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2021 New York football Giants (4 Viewers)

kodycutter said:
It was one hell of a run Joe....

@JordanRaanan
Joe Looney is retiring, per source. The former Cowboys OL was signed recently to provide depth on the line. A surprising turn of events. #giants #cowboys
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All it took was a few Joe Judge practices and Looney was like "No mas..."

 
If Judge is on the hot seat, I would consider that to be good news.  If Gettleman finally gets fired, I would consider that great news.  If Mara sells the team, now that would be the best news in a very long time.  Unfortunately, I don't expect any of those things to happen anytime soon.

 
RC94 said:
If Judge is on the hot seat, I would consider that to be good news.  If Gettleman finally gets fired, I would consider that great news.  If Mara sells the team, now that would be the best news in a very long time.  Unfortunately, I don't expect any of those things to happen anytime soon.
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I have no problem with Judge yet ... I think the players that want to play like him and the lazy bastards looking for an easy paycheck hate him . Oh well !

Gettleman is a complete disaster ... He cant seem to do anything right

 
RC94 said:
If Judge is on the hot seat, I would consider that to be good news.  If Gettleman finally gets fired, I would consider that great news.  If Mara sells the team, now that would be the best news in a very long time.  Unfortunately, I don't expect any of those things to happen anytime soon.
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100% agree on Gettleman. 

I can't imagine Mara selling the team ever. But hey, maybe one day Rooney Mara will be the owner.

 
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The Athletic: New York Giants training camp: 10 things we’ve learned from the first two weeks
 

The Giants kick off their third week of training camp on Monday. With 10 practices in the books, here are 10 things I’ve learned about the team:

1. The offensive line concerns haven’t been alleviated

The coaching staff’s patience grew thin with the offensive line during Saturday’s practice. Voices got louder from the sideline as the pocket for quarterback Daniel Jones got more crowded. Then the second-team offense was barely functional, as the pass rush completely disrupted play after play.

Saturday was the low point of camp for the offensive line, and many of the most pronounced struggles happened with second-team players who won’t make the final roster. But it’s still discouraging to see the unit with the most to prove have such a rough day.

The play of the interior offensive line has been the shakiest, which is understandable considering those players face Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence on a daily basis. Left guard Shane Lemieux hasn’t participated in full-team drills since injuring his knee in the second practice of camp, so the Giants have turned to journeyman Kenny Wiggins. It’s reasonable to expect the performance at left guard to improve when Lemieux returns (which should come soon), but he’s still largely an unknown. Will Hernandez’s play has been declining in recent seasons and it doesn’t look like the switch to right guard has turned things around.

The young tackles have been more solid, but the Giants are also decimated at edge rusher, so players like Niko Lalos and Trent Harris have been getting first-team reps at outside linebacker. That’s the yin and yang of evaluating intrasquad competition — is one side really that bad or is the other side just that good? Preseason games and joint practices will provide clearer answers, but the early returns in camp haven’t been encouraging for the offensive line.

2. The O-line needs reinforcements

It shouldn’t be a surprise that the second-team offensive line was overmatched on Saturday. The depth of the line took a blow with the sudden retirements of center Joe Looney and guard Zach Fulton during a three-day stretch last week.

Neither player was necessarily in line for a major role. It was revealed that Fulton was surprisingly behind Wiggins on the depth chart when Lemieux went down. Looney had more potential, as he jumped in as the second-team center immediately after signing last weekend.

But even if those players never played a snap this season, they at least provided a measure of comfort as depth due to their combined 132 career starts. The Giants have another experienced backup center (Jonotthan Harris has 42 career starts), but Fulton’s retirement left a group of unproven young players at guard.

The Giants signed Looney last weekend for a reason. He wasn’t just a camp body. So the hole he was expected to fill remains. Expect the Giants to add some reinforcements to the depth of the offensive line in the near future.

3. Players aren’t retiring because of Judge’s coaching style

It turned heads when Fulton, Looney and linebacker Todd Davis retired within four days last week, especially after wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin ripped Judge’s coaching style. But none of the players who retired last week had anything critical to say about Judge. Instead, all of the veterans seemingly just came to the realization that they were done with football.

Veteran tackle Nate Solder was asked if Judge’s rigorous conditioning requirements could have contributed to Looney’s retirement. Solder laughed off the suggestion.

“He’s a longtime veteran and I don’t think one time of exercise would change his decision, no,” Solder said.

It’s certainly unusual for a team to have three players retire in the first week of camp. But it’s not unprecedented. The Raiders have had three players retire since the start of camp, as well.

Insinuating that the Giants’ retirements can be traced to Judge making players run laps when they commit a penalty is foolish. That said, Judge’s practices are demanding with no downtime. Players are in pads often and Judge doesn’t shy away from full-contact drills.

It’s conceivable that a player on the fence about continuing his career could be swayed to hang them up after going through a few of those grueling practices. But these are significant life decisions that aren’t made because a player had to run a few sprints.

4. There’s more nuance to Judge than outsiders realize

The Giants’ full-team brawl last Tuesday wasn’t a particularly uncommon training camp sight. But Judge’s reaction to the brawl was unusual.

Judge went ballistic, demanding that every player head to the goal line. They proceeded to alternate between full-field sprints and pushups for 10 minutes. When the conditioning was over, Judge explained to the team in colorful language that fighting would not be tolerated.

It’s not a scene that is common in the NFL. So it’s understandable that former players and other league observers speculated that such acts could cause Judge to lose the locker room. But then player after player spoke to reporters and endorsed Judge’s ways.

“I think guys have bought in and know what to expect whenever you step on the field and when you’re playing under a guy like Coach Judge,” said wide receiver Sterling Shepard, the longest-tenured Giant. “If you don’t like it, then you’re welcome to leave.”

There are plenty of examples of hard-### coaches wearing out their welcomes quickly and — conveniently for those looking to generalize — a few of them came off the Bill Belichick tree, like Judge. The thing that, at least to this point, seems to separate Judge from the likes of Matt Patricia and Eric Mangini is his ability to communicate.

Judge explains his methods to players and enforces discipline consistently. So even if players don’t like that they have to run a lap for committing a penalty, Judge has already explained why they need to run (there are consequences in a game, so there are consequences in practice) and every player is subject to the same punishment.

Judge’s communication skills are evident every day in his news conferences (anyone claiming Judge is a Belichick clone needs only to tune in to see the stark differences). Then you listen to players regurgitate his message in their interviews, and it’s clear that his voice is being heard in the locker room.

Judge is unapologetically demanding. But he mixes in enough of a personal connection (like engaging in a ridiculous back-and-forth with safety Julian Love) to fortify bonds with his players.

“The great thing about Joe, and I have tremendous respect for him and what he’s all about, he’s the same guy that I’ve always known,” said Solder, who was in New England with Judge for six years. “I don’t think that he’s trying to put on airs. I don’t think he’s trying to be anything that he’s not. He’s exactly who he says he is and that’s just his integrity, and I think that’s shown through in the last week that I’ve been here.”

5. Jones needs to be smarter

Ask anyone within the Giants organization about Jones and you’ll invariably hear about his toughness. So he doesn’t need to prove it to anybody, especially during a training camp brawl.

It was foolish for Jones to put himself at risk by winding up at the bottom of the 90-player scrum. One 300-pound foot landing on Jones’ hand could derail the season.

When asked why he put himself in the middle of the scuffle, Jones said he doesn’t see himself as separate from the rest of the team. That’s an admirable mindset, but the reality is that the quarterback is different and no one would have lost any respect for Jones if he observed the fight from a safe distance.

6. The jury remains out on Jones

I’ve learned that it’s precarious to evaluate Jones in non-contact practices. He always looks the part in practice, but the question is if he’ll make better decisions against a live pass rush. Those answers won’t come until the season starts.

That preamble aside, there haven’t been any obvious signs of a Year 3 leap. Jones hasn’t uncorked any throws that have gone viral like Justin Herbert’s jaw-dropping bomb on the run in Chargers camp. By contrast, the Giants’ deep passing attack has been disjointed early in camp.

Jones has thrown many of his passes underneath, which could be by design. An emphasis for Jones has been getting the ball out more quickly this season, so that could explain the surplus of checkdowns.

It also bears mentioning that Jones has been without some of his top weapons. Running back Saquon Barkley (knee) and tight end Kyle Rudolph (foot) remain on the physically unable to perform list, while wide receiver Kenny Golladay is sidelined with a hamstring injury. Jones’ performance will be tracked throughout camp, but no verdict on his progress can be rendered until the real games start.

7. The offense needs to get moving

Offensive coordinator Jason Garrett made headlines last week for an awkward exchange when he chided reporters for not giving him an enthusiastic enough reply after he said, “Good to see you guys.” The far more offensive comment from Garrett came earlier when he was asked about the Giants’ lack of pre-snap motion last season.

“Motion is — obviously, if you followed our offense last year — a big part of what we’ve done,” Garrett said. “Last year, we ran a lot more of the no-huddle stuff around the line of scrimmage where you don’t run as much motion. We were using tempo: Sometimes we went fast, sometimes we went slow. We weren’t in the huddle as much last year — I don’t know if you guys could see that on TV — but that was one of the things that we did. Motion and shifting and movement, all that stuff has been a big part of what we’ve done in the past, and if we feel like it applies to a particular game plan, we’ll certainly use it.”

It’s hard to make a case that pre-snap motion was a big part of the offense considering the Giants used it on 36.5 percent of their snaps last season, which ranked 25th in the league. The Giants did go no-huddle on 23.3 percent of their snaps last season, which ranked second behind only the Cardinals. Motion is naturally reduced when going up-tempo because the point is to snap the ball as quickly as possible, so any movement before the snap is limited.

The question is if the Giants will change their approach this season, considering their no-huddle-heavy offense ranked 31st in the league in scoring. And it’s not as if the Giants reprised Chip Kelly’s turbo no-huddle attack; the Giants snapped the ball with an average of 9.4 seconds on the play clock, which was the 18th fastest average in the league.

Adding rookie wide receiver Kadarius Toney to the mix should lead to an increase in pre-snap motion. Toney will be a threat on jet sweeps, so putting him in motion at the snap will cause defenders to react, which should help open things up for the offense. Toney’s workload has been limited, but there have been glimpses of him being deployed in that fashion.

8. Toney is going to have to earn everything

The Giants have brought their first-round pick along very slowly. Toney was activated from the COVID-19/reserve list the day before camp opened, but he spent the first five practices on the side with trainers since the team doesn’t want to rush players back from the virus.

Toney gradually got more involved in practice as the second week of camp progressed, earning some first-team reps on Saturday. Toney has to prove to the coaching staff that he’s worthy of a significant role.

“Kadarius is just like all the rest of these rookies, he’s got to earn his way. Nobody comes in here and is given anything. You’re going to earn everything you get,” special-teams coordinator Thomas McGaughey said. “We all saw the tape about the kid. He has speed, he has quickness, all those things. But this ain’t ‘The Swamp.’ This is the Meadowlands.”

Coaches have given Toney praise for his attentiveness in meetings and his enthusiasm on the field. But it’s clear that the 22-year-old needs to develop on and off the field.

“The biggest thing for him is being a pro,” wide receivers coach Tyke Tolbert said. “There are guys who come into the league and just don’t know how to be a pro. They’re used to having a lot of structure, people telling them what to do all the time. Here in the NFL, you don’t have that. You’re here for a little bit and then you’re off at 6:30, 7 o’clock and you’re on your own a lot. So doing the right things when you’re away from here (is important) — eating right, getting your proper rest, getting treatment, all that stuff.”

9. Depth chart comes into focus

Wide receiver John Ross has taken the most reps with the first-team offense during Golladay’s absence. Ross’ speed showed up on Saturday when he took a slant from Jones and blew through the defense for a touchdown. Ross, who received $1 million guaranteed from the Giants this offseason, has a strong hold on a roster spot.

Receivers C.J. Board and David Sills have also gotten plenty of reps with the first-team offense, and they’ve each made plays. Special teams will play a large role in determining that battle. Board has more experience in the kicking game, so it will be important for Sills to make an impression in preseason games.

The Giants will have different packages based on the game plan and they’ll often only play with two defensive linemen. But Austin Johnson appears to be the top nose tackle in their base 3-4 defense between Williams and Lawrence.

Ifeadi Odenigbo’s role will be narrowed to pass-rushing situations. Odenigbo has been working at outside linebacker, but he lined up as an interior defensive lineman next to Williams in a defensive back-heavy sub package. Expect that to be his primary role.

Defensive coordinator Patrick Graham will be tasked with finding playing time for three talented safeties. Expect Logan Ryan and Jabrill Peppers to be the starting safeties in the base defense. Xavier McKinney will be heavily involved in sub packages, with Peppers shifting into a pseudo-linebacker spot. Fourth safety Julian Love will find a way onto the field somehow, as well. Love got some reps as the first-team slot cornerback last week to further display his versatility.

Special teams play a big role in roster decisions, especially for a head coach with an extensive background in the kicking game. Here are the players starting on at least three of the four core units (kickoff, kickoff return, punt, punt return): Love, fullback Eli Penny, linebacker Cam Brown, linebacker Devante Downs and cornerback Madre Harper. Players starting on two units: Ryan, Peppers, Board, running back Gary Brightwell, fullback Cullen Gillaspia and linebacker T.J. Brunson.

10. Alumni are welcomed

Judge has made it known that he wants former players around the current team as much as possible. Phil Simms, Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Mathias Kiwanuka took Judge up on his invitation last week.

Tuck, Umenyiora and Kiwanuka spoke to the team after attending practice last Monday. Umenyiora observed that the team appears to be taking on the personality of Judge, which he said occurred when the Giants won two Super Bowls under Tom Coughlin. Simms addressed the team after Wednesday’s practice and then had a lengthy discussion with Judge.

“Some organizations, you kind of come and go. This is one of the different ones where history matters, history carries over,” Judge said. “I want our players to understand the pressure they should have on them from past players who achieved great things here.”
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This is shaping up to be one of the worst Olines in history ... and that is not an overreaction 

  • Hernandez - has not looked good at RG adnd has been declining since his rookie season 
  • Lemiuex - Has never looked good and is injured and missing valuable time 
  • Soldier - supposedly looks lile he has lost some body mass and doesnt look like an NFL tackle
  • Harrison - Back Center has had at least a couple of bad snaps 
  • Peart - has had back issues 
  • The second teamOline, what is left of it,  has been unplayable according to those articles. Add the only veteran backup has been benched on occasion for false starts  
What a shame it will be to have to start over because of the absoulte neglect of the worst Oline in Football. What should be one of the best offenses in the NFL, could very likely be one of the worst

Gettleman should be charged with GM malpractice

 
monk said:
This is shaping up to be one of the worst Olines in history ... and that is not an overreaction 

  • Hernandez - has not looked good at RG adnd has been declining since his rookie season 
  • Lemiuex - Has never looked good and is injured and missing valuable time 
  • Soldier - supposedly looks lile he has lost some body mass and doesnt look like an NFL tackle
  • Harrison - Back Center has had at least a couple of bad snaps 
  • Peart - has had back issues 
  • The second teamOline, what is left of it,  has been unplayable according to those articles. Add the only veteran backup has been benched on occasion for false starts  
What a shame it will be to have to start over because of the absoulte neglect of the worst Oline in Football. What should be one of the best offenses in the NFL, could very likely be one of the worst

Gettleman should be charged with GM malpractice
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Soooo... 100 dump offs to Saquan this year.

 
I just saw these stats on TV

Daniel Jones without Saquon: 15 games - 12 TD - 13 INT - 199 passing yards per game

Daniel Jones WITH Saquon: 11 games - 23 TD - 9 INT - 269 passing yards per game

Jones is going to owe Saquon a lot of money if he ever signs a lucrative 2nd deal with the Giants

 
Yenrub said:
I just saw these stats on TV

Daniel Jones without Saquon: 15 games - 12 TD - 13 INT - 199 passing yards per game

Daniel Jones WITH Saquon: 11 games - 23 TD - 9 INT - 269 passing yards per game

Jones is going to owe Saquon a lot of money if he ever signs a lucrative 2nd deal with the Giants
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That is encouraging ...if the Giants sign 2 OLinemen this week

 
monk said:
That is encouraging ...if the Giants sign 2 OLinemen this week
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I think it’s encouraging because for the most part both sets of numbers are from behind the same bad OL.

I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for some free agent OL to come in and save the day.

I just hope that Jones can show that he is capable of being the long-term answer at QB, so that the Giants can use those two first round picks next year on an elite pass rusher and an elite offensive lineman.

 
Yenrub said:
I just saw these stats on TV

Daniel Jones without Saquon: 15 games - 12 TD - 13 INT - 199 passing yards per game

Daniel Jones WITH Saquon: 11 games - 23 TD - 9 INT - 269 passing yards per game

Jones is going to owe Saquon a lot of money if he ever signs a lucrative 2nd deal with the Giants
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There's a huge drop in talent from Barkley to whoever has been the #2 since he was drafted so those numbers aren't surprising.  Barkley has missed nearly half of his career so far.  Gettleman should have provided better depth at a position that typically gets injured more than others.

 
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monk said:
This is shaping up to be one of the worst Olines in history ... and that is not an overreaction 

  • Hernandez - has not looked good at RG adnd has been declining since his rookie season 
  • Lemiuex - Has never looked good and is injured and missing valuable time 
  • Soldier - supposedly looks lile he has lost some body mass and doesnt look like an NFL tackle
  • Harrison - Back Center has had at least a couple of bad snaps 
  • Peart - has had back issues 
  • The second teamOline, what is left of it,  has been unplayable according to those articles. Add the only veteran backup has been benched on occasion for false starts  
What a shame it will be to have to start over because of the absoulte neglect of the worst Oline in Football. What should be one of the best offenses in the NFL, could very likely be one of the worst

Gettleman should be charged with GM malpractice
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It really is infuriating.  

By my count, we haven't drafted a pro-bowl offensive linemen since 2004 (Snee) and the last FA signing that had the impact you need was Kareem McKenzie (2005).

 
Yenrub said:
I think it’s encouraging because for the most part both sets of numbers are from behind the same bad OL.

I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for some free agent OL to come in and save the day.

I just hope that Jones can show that he is capable of being the long-term answer at QB, so that the Giants can use those two first round picks next year on an elite pass rusher and an elite offensive lineman.
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They should do that regardless ... Maybe even 2 Olinemen if there are 2 elite ones avilable.

To waste those 2 picks on a QB who will get killed behind that Oline is just throwing 1st rounders away.

If the Oline is as bad as it looks like it will be ... No QB or RB in the NFL is going to look good behind it. 

They will have essentially thrown away 6 of there last 7 1st round picks in Baker, Saquan, Jones, arguably Toney and at least 2 1st RD Picks next year and their offense and QB will still suck in 2022-23 season.

 
Practice Highlights

Devontae Booker fumble on his first carry of the night ...drew boos from the fans 

Evan Engram dropped a short pass from Daniel Jones in 7-on-7 and was lustily booed. 

Rookie wide receiver Kadarius Toney did not practice ... BUST !!! Mark it Down!!!

Reserve offensive linemen Kenny Wiggins and Brett Heggie each left practice during 11-on-11 drills to be checked for unknown injuries. At one point during a walk-through session the Giants were so short of offensive linemen that assistant coach Ben Wilkerson, a former NFL player, lined up at left guard.

 
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monk said:
They should do that regardless ... Maybe even 2 Olinemen if there are 2 elite ones avilable.

To waste those 2 picks on a QB who will get killed behind that Oline is just throwing 1st rounders away.

If the Oline is as bad as it looks like it will be ... No QB or RB in the NFL is going to look good behind it. 

They will have essentially thrown away 6 of there last 7 1st round picks in Baker, Saquan, Jones, arguably Toney and at least 2 1st RD Picks next year and their offense and QB will still suck in 2022-23 season.
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The Giants spent big money on guys with recent injury concerns, Golladay & Jackson so I don’t get why they didn’t take a chance on Trey Smith the OL from Tennessee in the 6th round. I hear Smith is tearing it up in Chiefs camp so far.

 
Yenrub said:
The Giants spent big money on guys with recent injury concerns, Golladay & Jackson so I don’t get why they didn’t take a chance on Trey Smith the OL from Tennessee in the 6th round. I hear Smith is tearing it up in Chiefs camp so far.
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And pass up projected Priority free agent RB Gary Brightwell !?!?!?

Are you crazy???

Jeezus ... you cant even make this #### up 

 
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Yenrub said:
Not sure who the heck Jones was trying to throw to there. It’s that type of #### that he simply cannot keep doing. It’s a piss poor decision, take the sack don’t just throw the ball up for grabs.

The other problem with that video is the Hernandez completely misses his assignment, he gets “fooled” by the stunt.

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Yeah if he's not wearing a red jersey that's a sack

I *think* Toney stopped his dig route (#89 on the right) but even if he continues it's still a bad decision that is likely getting picked off

missed his WR by 8 yards, which I could actually see if it's like a timing out route where you throw before the WR breaks and it's based on a zone read

but in this case it's baffling what he thinks is there

 
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
The #Giants finally added some offensive line depth: 

They signed guard Ted Larsen, a center/guard with 88 NFL starts.

 
monk said:
Rookie wide receiver Kadarius Toney did not practice ... BUST !!! Mark it Down!!!
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It's absolutely baffling to me why a fan would hurry to label a rookie a bust so early on, and keep on doing so with any little speck of evidence that shows up. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were actually actively rooting for it to happen just so you could be proven right.

It's like the opposite of what I'd expect a fan of a team to do, and yet I see (read) it more and more with Giants fans lately.  I just don't get it.

 
Yenrub said:
The Giants spent big money on guys with recent injury concerns, Golladay & Jackson so I don’t get why they didn’t take a chance on Trey Smith the OL from Tennessee in the 6th round. I hear Smith is tearing it up in Chiefs camp so far.
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I know what you mean, but I think there's a big difference between recent injuries and actual health concerns. I also think it's funny reading how the Chiefs had no concerns whatever over his health yet waited until pick 226 to choose a guy they had rated in the 80s. Something doesn't add up there.

No matter though. If the Giants had picked him, their sorry beat writers and half their fans would focus on anything spotty in his play, or the idea that his playing well against their own d-line meant that the Giants DL stinks, and of course, how Gettleman was a moron for picking a guy with lung blood clot issues in his past when every other GM had the good sense to pass on him over 6 full rounds.

 
jhib said:
It's absolutely baffling to me why a fan would hurry to label a rookie a bust so early on, and keep on doing so with any little speck of evidence that shows up. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were actually actively rooting for it to happen just so you could be proven right.

It's like the opposite of what I'd expect a fan of a team to do, and yet I see (read) it more and more with Giants fans lately.  I just don't get it.
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I actually resent Gettleman for this pick because it was so bad that ANYONE could have made a better pick for the Giants at 20. There were much much much bigger needs (Oline) and much much much  better players avialble. This doesnt even account for the Red Flags that were flat out ignored.  And I know that Toney is supposed to have decent hands but wathcing video of this guy he does not look like a ntaural pass catcher at all  ... but none of that matters if he's not even on the field

I now resent Toney because he is doing everything in his power to make sure that he is a huge bust ... and it doesnt even matter because the Giants do not have a need for him ... they have plenty of WRs and RBs ...there's no place for Toney 

I do not see any scenario where this guy lives up to his 20th selection in the draft ... I'd be happy to be wrong but right now i'm flat out digusted with this pick 

 
jhib said:
I know what you mean, but I think there's a big difference between recent injuries and actual health concerns. I also think it's funny reading how the Chiefs had no concerns whatever over his health yet waited until pick 226 to choose a guy they had rated in the 80s. Something doesn't add up there.

No matter though. If the Giants had picked him, their sorry beat writers and half their fans would focus on anything spotty in his play, or the idea that his playing well against their own d-line meant that the Giants DL stinks, and of course, how Gettleman was a moron for picking a guy with lung blood clot issues in his past when every other GM had the good sense to pass on him over 6 full rounds.
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If the Giants had picked Trey Smith in the 6th round over Brightwell you wanted hear a peep from the fans or beat writers. 

Oh man !!!! We took a highly rated Olineman over Gary Brightwell!!!!!!! What were we thinking!!

 
kodycutter said:
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
The #Giants finally added some offensive line depth: 

They signed guard Ted Larsen, a center/guard with 88 NFL starts.
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Better than nothing but this guy is not very highly rated by PFF ... There is beter available but Gettlepuke is being stubborn

 
jhib said:
It's absolutely baffling to me why a fan would hurry to label a rookie a bust so early on, and keep on doing so with any little speck of evidence that shows up. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were actually actively rooting for it to happen just so you could be proven right.

It's like the opposite of what I'd expect a fan of a team to do, and yet I see (read) it more and more with Giants fans lately.  I just don't get it.
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seriously, can we see him in some regular season games before we mark this down?  sheesh.

 
kodycutter said:
who do you want them to sign?
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Austin Reiter, Joe Dahl , Dj Fluker, Kelechi Osemele,  probably even Warmack who at least had the 1st rd pedigree and is 4 years younger. Warmack was also at Bama when Judge was there

 
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monk said:
Austin Reiter, Joe Dahl , Dj Fluker, Kelechi Osemele,  probably even Warmack who at least had the 1st rd pedigree and is 4 years younger. Warmack was also at Bama when Judge was there
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Reiter - looks like a Center for the most part.   Rather stick with Gates.

Dahl - released by the Lions after a failed physical on 3/15

Fluker - He was placed on injured reserve on July 29, 2021 after undergoing surgery for a torn meniscus.   He was released on August 2, 2021. (Miami)

Kelechi - (KC) He started the first five games at left guard before suffering torn tendons in both his knees in Week 5. He was placed on injured reserve on October 17, 2020.

Warmack - (SEA)  On August 1, 2020, he opted out of the 2020 season due to the COVID-19 pandemic.  He was released after the season on February 8, 2021.   Didn't play in 2019.

None of those guys move the needle for me.

 
kodycutter said:
Reiter

Reiter - looks like a Center for the most part.   Rather stick with Gates.

Dahl - released by the Lions after a failed physical on 3/15

Fluker - He was placed on injured reserve on July 29, 2021 after undergoing surgery for a torn meniscus.   He was released on August 2, 2021. (Miami)

Kelechi - (KC) He started the first five games at left guard before suffering torn tendons in both his knees in Week 5. He was placed on injured reserve on October 17, 2020.

Warmack - (SEA)  On August 1, 2020, he opted out of the 2020 season due to the COVID-19 pandemic.  He was released after the season on February 8, 2021.   Didn't play in 2019.

None of those guys move the needle for me.
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Larson is is 34 ... Sat out 2020 and had 2 Starts for Miami in 2019 ... PFF Ranked The Dolphins line 32nd after the 2019 season. 

You cant honestly say that you would rather have Larson than Reiter ... that makes no sense at all.   

Dahl being released was a salary cap move. Both he and Shelton (signed by the Giants) were both released due to failed physicals ...  but are expected to play this season 

 
monk said:
Larson is is 34 ... Sat out 2020 and had 2 Starts for Miami in 2019 ... PFF Ranked The Dolphins line 32nd after the 2019 season. 

You cant honestly say that you would rather have Larson than Reiter ... that makes no sense at all.   

Dahl being released was a salary cap move. Both he and Shelton (signed by the Giants) were both released due to failed physicals ...  but are expected to play this season 
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Is Larsen or any of the guys you like a long term solution here?   I don't think any of them are, so I'm not really worked up over depth signings.

 
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Injury updates from Giants in advance of Joe Judge's conference call, set for 12:30:

T.J. Brunson tore his ACL
Josh Kalu tore his pec

Tough news for both as they were competing on the back end for roster spots

 
kodycutter said:
Is Larsen or any of the guys you like a long term solution here?   I don't think any of them are, so I'm not really worked up over depth signings.
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The point is .... This team is doomed with the Oline as is. We need stop gap players right now ...and we can trade for or draft long term solutions later on.

The Giants have the Offensive weapons and defense to make it to the playoffs ... They need Oline despeartely 

Reiter imrpoves the Oline in 3 ways ...Upgrades Center (he has been much better than Gates) Upgrades Guard (Gates is Better than lemeuix) and gives them depth at C/ G ... how is that not win? 

 
kodycutter said:
Aaron Wilson
@AaronWilson_NFL
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Texans trading Keion Crossen (CB) to the New York Giants for undisclosed draft pick, per a league source
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In desperate need of depth along the offensive line, the New York Giants made a trade on Monday. 

The Giants have sent a 2023 sixth-round draft pick to the Houston Texans in exchange for cornerback Keion Crossen.

Crossen, 25, was a seventh-round pick of the New England Patriots in the 2018 NFL draft. After one season in Foxborough, where he was a special team standout under Joe Judge, 

WTF? C'mon???  Gianst special teams sucked last year after investing an unreasonable amount of resources in STs

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/16/new-york-giants-acquire-keion-crossen-trade-houston-texans-draft-pick/

 
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