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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (3 Viewers)
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Leeroy Jenkins
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When Jimmy Butler wanted out of Minnesota, he took the third-string and destroyed the starters in games. Then yelled "you ####### need me!!" to the owner.
Ben Simmons pouts. Won't do a defensive drill. Drops the ball and walks away.
Sixers chose poorly a few years ago.
Ben Simmons pouts. Won't do a defensive drill. Drops the ball and walks away.
Sixers chose poorly a few years ago.
wikkidpissah
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this is half unfair. until i sensed that he was personally devolving as a basketball player, every FFA hoops fan knows that i thought Simmons could be the best baller in the land. Magic Johnson & Bill Russell are the only players i've seen in sixty years as a fan with better two-way court vision. Add that he's a 6'10 guy with a handle and almost anyone would have chosen his future over almost anyone (Embiid Included) else's present or prospects. my guess is that i would have picked up the deadly cues much earlier than most, but the Sixer org handicapped themselves further by having a whiteboard guy with paltry people skills like Brett Brown having to conjugate complicated talents into performance.
trader jake
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This is the natural response to players like Anthony Davis and James Harden (and others) forcing their way out of situations they didn't like. It was bound to happen sooner or later. As will eventual changes to contracts, FA rules, etc in the next few years. The team governors won't continue to bleed away all their leverage in these situations.Does this ever start getting to Lebron as the klutch guy? Everyone looking like ahere, will that agency lose power when he eventually retires someday.
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Dame says he is staying in Portland even if they start poorly.
Frostillicus
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From Shams’s article in the Athletic:
“People present at the scene say Simmons has simply come and gone inside the 76ers’ Camden, N.J., facility since returning to practice Sunday. He enters the facility and ignores most 76ers staffers. For instance, when the 76ers’ security official greeted Simmons on Sunday, the three-time All-Star just walked right by him.”
classy!
“People present at the scene say Simmons has simply come and gone inside the 76ers’ Camden, N.J., facility since returning to practice Sunday. He enters the facility and ignores most 76ers staffers. For instance, when the 76ers’ security official greeted Simmons on Sunday, the three-time All-Star just walked right by him.”
classy!
BoltBacker
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But that was a situation where the team wanted to trade the player, as an assurance he doesn't get injured before getting traded. At least at the moment the Sixers are pretending that they don't want(need?) to trade the player. There is no immanent trade if you believe how PHI is playing this.
bushdocda
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I figured they’d not play him but pay him as he wouldn’t effort on the court and it would risk injury or hurt the eventual trade for Philly. Now he’s doing stuff so they aren’t paying him or playing him so he’s not doing this right. Doubt a ‘win now if you squint really hard’ type trade for Love, Osman, Sexton and a pick does it so it’s probably more of this until trade deadline. Don’t think a Warriors deal is ‘win now’ enough for Philly.
The next reason to not pay and or play him will be funny.
The next reason to not pay and or play him will be funny.
GroveDiesel
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I feel like whatever the Ben Simmons trade ends up being, both teams will end up losers.
Juxtatarot
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What do you think Simmons' value is right now? What do you think it will be in the near future when they aren't "folding"?
DJackson10
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Don't feel like reading everything but reports are what he did any of the other Head coaches in the NBA would've kicked him out. At this point I hope no team tries and takes him. Let this clown sit at home and ruin his life as a NBA player and see how Paul's other clients react to this. I don't even feel sorry for the 76ers and it's not because of them tanking or how they did it. It's the simple fact Ben's behavior was enabled by both Paul and the 76ers from day 1. Coddled every waking minute up to game 7 last year despite the team knowing his issues in college and scouting reports. The 76ers bent over backwards cheeks spread and took it hard without lube and no courtesy of a reach around. Ben and the 76ers have both handled this incredible the wrong way. They reap what they sow in this.
The good thing is now everyone sees what happens when you keep enabling the behavior of entitled brats in this league. And everyone sees what a fraud Ben is now
Also the 76ers players currently on the team need to be called out. As a professional I don't know how any of them don't come out and say this guy quit on us and we don't want him back. I know if I was on a team and the organization and some players tried to get someone like Ben on the team back I'd first go up to the bosses and ask them to kindly rencosider it because if not I will have to consider my own future which doesn't have being in your organization involved in it. It just shows what today's players are like. IT, Bird, Magic wouldn't have put up with this. Hell MJ and Kobe would've destroyed this clown and he'd have quit the game entirely by now. Todays players are more concerned about being buddy buddy then actually winning.
Hopefully this does another thing and gets some rewrites into the next CBA and the owners get more of the power back because it's obvious the power the players have today is not good for the game.
DJackson10
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Come on Joel tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back. It's your opportunity to become a Philly legend.
One point I want to make out here is Joel was entitled and immature just like Ben when he entered the league. However I think at this point Joel has found ways to show off a fun side while being more professional. I've always like Joel as a player and skill set he brings. I just didn't care for a lot of the entitlement and enabling the 76ers did with him early on. However to bring this back to Ben, he could learn a thing or two from Joel on growing up. Now I don't know if Joel or the Organization ever tried to help Simmons in this regard by maybe Shadowing Embiid or him being a mentor but it would've been something Id have done a long time ago. You can't do it now obviously.
DJackson10
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Juxtatarot said:
Ben had like max value (not that if I was a GM I would've done it) about 3-4 yrs ago. Should've traded him then. I think Harden is incredible overrated but the fact that Morey said no to HOU on Harden for Simmons looks like the best deal the 76ers could've gotten in the last year now which says something. Ben/Joel Combo was never gonna work and when it came time to decide Butler or Simmons they chose the wrong path but it sounds like Butler had clear intentions of not resigning with the 76ers either. At least 3 yrs ago the 76ers could've really fleeced someone in a Ben Simmons trade and who knows what would be happening now for them.
DJackson10
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
I think he's talking about Ben Simmons overall the last few yrs. Sixers could've gotten good value had they traded him not even 2 yrs ago when I was saying Ben's value is going to bottom out soon and will sink and the 76ers need to pass him off fast before the league figures him out and realize he's not that great. The 76ers were as stubborn in the Ben/Joel combo wanting it to work as they were almost 2 decades ago when they didn't trade AI sooner when it was very apparent they had to trade him. They waited too late to trade him and got a bunch of bums back in a deal. Andre Miller was a decent player who looked great on pretty below avg 76ers teams making it into the playoffs because of how weak the conference was overall then. From day 1 they'd handled Ben Simmons the wrong way.
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I have a hard time digesting that a 25 year old young man with a 150 million dollar contract and world by the balls could be so unhappy playing a sport he grew up loving.
I grew up playing football, hockey and baseball. I thought if I could just make the show in any of them at minimum salary I would love it!
The last 4-5 guys on the bench have to bust it to stay in the game. Simmons seems like he does not care.
I grew up playing football, hockey and baseball. I thought if I could just make the show in any of them at minimum salary I would love it!
The last 4-5 guys on the bench have to bust it to stay in the game. Simmons seems like he does not care.
DJackson10
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wikkidpissah said:
People on the spectrum don't act out like this though. THere's pro athletes maybe not as popular as Ben who have it and there's been speculations for years Lionel Messi the best Soccer player in the world is Autistic but him and family for some reason don't want to publicly say so. Moreover a lot of us can act differently in settings such as speaking to the press might be awkward at first but once everyone is on the same page with that its a lot easier.
For example Surfer Clay Marzo has Aspergers and he lost a ton of sponsorships because he was awkward and didn't do a lot of public stuff needed to keep sponsorships. Many dropped him. Clay still surfs on the circuit today but the press now knowing he is autistic have done a lot to make sure Clay feels a lot more comfortable doing interviews, his main sponsor and manager make sure everything is good for public appearances he needs to be at etc. Autism shouldn't be used as an excuse with Ben if he has it and many on the spectrum would be embarrassed at this point if he came out and tried to use this as an excuse.
Juxtatarot
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Simmons for Hield and Bagley seems perfect.
BoltBacker
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And don't forget the Barkley deal. They waited so long they ended up getting Hornacek, Lang, and Perry in return. This was even worse because they hadn't made much noise in the playoffs since 84'/85' when Moses was still the leader of the team.
At least the roster last year entered the playoffs as the #1 seed in the east. I think it was much more likely going into last season that Simmons would develop a 16' jump shot than the last several months would have unfolded like they have. Nobody could have seen all of this coming. Parts, maybe. But generally you don't see well payed guys on a #1 seed turn completely toxic. If they keep this going until December I'll be surprised if they even have home court advantage in any round of the playoffs. It's addition by subtraction even if they just get picks at this point.
DJackson10
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The 76ers could've nipped this in the bud year 1. It all goes back to my 76ers game story where I was at a game right before all star break when Colagelo took over the team. 76ers staffer was talking to a fan and I heard a lot of interesting stuff. What I ended up getting out of the whole thing was no one in that organization knows what they were doing and apparently still doesn't and besides tanking and hoping to acquired All star talent there was no plan b. Also I heard many star players were not willing to come to Philly and Colangelo decided he had to trade for a star and hope to sign him long term for the team to have any chance to be big players in FA. When JC was fired Brand continued on that track (Butler Trade). I still say today the 76ers not having Butler resign was a thing of bad things to come.
Going back to how this revolves Ben well the 76ers knowing no stars would come here enabled their star young players (Embiid and Simmons). Lucky for the 76ers Joel like I stated above a few posts ago has matured a lot better and I've always liked his skill set. Ben on the other hand never has and the team absolutely allowed his behavior to continue. The 76ers year 1 could've done better. A give and take scenario where the 76ers asked Ben to do something for them but they'd being lenient on something else and vice versa. Work together. 76ers didn't do that at all. It's why they got a players coach in Doc Rivers and Brown was fired. Brown was too "hard on the star players" type coach where Doc players have come out and said he lets guys walk all over him. The Doc today doesn't seem like that guy. I don't know if he's trying to change the perspective the league has of him or if this was he was put up against a rock and a hard place and had no choice but to grow a pair finally.
BoltBacker
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That almost sounds like too much at this point imo.
I remember when Artest started acting..... "different". And there was a sense that you never really knew what was going to happen next with that guy. It just kind of feels the same way for Simmons and, oh yeah, you're still on the hook for a guaranteed $150M. I think his play on the courts is better than most people seem to think it is, but Ron Artest was amazing early in his career as well.
Would it really shock anyone if Simmons suddenly started having mysterious injuries and never got back to the level of play that he was being criticized for? He just seems over it and doesn't even care what people think. With the contracts in the NBA... can anyone PROVE that he doesn't have back soreness for YEARS?
DJackson10
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Money doesn't buy everything. Knowing a few in NFL who are retired, currently in a job of coaching or playing and knowing a retired hockey guy in John LeClair you can lose the love. It takes a toll physically and mentally on you especially if you aren't playing, struggling, injury rehab etc. Different people giving you their opinion on what or how you should do things etc. It's pretty simple to not like it.
The way I've had it told to me is this: "The first few yrs if you are lucky to play consistently mins, snaps, innings, etc you love it. You feel like that kid you were imagining how this would happen again. Then you hit the wall and how you deal with it can determine if you end up making a career out of doing what you love or not. Some guys see the $$$ and forget where they come from and they change (I feel like thats what happened to Jimmy Butler a little after the Bulls gave him his huge deal), then others will take a lesser deal because they like where they are and want to help a team etc."
Another thing I've heard is a lot of the retired guys hate the newer players "putting on a show" just to get on Sportscenter top 10 and the showboating. As well as the fact owners, GMs and coaches enable unprofessional immature behavior of guys publicly more. Take Ben Simmons for example. I already said the difference between Ben playing now and during the Jordan or Even Kobe eras are.
It's simple for us to say I don't know how he could not love doing this. But until you do it yourself or know people who have been involved you don't understand the real struggles
DJackson10
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Disagree the Seeds have been planted there of major red flags since college. People many decided to completely ignore them. I mean it was common knowledge amongst many scouts that Team Australia guys weren't big fans of Simmons since the Under teams. That is a red flag and considering Brett Brown coached in Australia that should've been him saying "Hold up guys lets think about how we do this and maybe we shouldn't draft ben" Maybe if Ben was in a better run organization like say San Antonio and the Spurs had drafted him perhaps you don't see the behavior the 76ers have now. But the 76ers were so desperate on proving their strategy works they kind of became ignorant to the red flags.
Major
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I might agree but Hield and Bagley are also malcontents in their own right. If the Kings and Sixers want to swap problems, at least the Kings are getting the best player in the deal.
Frostillicus
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Frostillicus
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Bjelica is on Golden State, apparently.
Frostillicus
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Any gamblers out there should jump on Minnesota over 35 wins. They're going to get to 42-47 range.
Encyclopedia Brown
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Insein
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Frostillicus
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https://theathletic.com/2898032/2021/10/19/the-subtle-strength-of-anthony-edwards/
He's going to win like, 3 MVPs.
He's going to win like, 3 MVPs.
gruecd
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Defending champs Milwaukee with a convincing win against the "title favorites." 
And yes, I know they didn't have Kyrie, but the Bucks were also playing without Donte and Bobby, and Jrue missed the entire second half with a bruised heel. This squad is criminally underrated. I heard some national sports talk guy today asking if callers would rather take the Lakers, the Nets, or the field. The defending champs are just lumped in with "the field!"
As @Pipes pointed out, it looks like Nwora will have a role this year as a scorer with the second unit. Great game by Planet Pat, too, with 20 points on 8/13 shooting (4/9 from deep), including a couple of big 2-handed dunks.
Oh, and a quiet 32-14-7 line from Giannis in 30 minutes.
And yes, I know they didn't have Kyrie, but the Bucks were also playing without Donte and Bobby, and Jrue missed the entire second half with a bruised heel. This squad is criminally underrated. I heard some national sports talk guy today asking if callers would rather take the Lakers, the Nets, or the field. The defending champs are just lumped in with "the field!"
As @Pipes pointed out, it looks like Nwora will have a role this year as a scorer with the second unit. Great game by Planet Pat, too, with 20 points on 8/13 shooting (4/9 from deep), including a couple of big 2-handed dunks.
Oh, and a quiet 32-14-7 line from Giannis in 30 minutes.
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trader jake
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Westbrook fit right in with the Lakers. 
At least as well as most people that know the NBA thought he would.
LA will win a lot of games this season, but bringing in Westbrook just kills this team in all the areas they need to improve to maximize LeBron and AD. His energy will help in some random regular season games, but that's about it.
At least as well as most people that know the NBA thought he would.LA will win a lot of games this season, but bringing in Westbrook just kills this team in all the areas they need to improve to maximize LeBron and AD. His energy will help in some random regular season games, but that's about it.
Charlie Harper
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Waaaaaaaaarrriors!
Deamon
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CletiusMaximus
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Had a fun night at the Fiserv last night for the Bucks ring ceremony and opening night. The team has the Champions’ swagger and the atmosphere was fantastic. It’s always nice to walk out into the Deer District after a game and get gobsmacked by that thick cloud of sweet pot smoke that hangs in the air during every gamenight.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Yep! It's a fun league with a lot of knowledgeable people who stay active. Would love for it to grow back out to at least 16 teams.
For anyone interested let us know for next year.
strykerpks
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Bucks rings are 
mr. furley
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Curry with his first triple double since 2016
i guess they matter again??
i guess they matter again??
modogg
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his value now is lower than it was a few months ago. i think i the near future, it is just as similar to the stock market. if they don't fold, then Ben literally begins to start wasting away his career. him and Rich Paul already folded once by coming back to Philly to join the team after they said they wouldn't, and i think hold to see how the season pans out. no reason to not think another team in the league will come out of the gate performing under expectations, and may more likely give more at that time.
but no reason to sell at all time low. it isn't like if the Sixers pull a trade now and get back some of the rumored packages they will be significantly better or all of a sudden be championship contenders. if they make a trade for like Brogden or any of the other rumors, they may win an additional 5-6 games. no thanks
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