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Yenrub
Footballguy
Wait! You really believe that adding Eli Manning to the Colts roster less than two weeks before the season starts will make the Colts a legitimate Super Bowl contender?
Yes ... without a doubt ... Veteran potential HOFer vs journyman quality QB ... All Day
Doesn't take a Veteran long to learn a new system ... Eli did it last season and had one of the best seasons of his career
Yenrub
Footballguy
Sure it was Eli’s best season in years but that was only good for about the 20th QB in the league in terms of QB rating.
Also Eli had an entire offseason and training camp to learn Shurmur’s system, he wouldn’t have nearly that much time if he were to be traded to the Colts.
Obviously Eli has had a better career than Brissett but I think Brissett gives the Colts a better chance to win this season than Eli would.
Also I’m not so sure we should label a young guy still on his rookie contract a ‘journeyman’.
13 Tds in 23 games 17 starts screams journeyman ... 2 starts for the Pats and 0 TDs is unheard of
Yenrub
Footballguy
LOL a little context might help
He was thrust into a starting role in NE as a rookie because Jimmy G got hurt and Brady was serving a suspension. While he didn’t throw any TD’s he did run for one and he didn’t throw any interceptions. The Patriots went 1-1 in his 2 games as a starter.
So in NE as a rookie probably just getting 3rd string reps in training camp he is called on to start 2 games early in the season and plays good enough to win 1 of 2.
He was traded in September of his 2nd season in the league (2017) to the Colts after Luck was injured.
In IND as a 2nd year player he joins the team in September of that season ends up being the starter and throws 13 TD against 7 interceptions and runs for 4 TD’s.
az_prof
Footballguy
Trades like Eli to IND this late into camp are not unheard of but are rare for a reason: learning the playbook and teammates' tendencies (building chemistry with receivers) takes time. That being said, Eli is a veteran and is smart and could probably pick up the Colt's playbook in two weeks well enough to be effective. Is he better at this point in his career than Brissett? No question.
I would say a fourth round pick would be fair value.
Will it happen? Probably not. But it isn't crazy. Colts will be looking for a veteran backup in any case.
I would say a fourth round pick would be fair value.
Will it happen? Probably not. But it isn't crazy. Colts will be looking for a veteran backup in any case.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Once again context
Garoppolo’s 1st start was in 2016. It was his 3rd year in the league. The Patriots scored 23 points against the Cardinals. The Cardinals went 7-8-1 that season and missed the playoffs
Brissett’s 1st start was in 2016. As a rookie. The Patriots scored 27 points against the Texans. The Texans went 9-7 that season and lost to the Patriots in the divisional round of the playoffs.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Garoppolo’s 1st TD came in 2014 (27 attempts) when he was a rookies at age 23 ... Brissett was 24 as rookie (55 Attempts) 0 TDs
Brissett has an extremely low TD % .... I cant even find a comparable QB
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az_prof
Footballguy
I don't know. If I were him I would. The writing is on the wall in NY. He won't be replaced this year, unless the team struggles. But he will be replaced next year. Why not go somewhere that you can start over with a clean slate and a better team and where your replacement isn'tsitting on the sideline yet?
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Yenrub
Footballguy
Once again context.
2014 - Jimmy threw his 1st TD with 7 minutes to go in a game that they were losing 41-7 to Kansas City at the time. AKA garbage time
Whats the matter with you ... the Patriots were shut out for first time ever at Gillette Stadium and the 1st time since 2006 under Brissett ...against the Bills!?
Brissett has a 2.5 TD% for his career ... he's terrible ! that's worse than Josh Rosen as a rookie with the Cardinals who were the worst team in the NFL last year
Not sure why you are such a Brissett fan but you'd better hurry out and get his Jersey before they are all gone ...they are flying off the shelves
For any Giant fans who were disappointed that we let Josh Rosen and Dwayne Haskins pass us by in consecutive drafts ... we can now take solace in knowing that Rosen now with his 2nd team has been beaten out by Fitzmagic despite the Phins using a 2nd and 5th to acquire him and Haskins who we were crazy to pass up has been beaten out by journeyman Case Keenum.
While it is way to early to tell ... I'm feelin pretty good about our disastrous pick of Daniel Jones who has completed a mere 85% of his passes while not throwing an INT and putting up easily the highest avg per pass attempt (12.5) of all 1st rd QBs over the past 2 preseasons. Mayfield (8.1) is the only other to even clear 7.5 yards per pass
While it is way to early to tell ... I'm feelin pretty good about our disastrous pick of Daniel Jones who has completed a mere 85% of his passes while not throwing an INT and putting up easily the highest avg per pass attempt (12.5) of all 1st rd QBs over the past 2 preseasons. Mayfield (8.1) is the only other to even clear 7.5 yards per pass
rockaction
Footballguy
The Jets have a better GM and thread than you guys.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
jets are the peppermint patties of the NFL.they're lame, like thelma in scooby doo. or the Kramer of Seinfeld - the single greatest, most unfunny dork in the history of dorks, the worst part in any tv comedy show , ever. one trick pony.i open door, crowd cheers. i shake head and make weird statements.i leave.crowd cheers.wash rinse repeat. never have i ever watched seinfeld at laughed at anything this guy said or did. its worse than watching SNL.rockaction said:The Jets have a better GM and thread than you guys.
Just saying.
Kramer is the same person that is Phoebe on Friends, bumbling idiots. this is the NY Jets .
but, at least there not the Lions, or Brownies, or Bungles.when they win a SB in this century , hit me up! it's only been half a century. but they're gettin' close aren't they? I like Darnold.
rockaction
Footballguy
The Jets, um, well...yeah. Kind of how you describe. It's indeed been half a century. I think they won in '69, and it's '19, so...
The Frankman
Footballguy
No Slayton, Reggie White Jr., or T.J. Jones? What?
Yenrub
Footballguy
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
"They like the vet presence in the QB room". Well hire the dude as a coach already. I don't see any upside to keeping Tanney for abilities on the field at all. I was thinking his horrid play vs the Pats' scrubs was going to be the writing on the wall. In general, I think the team has improved over previous years efforts. Heck, watching to see if they claim anyone this year will be hugely telling. The waiver window blood bath last year was all the signs anyone needed that the team had massive roster problems going into the year. But I don't get why Tanney is able to hang on.Yenrub said:
His thumb is healed and he'll be ready to go but ... I like Shepard as a #2 and those are the #'s that I think he will produce as a #1 ... Giants are going to spread it out and run a lot
The Frankman
Footballguy
... Yes, because he knows the Giants plays/signals and they can get them. Team do it to division rivals all the time. You think Giants were serious about former Cowboy Rod Smith? Look at the recent cuts/pickup, you'll find a ton of inter-division stuff
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IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
I would have preferred them to take the signals from a guy with zero upside vs a guy who might have upside. I didn't like it when they keep Tanney last year, but if I squinted and looked sideways at it, I could see the logic. I definitely don't see it this year.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Of of course. He is at least designated to return since he was on the active roster.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
How did Barkley not touch the ball on 3rd and 1 and then 4th and 1?
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Where's the pass rush gonna come from with this D? ....Next years draft...
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
I am pretty sure the play calling was worse than that. In the inexplicable, 12men on D, wait, no time out, wait, that was grounding even tho there was a receiver near by sequence... Barkley wasn't on the field. I think it was at least 4 short yardage plays and the rookie of the year wasn't there.
I was happy to see that the OLine was improved. Eli's play (for good or ill, if someone wants to make this game about Eli, have fun with that) was better. But that defense? eeeesh. Eli is going need career days every week if the D keeps that up.
The Secondary was by far the biggest disappointment. After all the preseason hype and personnel investment ... they were absolutely disgusting!!!!
- Hamilton should not be on the field ... ever! Why was he?
- I don't think Love or Ballentine played a defensive snap ...Why?
- Peppers did nothing other than make tackles 10-20 yds downfield
- Bethea looked old and slow
- Baker got tortured regularly
- Even Jenkins got abused on a few plays
The Frankman
Footballguy
This was a secondary that REALLY missed Sam Beal. Beal was to the Giants what Corey Webster was back in the day: size/speed combo with good instincts and then they rotate Baker/Ballentine in the slot. Baker is going to be a good talent but good Lord, he was roasted alive out there.
I'm not sure why Love didn't rotate in more at CB.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Young secondary plus little pass rush equals poor pass defense.
The young guys will get better with experience but there are going to be a lot of bumps in the road
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
Well, it could have come from a guy named Josh Allen from this year's draft, but instead the #6 pick was better spent on Daniel Jones for some ungodly reason.kodycutter said:
Avery
Footballguy
The "ungodly reason" was the Giants starting QB is 38 years old and everybody was saying, and rightfully so, that the Giants need to get a new franchise QB. You may, and obviously do, disagree with the pick. but the reason for drafting a QB made perfect sense.
I mean this is the best possible way, but it is way post letting this go. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... didn't.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Jones would've been there at #17, and that's where people roast Gettleman. It's not that they drafted Jones over Haskins, but that they passed on an young elite pass rusher who dropped in their lap (he was supposed to go Top 3). You'd take Allen/Jones (Or Haskins if Jones wasn't there LOL) any day over Jones/Lawrence any day.
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BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
My point exactly. This defense is going to be sliced and diced without a pass rush.
Avery
Footballguy
Not what you said but fair enough.
Regardless, we don't know if Jones would have been available but again, time to move past it. Past time to move past it.
The Giants screwed up the draft pretty badly ...aside from taking Jones with the 6th pick I think Dexter Lawrence with the 17th was bad as well
They still could have taken Montez Sweat with that pick pick and ended up with a pass rusher. Jones / Sweat isn't bad
If they went with Josh Allen like they should have and Jones was not available ... I would have waited till next year for the QB and gone with Josh Allen / Sweat or Jeffrey Simmons
They still could have taken Montez Sweat with that pick pick and ended up with a pass rusher. Jones / Sweat isn't bad
If they went with Josh Allen like they should have and Jones was not available ... I would have waited till next year for the QB and gone with Josh Allen / Sweat or Jeffrey Simmons
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Thoughts on Engram ROS. Encouraging Week 1. However they were playing catchup, assuming they do this more this year.
Golden Tate coming back in a few weeks, Barkley always there to take 10+ catches any week, Eli being Eli, Jones potentially could help or hinder Engram.
Trying to decide if I should go after Kelce or not using Engram or if the gap will be narrowed and Engram can end up top 2-3. Shallow lineup league so TE advantage is huge.
Golden Tate coming back in a few weeks, Barkley always there to take 10+ catches any week, Eli being Eli, Jones potentially could help or hinder Engram.
Trying to decide if I should go after Kelce or not using Engram or if the gap will be narrowed and Engram can end up top 2-3. Shallow lineup league so TE advantage is huge.
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Yenrub
Footballguy
Engram should continue to put up good numbers as long as he stays healthy. Outside of Barkley he is their best weapon. He will be heavily involved in the game plan each week.
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