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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (1 Viewer)

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Leeroy Jenkins said:
I just keep coming back to this whole thing being moot if the Sixers would have just signed Butler instead of re-signing Simmons and adding Horford.  Had they signed Butler and Harris and then traded Simmons instead, man this is a different world.  
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Not to mention the Mikal Bridges/Zhaire Smith debacle as well.  ####

 
The Utah Jazz are acquiring guard Portland’s Nickeil Alexander-Walker and the Spurs’ Juancho Hernangomez in a three-way deal, sources tell ESPN. The Spurs gets guard Tomas Satoransky and a second-round pick, and the Blazers get Joe Ingles, Elijah Hughes and a second-round pick.

The Jazz are sending out the two second-round picks in the deal, sources tell ESPN.

 
Strange trade for Portland.  Seems they essentially give up NAW for a mid 2nd round pick?  Think I’d much rather have the young guard than whatever that 2nd gets you.  

 
if they are going to give away lillard i guess he can come to milwaukee take that to the bank brohans 

 
Juxtatarot said:
What do you think will happen with Lillard? 
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If I had to guess, I think they keep him and try to build around him with more defense.  Their roster construction was not only poorly built with short guards but the contracts were killing them.  So, clearing the deck for space to make one more shot at giving Dame a chance here in Portland. 

I don't know how they pull this off, but a lot of chatter bringing in Jerami Grant here, a friend of Lillards. I think they want to sign Anfernee Simons to a big deal and trading off CJ/Powell et al helps them there.  I think the team likes Josh Hart as a potential long term part, not sure what they are going to do with Nurk and to be frank, I think the bloom is off the rose here in Rose City, so I doubt they give him a new deal.

But they have to find a home run to pair with Dame and I don't think Portland has that ability in the Free Agent game.  They're acquiring draft picks - none of the remarkable; but I guess their better than nothing - and they are in full tank mode, so maybe there's an impact rookie that Dame can help bring up to speed in a hurry.  

They could trade him tomorrow and I wouldn't be surprised either.  I just don't know anymore.  Tickets for games are like 3 dollars.  Nobody cares.

 
SayWhat? said:
Strange trade for Portland.  Seems they essentially give up NAW for a mid 2nd round pick?  Think I’d much rather have the young guard than whatever that 2nd gets you.  
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Who are they creating cap space for to pair with Lillard?
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Just looked at Blazers 22-23 Spotrac. It's Dame & less than $20mil in salaries if Hart & Bledsoe are dropped. That creates space for 2 30-35% contracts if Lillard actually does have friends. If not, the next owner can decide, like GM say.

 
Got to think Holmes is getting shipped out in Sac. Could be nice pickup for someone  Sac prob wants to dump his long term deal and won't cost much to get.

 
I generally don't pay much attention to anything non-Cavs before May and understand what's transpiring in LA right now is at another level, but disengaged and grumpy were apt descriptions of the Cavs during LeBron's second go-around about February-ish each season and wow that is a horrible sentence. 

 
Any predictions for today? 
 

I’ll predict these players will NOT be traded: Simmons, Harden, Westbrook, Grant, Lillard, Dragic, Barnes

 
I doubt the Harden trade happens. 
Might be the kind of day that has Tobias moved instead of Simmons for Philly.  Would be stoked if they bring in anyone who can dribble at this point.  
Probably more odd moves by bad teams in bad cap spots
Only one thing is for sure, Windy is not ordering a salad for lunch. 

 
Sixers shouldn’t trade any more than they were willing to last year.  They can trade tobias or stretch him in the off-season and still get Harden. Or make another Simmons move potentially. Nets are just butthurt because they came over the top of the sixers last year and overpaid. Harden didn’t know how crazy Kyrie was ….

 
Going into next year I could certainly understand why the Nets would want someone other than Simmons in their big three with KD and Kyrie. Salary rules make it tricky but off-season usually allows for some possibilities.

 
Nets arent going to make a panic move and deal Harden for less than market value IMO - worst case they make a run and maybe he is happier once all 3 are back - if not then Id like to see him leave that much money on the table in FA.  If so then so be it.  As long as Brooklyn has KD they will be in the mix which is a long way from where they came,  

 
General Malaise said:
If I had to guess, I think they keep him and try to build around him with more defense.  Their roster construction was not only poorly built with short guards but the contracts were killing them.  So, clearing the deck for space to make one more shot at giving Dame a chance here in Portland. 

I don't know how they pull this off, but a lot of chatter bringing in Jerami Grant here, a friend of Lillards. I think they want to sign Anfernee Simons to a big deal and trading off CJ/Powell et al helps them there.  I think the team likes Josh Hart as a potential long term part, not sure what they are going to do with Nurk and to be frank, I think the bloom is off the rose here in Rose City, so I doubt they give him a new deal.

But they have to find a home run to pair with Dame and I don't think Portland has that ability in the Free Agent game.  They're acquiring draft picks - none of the remarkable; but I guess their better than nothing - and they are in full tank mode, so maybe there's an impact rookie that Dame can help bring up to speed in a hurry.  

They could trade him tomorrow and I wouldn't be surprised either.  I just don't know anymore.  Tickets for games are like 3 dollars.  Nobody cares.
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Portland is like Milwaukee.  You need to hit on a generational talent like Giannis in the draft and get super lucky on a guy like Middleton if you're ever gonna have a chance to win a title.  And even that isn't a guarantee (see OKC).  Once Giannis leaves (hopefully via retirement after a long career exclusively with the Bucks), I see Milwaukee fading right back into mediocrity...

 
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Juxtatarot said:
Any predictions for today?
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I predict the Bucks do nothing and instead focus on the buyout market.  I've heard rumors of them bringing back a couple of former Bucks in Eric Bledsoe and RoLo, both of whom would be good fits in the right roles.

I also predict that we'll eventually hear about George Hill being out for the rest of the year with his neck injury.

Finally, I predict that I'll be elated if the Bucks can get even a sack of potatoes for Semi Ojeleye.

 
gruecd said:
Once Giannis retires (hopefully from the Bucks), I see Milwaukee fading right back into mediocrity...
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Well, yeah, for sure.   Without a top-tier star, an NBA team isn't doing anything, regardless of city.

Basketball is just a different animal with stars compared to other sports.  Because there's only 5 players at any one time, having that 1 of the 5 that can dominate is so much more powerful than other team sports where all the other role players can make up that difference (Football, Baseball, Hockey).

Basketball is also the only team sport where that star player can be involved, or have impact, on every single play of the game.  And when you have a guy like Giannis who is dominant on both offense and defense, it's such a MAJOR advantage.   No NBA team could lose a generational talent like that and expect to not drop off.

 
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From Twitter:

If your team doesn't make any trades today, it's because the front office is terrible and you could totally do a better job.
 

:lmao:

 
gruecd said:
Portland is like Milwaukee.  You need to hit on a generational talent like Giannis in the draft and get super lucky on a guy like Middleton if you're ever gonna have a chance to win a title.  And even that isn't a guarantee (see OKC).  Once Giannis leaves (hopefully via retirement after a long career exclusively with the Bucks), I see Milwaukee fading right back into mediocrity...
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This is every team in the nba, except the Lakers. 

 
gruecd said:
Disagree.  Big-market teams that can attract top-tier free agents can always just re-load and get right back after it.
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Yea how bout that Knicks dynasty huh. 
 

Bulls have sure been good since Jordan. 
 

Clippers have had an incredible 30-year-run. 
 

The NBA is a get lucky league. The Spurs got lucky/drafted well with Duncan and are now back in the dumpster. The Bucks got lucky/drafted well with Giannis and should have a long run. But after that of course they’ll be back to bring a bottom tier team, unless they get another hit. 

 
Capella said:
Yea how bout that Knicks dynasty huh. 
 

Bulls have sure been good since Jordan. 
 

Clippers have had an incredible 30-year-run. 
 

The NBA is a get lucky league. The Spurs got lucky/drafted well with Duncan and are now back in the dumpster. The Bucks got lucky/drafted well with Giannis and should have a long run. But after that of course they’ll be back to bring a bottom tier team, unless they get another hit. 
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completely agree - very tough to rebuild from scratch in the NBA after a superstar retires/leaves - Lakers have had the best history over the years - but they definitely had luck over their many different runs - its a superstar driven league ala QB in the NFL.  You need at least one to be competitive...2 to be a legit championship contender.  

With my team there was the Jason Kidd era which was a blast then more than a decade of garbage until now.  

 
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Juxtatarot said:
Any predictions for today? 
 

I’ll predict these players will NOT be traded: Simmons, Harden, Westbrook, Grant, Lillard, Dragic, Barnes
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Best trade for Westbrook, if there is one, is with the Knicks. Brock Aller is going to want picks and more picks. The kind of picks the Lakers could give up is when LA could be in horrible shape and in a high lottery position.

NY wants to done with Julius Randle. A mental headcase who refuses to play hard. LBJ has a thing for overrated power forwards who can't defend the rim, so Randle should look like more fools gold to him. And maybe Evan Fournier. Which offers some 3 & D value ( I'm talking the most loose definition of 3 and D possible) Both Randle and Fournier only cost the Knicks open cap space, so some package of picks and Westbrook for a season isn't horrible.

Maybe Aller thinks Horton Tucker can be fixed and that could be part of it too.

The situation with Simmons and Harden is that the Nets want some picks back. That's the sticking point. Obviously Philly isn't going to send useful rotation guys back because the only reason to trade for Harden is to hope to make a championship run. The Nets burned out picks to get Harden and want to recoup some back.

If Dragic is bought out, people assume he will head to the Heat, but I have the inkling he was disturbed by them trading him, even if he says otherwise in public. For the veteran's minimum, I think he ends up with the Warriors and replaces Chris Chiozza on the roster.

For Lillard, the best thing that Portland can do is trade him to OKC for a boat load of picks. Then they can hire Sam Hinkie to be GM and let him work his magic. Trail Blazers just need to start over. Tough for their fans but too many bad moves for too long choked out Dame's practical window there. OKC can then decide how to best move him forward in a different trade later.

 
GordonGekko said:
If Dragic is bought out, people assume he will head to the Heat, but I have the inkling he was disturbed by them trading him, even if he says otherwise in public. For the veteran's minimum, I think he ends up with the Warriors and replaces Chris Chiozza on the roster.
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Heat can’t sign a player they traded away until after the season. 
 

If Dragic is bought out, he’ll likely go to Dallas.

 
Bagley to Pistons

Ibaka to Bucks

Rod Hood and semi ojele to clips

Josh Jackson Trey Lyle's and Donte Dincinzisisototifizo to Kings

 
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ESPN Sources: 
Full trade participants: 
Kings: Donte DiVincenzo, Trey Lyles and Josh Jackson.
Bucks: Serge Ibaka, two future second-round picks, cash. 
Clippers: Rodney Hood, Semi Ojele. 
Pistons: Marvin Bagley Jr.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Fantastic trade for Toronto. Dragic will get bought out, I assume.
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ESPN Sources: The Spurs -- who are trading for Toronto's Goran Dragic -- are expected to negotiate a contract buyout with Dragic. Among the interested expected to be interested once he becomes a free agent: Dallas, Milwaukee, Chicago, Clippers.

 
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