2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (6 Viewers)

[GroveDiesel]

The Pegulas meet with the players all the time without Rex there. They want to know how their organization is being run from top to bottom. I have no problem with that. 

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Why not, because you agree with the decision? It's a terrible precedent to set IMO.

In my opinion, it's a bad practice, but actually a good precedent to set. It's kind of a "Hey, we aren't the Lions ownership. We've got our eye on you."

But, like I said, if it happens again in the next few years and becomes kind of a Redskins, Cowboys type of ownership then yes, that would be very bad.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

You should have a huge problem with this. Owners and players should not be meeting behind a HC's back and making decisions on any level.

Rex is a #####, but he's deep in the NFL coaching brotherhood. This could easily effect your next head coaching search, who wants to coach under owners like this if they have any other options?

I think your perspective might be a little jaded by Snyder's past.

 

[GroveDiesel]

You should have a huge problem with this. Owners and players should not be meeting behind a HC's back and making decisions on any level.

Rex is a #####, but he's deep in the NFL coaching brotherhood. This could easily effect your next head coaching search, who wants to coach under owners like this if they have any other options?

Huh? Rex is the one that went to the Pegulas and said he wanted to fire Roman. It was his decision, not the players' or the Pegulas. The Pegulas meet with the players every week. After they met with the players and Rex came in and said he wanted to fire Roman, the Pegulas were likely on board since they already had an idea of how the players felt.

 

[humpback]

In my opinion, it's a bad practice, but actually a good precedent to set. It's kind of a "Hey, we aren't the Lions ownership. We've got our eye on you."

But, like I said, if it happens again in the next few years and becomes kind of a Redskins, Cowboys type of ownership then yes, that would be very bad.

I'm not following- you say it's a good precedent to set, but if they keep doing it, it'll be very bad. Isn't that what a precedent is?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Huh? Rex is the one that went to the Pegulas and said he wanted to fire Roman. It was his decision, not the players' or the Pegulas. The Pegulas meet with the players every week. After they met with the players and Rex came in and said he wanted to fire Roman, the Pegulas were likely on board since they already had an idea of how the players felt.

Did you miss the report this morning? That this decision was made without Rex and he was pissed but took "credit" in the media anyays? That's what we're talking about

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I'm not following- you say it's a good precedent to set, but if they keep doing it, it'll be very bad. Isn't that what a precedent is?

We might be having a semantic debate... It's not technically a precedent until it used as an example for future similar situations, right?

My point is, if this is a one time thing, I like it (because of the potential dumpster fire that is starting to smoke.) If it becomes a habit, then yes, it will not be a healthy situation.

 

[jonramz]

Rex wants to throw and spread it out... notice during the presser how pissy he got at the "ground and pound" label. Rex wanted Roman out in the offseason, this was his shot. Whether or not it will be successful is another story, but it will be much more "spready".

Now you have no reason to believe me... just what I heard and trying to give back to footballguys

 

[GroveDiesel]

Did you miss the report this morning? That this decision was made without Rex and he was pissed but took "credit" in the media anyays? That's what we're talking about

I read it. I also read Sal Capaccio's incredibly detailed report about how it all went down as well as multiple tweets from other beat reporters that made it clear that it was Rex's decision and that there was no meeting behind Rex's back. 

But I guess you didn't actually read any of those followup reports, because that's what I was talking about.

 

[Tommy Collins]

As for Whaley, his drafts have been weak and risky and not paid off so I can see Whaley gone next.  I would assume Rex stays at least one more year, since his players love him, unless they just crap out to finish the year with a record like 4-12 or worse.  Sure he's a PITA and arrogant SOB often. 

You realize that Whaley is responsible for Tyrod, Shady, Karlos, Clay, Sammy, Incognito, Miller, Mills, Hughes, Darby, Graham, right? The starters he inherited were Robert Woods, Cordy Glenn, Eric Wood, Kyle Williams, Marcel Dareus, Stephon Gilmore, Aaron Williams.

He's brought in a lot of talent to this team. I remember when Brian Moorman was our best player. Advocating for the firing of a GM who built a good roster is crazy in my opinion. It's not his fault the coaches can't find results with the talent on the field.

But as for your point about Whaley's drafts, he has overseen 2 of them and these are the results.

2015

• 2nd: Ronald Darby
  
• 3rd: John Miller
  
• 5th: Karlos Williams
  
• 6th: Tony Steward
  
• 6th: Nick O'Leary
  

2014

• 1st: Sammy Watkins
  
• 2nd: Cyrus Kouandjio
  
• 3rd: Preston Brown
  
• 4th: Ross Cockrell
  
• 5th: Cyril Richardson
  
• 7th: Randell Johnson
  
• 7th: Seantrel Henderson
  

Generally any player drafted after the 4th round has very little in the way of expectations. So if they can contribute to any degree, I consider them to be very good picks. The Bills got Karlos Williams and Seantrel Henderson in the 5th & 7th, respectively. Even if Karlos only was on the roster for 1 year before he got fat and failed drug tests, he had a large impact in that year that most players drafted in the 5th won't.

Of the 5 guys drafted in the first 3 rounds in these two drafts, Kouandjio is the weakest of them. He was forced to move to the right side as a rookie, which a lot of players have difficulty with. He has done a pretty good job of filling in for Cordy Glenn on the left side and appears to be much more comfortable in that capacity. He hasn't lived up to his draft status as a 2nd round pick, but I wouldn't say he's worthless either.

Darby, Miller, Sammy, and Preston all go without saying. I'm guessing that your statement is based on the 2013 draft where Buddy Nix was the GM?

2013

• 1st: EJ Manuel
  
• 2nd: Robert Woods
  
• 2nd: Kiko Alonso
  
• 3rd: Marquise Goodwin
  
• 4th: Duke Williams
  
• 5th: Jonathan Meeks
  
• 6th: Dustin Hopkins
  
• 7th: Chris Gragg
  

This class is seen as a bust because it lacks start appeal. EJ Manuel obviously didn't work out. For the record I was hoping for a QB during this draft and thinking "not that guy" when watching FSU tape. Sure enough, EJ Manuel is a Bill. Even if you hate the pick, Woods is a solid receiver, but underutilized like everybody in our offenses. Kiko did well his rookie year and net us LeSean McCoy via trade. Goodwin has shown some talent when he is on the field but cant' ever stay healthy. Duke Williams has finally started to emerge a little this year and had a strong off-season, but was burnt by Mike Wallace week 1. Meeks has hung around as a ST player, which isn't terrible for a 5th rounder. Hopkins is the starting Kicker in Washington, so he isn't terrible. Gragg had a strong camp and made a strong push for the #2 TE job, as a 7th rounder.

So where is the evidence that Whaley's drafts are "weak"? Is it this year's class with Shaq having shoulder issues and Ragland tearing his ACL? Because you can't predict an ACL tear for a guy who doesn't have extensive history of them. Shaq may have had a bad shoulder while drafted, but the team clearly feels as though he is going to be very talented and can contribute for many future seasons at the risk of him not playing in his rookie season. It's entirely too early to tell what the outcome of the 2016 draft class will be. But the 2013-2015 classes aren't "weak" from what I can see.

I read it. I also read Sal Capaccio's incredibly detailed report about how it all went down as well as multiple tweets from other beat reporters that made it clear that it was Rex's decision and that there was no meeting behind Rex's back. 

But I guess you didn't actually read any of those followup reports, because that's what I was talking about.

Agreed. It seems as though it was normal for the owners to meet with the players. Rex knew of the meeting taking place, so therefore nothing behind his back. The owners supported Rex's decision to fire Roman.

I tend to believe the local guys over the national guys. The local ones have a lot more connections and inside knowledge about what's going on. It makes sense that what Sal is saying is true or as close to the truth as we will know.

But if the owners had a private meeting behind Rex's back, would it really be such a bad thing? Perhaps they know that Rex is loyal and wouldn't say anything bad about his assistant but the owners wanted to know what the problems really were. I don't think it's a problem that the owners wanted to meet with their players to get their true feelings about the team's issues. If a HC candidate isn't interested because of a meeting the owners had with players then I don't know what to say. The owners like to know what's going on with the team they spent $1.2 billion to buy.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Nice deep thoughts here Billieve.  I can agree with you on some points, but my main point is Whaley reached on a players and he did head the draft in 2016 and yes it's incomplete, but that's three drafts.  The selection of Karlos Williams was defined as a reach pick and he had baggage.  Bad pick. Whaley did pull the Watkins deal which many, including me, disagreed on the cost of a first rounder in 2015 for moving up to grab Watkins.  Kouandjio actually looked good in this preseason but he hasn't done anything yet in regular season play.  Miller is the weak link on the O-line.  Preston Brown hasn't blossomed (yet) and wasn't expected to be a starter this year until Reggie tore his knee.  These are all high picks and you'd think at least 50% of them should have been solid players.  As for this draft, a lot of question marks regarding Shaq Lawson's health.  Yes the team doctors felt he was good to go, but oops, wrong call.  Whaley will get blamed there.  Cardelle Jones? I don't see him being the future QB.  I didn't like the Washington pick but he seems like a solid player.  Ragland I loved, especially at that spot and it sucks that he is out.  Bottom line his drafts from the last three years are bad.  QB was a need going into the 2015 draft but with no #1 pick, no QB taken via a trade up or later on.  The players that you mention via free agency and trades that Whaley brought in, umm and?  The Taylor saga with Whaley saying he wants to see more from Taylor before he signs him to a long term deal, really didn't go that way, did it?  Is he the answer for 2017?  So far it doesn't look like it, does it?   As for the other players you pointed out that Whaley brought in, Hughes, doesn't impress me when he jumps offside too often and or draws those stupid selfish undisciplined personal fouls.  Yes he's easily the best pass rusher the Bills have but is the return on his investment worthy? Graham? What about him?  he's a starter and maybe a good leader in the locker room but not on the field.  he's brutal.  And what about other players Whaley brought in that you didn't mention? Players like Chris Williams, who signed a 4 yr deal for good $ yet he played one year? Keith Rivers, signs a 2 yr deal for okay money but gone after 1 year? Traded for Bryce Brown? Cut after 1 year. Clay signed for big bucks, top 5??? TE money yet he's not earned his money (yet) A reach move for a necessary weakness position.   I'm sure there's more but that's what I can think of off-hand.

I guess we agree to disagree and we'll find out in January who was right

 

[Tommy Collins]

Nice deep thoughts here Billieve.  I can agree with you on some points, but my main point is Whaley reached on a players and he did head the draft in 2016 and yes it's incomplete, but that's three drafts.  The selection of Karlos Williams was defined as a reach pick and he had baggage.  Bad pick. Whaley did pull the Watkins deal which many, including me, disagreed on the cost of a first rounder in 2015 for moving up to grab Watkins.  Kouandjio actually looked good in this preseason but he hasn't done anything yet in regular season play.  Miller is the weak link on the O-line.  Preston Brown hasn't blossomed (yet) and wasn't expected to be a starter this year until Reggie tore his knee.  These are all high picks and you'd think at least 50% of them should have been solid players.  As for this draft, a lot of question marks regarding Shaq Lawson's health.  Yes the team doctors felt he was good to go, but oops, wrong call.  Whaley will get blamed there.  Cardelle Jones? I don't see him being the future QB.  I didn't like the Washington pick but he seems like a solid player.  Ragland I loved, especially at that spot and it sucks that he is out.  Bottom line his drafts from the last three years are bad.  QB was a need going into the 2015 draft but with no #1 pick, no QB taken via a trade up or later on.  The players that you mention via free agency and trades that Whaley brought in, umm and?  The Taylor saga with Whaley saying he wants to see more from Taylor before he signs him to a long term deal, really didn't go that way, did it?  Is he the answer for 2017?  So far it doesn't look like it, does it?   As for the other players you pointed out that Whaley brought in, Hughes, doesn't impress me when he jumps offside too often and or draws those stupid selfish undisciplined personal fouls.  Yes he's easily the best pass rusher the Bills have but is the return on his investment worthy? Graham? What about him?  he's a starter and maybe a good leader in the locker room but not on the field.  he's brutal.  And what about other players Whaley brought in that you didn't mention? Players like Chris Williams, who signed a 4 yr deal for good $ yet he played one year? Keith Rivers, signs a 2 yr deal for okay money but gone after 1 year? Traded for Bryce Brown? Cut after 1 year. Clay signed for big bucks, top 5??? TE money yet he's not earned his money (yet) A reach move for a necessary weakness position.   I'm sure there's more but that's what I can think of off-hand.

I guess we agree to disagree and we'll find out in January who was right

Wow. 

By the way, Kuoandjio was one of the top rated players for Buffalo this past week. 

Hughes jumps offsides because he's trying to get a good jump on the ball. Easily their best pass rusher and a really underrated guy. PFF puts together the beat players at each position each week. Hughes was on it. 

How can a 5th round pick be a reach? ... Blows my mind that was said.

I won't even discuss this year's class because we have no idea how it will be.

Every GM makes moves that don't turn out. If you expect perfection you will be disappointed.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Wow. 

 

[GroveDiesel]

Bills are officially Billsing again. Watkins likely to miss this week thanks to his foot being stepped on during their walkthrough Monday.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Bills are officially Billsing again. Watkins likely to miss this week thanks to his foot being stepped on during their walkthrough Monday.

Bob Woods my sneaky DraftKings play.

 

[Tommy Collins]

Bob Woods my sneaky DraftKings play.

Isn't he likely to be matched up against Patrick Peterson? With Peterson & Mathieu back there, I'm not optimistic of much passing production.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Isn't he likely to be matched up against Patrick Peterson? With Peterson & Mathieu back there, I'm not optimistic of much passing production.

I think Peterson will follow Goodwin around for speed if Watkins sits.  Mathieu will probably cover Woods underneath, but I still like Woods at his price point to get 6-60 with a potential garbage time score. The Vegas line in this one is weird.

 

[The Duff Man]

I can't attend tomorrow. 

I have 4 tickets in section 310 if anyone is interested at a low price  

Any reasonable offer is fine, even a trade for Sabres tickets or something else. 

Pm me. 

Thx. 

 

[Steve Tasker]

I can't attend tomorrow. 

I have 4 tickets in section 310 if anyone is interested at a low price  

Any reasonable offer is fine, even a trade for Sabres tickets or something else. 

Pm me. 

Thx. 

Not interested in buying them, but my seasons are in 310.  Are these your seasons?  What row are you?

 

[Bad_Mo]

Huh? Rex is the one that went to the Pegulas and said he wanted to fire Roman. It was his decision, not the players' or the Pegulas. The Pegulas meet with the players every week. After they met with the players and Rex came in and said he wanted to fire Roman, the Pegulas were likely on board since they already had an idea of how the players felt.

That's the most references to pegulas I've seen ever.  4:2 ratio.  Pegulas!

 

[The Duff Man]

Not interested in buying them, but my seasons are in 310.  Are these your seasons?  What row are you?

Row 19. It is my first year there. 

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

I am a little surprised there's no mention anywhere that I've looked online that Walt Powell would get some playing time for Sammy Watkins.  He looked polished in pre-season whenever he played.  Greg Salas just doesn't do it for me.

 

[flysack]

Darby out. Watkins out. 0-3 here we come!

 

[GroveDiesel]

Darby out. Watkins out. 0-3 here we come!

Yup. If you own any Cards players at all, now is definitely the week to start them. The Bills are going to get destroyed.

Honestly, at this point, just shut down Watkins until his foot is 100%. I can understand rushing him back in the hopes of making the playoffs, but with that looking like a pipe dream yet again, might as well let him get back to 100% instead of risking anything longer term pointlessly.

 

[flysack]

Yup. If you own any Cards players at all, now is definitely the week to start them. The Bills are going to get destroyed.

Honestly, at this point, just shut down Watkins until his foot is 100%. I can understand rushing him back in the hopes of making the playoffs, but with that looking like a pipe dream yet again, might as well let him get back to 100% instead of risking anything longer term pointlessly.

Oh man, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying.

 

[flysack]

Yup. If you own any Cards players at all, now is definitely the week to start them. The Bills are going to get destroyed.

Honestly, at this point, just shut down Watkins until his foot is 100%. I can understand rushing him back in the hopes of making the playoffs, but with that looking like a pipe dream yet again, might as well let him get back to 100% instead of risking anything longer term pointlessly.

https://youtu.be/-oSFYxDGKy8?t=61

 

[Card Trader]

This is one of those games that the Cards stink in, I think the Bills will play well....desperate, and the Cards will struggle to match that intensity.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Oh man, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying.

Well not now obviously, but I understand why they rushed him back to start the season. There's always hope before the season starts. Amazing that it took a scant 2 weeks for reality to set in this year.

 

[flysack]

So people who saw the game today, did the offense look as good as final score indicates? How much do you think this had to do with Roman's departure (i.e. better play calling)?

 

[Steve Tasker]

Row 19. It is my first year there. 

row 30 here.  My sister and BIL are in row 10-ish.

 

[Steve Tasker]

So people who saw the game today, did the offense look as good as final score indicates? How much do you think this had to do with Roman's departure (i.e. better play calling)?

I think the offense looked better than the previous games but didn't totally wow me.  They still looked fairly inept at times trying to throw the ball.  Run-blocking was great and McCoy had big holes for the most part.  There were still times when they struggled to sustain drives.  They had chances to put together backbreaking drives to put the Cardinals away and couldn't.  When it clicked, it clicked, a couple big runs in a row and then a score, but it was never a drive more than like 3 minutes.

Honestly, I thought the defense was more impressive.  A handful of sacks, 4 INTs, a TD.  5 straight 3-and-outs to start the game and less than 100 yards in the first half against a very good offense.  Hughes, penalty aside, is looking like one of the best pure pass-rushers in the NFL right now.  I thought Aaron Williams had a great game....not sure if they commented on it on TV but they matched him up 1-on-1 with Fitzgerald in the slot for much of the day and he stepped up.  Gilmore was left on an island for much of the game and I definitely can't complain about his performance.  Kyle Williams was fighting off double-teams and got penetration repeatedly.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Also, how do you have no Watkins, no Salas, and yet still only target Charles Clay one time?

 

[Tommy Collins]

I think the offense looked better than the previous games but didn't totally wow me.  They still looked fairly inept at times trying to throw the ball.  Run-blocking was great and McCoy had big holes for the most part.  There were still times when they struggled to sustain drives.  They had chances to put together backbreaking drives to put the Cardinals away and couldn't.  When it clicked, it clicked, a couple big runs in a row and then a score, but it was never a drive more than like 3 minutes.

Honestly, I thought the defense was more impressive.  A handful of sacks, 4 INTs, a TD.  5 straight 3-and-outs to start the game and less than 100 yards in the first half against a very good offense.  Hughes, penalty aside, is looking like one of the best pure pass-rushers in the NFL right now.  I thought Aaron Williams had a great game....not sure if they commented on it on TV but they matched him up 1-on-1 with Fitzgerald in the slot for much of the day and he stepped up.  Gilmore was left on an island for much of the game and I definitely can't complain about his performance.  Kyle Williams was fighting off double-teams and got penetration repeatedly.

Thanks. I couldn't watch it because Fox Sports apparently thought Syracuse wanted to see the Giants instead.

From the recap it looked like it was some big plays and very little through the air. It seems our pass ofdense has taken a step back this year. I'm wondering if it's the result of other teams having more film on Taylor. 

Hopefully we won't be as bad as the 2014 offense but I don't think we reach 2015 levels for whatever reason. I don't like being dependant on big plays to put points on the board because they don't always happen. This offense needs to focus on building drives asap.

 

[Tommy Collins]

Also, how do you have no Watkins, no Salas, and yet still only target Charles Clay one time?

Exactly. Still cant utilize our weapons. How does the team continue to roster Reggie Bush?

 

[Steve Tasker]

I will say that the Bills threw the ball over the middle a number of times.  Powell got separation on a number of slants, definitely a route that Watkins would've made some plays.  The offense did have 3 clear drops, Woods / Powell / maybe Powell again?  None were big plays but they were WRs letting Taylor down.  They reverted back to week 1 style and stopped throwing the ball deep....the only difference is that they moved the ball on the ground with big plays this time, unlike the Ravens game.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I think the offense looked better than the previous games but didn't totally wow me.  They still looked fairly inept at times trying to throw the ball.  Run-blocking was great and McCoy had big holes for the most part.  There were still times when they struggled to sustain drives.  They had chances to put together backbreaking drives to put the Cardinals away and couldn't.  When it clicked, it clicked, a couple big runs in a row and then a score, but it was never a drive more than like 3 minutes.

Honestly, I thought the defense was more impressive.  A handful of sacks, 4 INTs, a TD.  5 straight 3-and-outs to start the game and less than 100 yards in the first half against a very good offense.  Hughes, penalty aside, is looking like one of the best pure pass-rushers in the NFL right now.  I thought Aaron Williams had a great game....not sure if they commented on it on TV but they matched him up 1-on-1 with Fitzgerald in the slot for much of the day and he stepped up.  Gilmore was left on an island for much of the game and I definitely can't complain about his performance.  Kyle Williams was fighting off double-teams and got penetration repeatedly.

Pretty good synopsis... I have a hard time being too critical of the passing game when you have Watkins out, and Clay on the bench with an injury for much of the game. WR is not a position of depth, so those players out hurt a lot.

Defence definitely showed up today. As the announcers pointed out, the Bills DBs were in position a lot last week, but just couldn't break up the passes. Today they did, despite Darby being out.

Here's hoping for a miracle next week... 

 

[GroveDiesel]

The run blocking was fantastic, but Taylor was still under pressure a bunch in the passing game. And he still isn't mature enough to settle down when the pressure isn't there. So after the early pressure on him, he was rushing throws and feeling pressure that wasn't there. That caused some major accuracy issues. The passing game was working the best when they went into the hurry up and went to quick timing routes.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

The run blocking was fantastic, but Taylor was still under pressure a bunch in the passing game. And he still isn't mature enough to settle down when the pressure isn't there. So after the early pressure on him, he was rushing throws and feeling pressure that wasn't there. That caused some major accuracy issues. The passing game was working the best when they went into the hurry up and went to quick timing routes.

Agreed. Hopefully getting Sammy and Glenn back will help that a lot. Do we know when Glenn will be back?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Agreed. Hopefully getting Sammy and Glenn back will help that a lot. Do we know when Glenn will be back?

Not sure. But Kouandjio hasn't been much of the problem. He's actually been pretty good filling in for Glenn. The pressure comes off the right side or center most often it seems to me. 

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Not sure. But Kouandjio hasn't been much of the problem. He's actually been pretty good filling in for Glenn. The pressure comes off the right side or center most often it seems to me. 

Very true. But, would Glenn returning allow Kouandjio to take over for Mills? I know he had at least a couple bad plays today.

 

[Tommy Collins]

Very true. But, would Glenn returning allow Kouandjio to take over for Mills? I know he had at least a couple bad plays today.

Kouandjio won't unseat Mills. Kouandjio does decent at LT but really struggles at RT. It's a big difference at the pro level and he hasn't been able to make the transition. Different hand that they punch with, etc. Henderson was above him on the DC last year. Now Mills.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Kouandjio won't unseat Mills. Kouandjio does decent at LT but really struggles at RT. It's a big difference at the pro level and he hasn't been able to make the transition. Different hand that they punch with, etc. Henderson was above him on the DC last year. Now Mills.

You'reright... I got it backwards, despite actually pointing that out a few pages back. 

 

[Tommy Collins]

You'reright... I got it backwards, despite actually pointing that out a few pages back. 

And Kouandjio at LT and Glenn at RT could be a better combination than what we have with Glenn at LT and Mills at RT. However, Glenn could struggle at RT. And it would be an incredible waste of talent to move Glenn to the right side. With so many teams that could use a LT, I'm surprised Whaley didn't ship Kouandjio off this off-season to a team who has a RT that isn't good enough to play LT. Win-win for both teams.

 

[OC Zed]

Very true. But, would Glenn returning allow Kouandjio to take over for Mills? I know he had at least a couple bad plays today.

I believe Kouandjio's problems at RT stem from his knee issues... he has a harder time turning to his right in blocking schemes than his left, thus making him more dependable on the left side.  I remember hearing this from one of the beat writers in the offseason.  It sounded like a known issue for a while.  Kouandjio can fill in on the right side in a pinch, but ends up with significantly more soreness/swelling than on the left side.

 

[OC Zed]

Aside from the John Murphy Show, are there any good Bills-dedicated podcasts out there?  Buffalo Rumblings hasn't done their podcast in a couple seasons.  Dunn & Graham haven't seemed to have put a new one out since training camp (and their production quality sounded like it was recorded through a boom box cassette recorder).  Anything else out there?

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

I will say that the Bills threw the ball over the middle a number of times.  Powell got separation on a number of slants, definitely a route that Watkins would've made some plays.  The offense did have 3 clear drops, Woods / Powell / maybe Powell again?  None were big plays but they were WRs letting Taylor down.  They reverted back to week 1 style and stopped throwing the ball deep....the only difference is that they moved the ball on the ground with big plays this time, unlike the Ravens game.

WGR in their morning show on Monday morning mentioned that according to some site (didn't exactly hear the name of the site as I was driving to work) said that Taylor threw the ball only three times over the middle, and once the play was nullified by a Bill's penalty.  I'd think moving forward, that they will continue to avoid the middle on passing situations

 

[flysack]

Some people like to trash Whaley, but he's again looking pretty smart for taking the middle ground on the Tyrod contract. Everyone and their grandmother wanted us to ink Tyrod to a YUGE deal last year after he put up good numbers, but Whaley was cautious and signed him to a team-friendly deal that wouldn't replicate the Fitz fiasco.

After these first three games...maybe his caution was warranted.

I still like Tyrod. But he has not looked like a franchise QB this season.

 

[humpback]

I certainly didn't want them to give Taylor a huge contract, I think it was a mistake giving him what they did. He still could be the franchise QB, but no reason to pay him like one until he proves it.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Some people like to trash Whaley, but he's again looking pretty smart for taking the middle ground on the Tyrod contract. Everyone and their grandmother wanted us to ink Tyrod to a YUGE deal last year after he put up good numbers, but Whaley was cautious and signed him to a team-friendly deal that wouldn't replicate the Fitz fiasco.

After these first three games...maybe his caution was warranted.

I still like Tyrod. But he has not looked like a franchise QB this season.

Whaley was just on WGR, I'm a big fan he gets a lot of crap from the locals but most are pinning decisions that were Buddy Nix' picks.  He's a great talent evaluator and makes bold moves. It's refreshing watching a GM make trade, win or lose. 

 

[Steve Tasker]

I'm kinda on the fence on Whaley.  I don't think he should be fired immediately but how long do you give the guy if they keep missing the playoffs?  This will be his 4th full season as GM and the team doesn't really seem to be in a better position now than they were 4 years ago.