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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (1 Viewer)
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Juxtatarot
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Marc Stein says the Bulls are interested in Poeltl. I’m a fan of his. I’m not sure why the Spurs would want to trade him. Bulls are overloaded with guards. Certainly Coby White is available although the Spurs should want more. Maybe removing protections on the pick they already owe them from the DeRozan sign-and-trade?Craig_MiamiFL said:To what depths will Bulls go to add a big
Really hope the Kings make some major moves, though I suspect they won’t. This fan base has been enormously and absurdly supportive of a crappy product for the better part of 40 years, but this year’s team has been the straw that broke the camel’s back. I’ve never see such poor attendance or fan apathy.
dunfee555
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As a Cavs fan, I'm mildly excited to get LeVert, but thought they probably gave up a bit too much for him. One of the 2nds they gave up is from Houston this year, so it's almost like another first. LeVert will provide some secondary ball-handling and scoring, but doesn't shoot all that well and is a negative on defense. Didn't expect them to make a big move (Beal, McCollum), so this is probably the best they could do without mortgaging the future. Just not sure it was worth it for a team this young.
Jayrod
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Yeah, it seemed like the trio of Heild, Fox & Haliburton were primed for a leap forward, but they are all down from last season. Plus watching just about everyone drafted after Marvin Bagley have great seasons and promising futures is just a gut punch I'd imagine.
Yeah, but bad personnel moves are nothing new. This squad just doesn’t play with any energy or heart. Haliburton has been a bright spot - would love to see them tear it down and build around him.
Frostillicus
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If he's a sixth man I like him a lot. I'd be nervous to insert a super high usage player into the starting lineup given what the Cavs have built this year. And note, I didn't say it would be a failure or that it was a bad trade or anything, I'd just be nervous.
MAC_32
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I don't think he was acquired with high usage intentions. Run the 2nd unit, take some off Garland's plate, pick n roll with Allen/Mobley/Love, etc. If he justifies more than that then roll with it, but I'd be surprised if it's expected.
Leeroy Jenkins
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There is something to the Harden rumors. The interesting thing I read is that he does not use an agent, and has not for quite some time. He has a business manager and uses the NBAPA counsel to explain CBA related things to them. He knows he will get the max contract extensions, so there is no negotiation -- he just has to pick which version is best so he needs to understand the options.
HOWEVER -- they did hire an agent (maybe even put out an RFP) when they were looking to get traded out of Houston. It appears that they again have been canvasing for agents. Now this could be for something immediate or in preparation for a summer sign-and-trade -- but he is looking for more than the NBAPA can offer on how his current contract or a sign-and-trade would impact him.
HOWEVER -- they did hire an agent (maybe even put out an RFP) when they were looking to get traded out of Houston. It appears that they again have been canvasing for agents. Now this could be for something immediate or in preparation for a summer sign-and-trade -- but he is looking for more than the NBAPA can offer on how his current contract or a sign-and-trade would impact him.
Nathan R. Jessep
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My Pels have quietly played themselves into playoff (errr, play-in) contention. 
I'm sure we'll find the most heartbreaking way to lose back out of contention, but who'd have thunk it, sans-Zion? Certainly not me, I admit. But this is a really fun team to watch. High energy. Jaxson Hayes is fun when he's firing on all cylinders (and not getting in trouble with the popo), and as much as I didn't want to get rid of Steven Adams last year, Valanciunas has definitely been an upgrade. That dude is a beast. And Willie Green seems to be a REALLY good coach. I don't know what's going to happen with Zion, but I'm pleased with the direction thus far.
I'm sure we'll find the most heartbreaking way to lose back out of contention, but who'd have thunk it, sans-Zion? Certainly not me, I admit. But this is a really fun team to watch. High energy. Jaxson Hayes is fun when he's firing on all cylinders (and not getting in trouble with the popo), and as much as I didn't want to get rid of Steven Adams last year, Valanciunas has definitely been an upgrade. That dude is a beast. And Willie Green seems to be a REALLY good coach. I don't know what's going to happen with Zion, but I'm pleased with the direction thus far. 
wikkidpissah
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Jax was much more lively last time i saw him play but JV was sidelined then. look fwd to watching the spacing with them on the floor together. i know JJJ couldnt do his thing in Memphis with the big guy on the floor but mebbe Green figured it outMy Pels have quietly played themselves into playoff (errr, play-in) contention.
Nathan R. Jessep
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Last couple of games Jax has been playing with much more confidence (on both ends of the floor) and it shows.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Bulls definitely need to add a big.
I just wouldn't pay much for one unless it's one that's gonna put you over the top (definitely don't think that's Poeltl). I'd rather be overloaded with guards. Probably me being stubborn, but I wouldn't give White for Poeltl. Can't use Poeltl at crunch time (even if the intent is to bring in as backup 5).
I was thinking more along the lines of Grant or maybe Sabonis/Turner........or just keep what you've got & grab Millsap from the Nets (who I think will likely be waived in time)
EDIT: Apparently the Bulls offered a future 1st for Poeltl and turned down. JMO That's a more than fair price.
EDIT2: John Collins is another. I don't think the Hawks will move him. The one they need to move is @Capella as he's overpaid and getting outplayed by Okongbongdongwu
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Instinctive
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1. I find that really interesting
2. NBPA - I used to get in trouble for this all the time, they're the National Basketball Players' Association no extra A. It always threw me off because it is NFLPA and MPBPA
the moops
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And they are in the 7 slot, which means they would host both play in games, which means Kyrie can't play in either of them
Juxtatarot
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Grant might be obtainable in a package containing Pat Williams. Apparently the Pistons were high on him in the draft. Bulls don’t want to trade him though which I can understand.
Does Millsap have anything left?
I don’t think the Bulls have the assets for the others without dipping into the core. I’m not sure about the fit either since the organization doesn’t seem to want traditional 4s.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Millsap: Probably not. Likely a bunch for DNP-CDs and perhaps can be useful for some 10-15minute games. I just don't view Poeltl as much more than a 15 MPG on the Bulls. At that point, I'd rather just take Millsap for free (or another big that becomes available) or even stick with Tony Bradley.
To me, I'm either going for the home run (probably something that involves moving Pat Williams) or grabbing a wire vet big that'll likely be out there after deadline. Poeltl for a 1 is fair.....I wouldn't deal a current rotation player for him. My mindset is 5s have a clearly diminished value league wide......and Poeltl simply isn't someone you can put out there end of games in playoffs with his atrocious foul shooting.
wikkidpissah
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- Poeltl aint goin nowhere - it took Pop 2 yrs to work him in (when EVERYbody else in the league knew he was ready to break out) and he aint giving him up.
- i like PWill but i'd trade him in a tice for Grant. if Jeremy's sound, he's the perfect guy to take Vuc's switches and they dont have a chance in the playoffs unless someone does.
ETA: speaking of playoffs, the Cavs need LeVert as a secondary usage guy, not as a spot shooter. if you only got Garland going to the hole, he'll get figured out in a best-of-7. they'll start halves w Okoro, finish with LeVert and let him raise some 2nd unit hell with the rotation of bigs
- i like PWill but i'd trade him in a tice for Grant. if Jeremy's sound, he's the perfect guy to take Vuc's switches and they dont have a chance in the playoffs unless someone does.
ETA: speaking of playoffs, the Cavs need LeVert as a secondary usage guy, not as a spot shooter. if you only got Garland going to the hole, he'll get figured out in a best-of-7. they'll start halves w Okoro, finish with LeVert and let him raise some 2nd unit hell with the rotation of bigs
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Juxtatarot
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I have mixed feelings about Grant. I agree with the positives you wrote. The concerns about Grant are 1) he left Denver for a bigger role but he’d be a 4th option on the Bulls. Can he deal? 2) Rumor has it that he wants a big extension from the team he gets traded to. Is he who the Bulls should spend so much money on? 3) Related: Bulls probably aren’t a contender this year with or without Grant. And he’s pretty much a known quantity. Maybe they should gamble on Williams’ upside?
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wikkidpissah
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THIS is the window. If Philly converts the Simmons value without losing Harris for next yr and gets Tyrese's second yr as a point, you aint beating them for a while. and Milwaukee aint figured out their playoff defense yet (and remember - Bud was a turrible coach until they won) without Brook Lopez.
trader jake
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LeVert strikes me as too much of a ball stopper to mesh well with Garland. I understand maybe the Cavs want him to lead a bench mob, but does that work for LeVert long-term (and contract wise)?
The best thing the Bucks have done is go for talent...talent + character. Too many GMs forget that second part or choose to ignore it when it suits their immediate need. One wild card is okay, good luck with more than that.
Not sure I feel that same way. The Pels have a GM in place that seems more likely to make win now moves to save his job while the franchise builds around an injured star. That seems like a bad combo. Like how they built around AD all over again.
Agreed on Capella vs Okongwu. Capella's a better player now and benefits from Trae's passing a lot, but he is what he is. Okongwu could be a mini-Adebayo.
I'm not a huge Williams fan, but there's no way I'd trade him for Grant. Grant's role expectations, salary, and upside/age v Williams make that a poor risk/reward gamble.
DJackson10
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Craig_MiamiFL said:To what depths will Bulls go to add a big
offered a future 1st for Jakob Poetl that the spurs denied
DJackson10
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I don't think trading for Harden solves a lot for them though. He's older and giving him the max will kill them in the long run. I understand 76ers wanting to get a star back for Simmons but I basically said like 2 yrs ago that was the time to trade Ben. Now no. one is bitting except maybe a team wanting to get rid of another team cancer like Harden. Just trade Simmons for a PG and other help you need at this point. I think Morey and the Org made their point they won't be held hostage by one players demands. if they are worried about backlash about what they get back I don't think that's an issue. At this point most of the rational fanbase just wants Ben off the team and get Joel some help.
dunfee555
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From what I've seen of LeVert, he can get a bit tunnel-visioned at times and stagnate the offense. But the Cavs desperately needed someone else that can create a shot and take some pressure off of Garland. LeVert made some strides this year as a pick-and-roll/pop ball handler and now has Allen, Mobley, Love and Markkanen to work with. And Garland is actually very good playing off the ball. Garland is an exceptional shooter and meshed really well with Rubio by coming off screens and spacing the floor. Considering the assets they gave up for him and his salary, I imagine he'll be starting once they feel comfortable that he understands the schemes. And though he's not a perfect fit (average shooter and defender), he's a reasonable one that is quite an upgrade from their other options. And LeVert is only under contract for one more year. So if it looks like it's not working out, they can let him hit free agency the same year that Love's contract comes off the books and have a bunch of cap space one more time before Mobley's extension kicks in.
Leeroy Jenkins
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Leeroy Jenkins
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CJ McCollum to Pelicans for Josh Hart and picks seems to be a thing.
Leeroy Jenkins
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So we now have elimintad from the Ben Simmons rumor mill:
McCollum
Ingram (looks like Pels playing to win now)
Levert
Kings Players.
Cavs Players.
Who is left to even trade Simmons for? Does the trade of McCollum mean Lillard is next? He isn't going to want to be a part of a rebuild and the championship window during his career just closed in Portland -- though he may not care.
McCollum
Ingram (looks like Pels playing to win now)
Levert
Kings Players.
Cavs Players.
Who is left to even trade Simmons for? Does the trade of McCollum mean Lillard is next? He isn't going to want to be a part of a rebuild and the championship window during his career just closed in Portland -- though he may not care.
Nathan R. Jessep
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WTH 
Nathan R. Jessep
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Woj reporting Josh Hart, Satoransky, Alexander-Walker (noooooooooooo), Louzada, a first and two seconds for McCollum, Nance, and Snell.
Jayrod
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Nathan R. Jessep
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I guess? I'm baffled by this tbh. Hart has been our spark in so many games. And they've been increasing NAW's minutes and he has been producing. I don't get it. I admit I'm only partially familiar with the guys we are getting. I really hate to see Hart and NAW go.
Juxtatarot
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It’s hard to picture a path forward for Lillard with the Blazers.
Leeroy Jenkins
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Yea. He is gone unless he just loves Portland, and wants to stay there. But he isn't winning a title as the main guy there now.
Leeroy Jenkins
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Although I just read that this clears major cap space for them. So perhaps they/Dame think they can recruit guys next season?
wikkidpissah
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whaddya mean?! now Pellies can trade Ingram for Harden and, when Zion gets back, have the chubbiest team in hoops. call em the Bellies....
i actually like the move
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Juxtatarot
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Leeroy Jenkins
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I don't think that is realistic.
But suddenly, what DOES seem realistic is any of Dame, Harden, or Beal for Simmons and Danny Green.
Frostillicus
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Sabonis, Lamb, Holiday and a 2nd to SAC for
Haliburton, Hield, and Tristan Thompson
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Haliburton, Hield, and Tristan Thompson
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Juxtatarot
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Maybe Pacers can flip Haliburton, Hield and picks (including the Cavs one) for Simmons.
Leeroy Jenkins
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At least there is a lot of action this season!
Craig_MiamiFL
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Guys come to Portland!
And I think it's time (well beyond time IMO) to stop saying Lillard's not been given talent to try to win there.....
Leeroy Jenkins
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Portland now trying to get Jerami Grant . . . .
I mean, it's only like the 3rd worst move they've made in the last 4 years. We're numb to it.
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