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Yeah, I never quite understood why the Texans felt the need to sign him to such a big contract. At his best, he was a very good linebacker, but I don't think he was a game changer. Besides being an awful drafter, Rick Smith has also been pretty bad at managing the cap. The Texans always seem to be hamstrung in what they can do because of the cap. They just never seem to allocate their resources very well.
He was great his first 3 years despite the PED suspension. DPOY and 2nd team All Pro his third season. Problem was and is the same thing that usually comes back to bite Smith, his MO is to extend guys early so he can get them at a "discount." But then you screw yourself as they don't have a track record or they get injured. Cushing blew out his ACL in his 4th season and then again in his 5th season, never been the same since and nowhere near worth the money.

Same thing with Fiedorwicz right now, there was no need to give him an extension yet. He only put up some numbers last year because of Captain Checkdown Osweiler.

 
He was great his first 3 years despite the PED suspension. DPOY and 2nd team All Pro his third season. Problem was and is the same thing that usually comes back to bite Smith, his MO is to extend guys early so he can get them at a "discount." But then you screw yourself as they don't have a track record or they get injured. Cushing blew out his ACL in his 4th season and then again in his 5th season, never been the same since and nowhere near worth the money.

Same thing with Fiedorwicz right now, there was no need to give him an extension yet. He only put up some numbers last year because of Captain Checkdown Osweiler.
And didn't Cushing test have his first suspension prior to signing his big extension? Again, that should factor into your decision on when and how to extend him.

 
I have to give O'Brien credit for his coaching last night. With a short week, and a bad starting oline and a rookie Qb, he did what he had to do offer maximum protection for Watson. Whether it was playing with 7 O lineman or playing with 5 O lineman with 2 split RB's who would chip the outside rushers on their way out of the backfield, the Texans were about as effective as they could be. He also used the Fullback effectively in running plays. 

I still think O'Brien put Watson in a terrible spot by being willing to start him in the second game without giving him any preseason reps with the first team. That being said he did a good job last night. Of course he wasn't coaching against a coaching Juggernaut in Marvin Lewis. That helped.

 
Hopefully the extra time until the next game will let a lot of guys get over injuries.

Watt's finger sounded like it was bad shape and worsened on the last few plays. From an uninformed layman's viewpoint I'm worried it may need surgery. He was a lot less effective when he previously played with a club over his hand.

 
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Hopefully the extra time until the next game will let a lot of guys get over injuries.
You sound like a guy with hope for this season. Don't know whether I should envy or pity you.

I think drafting Watson and trading away next year's 1st and 2nd round picks has set us back 3 years. Earliest the Texans will be relevant: 2020.

 
I have to give O'Brien credit for his coaching last night. With a short week, and a bad starting oline and a rookie Qb, he did what he had to do offer maximum protection for Watson. Whether it was playing with 7 O lineman or playing with 5 O lineman with 2 split RB's who would chip the outside rushers on their way out of the backfield, the Texans were about as effective as they could be. He also used the Fullback effectively in running plays. 

I still think O'Brien put Watson in a terrible spot by being willing to start him in the second game without giving him any preseason reps with the first team. That being said he did a good job last night. Of course he wasn't coaching against a coaching Juggernaut in Marvin Lewis. That helped.
Agreed, that had all the makings of an epic blowout, not only a horrible O'line, but all 3 TE's out, only 3 WR's dressed, they lost 2 starting corners during the game. They put enough pressure on Dalton to rattle him and the Cinci defense dropped some easy picks, but they did enough. I don't think anyone is going to be as upset now when we get blown out by NE next week.

The sky is no longer falling but I would still put the over/under on games won this season at 5. Unless a miracle happens and they can fix the o'line, get some guys healthy, especially at WR/TE, or Watson makes a quantum leap in his development.

 
You sound like a guy with hope for this season. Don't know whether I should envy or pity you.

I think drafting Watson and trading away next year's 1st and 2nd round picks has set us back 3 years. Earliest the Texans will be relevant: 2020.
Saying I have hope for the season might be taking it a bit far.

But I do have hope we might avoid having traded away a top 5 pick.

 
Saying I have hope for the season might be taking it a bit far.

But I do have hope we might avoid having traded away a top 5 pick.
Still have 2 games each against the Colts and Titans, the Jags again, the 49ers, the Cardinals (sans DJ), the Rams, the Ravens and the Browns. Go 50/50 on those and that's 5 wins with a pick somewhere in the 6~7 range. :confetti:

 
I'm not near as down as you guys about the team's prospects this year, but worried we're entering purgatory territory. We'll win enough to be possibly in the playoff hunt as a .500 team again, so I think our first round pick turns into a teens instead of a top 10, however we all can see the glaring holes.

The bigger fear for me is that the holes become less obvious because we keep eking our way into the playoffs and we spend money horribly in FA so we make marginal improvement on a team fundamentally stuck in the middle. It doesn't help trading away our draft picks so we have a rookie or rookies injecting sparks into that equation.

 
I'm not near as down as you guys about the team's prospects this year, but worried we're entering purgatory territory. We'll win enough to be possibly in the playoff hunt as a .500 team again, so I think our first round pick turns into a teens instead of a top 10, however we all can see the glaring holes.

The bigger fear for me is that the holes become less obvious because we keep eking our way into the playoffs and we spend money horribly in FA so we make marginal improvement on a team fundamentally stuck in the middle. It doesn't help trading away our draft picks so we have a rookie or rookies injecting sparks into that equation.
Yeah, I was kidding about implying we could've gone 0-16. That would be a monumental feat in this division. I'm with Buckna that we'll probably win 6-7 games. Enough that we won't see someone drafting a top top QB prospect with our pick, but almost certainly someone better than Watson. I'm still butt hurt we didn't just take BQBA with our original pick which would've been Kizer, but with Kizer already showing some flashes (which I didn't expect this early from him), I'm getting more and more angry.

 
Yup, though I think it's safe to say that the focus in the next few drafts is OL. Grab a QB or two late just in case, along with some DL and don't trade away picks chasing a player.

I'm actually glad in the past two years they have some degree of life in "going for it" but it's very one-off without the bigger context in mind. It wasn't bad they went all in on Brock and Miller because the team needed life. They clearly got Brock wrong. With Watson, at least they went for it, but the future picks are what hurt most. If we had sacrificed within the same draft, at least the impact would have been more immediate.

 
I was critical about trading the extra pick to get Watson based on what I thought we knew about Watson at the time the decision is made.

But that said, if it turns out he's a true franchise QB and it takes the team 2 years to get out from under the draft pick loss and Osweiler-ing, it will still end up being worth it.  Rather than spending picks and cap on more Fitpatricks, Osweilers, Hoyers, Mallots, etc.

 
Agreed, gotta hope Watson can progress, then the lost picks won't matter as much in the long run. Duane Brown will be back in the fold after week 9 at which point the line play should definitely improve for the back half of the season where there are much easier matchups. If you can end the year on a solid note and hopefully make some good FA acquisitions to fill holes (on the O'line please!) and then next year I think we are right back in the thick of things. This assumes Watson doesn't get hurt with the pressure he's getting now and manages to take some steps forward.

 
Can we all agree that Rick Smith needs to go? And that Bob McNair, for all the good things he has done for the City of Houston, will be viewed as a joke of an owner until he gets rid of Rick Smith? 

 
Can we all agree that Rick Smith needs to go? And that Bob McNair, for all the good things he has done for the City of Houston, will be viewed as a joke of an owner until he gets rid of Rick Smith? 
Definitely. Unfortunately after last night, I am now worried that Watson will show/win just enough that it gives Smith another season. 

 
Kevin Johnson's injury is a sprained MCL. Expected to miss 4-6 weeks. 

JJo's injury not serious.  Losing Bouye in free agency sure hurt the CB depth.

 
Texans cut Jaelen Strong. Apparently another drug arrest.

I'm presuming our offensive game plan is now QB, RB, Hopkins, and 8 OL.

 
The Houston Texans are expected to sign cornerback Johnthan Banks after working him out on Tuesday, according to multiple reports.
Banks was a guy I liked coming out of the draft, but he didn't seem to produce from what I saw. At least he's got some experience though it's still probably a big downgrade from the starters. They also have a corner named Marcus Burley they signed that I know little about.

 
I was critical about trading the extra pick to get Watson based on what I thought we knew about Watson at the time the decision is made.

But that said, if it turns out he's a true franchise QB and it takes the team 2 years to get out from under the draft pick loss and Osweiler-ing, it will still end up being worth it.  Rather than spending picks and cap on more Fitpatricks, Osweilers, Hoyers, Mallots, etc.
That's a huge if. Personally, he not only needs to turn out to be a true franchise QB (I'm placing the odds around 10%), but he needs to be better than Kizer. Granted, the odds of both of them being franchise QBs is very slim, but if they do and Kizer is better then we still botched it. Rick Smith should've taken best QB available with his #1 pick. No need to sacrifice the future on a perceived weak QB class. Also, Rick Smith should've had a deal in place with Romo before trading away a 2nd round pick to clear cap space. As it stands now, I believe we did not need the cap space since we didn't sign a QB, so we basically just threw away a 2nd. 

If I, a total layman, was in charge we'd have Kizer, all our draft picks next year, and we'd be in a position to land Alex Smith next year. I know, I know, nobody is excited about Alex Smith but we've got a great defense and a pretty good possession WR. It's not sexy but Alex Smith would fit this team.

Also, I never would've wasted a draft pick on Will Fuller or Foreman.

I hate our offense so hard. Very sad watching this team waste that defense.

 
They spent a chunk of that saved cap space on Hopkins new extension so I don't agree that we threw it away. I also think Romo would be in the morgue after these first two games with the state of the offensive line. I know you were anti-paying Hopkins but they were able to resign him and still have a lot of free cap space next year to sign FA's when we won't have any draft picks. Some of that will likely be taken up by resigning a few guys like Joseph and a Clowney extension, although it shouldn't be much extra cap space as Clowney's base salary next year is over $13M as a former #1 pick. They can also clear a lot more space cutting Cushing, Jeff Allen, and/or Lamar Miller (who knows if Smith would actually make any of those cuts though.)

Some media rumors that a few teams have contacted the Texans about trading for Duane Brown, most notably the Seahawks. Probably a pipe dream, but if they could trade him for a 1st or a 2nd, I'm not sure I would be against that. I would guess no one has offered anything close to that though. Who knows for sure, but I would guess this holdout has caused a lot of bad blood though. While the prospects weren't bright for this year, Brown's holdout likely cost us the Jags game and his presence would at least make us competitive in the Titans, Chiefs and Seahawks games. With no Brown, I honestly don't see us winning any of those 3 (it would be a tall order even with him of course.) Even the Browns game might be iffy as they are much improved.

 
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I think it's fair to say I have a grudge against Brown for holding out. There are some situations where I am a lot more supportive, like a guy is playing way above his pay level. Like Bouye last year. I don't think Brown's contract has underpaid him much. His cap figure has been in the range of 5th to 8th highest paid LT every year of his contract.

Worse, I think he's hurting both the team and himself.  How much more a year does he think he could make?  I'm not positive on these numbers, but quick glance... he's making $9.4m and $9.7m this year and next.  How much more is he asking for?  $2m more a year?  He's probably already lost $2m from the hold out (guessing at least $800k in fines from training camp, and over $1.1m in game salary).  If he misses another 3-4 games, even if the team caved to $2m more a year this year and next, he probably makes no more money than if he hadn't held out.

 
Yeah, not sure what Brown's end-game goal is. I can't see any scenario where the Texans wouldn't have paid him his 2018 money and probably would have been talking extension next preseason had he reported this year. But now? Who knows.

With the state of the offensive lines out there with so many teams, I'm thinking more and more that he ends up getting traded either this year or next offseason to recoup some of those picks we lost. And McNair will probably credit Smith for sticking to his guns and not renegotiating the contract... In the meantime us fans get to watch another season down the tubes.

 
I think it's fair to say I have a grudge against Brown for holding out. There are some situations where I am a lot more supportive, like a guy is playing way above his pay level. Like Bouye last year. I don't think Brown's contract has underpaid him much. His cap figure has been in the range of 5th to 8th highest paid LT every year of his contract.

Worse, I think he's hurting both the team and himself.  How much more a year does he think he could make?  I'm not positive on these numbers, but quick glance... he's making $9.4m and $9.7m this year and next.  How much more is he asking for?  $2m more a year?  He's probably already lost $2m from the hold out (guessing at least $800k in fines from training camp, and over $1.1m in game salary).  If he misses another 3-4 games, even if the team caved to $2m more a year this year and next, he probably makes no more money than if he hadn't held out.
Totally agree with all of this. At this point, I don't think it makes any sense for the Texans to give in to his demands. If they were going to do that, they would have done it before the season started so that they would get the use of Brown for the whole season. And since I don't think the Texans will give in, any money Brown is losing HE WILL NEVER GET BACK!! As you said, he is losing a little more than $1 million dollars for every two games he misses. From a financial standpoint, it makes no sense for him to keep holding out.

 
They spent a chunk of that saved cap space on Hopkins new extension so I don't agree that we threw it away. I also think Romo would be in the morgue after these first two games with the state of the offensive line. I know you were anti-paying Hopkins but they were able to resign him and still have a lot of free cap space next year to sign FA's when we won't have any draft picks. Some of that will likely be taken up by resigning a few guys like Joseph and a Clowney extension, although it shouldn't be much extra cap space as Clowney's base salary next year is over $13M as a former #1 pick. They can also clear a lot more space cutting Cushing, Jeff Allen, and/or Lamar Miller (who knows if Smith would actually make any of those cuts though.)

Some media rumors that a few teams have contacted the Texans about trading for Duane Brown, most notably the Seahawks. Probably a pipe dream, but if they could trade him for a 1st or a 2nd, I'm not sure I would be against that. I would guess no one has offered anything close to that though. Who knows for sure, but I would guess this holdout has caused a lot of bad blood though. While the prospects weren't bright for this year, Brown's holdout likely cost us the Jags game and his presence would at least make us competitive in the Titans, Chiefs and Seahawks games. With no Brown, I honestly don't see us winning any of those 3 (it would be a tall order even with him of course.) Even the Browns game might be iffy as they are much improved.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of paying Hopkins top money, but if we front loaded it to make use of the extra cap space from the 2nd round pick trade, then that's better than nothing, I suppose  :kicksrock:

And I agree, our OL would've gotten Romo killed already so our ineptitude at fielding a decent OL has made our ineptitude at bringing in Romo kind of a wash.  :doh:

If we could get a 1st or 2nd for Brown that would be awesome. I won't hold my breath, though.

 
We are projected for something like $29M under next year with no increase in the cap without accounting for about $7M~8M in rollover from this year. You can free up another $8.5M by cutting Cushing, $5M cutting Allen, and if so inclined, $7.75M for Kareem, $4.75M for Lamar Miller and $9.75M if Duane Brown is traded. That's a ####-ton of cap space whether they actually make any of those moves or not.

I could see keeping Kareem & Miller and Brown if there's no trade partner. IDK if Smith would have the stones to cut Cushing and Allen and admit the mistakes he made there. I can see them resigning JJo for a modest amount, maybe resigning both Gilchrist & Pleasant at safety, old man Lechler at Punter, extending Clowney... which is probably something like $11~$12M total. Unless they suddenly pull a 180 the rest of this season, I can't see them resigning Sua'Filo, Chris Clark, Giacomini, Alfred Blue.

Hopefully there are actually FA's worth signing with that war-chest. I could see spending big on a corner or safety but hopefully also a guard or RT. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a decent 2nd or 3rd tier WR although WR's are pricey in free agency and IMO, not usually worth the money.

 
Just skimmed potential 2018 unrestricted free agents.  Offensive line is looking pretty meager in free agency next year.

A lot of corners may be available. 

 
Just skimmed potential 2018 unrestricted free agents.  Offensive line is looking pretty meager in free agency next year.

A lot of corners may be available. 
Yeah was specifically thinking of Malcolm Butler if the Pats let him walk. Agreed, atm the O'line crop looks weak, Solder might be the best guy out there and he's pretty up and down as a LT for the Pats.

 
D-hop on Deshaun Watson:

"He's maturing more and more every day, not just on the field but off the field," Hopkins said. "He's doing things that [are] characteristics of a quarterback that wants to win everything, the ultimate goal. The way he carries himself, not just on the field but off the field, the leadership mentality he has.

"Just the adjustments he can make on the field, going on the sideline, going out and correcting it. I haven't had that in a while."
Psst. Hey Brock. That was you he was talking about.

 
Seems to be making Miller better. 4 completions to him this week. Maybe Watson can teach OBrien how throwing to the RB opens up the offense. The guy is a dunce.

 
What a difference a few weeks makes. There are actually articles out there putting Watson in the discussion for OROY already after two good games. That's putting the cart before the horse and I think Hunt will have something say about that when its all said and done. I'm much more optimistic about Watson keeping it up than the RG3 comparisons that Ninja has posted in other threads, but I'm trying to tempor the enthusiasm a bit. Lots of football to be played with Watson making some mistakes here and there, hopefully he can learn from them.

Only negative is that almost assuredly, Rick Smith and BOB are not going to be fired now, unless the wheels come off Watson. Assuming that doesn't happen, BOB would probably have to make a bunch more mistakes to cost us games like he did against NE. But revising my earlier prediction, I think we have a legit shot to get to 8-8, possibly even better than that :scared: . I'd say there's no team left on the schedule overall other than KC that I don't think we'd at least have a decent shot at beating. It may end up coming down to Jax and Pitt in week 15 & 16 and both those teams have flaws (just like us of course.) Obviously, Watson needs to continue to play well, we have to stay healthy, and we need to take care of business against the Cards, Browns, Ravens, Colts and 49ers of the world, but none of those teams scare me too much at the moment.

You hear that sound? That's the sound of Duane Brown's leverage after the week 1 game completely deflating...

 
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I nearly posted something like that earlier about Duane Brown's leverage evaporating.  Hopefully it gets him back on the field sooner.

Honestly, and people can call this a homer take if they want and I won't argue because part of me will very much agree with them... if Watson ends up being anything close to what we saw the last two weeks (ETA: and I think he might be), I think it's more likely they are competing for a playoff bye the last two weeks, than that they are playing to reach 8-8.

I admit I'm close to writing off the first two weeks as not being indicative of where this team is now with Watson at QB and with Fuller and Ellington back healthy.  I'm letting myself buy into the week 1 Harvey impact, and the painful synergy of Savage's slow decision making with poor line play that first week. The short week 2 on the road with injuries completely wiping out the tight ends, the WRs besides Hopkins, then the CB starters in game and Watson still not having had a week of practice with the starters or enough time for the coaches to make adjustments and install plays made for Watson's game.

I'm sure there will be games where he'll have some turnovers that lose the game. And injury is always a possibility in which case my out-on-a-limb prediction will obviously be blown out of the water. But barring those... that's just what my homer-ific gut feels.

 
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I nearly posted something like that earlier about Duane Brown's leverage evaporating.  Hopefully it gets him back on the field sooner.

Honestly, and people can call this a homer take if they want and I won't argue because part of me will very much agree with them... if Watson ends up being anything close to what we saw the last two weeks (ETA: and I think he might be), I think it's more likely they are competing for a playoff bye the last two weeks, than that they are playing to reach 8-8.

I admit I'm close to writing off the first two weeks as not being indicative of where this team is now with Watson at QB and with Fuller and Ellington back healthy.  I'm letting myself buy into the week 1 Harvey impact, and the painful synergy of Savage's slow decision making with poor line play that first week. The short week 2 on the road with injuries completely wiping out the tight ends, the WRs besides Hopkins, then the CB starters in game and Watson still not having had a week of practice with the starters or enough time for the coaches to make adjustments and install plays made for Watson's game.

I'm sure there will be games where he'll have some turnovers that lose the game. And injury is always a possibility in which case my out-on-a-limb prediction will obviously be blown out of the water. But barring those... that's just what my homer-ific gut feels.
Pre-Watson emergence, I was already feeling more bullish than others about this team, but I would have still said 7-9 or 8-8 and continued purgatory. If he keeps it up, he'll bring this team with him to 12-4 type territory. I think we settle into the middle and see something along the lines of 10-6 or 9-7 and win the division, but draw a first round home game again vs. a team like the Chiefs, Bills, or Broncos.

 
Only negative is that almost assuredly, Rick Smith and BOB are not going to be fired now, unless the wheels come off Watson. Assuming that doesn't happen, BOB would probably have to make a bunch more mistakes to cost us games like he did against NE.
Yep :kicksrock:   

 
we have to stay healthy...
:wall:

Brutal day yesterday for Houston sports fans. Astros blown out in game 3, lose both Mercilus and Watt for the season on the first drive of the game. We wont suddenly be the worst defense in football, but gonna be a lot more shootouts.

 
Yeah. Expectations reset once again.

That playing for 8-8 looking a lot more likely.  I think we can still win the division but even that's going to be a tough road. There's not much pass rush left on the team besides Clowney, who is going to get doubled up by everyone now. At least until Kevin Johnson is back, I don't know that the secondary has the quality and depth to hold up if they have to turn to the blitz frequently to get pressure.

Losing Bouye has hurt every week I've seen him in a Jags uniform. Hurts even worse now. Would be such a game changer if we had been able to keep him instead of having to save the money for Romo potentially.

 
Watson already has set a single-season rookie franchise record for touchdown passes with 12. The previous record was held by David Carr, who threw nine touchdown passes as a rookie in 2002.

 
Can we officially change the sub-heading from QB Circus now? I think it's safe to say we may finally have a QB to rally around.

I still think we're trending towards 9-7 territory and it may come down to the Texans-Colts once more and when Andrew Luck gets back on the field. I'm not yet a believer in Jacksonville but they have the best remaining schedule of the three and have two games against the Colts to create separation if they're for real.

 
Can we officially change the sub-heading from QB Circus now? I think it's safe to say we may finally have a QB to rally around.

I still think we're trending towards 9-7 territory and it may come down to the Texans-Colts once more and when Andrew Luck gets back on the field. I'm not yet a believer in Jacksonville but they have the best remaining schedule of the three and have two games against the Colts to create separation if they're for real.
@coolnerd

 
Duane Brown watch getting close as he needs to return after this weekend to 100% guarantee that he gets credit for the 2017 season. Houston apparently can get a roster exemption for 3 weeks before he could play although its not certain they would exercise that option. Trade deadline is the 31st. Internet rumors a swirl the last few days with the Seahawks on bye and working out FA Left Tackles. Benjamin Allbright tweeted that the Seahawks were working out guys to drive the price down on a trade for Brown. Who knows if that's just speculation though. Considering we play the Seahawks on the 29th, we may see something like Brown report, exemption placed and then Brown traded right after.

I'm not sure anymore if he's getting traded though, Watson's pocket awareness and legs are masking one of the worst ranked O'line's in the league. It may seem like they are playing better since the first few games, but most of that just has to do with Watson's mobility. Su'a-F'ilo and Giacomini are two of the worst ranked starters in the league by PFF and Allen is not far behind. You get Brown back you can move Clark back to RT (can't believe I'm saying that is actually an improvement, but it likely would be over Giacomini.) Guard play would still be a major issue obviously.

 
Dylan Cole has a Grade 2 Strain of his hamstring, will miss at least 4 weeks, possibly longer. Haven't seen anything on Chris Clark's calf injury, he was supposed to have an MRI yesterday also. Kevin Johnson should start practicing again next week and hopefully be ready for the Seahawks game.

Internet says that Duane Brown will report next week on Monday after the Bye week. Still rumors that Seahawks are trying to trade for him but I'd be surprised anything happens prior to our game against them. Only Brown and the Texans know how it is between them, but since he hasn't been traded yet and given the state of the O'line, I would guess that they want him back and want him to play for us.

 
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