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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (30 Viewers)
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I think there’s a zero percent chance he’s ever back given the wording of the statement.
Major
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A young Nia Long really was a sight to see. Now, not as much.
the moops
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I am very happy to not live in Boston anymore so that I can completely avoid this ****ty sports talk garbage
Anarchy99
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There was more to it than that and it sort of made sense. After the news broke, they mentioned he doesn’t really want to be there and the team doesn’t want him there either. But he didn’t want to quit and lose the money on his contract and refused to quit.
Apparently there was some internal debate if Ime had violated his conduct unbecoming clause that would allow them to fire him with cause (and not pay him a dime). The middle ground was to suspend him for the entire season while leaving the door open a crack to be able to bring him back next year.
No one really things he’ll coach in Boston again, they just need to figure out the logistics and mechanisms to move on and not owe him anything. That being said, there was also a lot of speculation as to what else happened and whether it’s way worse than what has been reported. It’s the harshest penalty in the history of the NBA . . . and the league wasn’t even the party that implemented it. Affairs happen and are not that uncommon and people aren’t suspended for an entire season or fired.
the moops
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But the thing is, there has been zero reporting on anything like this up to this point. At least I haven't seen anything like this. So, to me, it seems like someone is just making **** up to see what sticks and to generate clicks
Juxtatarot
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The part I find most unbelievable is the Nets making a coaching change and hiring Udoka this close to camp opening.
Anarchy99
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Udoka not wanting to be there was a recent development AFTER he got caught doing whatever he was doing. The situation now is incredibly awkward and neither party wants to be tied to the other. Continuing in the rumors and speculation department, there was gossip this morning that Ime had relationships with two white women who were married to Celtics staff. Udoke got in deeper trouble when he allegedly started talking about one of them in a disparaging manner to people in the organization. Like I said, who knows what he did or didn't do, but that was the latest I heard as of this morning. To further the rumor mongering, the situation allegedly came out internally to the Celtics organization in July, and the team has been investigating and trying to figure out how to handle the situation ever since.
I don't think he had any intention of coaching anywhere else prior to all this hitting the fan. The hot take of him potentially wanting to go to Brooklyn was speculation based on him already having coached there and being liked by their players. That's where the on-air people connected the dots and suggested he might want to go back to the Nets at some point (probably next year). No one really knows what happened, as the Celtics haven't said anything about it yet. Udoka issued a boilerplate apology and said he would have no other comments. So for now, it's as clear as mud.
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modogg
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they covered a lot though, and think they hit on a ton of stuff, like the shooting for one:
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it just seems like most have made their mind up about Ben and it won't make much of a difference until we see him play this fall
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they covered a lot though, and think they hit on a ton of stuff, like the shooting for one:
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it just seems like most have made their mind up about Ben and it won't make much of a difference until we see him play this fall
Well, yea. He hasn't played in 18 months, and the last thing we saw was someone scared for an entire playoffs.
Long Ball Larry
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i can't imagine a less honest conversation about his shooting.they covered a lot though, and think they hit on a ton of stuff, like the shooting for one:
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it just seems like most have made their mind up about Ben and it won't make much of a difference until we see him play this fall
JJ asks a question about the shooting "narrative" with 38 qualifiers, while Ben sips his wine.
Then Ben claims that the shooting thing is not fair because people don't recognize his defense, even though, oh I don't know, he was voted to the all-defense team.
Then JJ makes a vague comparison to Giannis not be perfect, never acknowledging that Giannis missed 80,000 free throws but kept going back to the line and being aggressive on the biggest stage and continues to do everything he can to improve.
Then JJ points out that Ben creates the most threes in the league and Ben smiles so smugly, like yeah, my shooting doesn't matter, everyone else is the problem. Ben has looked at the numbers.
All of this is just talking around and evading the real question of why is he like the only player of the last 20 years who never would take a shot and has barely shown any evidence of trying to shoot in a game and has continually regressed in even trying to do that on the court. That is the problem. The problem is not that he is not a good shooter or that people are being unfair. The question that I want him to answer is why wouldn't he try to actually try to work on these things in the games and show offensive development. He was clearly able to work on his defensive game and improve there, and improved in some of the way that he controlled the flow of the offense. But he still refuses to acknowledge the fact that he has never shown anyone any palpable efforts to improve his shooting, which, as great as he is at many other things, would absolutely help him and his team. That is why I think he is still disingenuous about the whole thing.
I haven't "made up my mind" about anything. I'm just telling you what comes across in the interview. If he does show the things on the court that I am saying he hasn't, then obviously that new information will need to be incorporated.
mr. furley
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ah. no wonder the Celtics fired him and Boston wants him gone.
Anarchy99
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I "haven't made up my mind" on Ben. But the facts are the facts. When we last saw him play, he was passing up uncontested dunks, didn't want the ball, and couldn't make free throws in the playoffs. Then he missed a year for whatever reasons (holdout / mental health / back injury) . . . his second entire season that he missed in his career. He had some minor injuries the last two years he did play. And he's made 14% of his 3-pointers and 59% of his free throws in his career. He torpedoed the hopes, dreams, and aspirations of not one, but TWO teams last season.
He's also a 16/8/8 guy, so he clearly contributes when he is on the court and was on two All Defense teams. Sure, he could work on his deficiencies as a player (which I am not convinced he has been trying to do), he could have a stretch where he stays healthy, and he could get his mind right and focus on playing good basketball. I'm not sure Ben has turned over a new leaf, but he could still be a decent contributor even with his warts and blemishes (if he actual gets on the basketball court).
He's also a 16/8/8 guy, so he clearly contributes when he is on the court and was on two All Defense teams. Sure, he could work on his deficiencies as a player (which I am not convinced he has been trying to do), he could have a stretch where he stays healthy, and he could get his mind right and focus on playing good basketball. I'm not sure Ben has turned over a new leaf, but he could still be a decent contributor even with his warts and blemishes (if he actual gets on the basketball court).
Anarchy99
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Yeah, there some was additional discussion on what legal issues and liabilities the Celtics might have throughout all this. Conceivably, they face a sexual harassment lawsuit from the women and a discrimination suit from Udoka. We still don't know everything that he was doing, so there could also be accusations that management knew what was happening and either looked the other way or allowed it to continue without intervening. If Brad Stevens is found to have been complicit in allowing things to continue, he could be forced out as well (to be clear, there is nothing to indicate he had anything to do with this as of now). Lots of hot takes and whatabouts for now and no official statements as to what Ime actual did or didn't do. That will only fuel people to come up with conspiracy theories and get the media to dig even deeper.
the moops
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Or we could just let it play out and not speculate?
NewlyRetired
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I am amazed there were no leaks until yesterday.
ESPN is reporting that Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck hired an external law firm a month ago to do a full invetigation. It is unclear whether they were hired specifically for this case or if they were hired in general and then uncovered this specific problem with the coach.
ESPN is reporting that Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck hired an external law firm a month ago to do a full invetigation. It is unclear whether they were hired specifically for this case or if they were hired in general and then uncovered this specific problem with the coach.
Anarchy99
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Grousbeck and Brad Stevens held a press conference today about the Ime situation. They didn't have a lot to say for legal reasons. That should tell us at least where this might be going. They did say Udoka had multiple violations and infractions (whatever that means). Stevens was upset that people tried figuring which Celtics staff members might be involved, as several women on staff got the brunt of it on Twitter last night and people need to leave them alone. Unfortunately, they didn't offer an explanation as to what happened, but they did say a full year suspension was absolutely justified and warranted.
Capella
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With the way Stephens sounded and looked there is no chance Udoka coaches there again. Zero.
Craig_MiamiFL
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The Time Lord going to be seeing some down time.
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Celtics say Robert Williams underwent surgery on his left knee and will be sidelined 8-to-12 weeks.
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Celtics say Robert Williams underwent surgery on his left knee and will be sidelined 8-to-12 weeks.
Anarchy99
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That's longer than the 6-8 week range that was initially given.
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the moops
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Agree. Wonder if they are "suspending" him just so they can go through the proper legal channels and not have to pay his remaining salary. What a nightmare after coming off a finals appearance and having championship hopes
Capella
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That’s what I assumed. Maybe forcing him to quit? I don’t know exactly. If they have enough to suspend him they certainly have enough to fire him with cause.
mr. furley
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Ramona Shelburne reported on Dan Patrick's show that the investigation included 320 witnesses and was summarized in 43 pages.
seems like whatever Udoka and (the unnamed party) were doing was in the open and they weren't trying to hide it. 320 witnesses!
seems like whatever Udoka and (the unnamed party) were doing was in the open and they weren't trying to hide it. 320 witnesses!
Long Ball Larry
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holy crow
Leeroy Jenkins
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Do we think Stevens decides to coach for the season at some point? Having some young assistant take over a team with Finals aspirations seems like a waste of a season.
Major
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Looks like he took the FFA's advice and slept with Brad's wife
Jayrod
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I'll be thoroughly shocked if Stevens ever goes back to the bench.
He doesn't make rash decisions and doesn't have that Pat Riley ego. He's a firm believer in staying the course no matter what curveballs come and his course is as GM, not coach.
Yo Mama
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I’m thinking about setting up a 2022-2023 NBA season draft before the season starts if people are interested. I’m pretty sure I’ve nailed down the format, but I’m not sure how we determine a “winner”.
- Have everyone vote/rank teams before and after the season
- Do some type of statistical/fantasy measurement
- Dust off the WhatIfSports or some other type of sim if it exists
- Cut to the chase and name @Frostillicus the champion
Thoughts?
- Have everyone vote/rank teams before and after the season
- Do some type of statistical/fantasy measurement
- Dust off the WhatIfSports or some other type of sim if it exists
- Cut to the chase and name @Frostillicus the champion
Thoughts?
Frostillicus
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Part 4 is my favorite part but I'm in for all the parts.
ShamrockPride
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Imagine waiting until the end of the offseason to get surgery....
MAC_32
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I'm very confident it was mutual. Sexton thinks he's a starter and that wasn't happening here. Important couple months for Okoro to level up and embrace his role. What's the wing market look like should he turn belly up? Probably makes sense to plan on a move even if he takes the next step though. I suspect keeping Love around is important to management, but LeVert could be an enticing expiring contract to a seller if the right contract is available on the market. I don't follow the NBA outside of the Cavs though - hence, my question.
Juxtatarot
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I saw a rumor that they were interested in trading for Jae Crowder but teams mostly stay pat this time of year. Usually sellers emerge later into the season as a handful of teams will undoubtedly underperform. They usually then hold out until the trade deadline to try to maximize their return.
Long Ball Larry
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I'm sure there was a reason they did it that way. They probably initially wanted to try to avoid surgery and thought there was a better than 50% chance that he could recover with just rehab. But then things were not progressing right and they had to change course.
Instinctive
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I would very much be in
Desert_Power
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My vote is 3, but down regardless.
FairWarning
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The Bulls have taken a big step back with the Lonzo Ball news - he MAY be back this year. They really need a PG.
Juxtatarot
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There is optimism that the surgery yesterday went well and he’ll be back. It’s been a long road, though, so who knows.
They have decent depth at PG with Caruso, Ayo Dosunmo, and Dragic (who played well for Slovenia this summer).
dunfee555
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I'd be in.
FairWarning
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Isn‘t his injury like the Penny Hardaway injury?
dunfee555
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Hopefully a combination of Okoro, Osman and Wade can hold down the fort in the short term. I actually think Wade may be the best option there with his size over the other guys unless Okoro has greatly improved as a shooter.
As for other options for trade around mid-season, the wing market is always pretty bare. Crowder is intriguing, but not sure who/what the Cavs could offer that would entice a win-now team like Pheonix. Other options could be Eric Gordon (Hou, good defender and playmaker/doesn't improve the shooting issue), Moe Harkless (OKC, could be earlier if he gets bought out), Duncan Robinson (MIA, excellent shooter with good size/way overpaid so not sure how to match salaries), Josh Richarson (SAS, could thrive in a simplified role as an average shooter/defender) or Doug McDermott (SAS, provides good size and excellent shooting). My dream candidate is/was Anunoby from Toronto. He expressed some displeasure in his situation there last year, but don't think the Cavs have anything left to give up for him.
Kemba Walker is available
Juxtatarot
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I don’t think so. I’d forgotten what happened to Penny exactly but here’s an article. Lonzo initially had meniscus surgery and a bone bruise. Not much has been released about this second surgery (that I’ve found) other than it was an “arthroscopic debridement” and supposedly went well.
I’m no doctor, though. Did someone report it being similar to Penny’s?
FairWarning
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I thought I heard it referenced to Penny’s before. Seems for a minor procedure, its taking much longer and not so minor anymore.
Juxtatarot
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Yes, whenever a player fails to get better after an initial surgery, there is reason to be extra concerned about another one.
I heard a joke that a “minor surgery” is one that happens to someone else.
Moe.
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ESPN Sources: The Oklahoma City Thunder are trading Derrick Favors, Ty Jerome, Moe Harkless, Theo Maledon and a 2025 second-round pick via Atlanta to the Houston Rockets for David Nwaba, Sterling Brown, Trey Burke and Marquese Chriss.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1575651435823628288
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