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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (1 Viewer)

Bracie Smathers said:
Joe Marino‏ @TheJoeMarino 28m28 minutes ago

From @AllbrightNFL: "The #Bills have deliberately made known their interest in Josh Allen. Take that for what you will." Also said same source made him aware of interest in Nate Peterman last year.
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What benefits are there from deliberately saying that they want Allen?

 
Mccown went for 10M, that's too rich for me. If the bills think they can draft a week 1 starter, then sign Moore or some other backup.

 
GroveDiesel said:
And told him that he'll be the starter this year. 

So now it appears that it's down to the Bills needing a vet QB with Bridgewater, McCarron, Moore and Glennon all still available.
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Bridgewater>>Geno>Glennon would be my top-3 of the remaining FA QB's with some starting experience. Those 3 at least have some upside if they see the field, McCarron, Moore etc. seem like emergency backup caliber guys. 

 
travdogg said:
Bridgewater>>Geno>Glennon would be my top-3 of the remaining FA QB's with some starting experience. Those 3 at least have some upside if they see the field, McCarron, Moore etc. seem like emergency backup caliber guys. 
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The reason I like Moore is that he could start a few games, but would be fine with taking the back seat to a rookie too. He reportedly did a fantastic job trying to help Tannehill as much as possible. If you can add a vet QB who acts like another coach for a rookie QB, helps him adjust to the NFL, and is fine with taking a back seat to him when it's time, that's not a bad option IMO.

If you're adding a bridge guy to try to go win some playoff games while a rookie sits and watches, then there's no question you go after Bridgewater at this point who may be on board with a 1 year prove-it deal.

 
GroveDiesel said:
The reason I like Moore is that he could start a few games, but would be fine with taking the back seat to a rookie too. He reportedly did a fantastic job trying to help Tannehill as much as possible. If you can add a vet QB who acts like another coach for a rookie QB, helps him adjust to the NFL, and is fine with taking a back seat to him when it's time, that's not a bad option IMO.

If you're adding a bridge guy to try to go win some playoff games while a rookie sits and watches, then there's no question you go after Bridgewater at this point who may be on board with a 1 year prove-it deal.
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That's fair in regards to Moore being part coach, there was some similar talk about Glennon in Chicago with Trubisky, though he was likely less happy about being a backup, but that was probably due to how it came about.

I guess I'm looking at it from the point of view that the Jets and Dolphins both look awful, and the Bills finally made the playoffs, and were neck and neck with the Jags, so it doesn't feel like a rebuilding team, even though it sorta still is.

 
travdogg said:
That's fair in regards to Moore being part coach, there was some similar talk about Glennon in Chicago with Trubisky, though he was likely less happy about being a backup, but that was probably due to how it came about.

I guess I'm looking at it from the point of view that the Jets and Dolphins both look awful, and the Bills finally made the playoffs, and were neck and neck with the Jags, so it doesn't feel like a rebuilding team, even though it sorta still is.
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Ideally, if the Bills are truly trading up for a QB it's for Rosen or Mayfield, both of who I think can, and should, be starting from Week 1. And I think they could be a good team under either of those guys.

If it's any of the other QBs, I think they need to sit a year.

 
Well, the bad news is that the Jets are also signing Bridgewater.

The good news is that now there really aren't any other teams competing for QBs and the Bills can wait. Also good news is that the Jets really don't seem to have any clue as to what they're doing.

 
humpback said:
They really couldn't/wouldn't go over 1 yr/$5 mil for Bridgewater?
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Yeah, that's disappointing if that's really the deal Bridgewater got. 

You almost have to wonder if they wait until after the draft to get a vet QB to manipulate the compensation pick calculations in their favor. 

 
I can't tell if not getting any of this batch of FA QBs is stupid or genius.  Is this Brandon Beane's crazy version of NFL Moneyball?

 
Reading this morning that the Patriots made an offer to McCarron.  With the scraps left on the table it seems that he might be the last available vet (although with next to no playing experience) for the Bills to consider.  The question will be, would he rather have a spot where he only plays if the starter goes down, or go to a team where he has a legitimate opportunity to compete as the starter?  Or is he just going to look for best dollar value.

The only other options will be if the Bills trade for a vet or wait for a vet to be cut during the summer.  Not sure he's the best option, but I think I'd rather they make an offer to McCarron. 

I'd still like to see if the Bills have any interest in attempting to retain E.J. Gaines. 

 
humpback said:
They really couldn't/wouldn't go over 1 yr/$5 mil for Bridgewater?
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Yeah, that's weird.  But whatever.  This off-season will end up being judged 100% on whether the guy we draft is in the pro bowl (and our roster -- I have to specify that, this being the Bills and all) five years from now.  

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Joe Marino‏ @TheJoeMarino 28m28 minutes ago

From @AllbrightNFL: "The #Bills have deliberately made known their interest in Josh Allen. Take that for what you will." Also said same source made him aware of interest in Nate Peterman last year.
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Beane wasn't the GM when they took Peterman. The Bills have run a tight ship since McDermott and Beane came to town. There's been very little leaked regarding releases, signings, trades, draft selections. So I doubt that they would let that slip if he was really their guy. They may want people to think that so they don't also trade up to take one of the QBs they want.

On The Rocks said:
Reading this morning that the Patriots made an offer to McCarron.  With the scraps left on the table it seems that he might be the last available vet (although with next to no playing experience) for the Bills to consider.  The question will be, would he rather have a spot where he only plays if the starter goes down, or go to a team where he has a legitimate opportunity to compete as the starter?  Or is he just going to look for best dollar value.

The only other options will be if the Bills trade for a vet or wait for a vet to be cut during the summer.  Not sure he's the best option, but I think I'd rather they make an offer to McCarron. 

I'd still like to see if the Bills have any interest in attempting to retain E.J. Gaines. 
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They can still bring Matt Moore in. I don't believe he's signed. They're essentially letting the demand for vet QBs die off so they can sign one for cheap, which was a smart move. It also signals that they didn't need a bridge QB, so their QB they're planning to draft is ready to start from Day 1. Which means it's not Josh Allen. It also means they're awfully damn confident they're going to get their guy. So they may have things lined up and just waiting til Draft Day to make sure it all works as planned.

As for EJ Gaines. The Texans GM was here in Buffalo last year. They apparently have a lot of interest in him, as they should. He did really well when he was on the field. However, after signing Vontae Davis for cheap and having Tre White, I don't think they go for a 3rd CB and pay him as much as he will want. It's likely he's a goner.

 
Last year Shady was actively recruiting Maclin, who ended up taking a deal to go to Baltimore. Now he's released by Baltimore, which means he won't factor into the comp pick formula (which Brandon Beane has publicly stated is something he's going to strongly consider during free agency). We obviously have a need at WR still, and if we're trading up for a QB, we won't have as many picks available in the draft as we originally thought. Aside from trading for a WR, it would seem wise to consider signing Maclin. He didn't have a great year last year, but the Ravens offense led by Joe Flacco is anything but productive. I'm actually hoping that they go that route. A veteran WR will obviously help a young QB. Zay Jones is better served in the slot, and with Jordan Matthews leaving it would be smart to slide him in there full-time. I don't think he deserves the crap he gets as he had a large % of uncatchable balls thrown his way, but seemed to be fried in the media for his "drops". Yes, some were pretty bad, but it wasn't all on him. Kelvin Benjamin is a contested ball WR, but he showed almost no explosion last year and started to doubt the decision to trade for him once we got to the end of the season. But even with him we could benefit from having a 2nd vet WR to rely on. I would say Jordy Nelson should be high on our list, but he's apparently already taking a visit to Oakland which seemed to happen fast, and Maclin was already linked to us last off-season.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Yeah, that's weird.  But whatever.  This off-season will end up being judged 100% on whether the guy we draft is in the pro bowl (and our roster -- I have to specify that, this being the Bills and all) five years from now.  
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Well, yeah, but that's because they're putting all their eggs in that basket. Bridgewater could have been a decent, cheap hedge in case the rookie doesn't work out.

 
According to Sal Capaccio there are a "lot of moving parts" and that he's catching wind of several things that could potentially take place. He hasn't reported it as he doesn't have all of the details yet apparently. Sounds like another big splash is coming. Perhaps Jerry Hughes is being replaced by Murphy? I love Jerry, but could understand why he would be on the outs with this regime as he seems to be at odds with coaches pretty frequently.

 
The fact that virtually nothing has leaked from this front office, but they've made it "deliberately clear" that they're interested in Josh Allen seems like a total smokescreen to me. At least, I kinda hope it is.

I'd love to have either Rosen or Mayfield. You can't teach accuracy.

 
Tommy Collins said:
According to Sal Capaccio there are a "lot of moving parts" and that he's catching wind of several things that could potentially take place. He hasn't reported it as he doesn't have all of the details yet apparently. Sounds like another big splash is coming. Perhaps Jerry Hughes is being replaced by Murphy? I love Jerry, but could understand why he would be on the outs with this regime as he seems to be at odds with coaches pretty frequently.
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Or Lawson. Lawson has been a real disappointment. Or Murphy becomes the starter opposite Hughes and Lawson becomes a rotation guy.

But trading Hughes away wouldn't be a huge shock. Hughes makes a ton of plays, but he also blows a lot of plays and gets stupid penalties. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
Or Lawson. Lawson has been a real disappointment. Or Murphy becomes the starter opposite Hughes and Lawson becomes a rotation guy.

But trading Hughes away wouldn't be a huge shock. Hughes makes a ton of plays, but he also blows a lot of plays and gets stupid penalties. 
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And has a $10m cap figure for 2018. He's productive and doesn't get the credit he deserves. He gets a lot of pressures but doesn't always get the sacks, but the job has been done by disrupting the QB.

I wouldn't be shocked if Lawson were gone, but who would want him? He's cheap labor, but then again, would we want to get rid of him if he's cheap and fills a backup role?

 
I am not in favour of moving Hughes, he is valuable and the Bills do not have anyone to fill that gap. 

Totally different story from Glenn who became expendable and Tyrod who they planned on replacing with a rookie. 

 
The Duff Man said:
I am not in favour of moving Hughes, he is valuable and the Bills do not have anyone to fill that gap. 

Totally different story from Glenn who became expendable and Tyrod who they planned on replacing with a rookie. 
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He will be 30 before the season starts, coupled with his cap figure and attitude at times, I can't say I'm surprised. Not saying he won't be missed.

 
GroveDiesel said:
The reason I like Moore is that he could start a few games, but would be fine with taking the back seat to a rookie too. He reportedly did a fantastic job trying to help Tannehill as much as possible. If you can add a vet QB who acts like another coach for a rookie QB, helps him adjust to the NFL, and is fine with taking a back seat to him when it's time, that's not a bad option IMO.

If you're adding a bridge guy to try to go win some playoff games while a rookie sits and watches, then there's no question you go after Bridgewater at this point who may be on board with a 1 year prove-it deal.
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If Mark Sanchez is released by the Bears (and they just signed Chase Daniels so it's possible) I think he'd be great in that role also. From all accounts he helped Dak Prescott and Mitch Trubisky out tremendously and he's a real team guy. I actually think he can still play a little as well.

 
This may sound crazy but it's possible the staff still likes Peterman and considers him a viable plan B at QB if they don't get their target at the draft.

 
ScottNorwood said:
This may sound crazy but it's possible the staff still likes Peterman and considers him a viable plan B at QB if they don't get their target at the draft.
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That's certainly starting to seem like the case. Sal Capaccio is saying that the Bills did not plan on targeting a QB in free agency.

Honestly, that worries me a bit just in that Peterman has looked terrible every time he's taken the field in a game. If the Bills still believe in him, I'm not sure that I trust them to identify and develop a truly elite QB.

 
Borden said:
Tell me more please. I don’t know much outside of where he went to college. 
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He's got balls.  Not like I'm gonna turn it over like Peterman crazy balls, I'm talking about staying in the pocket and throwing strikez balls.  Guy is a proven winner. Smart.  He's a leader.  Cinci is beyond dumb for sticking with a proven loser like Dalton over him.  But they can't even fire their coach.

Anyways, he's a hard worker and will fit in great.  I'm calling it.  You got your QB for the foreseeable future.

 
2 years $10M for McCarron with an upside of $6.5M a year. 

That is a fantastic deal when looking at all the other FA QB deals so far.

 
need2know said:
He's got balls.  Not like I'm gonna turn it over like Peterman crazy balls, I'm talking about staying in the pocket and throwing strikez balls.  Guy is a proven winner. Smart.  He's a leader.  Cinci is beyond dumb for sticking with a proven loser like Dalton over him.  But they can't even fire their coach.

Anyways, he's a hard worker and will fit in great.  I'm calling it.  You got your QB for the foreseeable future.
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Feel almost the exact opposite on McCarron. Unless the rookie the Bills get is Josh Allen, I expect that rookie to be starting week 1, just because he'll look so much better than McCarron in August. If McCarron starts games, he is a gigantic downgrade from Tyrod, and might not be better than Peterman, with more than a week to prepare, would have been.

I will agree that McCarron is a gutsy, hard working player,but he's just not talented in my eyes. No mobility, weak arm, makes questionable decisions. He's a poor man's Ryan Fitzpatrick to me.

I didn't think he was anywhere near as good as Dalton, and Dalton's just decent.

 
travdogg said:
Feel almost the exact opposite on McCarron. Unless the rookie the Bills get is Josh Allen, I expect that rookie to be starting week 1, just because he'll look so much better than McCarron in August. If McCarron starts games, he is a gigantic downgrade from Tyrod, and might not be better than Peterman, with more than a week to prepare, would have been.

I will agree that McCarron is a gutsy, hard working player,but he's just not talented in my eyes. No mobility, weak arm, makes questionable decisions. He's a poor man's Ryan Fitzpatrick to me.

I didn't think he was anywhere near as good as Dalton, and Dalton's just decent.
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Guess we will find out this year.  I bet he starts over a rookie.

 
GroveDiesel said:
2 years $10M for McCarron with an upside of $6.5M a year. 

That is a fantastic deal when looking at all the other FA QB deals so far.
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This is an excellent move by the Bills...it is pretty obvious the Bills are going to end up with one of the big rookie QBs...the thing with those guys is while they all look like they can be very good none of them look like they are a definite to be ready to start in week 1...if their young QB is not ready you absolutely don't want to rush them...that could be disastrous...now that they have McCarron they have far more breathing room (and at a surprisingly very affordable price)...he will be able to keep the seat warm and play how McDermott wants the Bills to...if he over-performs (and I do think that is a possibility) they could have some excellent trade bait next offseason as he will have suitors if that happens...worst case is he is a solid back-up for a year or two... 

 
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I like the AJ signing quite a bit.

Remember, Hue Jackson was his OC in Cincy and just tried to trade a 2nd and 3rd for him last fall in Cleveland. If nothing else it represents real value for such an easy/free signing. Id be willing to bet he earns the right to open up as the Bills starter.  Can he handle pressure and make the sideline passes?  Well I still think Nick Foles struggles with the sideline passes. ;)  

 
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