2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (4 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

Why are we so surprised the Mavericks did this? A few years ago they traded for Porzingus. Really weird guy with some off the court issues (not as bad as Kyrie, but still a red flag) super talented player that needed to be paid soon, injured all the time.

The only real difference between them was age and the position they played.

What were Porzingis's off-court issues?

He had some bar fight or club fights with the cops called, accused of rape and beating a women. I think he threatened a cop too.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Make no mistake, Kyrie will be on his best play and behavior the rest of the season, grinding out as many games as he can. He knows what's at stake come summer.

Stephen A had this dude scoped out for a couple years now. Do just enough to make em think you're worth another massive bag. Once it's locked in, he'll go back to his idiocy and 40 game seasons.

 

[Juxtatarot]

It can take awhile for teams to gel with new players. Having few practices certainly doesn't help either. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Mavs find themselves in the play-in tournament and thebn fail to advance.

 

[mr. furley]

Russilllo noted that Kyrie had an incredible $2mm bonus in his contract if he got traded.

would not be shocked if we find out he's dead broke and needed quick cash to stay ahead of debtors until he can get a new deal.

it's crazy, but this is the NBA and he's a loon so.

 

[MAC_32]

The last several pages of this thread leaves me appreciating this Cavs team even more than I already did.

 

[the moops]

Kyrie who?

****ing Cam Thomas!!!

 

[Major]

I remember asking about Chris Jackson/Abdul-Rauf a while back and hearing some cool stories in here. There's a great documentary on Showtime that recently premiered. Definitely worth a watch.

https://www.sho.com/titles/3520874/stand

 

[CletiusMaximus]

https://twitter.com/JoePompliano
Joe Pompliano
@JoePompliano

Mat Ishbia has been approved as the next owner of the Phoenix Suns. The interesting part? Every single NBA owner voted to approve the purchase…except Dan Gilbert. That’s because Gilbert and Ishbia have a long-standing business feud and hate each other. Here’s the story:

https://twitter.com/JoePompliano/status/1622789743107837954?s=20&t=pWUkUVLKir3PjV0Oe78tIQ

good stuff from Pompliano

 

[msudaisy26]

Make no mistake, Kyrie will be on his best play and behavior the rest of the season, grinding out as many games as he can. He knows what's at stake come summer.

Stephen A had this dude scoped out for a couple years now. Do just enough to make em think you're worth another massive bag. Once it's locked in, he'll go back to his idiocy and 40 game seasons.

I think you are looking at this too logically.

Kyrie knows he needs to be on his best behavior, I am sure his agent is in his ear constantly telling him to be on his best behavior, I am sure Kyrie's inner circle is telling him the same thing.

This is Kyrie Irving though he may get the most wild idiotic idea in his Kyrie brain at anytime and just choose to sit out a week. He might go play nice for 2 weeks and decide I hate it here and decide he isn't hurting himself when he knows he isn't staying and he believes all the other NBA teams want him.

Kyrie being on his best behavior is at best 50/50.

 

[Frostillicus]

Watching Dallas/Utah and Walker Kessler boxes out on every play, both sides of the ball. What a nerd.

 

[GroveDiesel]

NBA did a pretty nice job leaking out the Ja Morant thing in the middle of the Kyrie stuff. Almost zero talk on Morant and the possibility of him and his crew pointing a gun at the Pacers team bus.

 

[Jayrod]

NBA did a pretty nice job leaking out the Ja Morant thing in the middle of the Kyrie stuff. Almost zero talk on Morant and the possibility of him and his crew pointing a gun at the Pacers team bus.

I've been of the opinion that Morant isn't the complete superstar we've been told by the media shows for a while now. I think his marketability exceeds his on court value and if he damages that, he may be in for a rude awakening.

 

[GordonGekko]

Alternatively, say they sign him to a 4 year max and he's on relatively good behavior (i.e. no big media scandals and just does more run of the mill weird Kyrie things) but he's on a slow and relative decline. He's a incredibly skilled point guard, but he still is very reliant on his quickness and his ability to get to the hoop has already greatly diminished (he's taking fewer than half as many shots at the rim as his Cleveland days) and he hasn't been exactly a beacon of health in his career. He missed the last three games of the 2021 playoffs. He missed most of 2020, including the bubble. He missed the back quarter of the 2018 season and all of the playoffs. He missed the end of the 2015 playoffs with an injury that kept him out for a quarter of the following season. He hardly played at Duke because of injury.

Taking out his personality from the equation, the trade was for an injury prone declining athlete in his 30s that has been more likely to not make it through the playoffs healthy enough to play than to actually contribute all the way though the playoffs.

The Mavs payed close to market value for a healthy, sane version of Irving, and he's tended to be neither.

Irving is an extremely difficult cover.

You could put Herb Jones, Marcus Smart and Matisse Thybulle on him in triple coverage where they are bracketing him and he'd still cook them off.

The guy has spent an entire career essentially defying horrific shot selection. Every game to Irving is like a game of HORSE. He makes shots on the regular that no one else can even understand at times. This might be one of the few guys where it's impossible to gauge them on metrics. Someone else like that is Joe Dumars. You have to spend time watching Dumars to really get what he was leveling up that wasn't on a stat sheet.

The loss of defense is obviously a concern. But Finney Smith is not replaceable. He was certainly a great story and a great glue guy but you don't get many chances at an All Star like this. The trade was more for Irving's full Bird Rights than for anything else. And this last back end of the season, it's unclear what is going to happen. There's an open path, I can see why the risk is being made.

Cuban might still end up trading him to the Lakers when it's all said and done.

Silver and NBA HQ don't want Irving in LA. But back in the day, when the Mavericks won the championship over the Heat, even with the refs trying to cook off Dallas anyway, David Stern refused to set up and fund the championship parade for them. Cuban pointed out, correctly, that Stern was singling out the Mavericks because he hated Cuban and that NBA HQ did it for everyone else.

That level of pettiness is why Cuban might just unload Irving into the Lakers. Which will cause the NBA all kinds of problems with their sponsors and the networks.

David Stern was a brilliant front line executive. He knew how to market the NBA during some hard dog days. But he was also a psychotic petty tyrant that loved open retaliation just a little too much. The real life bad self inflicted drama with the Buss family, Silver, Cuban, Ballmer and Joe Tsai is like a plotline out of Sons Of Anarchy. Irving is an idiot. But he's not the only idiot in this entire mess.

 

[GordonGekko]

NBA did a pretty nice job leaking out the Ja Morant thing in the middle of the Kyrie stuff. Almost zero talk on Morant and the possibility of him and his crew pointing a gun at the Pacers team bus.

I've been of the opinion that Morant isn't the complete superstar we've been told by the media shows for a while now. I think his marketability exceeds his on court value and if he damages that, he may be in for a rude awakening.

Things like All NBA and DPOY and MVP are now factors in max contract potential and how fast a young player can accelerate their earning using the Rose Rule.

What's happening is rival players are using their agents and force feeding things to the media to slam down on other players, looking to create enough public bad blood to limit the kind of votes they get.

Apparently one of the reasons that the trade market collapsed around Bradley Beal was he went full rogue and ballistic on Zach Lowe. Over his voting. Or what he claimed Lowe said to him about his votes. Beal wasn't such a standout player that a team needed that added drama and friction with agents and other GMs. GM's understand they need some media pundits on their side to spin things a certain way to help them keep their jobs. Beal is a total nimrod.

Some people are just going to get the shaft. Trae Young is one of them. The rules were literally changed because he pushed his team too far and too fast and he wasn't the kind of player that NBA HQ wanted marketed deep in the playoffs.

The perception of a player is often shaped by spin control and that usually is a function of how many shoes can that player sell across the world.

If Luke Kornet sold 40 million pairs of shoes in a year for Nike, he could literally walk onto the court with a machete, decapitate someone, and every article, TV show, news broadcast and analyst would simply say he was truly misunderstood and the real victim.

 

[mr. furley]

I remember asking about Chris Jackson/Abdul-Rauf a while back and hearing some cool stories in here. There's a great documentary on Showtime that recently premiered. Definitely worth a watch.

https://www.sho.com/titles/3520874/stand

that dude was a flamethrower in college

can remember thinking he might score 100 in a college game one day

 

[Beef Ravioli Part 2]

I remember asking about Chris Jackson/Abdul-Rauf a while back and hearing some cool stories in here. There's a great documentary on Showtime that recently premiered. Definitely worth a watch.

https://www.sho.com/titles/3520874/stand

that dude was a flamethrower in college

can remember thinking he might score 100 in a college game one day

I agree, his college game was unreal! LSU, correct? I was surprised he didn’t have a better NBA career.

 

[mr. furley]

I remember asking about Chris Jackson/Abdul-Rauf a while back and hearing some cool stories in here. There's a great documentary on Showtime that recently premiered. Definitely worth a watch.

https://www.sho.com/titles/3520874/stand

that dude was a flamethrower in college

can remember thinking he might score 100 in a college game one day

I agree, his college game was unreal! LSU, correct? I was surprised he didn’t have a better NBA career.

yep, LSU. he was a freaking lightning bolt.

he went for 30 a game in college at a high shooting percentage. it always felt like he could score as many points as he wanted on a given night. he was a 3pt shooter pulling up from anywhere when guys weren't doing that. he could score from anywhere. at will.

quick as hell. aggressive. a preternatural scorer.


we're 30+ years out and his legacy is tarnished, he isn't on highlight reels, he isn't talked about anymore. his pro career wasn't as electric but for college players he was a phenomenon. a must watch for guy's my age (i was 14/15 then).

if i was forced to make a comparison in terms of scoring ability and excitement level it would be Steph Curry. if Steph's game has a predecessor, it's Mahmoud's.

 

[Major]

I remember asking about Chris Jackson/Abdul-Rauf a while back and hearing some cool stories in here. There's a great documentary on Showtime that recently premiered. Definitely worth a watch.

https://www.sho.com/titles/3520874/stand

that dude was a flamethrower in college

can remember thinking he might score 100 in a college game one day

I agree, his college game was unreal! LSU, correct? I was surprised he didn’t have a better NBA career.

Yep. He would've if he didn't get blackballed. Really sad story in some ways but amazing in others. I'm happy he's doing great and thriving post NBA.

 

[Major]

if i was forced to make a comparison in terms of scoring ability and excitement level it would be Steph Curry. if Steph's game has a predecessor, it's Mahmoud's.

No doubt. Steph was one of the players who was interviewed in the doc and definitely gave him his flowers.

I found the most interesting parts of the documentary was his off the court stuff - first discovering he had tourettes in high school and how he overcame that. I also didn't realize he wasn't standing for the flag 3-4 months into the season and one day some radio talk show host brought it up and started a sh** storm. Bickerstaff couldn't take the heat and shipped him off to SAC where he wasn't utilized and then got blackballed. Crazy a guy of his caliber would only play 7 full seasons. I also couldn't believe all the racist/anti muslim stuff he endured especially after 9/11 with death threats, etc. The KKK even burned down his dream home on his ranch in Mississippi. Throughout all that, he still remained positive and kept his faith. He's a better man than most.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

if i was forced to make a comparison in terms of scoring ability and excitement level it would be Steph Curry. if Steph's game has a predecessor, it's Mahmoud's.

No doubt. Steph was one of the players who was interviewed in the doc and definitely gave him his flowers.

I found the most interesting parts of the documentary was his off the court stuff - first discovering he had tourettes in high school and how he overcame that. I also didn't realize he wasn't standing for the flag 3-4 months into the season and one day some radio talk show host brought it up and started a sh** storm. Bickerstaff couldn't take the heat and shipped him off to SAC where he wasn't utilized and then got blackballed. Crazy a guy of his caliber would only play 7 full seasons. I also couldn't believe all the racist/anti muslim stuff he endured especially after 9/11 with death threats, etc. The KKK even burned down his dream home on his ranch in Mississippi. Throughout all that, he still remained positive and kept his faith. He's a better man than most.

Jesus. That’s awful.

 

[mr. furley]

if i was forced to make a comparison in terms of scoring ability and excitement level it would be Steph Curry. if Steph's game has a predecessor, it's Mahmoud's.

No doubt. Steph was one of the players who was interviewed in the doc and definitely gave him his flowers.

I found the most interesting parts of the documentary was his off the court stuff - first discovering he had tourettes in high school and how he overcame that. I also didn't realize he wasn't standing for the flag 3-4 months into the season and one day some radio talk show host brought it up and started a sh** storm. Bickerstaff couldn't take the heat and shipped him off to SAC where he wasn't utilized and then got blackballed. Crazy a guy of his caliber would only play 7 full seasons. I also couldn't believe all the racist/anti muslim stuff he endured especially after 9/11 with death threats, etc. The KKK even burned down his dream home on his ranch in Mississippi. Throughout all that, he still remained positive and kept his faith. He's a better man than most.

been meaning to watch the documentary. is it Hulu? Netflix? some other service?

 

[Major]

if i was forced to make a comparison in terms of scoring ability and excitement level it would be Steph Curry. if Steph's game has a predecessor, it's Mahmoud's.

No doubt. Steph was one of the players who was interviewed in the doc and definitely gave him his flowers.

I found the most interesting parts of the documentary was his off the court stuff - first discovering he had tourettes in high school and how he overcame that. I also didn't realize he wasn't standing for the flag 3-4 months into the season and one day some radio talk show host brought it up and started a sh** storm. Bickerstaff couldn't take the heat and shipped him off to SAC where he wasn't utilized and then got blackballed. Crazy a guy of his caliber would only play 7 full seasons. I also couldn't believe all the racist/anti muslim stuff he endured especially after 9/11 with death threats, etc. The KKK even burned down his dream home on his ranch in Mississippi. Throughout all that, he still remained positive and kept his faith. He's a better man than most.

been meaning to watch the documentary. is it Hulu? Netflix? some other service?

Showtime at the moment

 

[identikit]

As I recall, his LSU career overlapped with Shaq's rookie year there

 

[Major]

As I recall, his LSU career overlapped with Shaq's rookie year there

Yep. And also Stanley Roberts. Shaq was interviewed and said he was envious of Jackson at the time. He was used to being BMOC but the little guy was king of LSU.

 

[thecatch]

Kings get Kessler Edwards #championship

 

[Juxtatarot]

Kings get Kessler Edwards #championship

It’s interesting that he agreed to the trade. It’s not like the Kings will play him either.

 

[The Big Donkey]

Irving: Felt 'very disrespected' at times with Nets

Kyrie Irving spoke with reporters after his first practice with the Mavericks on Tuesday and cited a lack of "transparency and honesty" from the Nets' front office as a reason he did not feeling comfortable continuing his career in Brooklyn.

www.espn.com

"There were times throughout this process when I was in Brooklyn where I felt very disrespected and my talent -- I work extremely hard at what I do."

 

[NewlyRetired]

if i was forced to make a comparison in terms of scoring ability and excitement level it would be Steph Curry. if Steph's game has a predecessor, it's Mahmoud's.

In terms of old school players, his career very much resembled Pistol Pete's in terms of being nearly unstoppable in college but for various reasons never achieved the same total dominance in the pros.

 

[mr. furley]

if i was forced to make a comparison in terms of scoring ability and excitement level it would be Steph Curry. if Steph's game has a predecessor, it's Mahmoud's.

In terms of old school players, his career very much resembled Pistol Pete's in terms of being nearly unstoppable in college but for various reasons never achieved the same total dominance in the pros.

i never saw Maravich play, unfortunately

 

[Instinctive]

Rumors of a deal built around Wood/THJ/1st for Ayton (and I assume Crowder?)

THAT would be a deal I like. Which is why I also think it sounds insane and idk why the Suns would go near it unless theyve kept some real Ayton unhappiness mostly under wraps. But...new owner syndrome could be in play.

We're already screwed if when Kyrie doesn't pan out. May as well toss Ayton into it too so when Luka leaves, either Ayton didn't work out and it's tankathon time before 2029 or maybe it works super well with Ayton.

 

[Isiah Thomas]

Rumors of a deal built around Wood/THJ/1st for Ayton (and I assume Crowder?)

Done deal! Need more Michigan men in the house.

 

[whoknew]

Cam Thomas with 24 points at half. Dude is on some kind of heater.

 

[whoknew]

Cam Thomas with 24 points at half. Dude is on some kind of heater.

Finishes with 43. Wow.

@NBAHistory - Cam Thomas is the youngest player in NBA history to record three straight 40+ point games. Only he and Allen Iverson have done it before the age of 22.

 

[Anarchy99]

Jokic with another triple double. By halftime.

 

[mr. furley]

if i was forced to make a comparison in terms of scoring ability and excitement level it would be Steph Curry. if Steph's game has a predecessor, it's Mahmoud's.

No doubt. Steph was one of the players who was interviewed in the doc and definitely gave him his flowers.

I found the most interesting parts of the documentary was his off the court stuff - first discovering he had tourettes in high school and how he overcame that. I also didn't realize he wasn't standing for the flag 3-4 months into the season and one day some radio talk show host brought it up and started a sh** storm. Bickerstaff couldn't take the heat and shipped him off to SAC where he wasn't utilized and then got blackballed. Crazy a guy of his caliber would only play 7 full seasons. I also couldn't believe all the racist/anti muslim stuff he endured especially after 9/11 with death threats, etc. The KKK even burned down his dream home on his ranch in Mississippi. Throughout all that, he still remained positive and kept his faith. He's a better man than most.

been meaning to watch the documentary. is it Hulu? Netflix? some other service?

Showtime at the moment

watched it. that was ********* brilliant.

i'm at the age now where i could cry at a stiff breeze and all.. but this brought me to tears a few times. about time someone told this story.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Just how John Wooden would have drawn it up

https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1622811071659806721?s=20&t=Dqyx3ycwKDaa97gKpLqR0w

 

[mr. furley]

Just how John Wooden would have drawn it up

https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1622811071659806721?s=20&t=Dqyx3ycwKDaa97gKpLqR0w

saw that live on tv last night

it was a *blink* *rubs eyes* "did that happen? let me rewind............ that happened. yow." moment.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Just how John Wooden would have drawn it up

https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1622811071659806721?s=20&t=Dqyx3ycwKDaa97gKpLqR0w

saw that live on tv last night

it was a *blink* *rubs eyes* "did that happen? let me rewind............ that happened. yow." moment.

my favorite part was the announcer saying "time running down......11 on the shot clock" trying to justify the shot selection

 

[ghostguy123]

Stopping the game for this tribute is freaking dumb.
Get the ball away, take a 20 second little thing, and do this after the game.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Bro just dropped the F bomb on live national television

 

[ghostguy123]

That was horrible in every way. So cheesy/corny. Ouch.
At least the F bomb made up for it a little.

 

[ShamrockPride]

That Drake congrats video the dumbest thing I ever seen

 

[Frostillicus]

Stopping the game for this tribute is freaking dumb.
Get the ball away, take a 20 second little thing, and do this after the game.

Why? It's a really big deal and this is a relatively meaningless early February game.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Stopping the game for this tribute is freaking dumb.
Get the ball away, take a 20 second little thing, and do this after the game.

Why? It's a really big deal and this is a relatively meaningless early February game.

Plus, if they end up losing, half the energy is sucked out of the arena.

 

[Capella]

Stopping the game for this tribute is freaking dumb.
Get the ball away, take a 20 second little thing, and do this after the game.

it’s probably the nba’s most important individual record. They stop baseball games when Rickey Henderson sets stolen base records.

People truly will find a way to complain about anything with this guy.

 

[Capella]

Sucks Lebron is stuck on such a crap team. Of course it’s a prison of his own making, but it still sucks all the same.

 

[jobarules]

Local news ran a poll "Is LeBron the greatest of all time?"

96% said NO



Embarrassing to even run that poll

 

[msudaisy26]

Stopping the game for this tribute is freaking dumb.
Get the ball away, take a 20 second little thing, and do this after the game.

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[AAABatteries]

I mean they stopped the game for 30 minutes when Cal got his record. As amazing as his streak was it's not close to being the NBA all-time leading scorer.

 

[Capella]

I mean they stopped the game for 30 minutes when Cal got his record. As amazing as his streak was it's not close to being the NBA all-time leading scorer.

They hate Lebron and no matter what he does they’ll find some way to poke at it. It’s hilarious.