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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (2 Viewers)

CanadianNFLJunkie said:
:shock:   I'll gladly take Rivers over like 75% of the other starting QBs in the league.
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Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Rivers or Cutler, but I'd take Rivers in a heartbeat, and I think I'd actually prefer Cutler over Tyrod in this offense if they can add a little WR help to go with Watkins and Clay, in addition to the good running game.

 
I'm thinking we almost have to go WR(TE) and DB with at least our first two picks. 

Right now we have almost nothing at WR after Sammy.  

And DB we still need a starting SS and CB.

I hope they have a plan.  

 
Mr. Peterson said:
I'm thinking we almost have to go WR(TE) and DB with at least our first two picks. 

Right now we have almost nothing at WR after Sammy.  

And DB we still need a starting SS and CB.

I hope they have a plan.  
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I think they plan on Darby and Seymour being the starting CBs. 

Poyer will likely be one starting safety and Hyde the other one.

WR is definitely a desperate need as the #2 WR at the moment is either Kolby Listenbee or Walt Powell. 

LB is also a desperate need. For their 4-3 defense, I believe they only have 2 actual 4-3 linebackers on the roster right now. Not ideal. At this rate, it wouldn't shock me to see them go LBer. Jabrill Peppers wouldn't be a total shock to me if they take him in the first despite his tweener status. He would give them versatility and flexibility, something McDermott loves, and could actually be a fit at MLB in McDermott's scheme (one that requires a lot of speed and ability to cover from the MLB).

 
Don't be shocked to see them go CB or S with #10, depending on who falls. Either Hyde or Seymour will be the nickel back. I'd think they'd prefer it be Seymour, but Hyde can play the position.

Then they'll go WR in the second round.

 
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I'm hoping we go DB in the first.  I don't think there's a WR that's worth the 10th overall in this draft.  I keep hearing rumblings of Howard, but is he worth a pick that high?  

Wish we could go bpa, but doubt we can with our roster needs. 

 
Bills signed Lorenzo Alexander to a 2 year deal worth $9M with $4.1M in signing bonus. That's a good deal for both sides IMO. He's 33 so you have to figure he's not going to get any better, but he had a very good year last year, works hard and is a quality character guy.

 
Barring one of the top guys falling to them, I'm hoping for a trade down- they have plenty of holes to fill and only 6 picks in the draft.

 
Some more details are out regarding Taylor's contract. Looks better for the Bills, he would earn ~$10 mil less over the next 2 years plus they can get out of it easily after this one.

That being said, I think I'd prefer a full-blown rebuild. They almost certainly won't make the playoffs yet again this year, but they also likely won't be drafting high enough to land one of the top QB prospects next year. Rinse and repeat, year after year after year....

 
humpback said:
That being said, I think I'd prefer a full-blown rebuild. They almost certainly won't make the playoffs yet again this year, but they also likely won't be drafting high enough to land one of the top QB prospects next year. Rinse and repeat, year after year after year....
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I totally agree with this, especially considering what NE has done this off season. Next year is another year with no shot at winning the division. The Bills will be going into week 1 with a record of 0-2.

 
Pretty amazing how little interest there is from us Bills fans this offseason. Seems that the Bills finally sucked all the hope out of us.

With that being said, there seems to be quite the rumblings Doug Whaley will be out soon as GM. Jerry Sullivan is guessing that Whaley will be ousted after the draft. Not sure where it's coming from, but Rotoworld is saying that there was a power struggle between Whaley and McDermott with McDermott winning and that McDermott will pick the next GM.

If McDermott gets to pick the GM, that's a colossal mistake. No GM worth his salt would be ok with coming into an organization without even being able to pick his own head coach.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Pretty amazing how little interest there is from us Bills fans this offseason. Seems that the Bills finally sucked all the hope out of us.

With that being said, there seems to be quite the rumblings Doug Whaley will be out soon as GM. Jerry Sullivan is guessing that Whaley will be ousted after the draft. Not sure where it's coming from, but Rotoworld is saying that there was a power struggle between Whaley and McDermott with McDermott winning and that McDermott will pick the next GM.

If McDermott gets to pick the GM, that's a colossal mistake. No GM worth his salt would be ok with coming into an organization without even being able to pick his own head coach.
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Mistake how?  He's going to bring in someone he is familiar with, the player personnel guy from Carolina.  I assume you are not expecting the Bills to challenge for a playoff spot in 2017.  They will be okay in 2018.  Whaley's drafting has been less than desired.  Too many mistakes yet he still has his job?  Why?

 
Here's the article- there's a link in there for another as well.

It's become pretty obvious that the Pegula's have no idea what they're doing, which makes it's almost impossible to be optimistic about the team.

 
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I'm ambivalent about their offseason moves. I'm come around to resigning Tyrod. Continuity at the QB position is must and Tyrod, for all his faults, is at least a league average QB with the perk of making occasional big plays. I like their signing of all those cheap young WRs. They didn't break the bank trying to find an established #2 WR and I'm ok with that, especially if they go WR in the second or third round. I hate that they resigned OT Miller. That guy was an absolute disaster last year. Why resign him? Stupid. And signing two FBs was just odd.

Overall the offseason has been very meh. It's hard to get all juiced about it.

 
The offseason hasn't been exciting, but at least we haven't seen anything that looks like an outlandish mistake.  That's not something you can say every year.

I don't think tanking was the right strategy.  A team should be able to make improvements each year, just because the Bills haven't been good at doing that, doesn't mean it's impossible.  2 years of incremental improvement and the team is in the playoffs.  The Bills have had top 3 picks before - when they got Dareus - it doesn't necessarily turn a team around.  Hoping for a good draft, and maybe there's some production out of Lawson and Ragland this year.

 
I'm really hoping they find a way to resign Zach Brown. Preston, Zach, and Ragland would be a sick set of LBs for McDermott to work with.

 
flysack said:
I'm really hoping they find a way to resign Zach Brown. Preston, Zach, and Ragland would be a sick set of LBs for McDermott to work with.
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I would love to have him back too, but McDermott's defense thrives on a MLB that can cover a ton of ground and do well in pass coverage. None of those guys fit that bill. 

I don't think he'll be there then, but Peppers in the 2nd could be worth a gamble there. He may ultimately be too small to play MLB, but who knows.

 
GroveDiesel said:
I would love to have him back too, but McDermott's defense thrives on a MLB that can cover a ton of ground and do well in pass coverage. None of those guys fit that bill. 

I don't think he'll be there then, but Peppers in the 2nd could be worth a gamble there. He may ultimately be too small to play MLB, but who knows.
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Ain't gonna happen, so wake up from your dream.  He might go as high as 12th but most likely in the last 10-12 picks of the first.

 
So there are rumors that Whaley will be fired after the draft. Is it a good idea to let a guy that has heard rumblings that he's losing his job to make your draft picks? Not that I'd expect him to sabotage the draft, but it seems odd. I know the flip side is that it's too late in the process to start all over for draft prep, but couldn't they make their head scout an interim GM for the draft?

 
Dr. Octopus said:
So there are rumors that Whaley will be fired after the draft. Is it a good idea to let a guy that has heard rumblings that he's losing his job to make your draft picks? Not that I'd expect him to sabotage the draft, but it seems odd. I know the flip side is that it's too late in the process to start all over for draft prep, but couldn't they make their head scout an interim GM for the draft?
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I would assume Whaley would want a job elsewhere if he is indeed fired. Wouldn't help his cause to sabotage the draft.

 
Odd time to be talking about firing our GM. I hope it's BS, and if so the Pegulas tell him he's good for this full year. I think Whaley has done a pretty good job with player acquisitions. I assume the Pegulas had a big hand in the Rex hiring.

 
flysack said:
They didn't break the bank trying to find an established #2 WR and I'm ok with that, especially if they go WR in the second or third round.
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A lot of mocks have them taking Mike Williams in the first. I'm a bit torn on that. If they had a better passing QB, I'd really like it. But with Tyrod, I'm not so sure. I guess it's probably still a good long term selection, assuming they can keep Sammy around for longer than his current contract. 

 
Buffalo has good players but no identity.  A mobile qb, a young stud receiver who gets hurt all the time, mediocrity at tight end, an old running back with a rotating door of backups behind him - are they building a running team?  A passing team?  Building around t-mobile?  

Changing back and forth between a 3-4 or a 4-3 doesn't help either. They're bringing in their third defensive minded head coach in 5 years and while I like the hire for you guys I don't see how that can be good for your players. 

If I were buffalo I think my first pick would be a defensive player or a tight end.  On defense - just best player available.  Don't worry about need picks, just get someone whose career starts in a 4-3 and can learn McDermott's system from scratch.  If he's going to be successful, he needs good players who understand his system and can teach the next group, and there's going to be guys who transition better than others this year.  

If they go offense, get one of these tight ends.  Give the defense something to think about so they can't just double Watkins and spy tyrod. A good running back who can catch passes and a good tight end dragging across the field 8 yards in front of your mobile qb is a nightmare to defend. Williams could fill that role and upgrade a barren wr depth chart but receiver is deep enough in this draft that you can get a guy later 

 
Bills have no identity because they fire their coaches every 2-3 yrs.  Rex brought interest back to western NY but that side-show didn't last long considering the team didn't get any better.

As for the Whaley chatter, I thought it was obvious that he doesn't have his power of authority so keeping him til after the draft or not shouldn't be the question.  It appears that he will not have the final say on who the team drafts so why let him go now?

 
I was watching the Doug Flutie football life this weekend. I had forgotten the whole Rob Johnson thing. Can we consider this a Flutie curse since the last time the Bills were even in the playoffs was that game they blew against the Titans? All because they randomly benched him.

 
Insein said:
I was watching the Doug Flutie football life this weekend. I had forgotten the whole Rob Johnson thing. Can we consider this a Flutie curse since the last time the Bills were even in the playoffs was that game they blew against the Titans? All because they randomly benched him.
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Rob Johnson had that game won.

 
bostonfred said:
Buffalo has good players but no identity.  A mobile qb, a young stud receiver who gets hurt all the time, mediocrity at tight end, an old running back with a rotating door of backups behind him - are they building a running team?  A passing team?  Building around t-mobile?  

Changing back and forth between a 3-4 or a 4-3 doesn't help either. They're bringing in their third defensive minded head coach in 5 years and while I like the hire for you guys I don't see how that can be good for your players. 

If I were buffalo I think my first pick would be a defensive player or a tight end.  On defense - just best player available.  Don't worry about need picks, just get someone whose career starts in a 4-3 and can learn McDermott's system from scratch.  If he's going to be successful, he needs good players who understand his system and can teach the next group, and there's going to be guys who transition better than others this year.  

If they go offense, get one of these tight ends.  Give the defense something to think about so they can't just double Watkins and spy tyrod. A good running back who can catch passes and a good tight end dragging across the field 8 yards in front of your mobile qb is a nightmare to defend. Williams could fill that role and upgrade a barren wr depth chart but receiver is deep enough in this draft that you can get a guy later 
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Clay is a pretty good TE. I have no interest in them drafting a TE early, especially since this is a VERY deep class at TE. The biggest problem the Bills have at TE is a QB that can't deliver the ball to the middle of the field.

 
I have no idea if the Whaley is going to get fired, who the Bills draft, if Watkins can ever stay healthy or if the Bills will ever be good again, but I do know that the more I see of Sean McDermott, the more I like him. I don't know if he'll be successful, but I think he gives them a much much better chance at being successful than Rex Ryan did.

The Bills are smart to make him the face of the Front Office right now.

 
GroveDiesel said:
I have no idea if the Whaley is going to get fired, who the Bills draft, if Watkins can ever stay healthy or if the Bills will ever be good again, but I do know that the more I see of Sean McDermott, the more I like him. I don't know if he'll be successful, but I think he gives them a much much better chance at being successful than Rex Ryan did.

The Bills are smart to make him the face of the Front Office right now.
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McDermott is a good coach. He got a raw deal here in Philly. Took over after Jim Johnson died and was sort of blamed for the defensive collapse that happened that season. He showed what he could do in Carolina. 

McDermott has been patiently waiting for a head coaching opportunity for a couple seasons now and hasn't complained about it. He's pretty much the anti Rex Ryan. No nonsense, calm demeanor that has his guys backs. 

I hope he can turn it around for Buffalo.

 
flysack said:
That was the best defense they ever fielded. #1 in the league and just lights out every game.
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And the Defense the Bills faced, on average, was probably pretty close to top 5, because Flutie, much like Tyrod Taylor, was very limited. He was even easier to plan a defensive scheme against than Taylor. (Don't worry too much about the middle of the field, little deep ball threat, and Flutie was a bit less of a scrambler.)

 
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And the Defense the Bills faced, on average, was probably pretty close to top 5, because Flutie, much like Tyrod Taylor, was very limited. He was even easier to plan a defensive scheme against than Taylor. (Don't worry too much about the middle of the field, little deep ball threat, and Flutie was a bit less of a scrambler.)
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Please. That's the year the NFL realized all you have to do to stop Flutie is have your D-line raise their hands and all his passes would get batted down.

 
flysack said:
Please. That's the year the NFL realized all you have to do to stop Flutie is have your D-line raise their hands and all his passes would get batted down.
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Flutie's arm was also shot by that point.  He was struggling to get the ball more 15 yards downfield.  

I enjoyed watching him play, and he was a pleasant surprise for a few seasons.  But he aged extremely suddenly.  

 
Bills GM 'in love' with Deshaun Watson?

Bleacher Report's Matt Miller was told by an unnamed director of player personnel that the Bills are a "wild card" for Clemson QB Deshaun Watson at No. 12 overall.  As many as four quarterbacks are drawing first-round buzz including Watson, North Carolina's Mitchell Trubisky, Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer and Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes. Miller's source doesn't expect a "run on quarterbacks" until the 20s, but feels that Buffalo could buck that trend if GM Doug Whaley is "as in love with Watson as we hear he is." Of course Whaley, who is rumored to be on the outs in Buffalo, was against keeping Tyrod Taylor but was ignored by head coach Sean McDermott. In his article, Miller lists the 49ers, Bears, Bills, Jaguars and Jets as teams that will likely address quarterback in the draft.

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I like Mahomes a lot more than Watson, but no way at 12.  Bills need a WR or DB with that #10 pick.  Unless they somehow trade down or do some package deal to get back into the 1st with a second pick, I don't see a QB for the Bills in 1st.

 
CanadianNFLJunkie said:
Bills GM 'in love' with Deshaun Watson?

Bleacher Report's Matt Miller was told by an unnamed director of player personnel that the Bills are a "wild card" for Clemson QB Deshaun Watson at No. 12 overall.  As many as four quarterbacks are drawing first-round buzz including Watson, North Carolina's Mitchell Trubisky, Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer and Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes. Miller's source doesn't expect a "run on quarterbacks" until the 20s, but feels that Buffalo could buck that trend if GM Doug Whaley is "as in love with Watson as we hear he is." Of course Whaley, who is rumored to be on the outs in Buffalo, was against keeping Tyrod Taylor but was ignored by head coach Sean McDermott. In his article, Miller lists the 49ers, Bears, Bills, Jaguars and Jets as teams that will likely address quarterback in the draft.

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I like Mahomes a lot more than Watson, but no way at 12.  Bills need a WR or DB with that #10 pick.  Unless they somehow trade down or do some package deal to get back into the 1st with a second pick, I don't see a QB for the Bills in 1st.
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I wouldn't mind them taking a QB in the second round, but if they take one at #12 I'll lose it. You extend Tyrod, throw your support behind him, then undermine the guy by drafting a QB at 12? At least if they grab someone in the 2nd they can spin it as drafting for depth, which they do need. I'm not exactly comfortable going into the season with Jones as our #2. He's a project at best for at least another year or two. 

 
CanadianNFLJunkie said:
Bleacher Report's Matt Miller was told by an unnamed director of player personnel that the Bills are a "wild card" for Clemson QB Deshaun Watson at No. 12 overall. 
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I think if my source was a director of player personnel who didn't even know who had which pick, I'd think twice about relying on the source.  Or is Mr. Miller tipping us off to a trade with Cleveland heretofore unreported...

 
Is this like when we were locked onto Nassib?  So instead of going for Watson the Bills do a huge redirect and take an equally crappy player.

 
Bills sign T.J. Yates. 

Not a bad addition, imo. At least he'll provide competition for the #2 spot behind Tyrod. If Jones can't beat him out, he clearly still needs development work as a third stringer.

 
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