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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (3 Viewers)

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Craig_MiamiFL said:
With what the All Star are making, $1mil isn't much and expect to see many drop out. Will still be better than what All Star weekend has become.

NBA has a big salary problem. Giving Dame $60+m/yr is just laughable. Sorry not sorry to any of his fans. List goes on Toby Harris, Rubi Gobert, etc....
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Guys making the minimum would be pretty pissed off by their teams’ stars wanting to rest.

 
Anarchy99 said:
One of the options as of a few weeks ago was:

"The midseason tournament would mirror something similar to what European soccer does, with the NBA discussing the option of holding an eight-team, single -elimination tournament that would pay players $1 million each for the winning team, per Wojnarowski."

NBA plans to revisit the idea of having a midseason tournament

Today, reports came out that the league is considering a Champions soccer style tournament. It might not be all NBA teams in such a tournament.

What would a Champions League-style NBA tournament look like?

I guess there are several options open for discussion.

 
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Didn’t see those, thanks for sharing GB 

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
With what the All Star are making, $1mil isn't much and expect to see many drop out. Will still be better than what All Star weekend has become.

NBA has a big salary problem. Giving Dame $60+m/yr is just laughable. Sorry not sorry to any of his fans. List goes on Toby Harris, Rubi Gobert, etc....
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The All Star game only pays out $50K to winners and $25K to losers and most play in that. Even if you’re already a millionaire it’s not easy to pass up a chance at another $1M for basically playing the same amount of games as you were previous seasons. 
 

Stars will play at the possibility of getting their teammates paid, if nothing else 

 
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Gr00vus said:
Some of us just like watching basketball games, even if a particular game doesn't have a significant impact on the post season. For us, more games is nice. Even if all the stars aren't playing in a particular game, there's still stuff worth watching, some times its fun to see what some of the back of / out of the rotation guys can do from time to time. Not all the time, maybe not most of the time, but a game like that here or there isn't some kind of hardship to bear.
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Plus, all the cities that have shelled out public funding for stadiums did so on the expectation that they'd be bringing people in X days per year.  They may have been dumb to do so, but nevertheless there are other stakeholders and considerations at issue beyond optimizing the quality of every single game.

 
thecatch said:
Plus, all the cities that have shelled out public funding for stadiums did so on the expectation that they'd be bringing people in X days per year.  They may have been dumb to do so, but nevertheless there are other stakeholders and considerations at issue beyond optimizing the quality of every single game.
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Great point, and raising ticket prices to compensate  for fewer games isn't going to impact lost concession sales, on site merchandise sales, foot traffic to establishments in the area, etc.

 
ShamrockPride said:
Why 70? Why deem 70 as important? Knocking 12 off will suddenly make players try to play every game? What makes 70 more palatable than say, 40? Isn't 40 a good enough gauge to determine who the best teams are, while keeping players engaged & healthy?

In your 70 game scenario, will fans tune in to the first 20-30 games of the season any more than they do now?

What about history? Do we start a new record book calling this a new era separate from others, since certainly 70 games will make most current records unattainable.

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Don't take my post as an attack, they're not really pointed at you, just at short season advocates in general. Just my ranting thoughts.

I don't think a shortening to 70 games (which I agree seems a likely number, or in that neighborhood), really moves the needle at all. 70 games is still very long. That's just basketball. You like it or you don't. Unless you're cutting that number by a significant amount, it doesn't change anything. People will still be less engaged in the early-mid season. That's just how it is in long season sports (ie everything except football).

We're not saving or extending careers here by cutting 10-20 games off a schedule. Guys are already playing for 20 years now, occasionally into their 40s.
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List of players who have played 20 years?

 
ShamrockPride said:
Why 70? Why deem 70 as important? Knocking 12 off will suddenly make players try to play every game? What makes 70 more palatable than say, 40? Isn't 40 a good enough gauge to determine who the best teams are, while keeping players engaged & healthy?

In your 70 game scenario, will fans tune in to the first 20-30 games of the season any more than they do now?

What about history? Do we start a new record book calling this a new era separate from others, since certainly 70 games will make most current records unattainable.

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Don't take my post as an attack, they're not really pointed at you, just at short season advocates in general. Just my ranting thoughts.

I don't think a shortening to 70 games (which I agree seems a likely number, or in that neighborhood), really moves the needle at all. 70 games is still very long. That's just basketball. You like it or you don't. Unless you're cutting that number by a significant amount, it doesn't change anything. People will still be less engaged in the early-mid season. That's just how it is in long season sports (ie everything except football).

We're not saving or extending careers here by cutting 10-20 games off a schedule. Guys are already playing for 20 years now, occasionally into their 40s.
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I don't have a strong opinion about the ideal number of regular season games, but I do remember thinking the regular season was more important and interesting in 1998-99, when it was shortened to 50 games due to the lockout. Maybe I am in the minority on that.

 
scoobus said:
Where has @Kev4029 been?

Interested on his take of the Barton/Morris for KCP/Ish swap and subsequent KCP deal.
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I started a new business earlier this year and have been pretty swamped and fell behind around here.

WRT the trade, I think it was a bet on their ability at the highest levels in the playoffs. Overall, I think Barton and KCP are roughly similar talents but KCP's skill set (better D and shooting, less on ball skill) is a better fit with a championship caliber team. KCP makes the starting lineup work much better and he'll be getting the easiest looks of his career so he should shine.

I'm much less enthusiastic about losing Morris as I feel like Murray was often at his best off ball and Morris was probably in line to play starters minutes as Murray is going to be on a bit of a minutes limit and probably taking back to backs off. I'm confident in Bones stepping up a bit but losing Morris is a bummer. Ish Smith feels like a really good 3rd PG or a pretty poor backup.

With all of that said, I think it probably gave the front office the ability to sign Bruce Brown because the Kroenkes are cheap #######s, so looking at it through that lens, Bruce Brown, KCP (now contracted for three seasons), and Ish Smith is an improvement over Morris and Barton. If Bones take a mini leap next season, it could be a big win. If he is inconsistent, the Nuggets are going to be desperate for a plus backup PG and will again struggle in the bench minutes.

From the Wizards perspective, this was a win assuming they were looking to improve and potentially make the real playoffs. Alas, that is the wrong approach, but it's been the approach for the last 15 years. Being the 8th seed is the worst place to be for a team that isn't on the way up.

 
Juxtatarot said:
My guess is Utah wouldn’t want to take on the potential drama with Ben Simmons. 
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For that many picks, I think they would take a chance on rehabbing his value and either building with him as the pseudo centerpiece of the rebuild, or flipping him for positive value. If he returns to his form of a couple seasons ago, he'll hold strong positive value for the right team. If he sucks and is a huge headcase, they aren't going anywhere for the next few seasons anyway, so the salary slot doesn't really affect them.

 
That takes away the sign and trade option for Phoenix. They have two days to match. Soonest they could trade Ayton if they decide to keep him would be January 15th.

 
Anarchy99 said:
That takes away the sign and trade option for Phoenix. They have two days to match. Soonest they could trade Ayton if they decide to keep him would be January 15th.
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Can’t they work out a deal before the two days? I don’t know how this works. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
That takes away the sign and trade option for Phoenix. They have two days to match. Soonest they could trade Ayton if they decide to keep him would be January 15th.
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S&T is off the table once Ayton signs the offer sheet.  He reportedly hasn't done so yet but is expected to sometime today.

 
Eephus said:
NBA nerd Twitter is split on this.  I've seen one report say that even if the offer sheet has been signed, it doesn't become official until midnight EDT.
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From what I’ve heard, they have until midnight to work out a S&T, after that PHX only choice is to match the offer or decline in the following 48 hours. 
 

Woj just tweeted he didn’t think PHX is interested in a S&T and will probably match. 
 

If they match, Ayton can’t be traded until after Jan 15 (he also gets a trade veto), and he can’t be traded to the Pacers. 
 

RFA sucks in the NBA. 

 
msudaisy26 said:
Yeah, but there is a reason why the Sun's weren't bidding. 
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It’s very possible the Suns we’re planning on matching any offer, including a max (which would be a lower max number than they would offer him themselves). A way for them to save a little money and not lose him for nothing. 

 
Yo Mama said:
It’s very possible the Suns we’re planning on matching any offer, including a max (which would be a lower max number than they would offer him themselves). A way for them to save a little money and not lose him for nothing. 
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I guess, but that just creates a toxic environment for the team. The Sun's have a championship window here. They shouldn't be playing games like this, but like you said it is Sarver so anything could be true. 

 
Interesting tidbits on the offer sheet from the twitters (so you know it’s gotta be true):

- This is the largest offer sheet in nba history

- The Pacers have never had a #1 overall pick play for them in the NBA (not counting their years in the ABA)

 
Long Ball Larry said:
List of players who have played 20 years?
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So apparently the actual list is 8 guys:

  • Vince Carter - 22
  • Dirk Nowitzki - 21
  • Kevin Garnett - 21
  • Kevin Willis - 21
  • Robert Parish - 21
  • Jamal Crawford - 20
  • Kobe Bryant - 20
  • Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 20
That's it to date.  15 guys have made it 19 including LeBron, Carmelo and Haslem who may play next season (also Duncan & Kidd who I thought hit 20 but were one short).  Dwight Howard, Iguodala, Joe Johnson and Trevor Ariza are sitting at 18 and were active last year.  LeBron is a lock and Carmelo & Howard are likely to get there.  Maybe Haslem & Iggy get to 20, but I doubt Johnson & Ariza get 2 more years in.

ETA:  Source  Also, CP3 is at 17.

 
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ShamrockPride said:
Lol though at thinking of Haslem. One of these things is not like the other.
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He and Willis at least both were starters on a championship team at one point in their careers but survived as end of the bench guys by taking care of their bodies and being consummate professionals.

 
msudaisy26 said:
I guess, but that just creates a toxic environment for the team. The Sun's have a championship window here. They shouldn't be playing games like this, but like you said it is Sarver so anything could be true. 
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It’s fair to be skeptical of anything Sarver does but Ayton is just not quite on the level of a no brainer max extension so I don’t think it is unreasonable to handle it this way.

 
Yo Mama said:
Sounds like the offer sheet is signed - no more chance of a S&T. Woj still says PHX will probably match. 
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Shams just now:

The Phoenix Suns have matched the Indiana Pacers’ four-year, $133 million maximum offer sheet on Deandre Ayton, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Ayton stays in Phoenix.

 
McBokonon said:
Shams just now:

The Phoenix Suns have matched the Indiana Pacers’ four-year, $133 million maximum offer sheet on Deandre Ayton, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Ayton stays in Phoenix.
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Sooooooooo…why did Phoenix do all of this run around? Should have just paid him weeks ago. 

 
Capella said:
Sooooooooo…why did Phoenix do all of this run around? Should have just paid him weeks ago. 
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The max from Phoenix would have been 4/138.5M or 5/179M. The match gets him for 4/133M so they save 5.5M. Seems like a minor amount to drive the decision-making, i.e., why not just sign him for 4/138.5 months ago and have harmony?

 
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