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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (1 Viewer)

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You know every team has a 96 ounce souvenir cup of soda with a player on it at their arena? The Magic’s had Robin Lopez tonight. Down the side of the cup in all caps it said 

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With an action shot of him attacking the hoop that was definitely not taken in a game. 
 

That killed me. 

 
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You know every team has a 96 ounce souvenir cup of soda with a player on it at their arena? The Magic’s had Robin Lopez tonight. Down the side of the cup in all caps it said 

L

O

P

E

Z

With an action shot of him attacking the hoop that was definitely not taken in a game. 
 

That killed me. 
I hope you kept one. 

 
After listening to sixers fans pretty much guarantee a title getting big names after tanking I think this is a bit a karma here. Sorry your teams tank job didn't work and your ownership is inept at handling the issues involving the team. There clearly was never a plan b here and they pulled the wool over peoples eyes and they drank the kool aid.  I was a called a hater, jealous etc for what the 76ers were doing even when I called the Sixers would regret drafting Simmons. So I'm not sorry if I piss off a few sixers fans along the way in my enjoyment of the Sixers failures. 

Did I say the Sixers play well? Sure I did. I also made an observation on the team the game etc. Did the 76ers have a good shooting night? Yes they did. I've observed over the last few yrs they seem to rely too much of their 3 game which has gotten them in trouble before. I also made the Observation that Vucevic (Who I even liked on the 76ers before the dumb Bynum trade) had a poor go of it that night and my team didn't shoot well. Also an observation.  Sorry If I'm not glad handing the team but I'm making an observation on the game I saw. 

Also why I didn't comment? If you saw my above post to the Ben tweet you quoted you'd have seen I was at the game that night. I made a quick post to update something when coming home as I was out with a female friend for the game. I came home late and had work early. Until I got home I had almost no other chance to comment on the game. 

My Comment on Mo was more of the fact that I think it's hypocritical for you and other 76ers fans to complain about me complaining about the 76ers when you guys were perfectly fine with Mo and others doing the same for the Celtics. I don't think I once called him out on it either other then a simple chill out on a overreaction he had awhile back because of a certain call or something. However I haven't repeatedly come into the thread making back hand comments on the guy like has been done to me. So I'm calling out the hypocrisy here more then anything similar to 76ers fans who defended the team tanking who complained about the Penguins and nationals tanking years back. 

Ben is also a big NBA story. I'd be posting if it were anyone else too what's going on or if he was on another team. I've always thought he was fraud so no matter who had I'd have posted. Other then Leoroy it's kind of ironic how no other Sixers fan even wants to post updates on the Ben Simmons situation. You and others are more then welcomed to post whats going on with your team. 
no one reads this stuff... you know that right?

 
I simple view Russ as an incredible overrated player who's just another regular season stat padder whos style of play and ego will not allow him to win a title. 


RWB is a low BBIQ player. You can be a superstar with a low BBIQ, but the problem is you are reliant on your ability to take over a quarter or a game or several games in a row. This starts to disappear once you get older and once you start racking up some injuries.

Evan Mobley is a high BBIQ player. Mobley has shown more situational awareness and good decision making in a few games than sadly RWB has his entire career. But to be fair, RWB was once a truly great player. An incredibly hard worker and tends to avoid most of the drama possible.

Your litmus in the modern NBA is how far you drift from being a league average 3 And D wing.

RWB is certainly physically talented enough ( or was) to be a much better defender. And many other players have shown you can develop a valuable 3 point shooting baseline ability, even later in one's career.

He didn't evolve. And his play style suited an older era in the NBA.

 
is Westbrook though? Pretty well recognized for his philanthropic efforts and community service wherever he's been. 
only a sociopath would block a mascots half court shot and deny an entire arena full of people a zesty round of free qdoba queso nachos but i guess its nice that he tries to buy his way out of that eternal karma stain take that to the bank brohans 

 
So do players just not post up at all anymore? Mo Bamba was like literally 3 inches bigger than any Spurs player and the ball didn’t even go into the post once. Does he even know how to do it? All he did was wing 3s up and roll to the hoop on a pick and roll and watched the ball sail over his head. Infuriating to watch. 

 
I mean I know how the game is now but the Magic were 12-41 from 3. Why didn’t they just go get some buckets? 

 
So do players just not post up at all anymore? Mo Bamba was like literally 3 inches bigger than any Spurs player and the ball didn’t even go into the post once. Does he even know how to do it? All he did was wing 3s up and roll to the hoop on a pick and roll and watched the ball sail over his head. Infuriating to watch. 
Towns has a lot of faults but he's very good in the post. We will trade him to you. 

 
I mean I know how the game is now but the Magic were 12-41 from 3. Why didn’t they just go get some buckets? 


the "D" part of 3 & D is arguably that they can steal the ball from anyone who doesnt have a handle. collapsing on post guys is the easiest of the variety of D. Bamba dont have a handle, Capela, Rob Williams, NNoel dont got handles. a good post move takes 3-4 pounds and the ball would mostly be gone w them. 

working to catch the ball low would actually require learning sumn they hadnt already on the way up. one-&-done centers dont learn that and, as we all should be aware by now, getting paid cancels being taught anything except by one's brand guru. i could go to Gekko length onnat but nobody already unnerstans me

 
the "D" part of 3 & D is arguably that they can steal the ball from anyone who doesnt have a handle. collapsing on post guys is the easiest of the variety of D. Bamba dont have a handle, Capela, Rob Williams, NNoel dont got handles. a good post move takes 3-4 pounds and the ball would mostly be gone w them. 

working to catch the ball low would actually require learning sumn they hadnt already on the way up. one-&-done centers dont learn that and, as we all should be aware by now, getting paid cancels being taught anything except by one's brand guru. i could go to Gekko length onnat but nobody already unnerstans me


The NBA learned from Billy Beane.

The Oakland A's can get to the playoffs and do it on a shoestring budget and with a lot of non elite players. However that catches up to the team in the playoffs when you face stiffer competition and individual matchups become more critical.

Reliance on the three point shot is a high percentage move for the entire season. Taking a ton of threes, trying to get to the line and high percentage shots at the rim ( think of rim runners taking a lob, not Kevin McHale with his back to the basket ) will win you more regular season games than will hurt you when you shot is off.

What made the Warriors so lethal was one of their primary gunners could be off but they still had so much firepower and generated so much gravity from floor spacing that they could still wipe you out with everyone else. Those Spurs teams sort of lived and died if Danny Green was just bricking everything.

The other issue is second chance shot attempts given a possible offensive rebound is simply a lower percentage return than having your rim protector just sprint back and get back to defense and establish his defensive positioning.  This is why Stretch 5s who can defend the rim are so insanely valuable. They are helping the floor spacing, they provide a bail out shooter, they are taking high percentage shots, they leave open the driving lanes for "lead guards" that are hunting for foul calls and they are in a better position to get back on defense quickly. The ideal healthy version of Porzingis is insanely valuable. A super charged Stretch 5 who can defend the rim, be a legit rim runner and create his own shot at will. But the risk factors are too high. Big men are more prone to injury and take a lot longer to develop. You are better off finding a Nerlens Noel, a good rim protector who was accessible through a cheap contract ( well before, not now) and could run the floor. Yes, he had and has offensive limitations, but you also aren't paying him Porzingis type money.

The last issue is the  way the refs control the game. They can give you phantom calls or job you from getting a clean call based on your status in the league. Low post players risk getting pushed out of any game. Just like the NFL can call holding all the time or not, the NBA refs can decide your low post threat has made too much contact. Three point shooters do not tend to have that problem. How do you fabricate a phantom call against a Trae Young launching it from logo range? Big men also tend to be lousy free throw shooters, so putting them on the line makes it harder for refs to massage the games to make them more exciting for a 4th quarter finish on national TV. When the Heat and the Mavericks were in the Finals, the refs were clearly trying to cook Dallas towards the end of that series. But the Mavs kept hitting shots that you couldn't hammer down on with phantom calls.

If you get a Jokic or an Embiid, then great. But nearly all other big men aren't worth the huge contracts. A rim protector/rim runner/lob threat is simply easier to find and fit into the current "Space And Pace" style of modern play.  What was Karl Malone's bail out on the classic Jazz pick and roll? He was actually a pretty good mid range shooter. And that has value in the playoffs when someone like Shaun Livingston was keeping the Warriors going by hitting mid ranges when the defense collapsed on everything else. But that has limited utility over the course of a long regular season when the goal is to get enough wins to make the  playoffs, try to get decent seeding and keep your guys healthy when the playoffs force your rotation to shorten.

25 years ago, Nerlens Noel is one of the most coveted and highly paid players in the NBA. Today he's a role player. If the Knicks didn't give him that contract, and didn't need to appease recent COTY Thibs,  he might still be surfing around as a perpetual journeyman.

I like wikkid, but he doesn't seem to really get the modern Space And Pace style game. Big men aren't more refined because talent evaluators have given up on trying to make players into something that they are not. They are focusing on using players based on their actual strengths. This is how the Heat got Duncan Robinson to break through. They didn't expect him to be something he's not, they just focused on making what he was presenting into a better fit into an actual modern NBA role.

 
25 years ago, Nerlens Noel is one of the most coveted and highly paid players in the NBA. Today he's a role player. If the Knicks didn't give him that contract, and didn't need to appease recent COTY Thibs,  he might still be surfing around as a perpetual journeyman.
Wait, what? 25 years ago was 1996, not 1956. Nerlens has no offensive game whatsoever. 

 
So do players just not post up at all anymore? Mo Bamba was like literally 3 inches bigger than any Spurs player and the ball didn’t even go into the post once. Does he even know how to do it? All he did was wing 3s up and roll to the hoop on a pick and roll and watched the ball sail over his head. Infuriating to watch. 
Robin Lopez can post up.

 
So do players just not post up at all anymore? Mo Bamba was like literally 3 inches bigger than any Spurs player and the ball didn’t even go into the post once. Does he even know how to do it? All he did was wing 3s up and roll to the hoop on a pick and roll and watched the ball sail over his head. Infuriating to watch. 


Some guys still post.  What I find appalling is the poor entry passes.  The Wiz tried to post Montrelz several times the other night against Boston, and the Celts stole 4 of them.  Dinwiddie is a breath of fresh air, but he can't determine an entry pass angle better than a 3rd grade house league player.

 
You're welcome to your opinion of course, but #1 - only passing if you're going to get an assist is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and is impossible to do in real life. If anything, you could say he only passes when he can't shoot. That's a decent argument at least. 

Sure, there are more triple doubles now than ever before. He's still one of only two guys to average a triple double. That isn't easy.  

I would like to see some footage of the multiple times he had KD open and didn't pass. 

Your guy Jordan is the very definition of hero ball. 

Pick any metric and Westbrook rates out as a great player in the all-time scheme of things. And damn you for making me defend him. 


MJ made the players around him better. Westbrook doesn't do that. Russ has a great skill set if he ever used it correctly. I'm not saying Russ is a garbage player but he's this Generations Allen Iverson without the legal issues. Great talent who never was a team player and will never win an NBA. 

The pass to only get an easy assist yes happens and something Giovani put on his Ben Simmons report when describing him as only caring about his numbers during college. Just FYI btw. 

Go back an watch the OKC series they gave up a 3-1 lead in the playoffs with Russ and KD. You'll see numerious times he did this. It was pretty obvious and KD had growing frustration as the games went and they ended up losing. Multiple fans and OKC fans over the years have even said this too. 

Thats great if you have to use metrics to defend how great of a player he is that to me doesn't make him great. 

 
Oh but he can't win in the playoffs, right? I get it. He's never gone very far despite haven't some good teammates. That's understandable. I mean, he has a career 50% winning percentage in his career in the playoffs. Gross. I mean, it's better than CJ McCollum, John Stockton, Kevin Garnett, Dirk, Nash, Wes Unseld, Paul George, Al Horford, Shawn Kemp, Elvin Hayes, Terry Cummings, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Larry Nance, Damian Lillard, and Tim Hardaway. But still, maeks it clear he's super bad at basketball. 


Iverson took a pretty avg Sixers team to finals. I would never expect Russ to be able to accomplish that. VC was a great player who's Raptors teams who weren't great got into the postseason do to how back the East was. John Stockton and Malone had to deal with Hakeem and then when you got to the Finals you had to deal with one of the other top 5 greats in MJ. 

Hardaway's teams underachieved a lot. Not sure why we are using McCullom snd  Lillard here. KG was on some bad Mind teams and then had to deal with Doc Rivers coaching and the big 3 manage to win at least one title despite Doc's ineptness in coaching. I wouldn't want Paul George beard my team ever. Kemp I hardy followed his career. 

You got to look at the teams around these players around them. Plus Westbrook is such a streaky player with his style. If he can get and stay hot then he can maybe steal you a game or two. However when he's cold and bricking shots like we saw in the playoff series vs the 76ers last year he can shoot you well out of games. The dude is never gonna change his approach. He has no excuse why the thunder shotld've choked a 3-1 series lead. He went on his let me jack up every shot and try to win myself the mVP award of the playoffs and shot his team out of the playoffs with the Thunder. Good for KD going elsewhere and realizing he was never winning with Russ on his team. Can't fault the dude on that. 

 
Career usage rate: Westbrook 32.5%, Wade 31.4%

Carrer assist rate: Westbrook 42.7%, Wade 30.4%

Career turnover rate: Westbrook 15.9%, Wade 13.7%

I'm too dumb to find the actual rates right now apparently, but guess what these numbes mean? It means Wade took a greater percentage of his team's shots while he was on the floor than Westbrook has. 


Wade knew when he was having a bad night to pass it off. Russ will always jack up shots and take pour shots no matter what. I'm not arguing Russ isn't a great player I'm arguing people overrate him because he's a streaky player. I consider greats guys who can consistently do this nightly. Maybe a rare off night here and there but are constant. 

 
KD wasn’t great against the Warriors once they got up 3-1 either. The idea that there has to be someone to blame for losing a series to a team that won 73 games is silly. The Warriors were better and they won because Klay went nuts in game 6. 

 
I asked her if she could fill it with water and she laughed at me. 
 

I don’t drink at games. Saw two drunk guys almost get into a fight in the john and somebody yelled out “you’re really going to go to jail over an Orlando Magic game?”


One has to question why they are at a Magic game and even root for the magic. You were just there because you wanted to go to a game and had no choice since It was the closes game to go too. 

 
no one reads this stuff... you know that right?


So you complain about my post despite saying you don't read them? Good lord. This makes zero sense at all. And you wonder why I don't compliment the team? It's not like you will read it anyway according to you. You basically saying I'm wasting my time even replying to you 

 
I mean I know how the game is now but the Magic were 12-41 from 3. Why didn’t they just go get some buckets? 


Teams live and die by the 3. This is why I hate advance stats sometimes and why I hate when people use this as an end all be all. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but advantced Metrics I believe show today it's better to jack up a 3 rather then shooting a 2 or posting up. I'm no math guy but someone tell me how someone calculated that being better then an easy lay up. Also a lot of bigs today are more athletic. Gone are jump hooks (Not sure why some can't do that), post ups, etc. Everyone wants to shoot 3s now. Honestly if I was an NBA coach I'd have a rule for bigs. Joel Embiid for awhile had a case of this so I'll use him just because I'm more familiar with him and why he got better overall shooting % wise. Joel had a tendency early in his career to jack up 3s. The issue yes he could make them but it was streaky. Joel is talented enough and big enough to go inside and post up. But he didn't. Over the last 3 yrs he's learned and taken less 3s. His shooting % overall has gone up and he goes to the rim more. 

A lot of guys don't do that though but great on Embiid for learning from that and it makes him a better player overall. 

My rule for bigs is if you can hit a 3 as a big then you for every 3 you attempt you must try and go inside for a jump shot, lay up, easy shot 3 times before attempting another 3 or something similar. Some of these guys just jack up bad shots without care. 

 
Meanwhile talking about Embiid I'm confused why this review is taking so long. Joel had a ball go off him out of bounds. Joel made a frustration reaction where he threw a fist and almost knocked out Lonzo Ball (No intent though). They called a T on Embiid I guess for his reaction as they are trying to cut down on those type of reactions but reviewed for a flagrant foul. Not even sure why they would rule a flagrant. No intent by Joel to throw a punch and he luckily for him and Ball never made contact besides maybe grazing ZO's fro. Honestly a waste of review and time there. Both teams players appeared to be questioning the review too. 

 
If this doesn't sum up Harden's hustle, I don't know what does.  And as he gets older and the booze/party lifestyle starts to hit him, it will only get worse.  So glad he's off the Rockets.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhn32FVz6BU


Dude is another one of those players do to his lack of hustle wouldn't have a made a career back in the 80s or 90s in the NBA. He'd have been ripped a new one and either fell in line or been done after 4 or 5 seasons depending how good his play was and if a team could defend his negatives or not 

 
Dude is another one of those players do to his lack of hustle wouldn't have a made a career back in the 80s or 90s in the NBA. He'd have been ripped a new one and either fell in line or been done after 4 or 5 seasons depending how good his play was and if a team could defend his negatives or not 
Do you actually think the chain smoking, no weight room using, undisciplined defensively, non-play running players in the 80s and 90s work harder than players now?

 
MJ made the players around him better. Westbrook doesn't do that. Russ has a great skill set if he ever used it correctly. I'm not saying Russ is a garbage player but he's this Generations Allen Iverson without the legal issues. Great talent who never was a team player and will never win an NBA. 


To be fair to RWB, you have to look at Keanu Reeves. He's great as John Wick and in The Matrix. He's not so good in roles where he has to actually act. Part of success is putting people in a situation where they can succeed. Duncan Robinson is a good example. Because of draft asset scarcity given some long term moves made in the past, the Heat had a little more roster room to  give someone like DR a chance. He got to entrench with a stable franchise with an elite head coach and a defined system and style of play. He wasn't asked to be anything over his head, he was asked to be the best version of what he already had show he can likely  do well.

LeBron James does the same thing everywhere he goes. Stockpiles past their prime veterans, causes cap hell, puts together a poorly fitting roster and jettisons young players and draft picks. Do you remember the scene in Aliens where Corporal Hudson points to the little girl, Newt, and tells everyone to put her in charge then? That's LeBron James. He's like a child taking over huge decisions while the rest of the adults just stand around like idiots.

RWB thrives in a team built around him and to highlight his strengths. Basically post Durant/Ibaka/Harden OKC Thunder teams. He needs the ball in his hands.  So does LBJ and so does Anthony Davis. Of course it's not going to work out long time.

The Lakers did not need RWB. In fact , that trade made everything worse because it cost them players who were at least versed in the existing Lakers system. The Lakers need five Mikal Bridges more than they need RWB. They need strong switchable rangy defenders who can space the floor and hit a three point shot consistently.

Putting RWB on the Lakers is like casting Keanu Reeves to be the lead in My Left Foot.

 
The Lakers did not need RWB. In fact , that trade made everything worse because it cost them players who were at least versed in the existing Lakers system. The Lakers need five Mikal Bridges more than they need RWB. They need strong switchable rangy defenders who can space the floor and hit a three point shot consistently.


We agree on something!

 
Great book, read it a few years ago.

The Marvin Barnes "time machine" story never gets old. 

Pete Maravich and George Karl getting into an epic fist fight was also good. 
Barnes was an absolutely legend. 
 

“I’m a basketball player, not a monk. I play the women, I play the clothes, I play the cars, I play everything I can play. There’s players and there’s playees. The playees are the ones who get played by the players. I am a player.”

 
Go back an watch the OKC series they gave up a 3-1 lead in the playoffs with Russ and KD. You'll see numerious times he did this. It was pretty obvious and KD had growing frustration as the games went and they ended up losing. Multiple fans and OKC fans over the years have even said this too. 


Charles Barkley Roasting Star Players Outfits (ft. Russell Westbrook and James Harden) Aug 8, 2021

Charles Barkley has clowned on Russell Westbrook and James Harden many times for their outfits, particularly Westbrook. Harden and Westbrook seem to have no fear when it comes to their pregame outfits, and when their games are shown on Inside The NBA, Charles Barkley makes sure to never let them get away with it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm6nGcyZIXA

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I never use these laughing happy faces but Ernie saying all the money RWB must save on buttons....

 
LUUKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

OMG that game was an amazing ending. Mavs offense looked much better with KP, but still mostly like trash without Luka on the court. This is gonna be an interesting season. Kidd generating tons of open looks, his players just need to make them.

 
So you complain about my post despite saying you don't read them? Good lord. This makes zero sense at all. And you wonder why I don't compliment the team? It's not like you will read it anyway according to you. You basically saying I'm wasting my time even replying to you 
uh what

 
Career usage rate: Westbrook 32.5%, Wade 31.4%

Carrer assist rate: Westbrook 42.7%, Wade 30.4%

Career turnover rate: Westbrook 15.9%, Wade 13.7%

I'm too dumb to find the actual rates right now apparently, but guess what these numbes mean? It means Wade took a greater percentage of his team's shots while he was on the floor than Westbrook has. 
Wade was a much better defender and he wasn’t a point guard. 

 
Do you actually think the chain smoking, no weight room using, undisciplined defensively, non-play running players in the 80s and 90s work harder than players now?


Well they certainly are more competitive then the soft babied players today who want to play with friends and cry whenever they are called out and throw a temper tantrum 

 
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