Leeroy Jenkins
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He was shooting 3s like that in the preseason too.
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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (4 Viewers)
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Only 5 games, but 0-5 isn’t a good look for Darvin Ham and the Lakers.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Who is this source?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
It’s the whole delco ref mafia
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I hope things have finally clicked for Lauri Markkanen. As a Bulls homer, you saw these glimpses where he could be a top PF in the league, and then he would give two weeks of 8 points/5 boards/1 assist matched with turnstyle defense.
Cmon, do you actually think he has one? lol
mr. furley
Footballguy
you listened to this, too? https://whistleblowerpod.com/
Kev4029
Footballguy
I was at the game tonight and the thing that surprised me the most was that he was really moving around well looking like a better athlete in years past.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Same person who told me Castellanos was signing with the Phillies and it happened the next day
DJackson10
Footballguy
NBA has been trying to silence him for yrs. Stern tried covering this up real fast because he knew Tim would spill the beens on the op if caught.
DJackson10
Footballguy
No one else just a source. Basically he said he could be gone with in the next few weeks. Really depends if they turn it around before then or not. But theres a ton of in fighting right now Either way it's a cluster **** in that organization. Won't be surprised within the next year or so if people are still there you get a lot of leaks from both sides. It's a lot of throwing a dart on the board and hoping they hit a bullseye. No real plan but not surprising considering the stuff I heard right before Ben was drafted. Sounds like nothing has changed since then.
If the losing continues don't be surprised if guys start acting out.
DJackson10
Footballguy
The G league Ignite just got promoted to the NBA and we're relegating the Lakers to G league for the rest of the season
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Sounds like it’s some sort of mental health thing possibly. Primo said something about dealing with a previous trauma in his life and needing to work through some things. Or maybe it’s a drug issue stemming from using as a coping mechanism? Just 100% speculating on that last one as to why a team would outright cut a guy if it was just a guy trying to get right mentally,
Breaking News Everybody! He maybe could possibly be gone depending on things!
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Yep, here is the statement he put out: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1586180446873743362?s=46&t=0Dk8hjgLtVOAi7KQfz16Ew
The San Antonio Spurs' release of guard Joshua Primo -- the No. 12 pick in the 2021 NBA draft -- stemmed from multiple alleged instances of him exposing himself to women, sources told ESPN on Saturday.
whoknew
Footballguy
Eek
Major
Footballguy
Bol Bol > Mo Bamba
DJackson10
Footballguy
If you got a problem with me just be man enough to say it. I've put you on ignore but people keep messaging me about your immature post to me and your constant laughing reactions on my post. I've had you on ignore for awhile like others in the Eagles thread have too. No need for the childish behavior.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Whats with all the perverts in the NBA? Actually I'm not surprised considering some former athletes I know and stories I've heard. But seriously these athletes are stupid these days thinking they won't be caught.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
What a ****!
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Warriors lose tonight, and Klay struggles again. The team looked a lot better when he was on the bench tonight.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
They threw all their chips in the James Harden basket and now have to live with that. Firing the coach won't do much when your Owner and GM don't have the balls to hire a coach who holds players accountable.
There is no way to hold players accountable without widespread use of non guaranteed contracts.
Even with those in place, the small handful of elite players often close to irreplaceable.
Barry Bonds was blackballed out of MLB by 2008. If he was playing in a long term era where only three players were hitting 40 home runs a year, some team would find a way to overlook everything and would have signed him. Bonds could have DH'ed for another decade from the time he actually technically stopped playing baseball. Would he have been MVP Bonds that entire time? No, but could he hit 20 home runs and give you 80 RBIs plus over a 100 walks a year cleanly and reliably? Probably and a bit more.
But it's not totally impossible to find power hitters.
Very few people can do what Kevin Durant does. If Durant killed someone in cold blood, the Nets, Nike and the NBA would probably cover it up. Would they do that for Chris Chiozza? Yeah, he'd get the electric chair.
Elite players run their teams. You have to hope your favorite franchise gets a guy like Steph Curry or Steve Nash or Tim Duncan. Who aren't divas.
DJackson10
Footballguy
They threw all their chips in the James Harden basket and now have to live with that. Firing the coach won't do much when your Owner and GM don't have the balls to hire a coach who holds players accountable.
There is no way to hold players accountable without widespread use of non guaranteed contracts.
Even with those in place, the small handful of elite players often close to irreplaceable.
Barry Bonds was blackballed out of MLB by 2008. If he was playing in a long term era where only three players were hitting 40 home runs a year, some team would find a way to overlook everything and would have signed him. Bonds could have DH'ed for another decade from the time he actually technically stopped playing baseball. Would he have been MVP Bonds that entire time? No, but could he hit 20 home runs and give you 80 RBIs plus over a 100 walks a year cleanly and reliably? Probably and a bit more.
But it's not totally impossible to find power hitters.
Very few people can do what Kevin Durant does. If Durant killed someone in cold blood, the Nets, Nike and the NBA would probably cover it up. Would they do that for Chris Chiozza? Yeah, he'd get the electric chair.
Elite players run their teams. You have to hope your favorite franchise gets a guy like Steph Curry or Steve Nash or Tim Duncan. Who aren't divas.
I agree with this to an extent. The owners let the players run the show unfortunately. Too afraid to trigger the divas in the sport and "hurt their feelings" because they are afraid they'll leave.This is exactly how Josh Harris thinks. Guys like Embiid and now Harden know that. These players are literally taking advantage of it. I can get paid a butt load of money and not have to play 1OO% because I know they won't do a dam to me if I'm good enough. This is why this league is almost unwatchable now. You got guys not even playing with max effort anymore
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Who is the source? Generally speaking, not the specific name
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
How many more days for Nash?
Nets lose at home to Bennedict and the Pacers. Now 1-5
Nets lose at home to Bennedict and the Pacers. Now 1-5
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Owners hope for a player like Steph Curry or Tim Duncan. Barring that, they are happy to to win and make money. I can't really blame them. You hope for a Duncan type, but if you end up with James Harden type, well you can still make money off of him. Win some games but probably not a championship with him as your only core player.
Look at Miami. When LeBron James was there, he essentially ran that team. But he got them two championships and four Finals appearances.
A hard cap is a good thing. Because it means non guaranteed contracts, basically the NFL's salary model. Of course to achieve that, we might be looking at a 2 year lockout. But why is that bad? Like you said, the current game and most of the current stars are really unlikeable and very few people want to root for them anymore.
But let's be honest about what is going on here, and I hope @Charlie Steiner agrees as a fellow GSW fan. The league and most of the other owners can't do anything about the Warriors. They built through the draft and are just a well run organization that doesn't make too many mistakes. It's very difficult for the other owners to openly criticize them because the GSW are doing exactly what teams are supposed to do to get better - Build through the draft and optimize all levels of personnel. And Lacob looks willing to just spend into the Repeater Tax to keep winning.
So the NBA is just going to change the rules. Because the majority of teams cannot handle the Warriors success. And with Kuminga, Moody, Poole, Wiseman turning into a potential new young core, other teams could be looking in from the outside for a lot longer.
A lockout IMHO is really about punishing the Warriors just being too damn good at running their team given the current rules and salary system in place. But the ancillary benefit is to stop the problem with guaranteed contracts. When you stop being the best, you should stop being paid like the best. Fans aren't going to want to wait 5 years for a team to shed a bad contract. Look at Davis Bertans now. Or Westbrook. Bertans can actually help a team as a minimum level guy that is a free agent. He's however an anchor with his crappy contract.
The league will cite the Clippers and Lakers are examples of "bad spending" into the repeater tax. But the real target will be the Warriors. Curry is not a Nike man, and you know they are conspiring as well to get one of their big named athletes into the mix again as a champion.
Capella
Footballguy
I mean he really is. He took a lot of Bamba’s minutes.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
oh ok
Frostillicus
Footballguy
The Warriros are 3-3 and giving up close to the highest PPG in the leauge. Klay looks cooked, Draymon is a mess, and none of the young guys outside of Poole look ready. Wiseman has had as many ****ty moments as he's had great ones. Moody is doing nothing. Kuminga, who I know you've always loved, is barely getting on the court. What, exactly, does the NBA need to punish the Warriors for?
I believe I have. You rush in here yelling "BREAKING NEWS I HAVE SOURCES SAYING THEY"RE FIRING HIM!!!" and then a few hours later said 'they maybe will if it doesn't change" lol. Any chance you get to take a dig at the Sixers.
You keep bragging about having me on ignore and then repeatedly taking me off of it. That's on you. PM me if you want, or put me back on ignore, but you're going to get called out like you do in the Eagles thread when you keep making up 'sources'.
I believe he talked to Doc himself.
I think what's just as bad is his excuse for it, saying he did it because of incidents in his past where he was a victim, and that he wants privacy as he navigates through this difficult time. Kind of a weird response.
Either way, will be interesting to see if this guy will play in the league again. I'm sure a lot of players were like this or even worse in the 80s/90s, but with everything so public now, more are going to get caught and rightfully get in trouble.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Is it the same person for every sport, including pro wrestling, or is there a network of sources?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Kyrie is the worst.
Is he going to get sanctioned/suspended at all? This is pretty wild stuff.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Would be beautiful if he's cancelled just like Kanye/Ye/whatever the **** his name is.
Beyond time.
Beyond time.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Charles Barkley: Kyrie Irving is 'one of the most miserable people I’ve ever seen'
Charles Barkley chastised Kyrie Irving for being "miserable" during a discussion about mental health.
Four things make Kyrie Irving close to untouchable
1) Irving has in the past, in public, discussed struggles with "mental health" Any hard sanctions on Irving, especially in a "player's league" looks like specific persecution of one specific player. It's a bad look that Adam Silver is going to find it difficult to get around.
Kevin Love just dogged it for years as a lousy teammate and lazy on the court, despite making huge dollars. But he has come out over his mental health and now he's untouchable as well. This is just an area where no one can go safely without creating a media firestorm that costs the NBA lots of fans. And they've lost tons already.
2) Irving is a Nike Signature endorsed athlete. They even helped make him a feature film. The NBA and it's relationship with the shoe brands, but particularly Nike, makes it difficult to sanction him, even if he sometimes deserves it. Nike has to protect Irving in so much they've already made a massive investment in him already and to not protect him hurts them recruiting future new NBA potential stars.
3) Despite a career of horrifically bad shot selection, Irving just has a bizarre ability to hit circus shots on the regular. It's something you can't teach. He can consistently create his own shot at will and operate as a volume scorer at will. That's insanely valuable and some team will put up with it for that talent load.
4) There is not enough real basketball news to cover a 365/24/7 news cycle on a daily basis. So self created drama is strangely good for the NBA's marketing in the SHORT TERM. It's not great for the long term. While Irving is a headache, he keeps the NBA relevant during the dry periods of the year for the league. They just won't say that out loud.
Will Irving help to trigger a looming lockout and labor war? Yes, his issues will be part of it. But he's not the only problem.
The NBA, like MLB, is not just concerned about their current fan base, but their pathway towards "legacy fans" There's a fair argument that the NBA is a bad position for retaining and creating legacy fans. And it's not just the changes in how young people consume media these days.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Analyzing the "More Than An Athlete" Lawsuit Against LeBron James' Uninterrupted
LeBron James' media company, Nike, ESPN and Take-Two Interactive were all named in a lawsuit by a Maryland youth group over the "More Than An Athlete" phrase.
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"Cancelled" how?
Nike and NBA HQ had no choice, literally no choice, but to roll out the "More Than An Athlete" campaign. Mostly to protect LeBron James. Who manages to say dumb thing after dumb thing in the media. Sure Irving sounds unhinged at times. But LBJ is a hot mess in terms of controlling his media optics.
By Nike and the NBA administration pushing this campaign as hard cover for being held hostage ( their young player base wants some certain things said and done that have nothing to do with basketball, but a large share of that drives many fans away and polarizes the entire fan base in general, if Nike/NBA oppose this behavior, they will get burned in public), they only kicked the can down the road.
But by doing so, it means many players have platforms that can't be contained in terms of basic PR crisis management. Ben Simmons is a hot mess in terms of perception for the entire league. Enes Kanter was as well before he was blackballed from all teams ( To be fair, he was a declining player with a not so useful skill set for the modern game)
I don't feel sorry for billionaire owners nor Phil Knight, but I'm not going to pretend that they don't have to walk a very thin tightrope here in the public.
Going after Irving creates a message that is inconsistent with their crisis management to protect LeBron James. It will also drive off up to half the entire NBA fan base. I won't get into the deeper details of those issues here, but an attack on Irving, even if he's earned it, will look like a proxy attack on many other generally "controversial" groups.
The bigger problem is pro basketball let in elements and issues that don't have anything to do with basketball. Of course it was going to end up a train wreck. But if I'm going to be fair, what exactly can Adam Silver do? Does anyone here expect Silver to lose his job to go after Irving? Because that risk is there. It's not some huge state secret.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Primo is 19 years old. More than that, he still looks like a kid. Which is not surprising since he's still technically a "teenager"
This was the best response that could be scratched together at short notice. His NBA career is still salvageable. The base concept in behavioral psychology and evolutionary biology will be "neoteny" . The concept of "neoteny" has widespread marketing and PR crisis management applications.
DAVID BRIN: Neoteny and Two-Way Sexual Selection in Human Evolution
This essay focuses on the trait of neoteny - or the retention of childlike characteristics in mature members of a species. This process appears so amplified in humanity that we have been called the neotenous clan of apes. Humans much more closely resemble chimp or gorilla infants than adults of...
www.davidbrin.com
People in general will respond differently to those who are very youthful in aesthetic. Children are up to "mischief" But adults doing something similar could be simply assessed for doing something criminal. I'm not defending Primo in a blanket manner here. I am saying there are easy mechanisms in place to find a way to push this aside because his talent base and his potential will make teams WANT to overlook his issues.
A 35 year old married NBA player with kids at home, and at the end of his practical career, doing Scandal X will be looked at one way.
Will a 19 year old baby faced NBA player, with another potential 15 years of being a contributing 3 And D wing, doing Scandal X be handled the same?
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't think the turn style defense will get better, but he exceeded my expectations by leaps and bounds last year. I was bummed to see him go. Hafta give a little to get a little though.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Someone in the know Philly sports wise. Had all these moves to me before the general public heard. Carson Wentz trade; Bryce Harper signing; James Harden trade; Morey hiring; Castellanos signing. So he's pretty reliable.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Shout out to former Bulls Media Nick Friedel for calling out Kyrie last night. Made Kyrie look like an absolute jackass who tried to steer away from questions while still admitting pushing some pretty terrible stuff. If I'm the nets and the NBA you want to make an impact you suspend Kyrie without pay indefinitely and the Nets should be able to release him without pay. That's the type of impact needed here. No-one would touch this clown at this point anyway.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Being willing to spend a jillion million dollars and perhaps bring in the revenue to justify it, which enables them to retain more of their own players. Being 3-3 right now is completely irrelevant. Part of it was luck in getting klay, steph and dray where they did in the draft, but their ability to keep spending on their own players let them keep sustaining. Which I don’t think is really a problem, but some might not like it. Though a lot of owners are happy just to take the luxury tax payments.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Is it vin fosh?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Charles Barkley: Kyrie Irving is 'one of the most miserable people I’ve ever seen'
Charles Barkley chastised Kyrie Irving for being "miserable" during a discussion about mental health.www.yahoo.com
Four things make Kyrie Irving close to untouchable
1) Irving has in the past, in public, discussed struggles with "mental health" Any hard sanctions on Irving, especially in a "player's league" looks like specific persecution of one specific player. It's a bad look that Adam Silver is going to find it difficult to get around.
Kevin Love just dogged it for years as a lousy teammate and lazy on the court, despite making huge dollars. But he has come out over his mental health and now he's untouchable as well. This is just an area where no one can go safely without creating a media firestorm that costs the NBA lots of fans. And they've lost tons already.
2) Irving is a Nike Signature endorsed athlete. They even helped make him a feature film. The NBA and it's relationship with the shoe brands, but particularly Nike, makes it difficult to sanction him, even if he sometimes deserves it. Nike has to protect Irving in so much they've already made a massive investment in him already and to not protect him hurts them recruiting future new NBA potential stars.
3) Despite a career of horrifically bad shot selection, Irving just has a bizarre ability to hit circus shots on the regular. It's something you can't teach. He can consistently create his own shot at will and operate as a volume scorer at will. That's insanely valuable and some team will put up with it for that talent load.
4) There is not enough real basketball news to cover a 365/24/7 news cycle on a daily basis. So self created drama is strangely good for the NBA's marketing in the SHORT TERM. It's not great for the long term. While Irving is a headache, he keeps the NBA relevant during the dry periods of the year for the league. They just won't say that out loud.
Will Irving help to trigger a looming lockout and labor war? Yes, his issues will be part of it. But he's not the only problem.
The NBA, like MLB, is not just concerned about their current fan base, but their pathway towards "legacy fans" There's a fair argument that the NBA is a bad position for retaining and creating legacy fans. And it's not just the changes in how young people consume media these days.
This doesn't help at all. NBA and Nets should get someone independently to evaluate Kyrie. if they determine he has a mental illness or if he's just an idiot. After that if it's determined he's just an terrible person should be suspended without pay. He should then be cut by the Nets without being paid. Any organization dumb enough to sign him after that would face major backlash. The NBA not doing anything here just goes against everything the players and the bumble with the owners agreed too. It makes a lot of people look like hypocrites. This is why when the protest happen some people were like no one really meant it, just something to market for them and virtue signal. Any team dumb enough to sign or trade for Kyrie should face major backlash from the media, major protest at team facilities as well as ownerships person house. Don't let up for a second. Boycott anyone who still sponsors the team after that
DJackson10
Footballguy
Don't know if it is him or not. The person I talk to DM's me with a different name. Someone I know thinks it might be him but I'm really not sure if it is him
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