In an era where guys sit out constantly for minor issues, he has been an absolute rock.  He is finally showing some signs of slowing, but if he plays 2 more seasons at 31 mpg, he'll pass Karl Malone next season and Kareem the season after that.
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Easier to stay healthy in a league thats not as physical as the one Malone played in though. Medical advancements also help. However Lebron is showing signs of wear and tear now and some decline these days. Lakers are definitely his last team IMHO but I can see him gutting it out for that record. 

 
MAC_32 said:
I haven't watched any of the 11-36 Pistons, but I'm confident betting against that. 
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the 11-36 has nothing to do with it.  he had a rough start, but over the past month or so, he really has shown a lot of the promise that every hoped for him.

if Mobley is able to keep up his play, he will probably win, deservingly but also partly because of the narrative.  but at this point, Cade is very close in terms of his play

 
Long Ball Larry said:
the 11-36 has nothing to do with it.  he had a rough start, but over the past month or so, he really has shown a lot of the promise that every hoped for him.

if Mobley is able to keep up his play, he will probably win, deservingly but also partly because of the narrative.  but at this point, Cade is very close in terms of his play
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I probably can't be convinced anyone but Mobley deserves it. 

 
Judge Smails said:
The NBA is in trouble.  Terrible product.  I'm boycotting any games live until they fix it.  Enough players miss because of COVID.  Kyrie Irving is the ultimate joke.  But until they fix this load management once and for all it will continue to spiral.  In no other sport that I know of do players sit games when healthy.  Maybe a starting catcher on a 12 straight night homestand may miss once.  That's it.  It is such BS.  If the divas don't want to play every other night go to 3 games a week max.  And then have carrots/sticks in either collective bargaining or their individual contracts that is tied to games/minutes played.  Like innings pitched in baseball.  It's obvious nobody cares about the regular season.  So just shorten it.

Didn't Wilt Chamberlain play every minute during a season? I mean - c'mon.  What a rip off.  Silver needs to earn his money.
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it's cray how far it has fallen over the last 10 years. watching the Sixers game and the Sixers are up 10, and all they have talked about for the last 30 minutes is Anthony Davis vs Embiid. it is like they almost don't even know that there are 8 other players on the court, actually doing things. 

it is hard to see how it will ever come back, but it is also too big to just fail. Look at any NBA media and it is literally 95% proposed trades or simply focused on end game stats. Literally zero analysis of the game at this point, and it is so individually egocentric, it is just gross. 

 
Kev4029 said:
About the most nonsensical choice ever. I love it.
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There are brand name players ahead of him who are injured, but he's having a very good season.

Pre Warriors, Wiggins was a compiler.  He could give you volume scoring but close to nothing else and was the worst combination of low motor/ball stopper/poor shot selection/poor situational awareness.

Now he's averaging 19 points a game and 7 rebounds a game and shooting over 40 percent behind the arc. He's established himself as the teams primary wing defender who covers the best offensive player on the other side regularly and he's doing a great job moving off the ball.

Wiggins is showing discipline on when and where to create his own shot. Smarter more practical offensive play and better conditioning means he can operate as a true two way player. There's a reason Melo never played defense, well apart from being an idiot, he would jab step himself into exhaustion going one on three and taking a horrible shot while freezing out his teammates who silently despised him.

What the Warriors are doing isn't rocket science. They are often wearing teams out in the first half with their relentless off ball movement. Then in the third quarter they start to hammer down on teams. Not so much recently as they have been reintegrating Klay Thompson and Curry is in some kind of shooting slump.

The ability and willingness to work relentlessly off the ball can turn a team from night to day. Look at the Knicks. Last year Julius Randle was invested and was pushing 300 percent. Now he's just loafing around and taking bad shots and showing a lazy arrogant childish attitude.

When a player shows a low motor, you should never trust them. Same reason why Kevin Knox will always be a POS player and same reason why Melo should never win a ring and same reason why the Warriors shouldn't trust Wiggins completely. Milk his value for one more season and and then sign and trade him if they can.

Sports fans truly misunderstand the wisdom of Bell Biv Devoe - Never trust a big butt and a smile.

 
modogg said:
it's cray how far it has fallen over the last 10 years. watching the Sixers game and the Sixers are up 10, and all they have talked about for the last 30 minutes is Anthony Davis vs Embiid. it is like they almost don't even know that there are 8 other players on the court, actually doing things. 

it is hard to see how it will ever come back, but it is also too big to just fail. Look at any NBA media and it is literally 95% proposed trades or simply focused on end game stats. Literally zero analysis of the game at this point, and it is so individually egocentric, it is just gross. 
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I blame it on a lot of things. First and foremost the amount of power and say players have on where they play and getting their way. Next you have incompetent GMs and owners making terrible moves. The whole tanking situation by teams doesn't help as that just enables better teams to rest star players knowing they can beat you without those guys and provide them with rest for more important games. SO fans are gonna tune those games out. The media is 100% on Lebron or others players causing drama like Kyrie/Harden/Simmons etc. Most of the commentators won't talk about other players besides the stars. What I like about CHi's announce team is they will talk about all the players on both teams even the extra guy on the bench. Adam Amin does a great job starting Stacey King on X player who's been doing well for either CHI or another team and King goes on for a few minutes why they've had success in his opinion. Nationally you just don't get that anymore. 

Then you have the young fans who just want to know about star players and just want to see their highlights. This younger generation grew up with the super teams. That's a problem and that only allows them to focus on the stars of the team. 

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Andrew Wiggins is starting in the all star game.
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I watched the whole game last night (thanks to sports betting becoming legal here!). Hes such an afterthought on that team. They dont design plays for him. Hes JAG. What a joke.

 
dawgtrails said:
:lmao:   :lmao:

Two sources familiar with talks said at least one offer from the Sixers was Simmons and Harris for John Collins, Bogdan Bogdanovic, and three first-round picks.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-rumors-intel-76ers-hawks-ben-simmons-james-harden-john-collins-deadline-2022
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I don't get why the Hawks traded Reddish instead of holding him as a piece for a potential Simmons deal, especially if a third team was needed.  The fact that they traded him to the Knicks, probably means they are out of the Simmons game.

 
Frostillicus said:
NBA TV Ratings at an all-time high. 
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Not sure why because outside of watching a Bulls game I can barely get into the games anymore. Couldn't tell you the last time I sat down and watched a whole NBA finals series. I wanna say maybe the Warriors/Raptors when Kwahi was in Tor was the last. 

 
dawgtrails said:
:lmao:   :lmao:

Two sources familiar with talks said at least one offer from the Sixers was Simmons and Harris for John Collins, Bogdan Bogdanovic, and three first-round picks.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-rumors-intel-76ers-hawks-ben-simmons-james-harden-john-collins-deadline-2022
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I can't say for certain that Simmons is a better player than Collins. I think it's probably the case, but there is an argument for Collins. If the sixers were looking to straight dump Harris, I bet they would need to throw in a first rounder. This is a trade you would find on a sixers forum.

 
If true is that at least a 1st rounder for in season tampering?

REPORT: NBA executives are prepared to ask league to look into potential tampering and collusion between James Harden and Sixers owner. (via @ChrisBHaynes,

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I don't get why the Hawks traded Reddish instead of holding him as a piece for a potential Simmons deal, especially if a third team was needed.  The fact that they traded him to the Knicks, probably means they are out of the Simmons game.
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Vincent Goodwill said apparently the Sixers made an offer for Harden that involved Maxey and Simmons. Really dumb by the sixers if that's true. 

 
As many are apparently aware there was a confrontation between Melo and a supporter for the 76ers. This is what the fan yelled at Melo and he was also making references to trump and other alternate right wing stuff according to a buddy of mine who was there last night and was in the next section over close to this. Numerous fans were telling the guy to shut up and he almost started a few fights with other fans. Honestly what was said if I was security I would've just let Melo wail on this clown. Maybe if we let athletes have free shots on people like this, clowns like this guy would think twice. 

@ChrisBHaynes

Sixers fan that was ejected for taunting Los Angeles Lakers star Carmelo Anthony kept calling him a “boy” and yelling “get in the corner boy” and “keeping shooting boy,” league sources tell @YahooSports

As for an update just 15 mins ago. I'd like to see fans get life time ban for these things though as well as criminal charges. 

@ChrisBHaynes

Philadelphia 76ers spokesperson confirmed to

@YahooSports

that following investigation, fan who made disparaging remarks toward Carmelo Anthony is banned indefinitely from all future Sixers games and events at Wells Fargo Center. Second fan suspended for remainder of season.

 
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Kev4029 said:
I can't say for certain that Simmons is a better player than Collins. I think it's probably the case, but there is an argument for Collins. If the sixers were looking to straight dump Harris, I bet they would need to throw in a first rounder. This is a trade you would find on a sixers forum.
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I've seen worse on a Sixers forum.

 
modogg said:
it's cray how far it has fallen over the last 10 years. watching the Sixers game and the Sixers are up 10, and all they have talked about for the last 30 minutes is Anthony Davis vs Embiid. it is like they almost don't even know that there are 8 other players on the court, actually doing things. 

it is hard to see how it will ever come back, but it is also too big to just fail. Look at any NBA media and it is literally 95% proposed trades or simply focused on end game stats. Literally zero analysis of the game at this point, and it is so individually egocentric, it is just gross. 
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I mean I could go further into it examples wise and detail it more but that's an issue. Then you have the whole Donaghey situation from yrs ago so you always have those conspiracy theories as well. The problem with that is most are gonna blow a guy like TD off. If you watch some of the YouTube videos he's done and explains how the league would fix a game logistically what is explained isn't far fetched. Certain named officials being involved, etc etc. However no one wants to listen to the guy who got caught thinking because they think he's just trying to not be accountable. At the same time you have people flat out denying something like this could be bigger. David Stern and the league didn't help themselves either because they tried to move past that whole situation as fast as possible and sweep it under the rug. Similar to how Roger and the NFL dealt with the Patriots. 

Then when you have an owner like Mark Cuban making comments how he had a private investigation into the officiating of the NBA finals his team lost and that the PI's came away with enough evidence to say something fishy was definitely going on, well that doesn't help matters either. 

Overall there's a lot of stuff the NBA itself could do better as well as the media could do. One of the biggest things the league could do is have better parity between teams because right now the best teams and the teams who are playoff competitive are far from a fair match up. Whens the last time you saw an underdog team win the NBA title? 

 
Ashame Lilbrony couldn’t show up to battle with Ish Smith. On second thought maybe that’s why he took the night off.  

 
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DJackson10 said:
If true is that at least a 1st rounder for in season tampering?

REPORT: NBA executives are prepared to ask league to look into potential tampering and collusion between James Harden and Sixers owner. (via @ChrisBHaynes,
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It might be a WHOLE lot bigger than that. If there is a paper trail between the owner and Harden I think it'll be the biggest punishment ever for a team. Here are the general outlines for what the NBA could do from Coon's Salary Cap FAQ:

  • Fines up to $10 million
  • Forfeiture of draft picks
  • Suspension of team executives
  • Voiding of player contracts
I would bet on a full $10million fine, multiple first round picks, and a long long suspension for whoever is involved from the team side. 

It's one thing to have a contract agreement in place to sign at the opening of the trade deadline, but trying to convince a player under contract in the middle of the season to come to your team in the offseason is way out of the gray area of tampering or collusion.

 
Kev4029 said:
It might be a WHOLE lot bigger than that. If there is a paper trail between the owner and Harden I think it'll be the biggest punishment ever for a team. Here are the general outlines for what the NBA could do from Coon's Salary Cap FAQ:

  • Fines up to $10 million
  • Forfeiture of draft picks
  • Suspension of team executives
  • Voiding of player contracts
I would bet on a full $10million fine, multiple first round picks, and a long long suspension for whoever is involved from the team side. 

It's one thing to have a contract agreement in place to sign at the opening of the trade deadline, but trying to convince a player under contract in the middle of the season to come to your team in the offseason is way out of the gray area of tampering or collusion.
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yeah I wouldn't be surprised if more of this does happen but something doesn't smell right with this whole situation. I'm wondering if the Sixers broke any tampering protocol if possible Nets have with Paul and Simmons as well. 

 
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DJackson10 said:
As many are apparently aware there was a confrontation between Melo and a supporter for the 76ers. This is what the fan yelled at Melo and he was also making references to trump and other alternate right wing stuff according to a buddy of mine who was there last night and was in the next section over close to this. Numerous fans were telling the guy to shut up and he almost started a few fights with other fans. Honestly what was said if I was security I would've just let Melo wail on this clown. Maybe if we let athletes have free shots on people like this, clowns like this guy would think twice. 

@ChrisBHaynes

Sixers fan that was ejected for taunting Los Angeles Lakers star Carmelo Anthony kept calling him a “boy” and yelling “get in the corner boy” and “keeping shooting boy,” league sources tell @YahooSports

As for an update just 15 mins ago. I'd like to see fans get life time ban for these things though as well as criminal charges. 

@ChrisBHaynes

Philadelphia 76ers spokesperson confirmed to

@YahooSports

that following investigation, fan who made disparaging remarks toward Carmelo Anthony is banned indefinitely from all future Sixers games and events at Wells Fargo Center. Second fan suspended for remainder of season.
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Dude who was banned Indefinitely was a repeat offender at the arena as an FYI. I spoke to a buddy of mine who works with the Philly Police Department and is at games. The dude has had a few run ins with them. Not sure why they hadn't ban this guy for life yet bu this guy is apparently no stranger to the Well Fargo Security team. I didn't get specifics on run ins but was told he's been a problem in the past at games.

Edit: Just found out he's banned for life 

Edit 2: Dude has a reputation around town as well and not in a good way. Phillies and Citizens Bank Park as well as Lincoln Financial field have banned him from life following the investigation with the Sixers incident 

 
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DJackson10 said:
Not sure why because outside of watching a Bulls game I can barely get into the games anymore. Couldn't tell you the last time I sat down and watched a whole NBA finals series. I wanna say maybe the Warriors/Raptors when Kwahi was in Tor was the last. 
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Well do you think this is a you problem or an NBA problem?

 
Frostillicus said:
Except that the TV ratings are at an all time high.
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No one really cares about TV ratings anymore. it's something for networks to boast about but many streaming services have made TV ratings not as relevant. 

Most are only watching games do to sports betting becoming legal in most states and being popular. Take away the legal betting and I bet you see ratings drop big time. 

 
DJackson10 said:
No one really cares about TV ratings anymore. it's something for networks to boast about but many streaming services have made TV ratings not as relevant. 

Most are only watching games do to sports betting becoming legal in most states and being popular. Take away the legal betting and I bet you see ratings drop big time. 
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You have any proof to your claims?

 
Embiid takes the lead in MVP odds.  Pretty clear 4 man race, and the guy at the top keeps shifting around a lot.  Will be an exciting final stretch to see who wins it, but all 4 are pretty deserving.

 
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