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Why are there apparently legit rumors that the sixers want Kyrie?

Why would a team want to replace a player who doesn't want to play with a player who doesn't want to play?  :doh:

 
Why are there apparently legit rumors that the sixers want Kyrie?

Why would a team want to replace a player who doesn't want to play with a player who doesn't want to play?  :doh:
Isn't that why Harden wanted to leave the Nets too, because he thought Irving was nuts?

 
Isn't that why Harden wanted to leave the Nets too, because he thought Irving was nuts?
1. The Nets were in Cleveland Jan. 17. In their locker room before the game, Kyrie Irving lit ablaze some sage — a Native American ritual Irving has embraced to cleanse negative energy. Irving doesn't do this before every game, but he apparently still feels haunted by parts of his past on the Cavs. So he lit his torch.

2. Harden, according to sources who were in the room when it happened, was seated in front of his locker, watching Irving, and looked at Kyrie like he had three heads.

3. "Definitely a weird vibe between them," one source said. "You could tell Harden was annoyed, and Kyrie wasn't feeling James."

Source  :lol:

 
Why are there apparently legit rumors that the sixers want Kyrie?

Why would a team want to replace a player who doesn't want to play with a player who doesn't want to play?  :doh:
Woj is friends with Marks and keeps throwing stuff out there to try to give the Nets more leverage (he did the same thing when the Harden/Simmons talks were going on). 
 

He threw out the rumors the Sixers and Mavs were both interested in Kyrie, but both of those teams came out right away and refuted those claims - neither is interested. 
 

His last “report” was that the Lakers haven’t yet put an “aggressive” offer for Kyrie out there.  Probably somewhat true but I’m glad the Lakers aren’t bidding against themselves here - nobody else wants Kyrie right now. 
 

Keep in mind that whatever he starts putting out there regarding Durant is 100% going to be directly from the Nets to drive up the bidding price just like he’s doing here with the Kyrie negotiations. 

 
Woj is friends with Marks and keeps throwing stuff out there to try to give the Nets more leverage (he did the same thing when the Harden/Simmons talks were going on). 
 

He threw out the rumors the Sixers and Mavs were both interested in Kyrie, but both of those teams came out right away and refuted those claims - neither is interested. 
 

His last “report” was that the Lakers haven’t yet put an “aggressive” offer for Kyrie out there.  Probably somewhat true but I’m glad the Lakers aren’t bidding against themselves here - nobody else wants Kyrie right now. 
 

Keep in mind that whatever he starts putting out there regarding Durant is 100% going to be directly from the Nets to drive up the bidding price just like he’s doing here with the Kyrie negotiations. 
So this is a thing all those "breaking/first report" guys do...thought I read Schefter got caught doing the same thing in the NFL.

I wonder if Kyrie gets to LA, if then that he's back with Bron he can suddenly become "normal" again and tones everything down. Or if 6 years away is too far gone and the current crazy Kyrie is just the real Kyrie now.

 
Woj is friends with Marks and keeps throwing stuff out there to try to give the Nets more leverage (he did the same thing when the Harden/Simmons talks were going on). 
 

He threw out the rumors the Sixers and Mavs were both interested in Kyrie, but both of those teams came out right away and refuted those claims - neither is interested. 
 

His last “report” was that the Lakers haven’t yet put an “aggressive” offer for Kyrie out there.  Probably somewhat true but I’m glad the Lakers aren’t bidding against themselves here - nobody else wants Kyrie right now. 
 

Keep in mind that whatever he starts putting out there regarding Durant is 100% going to be directly from the Nets to drive up the bidding price just like he’s doing here with the Kyrie negotiations. 
What a joke.  :thumbdown:

 
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I miss KB. He would understand and explain everything that I’m not allowed to. Honestly he was the greatest Laker ever. He understood team over self. Meaning your rewards would come if you valued team goals over your own then everything would fall into place. All can reply.

 
It doesn’t matter how many teams showed faith in him and were willing to part with millions of dollars, it is still a betrayal nonetheless. It’s not like the Nets did things against his will and put a crap team around him — they were the favorites!


A betrayal. They were favorites!!!  Lol. Not how sports work. If Durant couldn't recover fully they would be trying to unload him even if he wanted to stay. It works both ways. 

 
How the NBA goes. It's a real interesting time period for the NBA right now. Almost has a 70s vibe to it without a clear face of the league megastar (yeah yeah Kareem. Kareem didn't win rings back then).

Magic/Bird > Jordan > Kobe > Bron > ???

Giannis is going to 28 halfway thru next season. There's no clear 20 year old heir apparent. Could have been Zion, but his body's not gonna hold up.


Another year with a deep run and I think it is Luka. He just carried a lottery team to the conference finals. 

 
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How the NBA goes. It's a real interesting time period for the NBA right now. Almost has a 70s vibe to it without a clear face of the league megastar (yeah yeah Kareem. Kareem didn't win rings back then).

Magic/Bird > Jordan > Kobe > Bron > ???

Giannis is going to 28 halfway thru next season. There's no clear 20 year old heir apparent. Could have been Zion, but his body's not gonna hold up.
Obviously, it's going to be Cade

 
Giannis would like a word.


Call back when Giannis is 38 and still doing what LeBron does, plus Giannis wasn't a physically dominant when he entered the league. LeBron  always has been. Giannis is great, but not LeBron or really even close. 

 
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Call back when Giannis is 38 and still doing what LeBron does, plus Giannis wasn't a physically dominant when he entered the league. LeBron has always been. Giannis is great, but not LeBron or really even close. 
I'll agree he wasn't quite as great when Giannis was new, but that's more due to skill level than being physically dominant.

And I'd be surprised if Giannis isn't still great in his late 30's. He has that Kobe/MJ level drive in him, but just started playing 10 years later than any of them.

 
Cryptic Jeanie Buss tweet:

I miss KB. He would understand and explain everything that I’m not allowed to. Honestly he was the greatest Laker ever. He understood team over self. Meaning your rewards would come if you valued team goals over your own then everything would fall into place. All can reply.
Obviously haven't read Three Ring Circus

 
I'll agree he wasn't quite as great when Giannis was new, but that's more due to skill level than being physically dominant.

And I'd be surprised if Giannis isn't still great in his late 30's. He has that Kobe/MJ level drive in him, but just started playing 10 years later than any of them.


He might be, but 10.years is a long time. So we will have to see.

Maybe I wasn't perfectly clear, but LeBron is the most gifted and dominant player ever, bar none, hands down and no one is in the same universe. The fact that Giannis didn't start out dominate means he is already disqualified. 

 
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Warriors have interest in trading for Kevin Durant, per

@MarcJSpears

Golden State could offer the best package for both sides: Jordan Poole, Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Kuminga & James Wiseman

 


I think the Warriors should probably be the only team in the league not willing to pay for Durant. 

If I was the Warriors GM and had the okay of Kerr and Curry, I would offer  Kuminga, Moody and few draft picks and Wiggins or Poole and salary filler as/if needed. I would tell Brooklyn one or the other on Wiggins or Poole. 

 
Yes. Of course there was a line of teams willing to do it. Whichever team ultimately did it for him still showed a commitment to him and there should be at least a small sense of loyalty that comes with it. By no means is this the worst thing ever but I’m not sure how it doesn’t make Durant look weak - especially when he narrows his list down to two teams.
Exactly- yes other teams were willing to do it but the Nets invested not only an entire year of rehab but paid his crazy buddy, fired a good coach to hire his hand picked coach, paid another buddy way over market and brought in a bunch of players he hand picked.  They basically handed him the keys to an entire franchise and thats only good for about 1 seasons worth of games and 1 playoff series win- now he wants to control going to a top seeded team when the going gets tough?    He should be embarrassed (which he isnt) - and his legacy tainted (which it is).    

 
Exactly- yes other teams were willing to do it but the Nets invested not only an entire year of rehab but paid his crazy buddy, fired a good coach to hire his hand picked coach, paid another buddy way over market and brought in a bunch of players he hand picked.  They basically handed him the keys to an entire franchise and thats only good for about 1 seasons worth of games and 1 playoff series win- now he wants to control going to a top seeded team when the going gets tough?    He should be embarrassed (which he isnt) - and his legacy tainted (which it is).    


Exactly the Nets chose to do it. They didn't have to and they knew the risk of Durant and Kyrie and still chose to do it. I don't feel bad for them and Durant didn't betray them.

 
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Career NBA win shares: 

2. Lebron James 249.52



50. Steph Curry 120.23

Would you like some more numbers to dismiss because it doesn’t fit your narrative?
Zero clue what you are talking about.  I don’t have a narrative that I’m trying to fit.  But evidently you do.

Actually, maybe I do have a narrative.  My narrative is that Chris Webber isn’t in the same ballpark as Steph Curry, and any singular metric that implies such should be considered as what it is…….a singular, valuable but imperfect metric.  If you disagree, have at it.

 
Actually, maybe I do have a narrative.  My narrative is that Chris Webber isn’t in the same ballpark as Steph Curry, and any singular metric that implies such should be considered as what it is…….a singular, valuable but imperfect metric.  If you disagree, have at it.
:confused:

Chris Webber is #143 all time in career win shares at 84.69. He is nowhere near #50 Steph Curry with 120.23.

And FYI, Steph is #6 for current players, only behind Lebron, CP3, Durant, Harden, and Dwight Howard. 

 
Actually, maybe I do have a narrative.  My narrative is that Chris Webber isn’t in the same ballpark as Steph Curry, and any singular metric that implies such should be considered as what it is…….a singular, valuable but imperfect metric.  If you disagree, have at it.
The point was to illustrate just how far away Steph is from Lebron. You could choose Chris Webber or Dwight Howard or Patrick Ewing and make the same point. 

 
The point was to illustrate just how far away Steph is from Lebron. You could choose Chris Webber or Dwight Howard or Patrick Ewing and make the same point. 
🤷‍♂️ Where did I suggest Curry was on par with LeBron?  I think you are targeting someone else’s narrative, not mine.  
 

Either way, I agree with you that LeBron >> Curry (and this is coming from a Curry fanboy).

But I also think any metric that has Curry in line with Webber, Ewing or Dwight is probably a metric worth taking a closer look at.

 
🤷‍♂️ Where did I suggest Curry was on par with LeBron?  I think you are targeting someone else’s narrative, not mine.  
 

Either way, I agree with you that LeBron >> Curry (and this is coming from a Curry fanboy).

But I also think any metric that has Curry in line with Webber, Ewing or Dwight is probably a metric worth taking a closer look at.
Win shares is a counting number. Curry should be well past Weber when his career finishes. 

 
I agree with this part.  As a GSW fan, it really hamstrings the team in terms of FA signings unless you get a diamond in the rough (GP2), ring hunter, someone looking to up their value (Otto).  Sign and trades are bad long term as you have to give up assets that could otherwise be cost controlled in the short term.  I can't think of a contending team that got significantly better thru sign and trade, although I'm sure there is a case or two, in the past several years.


Miami with Jimmy Butler.

 
Exactly the Nets chose to do it. They didn't have to and they knew the risk of Durant and Kyrie and still chose to do it. I don't feel bad for them and Durant didn't betray them.
Yes the Nets should have expected Durant to demand to leave before he played one game under a 4 yr extension he signed willingly.  

 
🤷‍♂️ Where did I suggest Curry was on par with LeBron?  I think you are targeting someone else’s narrative, not mine.  
 

Either way, I agree with you that LeBron >> Curry (and this is coming from a Curry fanboy).

But I also think any metric that has Curry in line with Webber, Ewing or Dwight is probably a metric worth taking a closer look at.
Sorry if I got you confused. 

 
Apparently there are currently 8 Clutch clients on the Lakers. Is that disproportionate significantly compared to other teams, or do they just represent a large percentage of players now?

 
Kent Benson?
A lot of people don't remember the Giannis of the 1970's. Actually he was pick 1.01 in the draft which neither coby or Giannis can claim.

He didn't even have a porn mustache. It was more like the mustache of villain#4 in a Western movie. Ironic that he got into "life insurance and estate planning" after his career, because that's what he looked like his entire career.

Maybe the recipient of the dirtiest sucker punch in NBA history....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7FQVi9267g

... at least Kermit Washington was in the middle of an out of control melee when Rudy came running up to separate the fight.

 
It always makes me chuckle when I read NBA teams are going to use "leverage" to keep their star players in line.....

"   According to Brian Lewis of the NY Post, trade talks for Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving could drag on into training camp as the Nets plan to use leverage to get the best available packages.

With Durant locked into his current deal for four years and Irving opted in for one more season, Brooklyn's front office holds most of the cards and intends to use them. According to Lewis, "Nets general manager Sean Marks and owner Joe Tsai had agreed to work with Durant and business partner Rich Kleiman to try to trade him to one of his preferred landing spots. But in the end, Durant and Irving are expected to be moved where and when it works best for Nets management."   "

Doesn't this sound an awful lot like PHI last summer when they were insisting they wanted Dame Lillard, 5 1st round draft picks, and all the coastal property in Australia in any trade for Simmons? And they were going to use their "leverage" until that happened!

 
Cryptic Jeanie Buss tweet:

I miss KB. He would understand and explain everything that I’m not allowed to. Honestly he was the greatest Laker ever. He understood team over self. Meaning your rewards would come if you valued team goals over your own then everything would fall into place. All can reply.
True.

How else could it work if a teammate didn't inbound the ball to me? I NEEDED those guys! Every night,

 
It always makes me chuckle when I read NBA teams are going to use "leverage" to keep their star players in line.....

"   According to Brian Lewis of the NY Post, trade talks for Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving could drag on into training camp as the Nets plan to use leverage to get the best available packages.

With Durant locked into his current deal for four years and Irving opted in for one more season, Brooklyn's front office holds most of the cards and intends to use them. According to Lewis, "Nets general manager Sean Marks and owner Joe Tsai had agreed to work with Durant and business partner Rich Kleiman to try to trade him to one of his preferred landing spots. But in the end, Durant and Irving are expected to be moved where and when it works best for Nets management."   "

Doesn't this sound an awful lot like PHI last summer when they were insisting they wanted Dame Lillard, 5 1st round draft picks, and all the coastal property in Australia in any trade for Simmons? And they were going to use their "leverage" until that happened!
It does sound like it, but the difference is Ben Simmons is bad and sucks and nobody wanted him and Kevin Durant is Kevin Durant. 

 
It does sound like it, but the difference is Ben Simmons is bad and sucks and nobody wanted him and Kevin Durant is Kevin Durant. 
That's fair. But I would argue that's why the player has MORE power, and the team has LESS leverage. 

With Durant the team is a threat to go deep into the playoffs. If Durant stays home they don't make the playoffs. With whatever teams are offering right now they start the rebuild and probably sneak into the playoffs. The Nets can punish Durant by flushing the season but I'm not sure I would call that leverage. I just don't think Simmons was nearly as important for PHI, but the offers were much, much worse. The ongoing story was definitely a bigger distraction than anything they were going to get out of Simmons on the court. So by keeping him they had no leverage either.

So in the end neither team had/has much "leverage" imo.

 
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