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2022 FBG, 172 to 1 Beatles Countdown 1-25 lists... And 173 to 1 Countdown from 1-64 lists! (1 Viewer)

@lardonastick  and @Just Win Baby have 5 of top 7
Slug has 5 of top 8

@Alex P Keaton also has 6 of top 8.

That missing song "appears" that it will cost you the Top 25 ChalkyChalk race. 
Yeah, I blame John. He trashed it in an interview I listened to while I was doing my rankings lol.

I’ve since learned John hated a bunch of great songs, his singing voice, his guitar playing, et al. Dude had a few issues eh.

(McCartney once said if it takes a messed up childhood to produce artistic genius, he’d rather have his own normal childhood of feeling loved. It was in the context of talking about John and he said it in a very kind, respectful way. They had a good ying yang thing fm different perspectives.)

 
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I believe I remember reading somewhere that Jimmy Page claimed to have had a sitar six months before George Harrison, but just couldn’t figure out how to tune it. No idea if that’s true.
George didn’t meet Ravi Shankar until June, 1966, and his first sitar - not an especially good one - came from a London shop. I know later Ravi taught him a lot, but I’ve never heard how George learned it well enough to add the overdubs on Norwegian Wood.

David Crosby and Roger McGuire turned Harrison onto Ravi Shankar in 1965. Of course he first heard it in an Indian restaurant while filming Help!

When he was a teenager, George would meticulously listen to the same few seconds of an album - over and over and over again, trying to figure which chord he was hearing. That’s the painstaking method he used to teach himself Carl Perkins. I wonder if he did something similar with Ravi’s album?

 
I ranked this song #22. I've always enjoyed gospel music, and for me this song has a spiritual vibe to it. The story of what inspired Paul to write it helps create that feeling.  I love the piano being the main instrument at the beginning of the song coupled with Paul's gentle voice. The song starts to pickup, and the music becomes more powerful, but it never overrides the power of the lyrics. It's a peaceful song with a peaceful message.

I wish I had never seen a clip years ago of the muppet Beetles on Sesame Street singing "Letter B."  I still hear it in my mind when the chorus start.  :wall:

 
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Let It Be
2022 Ranking: 8
2022 Lists: 40
2022 Points: 598
Ranked Highest by: @Yankee23Fan (1) Daughter (1) @falguy (2) @Dinsy Ejotuz (2) @Wrighteous Ray (2) @prosopis (3) @Murph (4) Holly (4) @MAC_32 (4) @ekbeats (5) @Just Win Baby (5) @BobbyLayne (6) @Shaft41 (7) Son2 (7)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 8/20/306

Getz:  Beat (binky massaged) the “Wood” out by one point for 8th.  Only RingoBingoTN on my list. I had it at #5 in 2009.
Double the votes and almost double the points from 2019, yet stayed #8 again.


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  38


2019 write-up:

Let It Be (Let It Be, 1970)

There's nothing I need to say about what I love about this song, since pretty much every other human loves it, and many musicians have described it as a perfect song.  It's such a beautiful vocal; one of my favorites from Paul.  The build on the chorus is gorgeous and compelling; I love how a new texture is added with each repeat.  The backstory is sweet, with Paul having written it during the White Album sessions when his mother came to him in a dream to let him know that things would be all right even though they were ####ty at the time:  "One night during this tense time I had a dream I saw my mum, who'd been dead 10 years or so. And it was so great to see her because that's a wonderful thing about dreams: you actually are reunited with that person for a second...  In the dream she said, 'It'll be all right.' ... I felt very blessed to have that dream. So that got me writing the song 'Let It Be.' I literally started off 'Mother Mary', which was her name, 'When I find myself in times of trouble', which I certainly found myself in."

The reason it's not as high for me as it is for most people is that the lyrics don’t do it for me like they do for others.  As someone who's not religious or spiritual, I don't connect with the lyrics on that level, nor do I feel the encouragement or self-help notions from them that Paul was expressing.  The words "let it be" don't do anything for me.  As a result, while I think it's a beautiful song, it doesn't grab me or move me at all.  Another downside to the song for me is the guitar solo, which sounds cheesy to me and doesn't compare favorably to the guitar parts in other Beatles songs.  Finally, it's a tiny quibble but I dislike the way Paul swallows the "l" about half the times he says "Let it be," after the "speaking words of wisdom" or "whisper words of wisdom" parts (two turns of phrase that I do like, though).  " 'et it be."  Hurts my ears.

That last paragraph makes it seem like I don't enjoy the song; obviously I do for it to rank this highly.  I simply don't enjoy it as much as others, since I fully expect it to be in the top five of the consensus.   

Mr. krista:  "[After playing him the naked version]  I like guitar solo a lot in that version. It was more kind of mrar-mrar, a little more rocking.  It just doesn’t do it for me the way it does most of humanity.  It’s just a fantasy, like if you just wait an answer will come. Mother Mary doesn’t whisper things to do.  People search for answers.  Whisper words – such a lame line.  I’m sure it meant something to Paul McCartney."

Suggested cover:  Does it matter?  Does anything really matter anymore now that I've gone and done this?  

2022 Supplement:  One of the rare instances where hearing a song in the Get Back documentary didn’t vault it into my top 25, but still I gained a renewed appreciation for this song hearing Paul tinkering with it seemingly unnoticed in the background, and then John singing his own version:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2F1p5id8w8  Damn, what a ####### song.

Paul has said that Sting told him this song wasn’t appropriate for Live Aid because it implied inaction when action was required.  Paul said that, to the contrary, this song is not complacent but “about having a sense of the complete picture, about…the global view.”  Paul recalls that the song was written in a time of stress, as the band was heading toward a breakup, and it was taking its toll on all of them.  But being “northern lads,” they just bottled it up and let it go.  “Grin and bear it,” they said.   Then he had a dream about his mother, saw her “beautiful, kind face,” and “immediately felt at ease, loved and protected.”  Just her visage in a dream brought him to a peaceful and comforting place, brought his spirits up, as she told him that would everything would be all right, and he could “let it be.”

:cry:

As to the religious overtones, Paul understands them, but as someone who is not religious in any conventional sense, they aren’t intended.  He does, however, believe is some sort of helpful higher force, and acknowledges that “this song becomes a prayer, or mini-prayer.  There’s a yearning somewhere at its heart.  And the word ‘amen’ itself means ‘so be it’ – or ‘let it be’.”

Guido Merkins

On the Let It Be album John announces, “now we’d like to do Hark The Angels come…” before Paul starts singing the hymn like Let It Be.

People hear the words “Mother Mary” and they assume Paul is talking about the Blessed Mother, but in reality, Paul is talking about his own mother, whose name was Mary and who had died when Paul was 14.  He had a dream one night where his mother appeared to him and told him to “let it be.”  The gradual disintegration of the Beatles was weighing heavy on Paul, who was always, IMO, the Beatles biggest advocate.  It is well established that John and George were losing interest after the touring stopped for various reasons.  By 1968 and the sessions for The Beatles album, tension was at its height.  Around this time, based on the dream Paul had, he wrote Let It Be.  Paul found his mother’s message to be very comforting and so this song was very personal to Paul.

Let It Be has a very similar chord progression to Pachabel’s Canon.  Lots of songs do, actually.  Look up “Pachelbel Rant” on youtube for a funny demonstration of this phenomenon.  Let It Be is a classic piano ballad that seem to flow out of McCartney effortlessly (Hey Jude, Maybe I’m Amazed, Back Seat of My Car, My Love, etc).  There are a few different versions of this song out there.  The main difference between them is the guitar solo.  Let It Be, single, and Let It Be Naked all have different versions.  I’m not the biggest fan of the strings and such by Phil Spector on the Let It Be album, but it’s still my favorite version because of the smoking guitar solo by George.  Comparatively speaking, the other two’s solos are rather boring.  If I could put together my dream version, it would be the single version with the solo from the album.   


Let It Be was one of 4 songs that I was confident would be top 10 that I was leaving off my list (as an aside - still mad at myself for not making time to enter the top 15 contest).  The other 3 of those 4 are still to come but this song, while beautiful, was always destined to not make my list.  I think it's because it makes me sad - memories about some of the stuff from my past as it pertains to my relationship with my Father that even at 47 I haven't completely dealt with and don't anticipate that I ever will let it be

 
Something
2022 Ranking: 7
2022 Lists: 41
2022 Points: 606
Ranked Highest by: @ProstheticRGK (2) Son1 (2) Alex (2) Michael (2) @John Maddens Lunchbox (3) @jwb (3) Slug (3) @turnjose7 (4) @Just Win Baby (4) @Alex P Keaton (5) @DaVinci (5) @neal cassady (5) @Uruk-Hai (6)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 9/17/282

Getz:  Moves up two slots from 2019 with 24 more votes and 324 more points. Finished one 4th place vote from #4.


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  26

2019 write-up:

Something (Abbey Road, 1969)

Guest write-up by Oliver Humanzee

I have a hard time believing that the pie-faced painted stick named Pattie Boyd managed to inspire not just this fantastic song by one of the greatest bands of all time, but also many terrible songs by wealthy racist and hall of fame parent Eric Clapton.
  

Boyd apparently dumped George when he decided that he needed concubines to fulfill his spiritual growth, which was coincidentally when Eric Clapton was making advances.  And despite marrying and divorcing two bajillionaires, her divorce from Clapton left her nearly broke.  She devoted many words of her memoir (entitled, barftastically, Wonderful Tonight) to her adventures in learning how to use public transportation.  Thus proving herself to be as intelligent as she is beautiful.
  


While George was fleshing out the lyrics, John would frequently sing either "a cauliflower" or "a pomegranate" instead of "no other lover" and honestly I prefer those to the lyrics that made it on the record. 
  


The guitar solo is measured and, as Krista would say, languorous, without being plodding or self-conscious.  It neatly propels the song into one of the greatest middle eights in the Beatles' catalogue.
  


And rather than being vague or incomplete, describing his lover's attractive qualities as "something" embraces and wonderfully expresses the ineffable, pre-conscious mystery of human attraction.  Or something. 
  


Krista has more to say about this song than I do, and agreeing to write about it was "something" of a mistake.  It has taken me like 8 hours and the best I could do is crap all over Eric Clapton after reading many excerpts of Boyd's memoirs.  You gotta be fuggin' nuts to do 200 of these.  I'm going to go to bed.

Mrs. Humanzee:  "Frank Sinatra said this was the best love song ever written.  I don't much favor the introductory verse of it, but my three favorite Beatles songs are, in no particular order: (1) the bridge in 'Something,' (2) the drum fills in 'Strawberry Fields Forever,' and (3) the last 23 seconds of 'Polythene Pam' leading into the first 47 seconds of 'She Came In Through The Bathroom Window.'  So I guess I'm saying I both agree and disagree with The Chairman of the Board.  So moved."  

Suggested cover:  George's favorite cover of the song was from James Brown.

2022 Supplement:  As discussed in 2019, it’s all about a fruit-bearing deciduous shrub in the family Lythraceae, subfamily Punicoideae:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JKoFCUaUbY

Guido Merkins

I would love to know what John and Paul were thinking, for real, when George’s All Things Must Pass was such a monumental success upon their breakup.  Was it like “Holy crap, what did we do?”  Was it “where did that come from?”  In reality, however, everyone should have seen it coming.  George’s material on The Beatles and Abbey Road was top notch.

So top notch, in fact, that one song, Something became the first A side on a Beatles single written by George Harrison.  Something announces itself as a classic love song from the first note.  Frank Sinatra called it the greatest love song ever written and “the greatest Lennon and McCartney song ever.”  Poor George.  Always struggling for respect and recognition…..at least until he wrote Something.

It’s kind of cool that I get to do that after the Get Back documentary so that I can talk about stuff like George not knowing what to do for the line “attracts me like……” and had been putting in “attracts me like a pomegranate” until he came up with the phrase “attracts me like no other lover.”  We know George’s wife Pattie inspired Eric Clapton’s Layla and it was assumed Something was also written about Pattie, but George was always a bit evasive on that, so I’ll say undecided on that.

So what do I like about the song.  It’s a gorgeous melody, first and foremost.  And that guitar solo is absolutely lovely.  Can’t picture another thing in that song other than that solo.  Geoff Emerick claimed that George actually recorded that solo live onto tape in one take along with the orchestra.  Not sure if that;s true, but if it is, it shows how confident George had become as a guitar player by that point.  

Something and My Sweet Lord are probably the two songs that George is known most for now.  It is a stone cold classic that belongs with the absolute best that John and Paul or anybody else wrote.  

 
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The Fab 11 with each having all six remaining songs to appear. Kinda of surprised this number is this low.

 

61 --shuke---19

62 --WorrierKing---19

63 --Alex P Keaton---19

64 --Gr00vus---19

65 --turnjose7---19

66 --Dinsy Ejotuz---19

67 --Just Win Baby---19

68 --falguy---19

69 --Ilov80s---19

70 --Tom Hagen---19

71 --pecorino---19

 
Guess The Final Order Of The Top 15 Contest (after song 7)

Tom Hagen-15

Shaft41-15

fatguyinalittlecoat-11

falguy-11

ekbeats-11

Binky The Doormat-10

Murph-9

landrys hat-9

Heckmanm-8

lardonastick-8

Pip's Invitation-7

Simey-6

BobbyLayne-6


 

Something

Shaft41-3

ekbeats-3

landrys hat-3

Murph-3

Tom Hagen-1

falguy-1

fatguyinalittlecoat-1

Binky The Doormat-1

lardonastick-1

BobbyLayne-1

Pip's Invitation-1

Simey-

Heckmanm-

 
With the last 3 decimating my list, I only have 3 of the top 6.

I know the likely #1 here....i just dont like it. 

Another just missed my top #25. Really curious what the other one is. Either i thought its already been listed or a total whiff. 

 
I ranked this song as my #23 favorite. I've loved this song from the first time I heard the intro with Ringo's drums and George's guitar. I find the song so relaxing and pretty. George's voice is calming, and the music is so soothing. I love George's guitar, especially the solo, Paul's bass, Ringo's drums, John on piano and Billy on organ, and there is just enough strings to add some extra beauty to it, and the lyrics aren't too mushy. 

Watching the video, I had a mini bike in the 70s that was a lot like the one Ringo is riding. It was a Honda that was red and white. It had three gears that were on the left side near my foot. I was hell on wheels on that thing when I was little. 🏍️

 
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Something is such a great song. Brings back a lot of memories for me. I'm an unabashed George fanboi, and this is one of his best. Love the guitar- cool stroy from @Guido Merkinsabout him nailing it in one take with the orchestra. And this song showcases (as well as my #1) what I love best about George's voice: the dreamy, otherworldly quality that makes it so powerful.

 
Watching the video, I had a mini bike in the 70s that was a lot like the one Ringo is riding. It was a Honda that was red and white. It had three gears that were on the left side near my foot. I was hell on wheels on that thing when I was little. 🏍️
Honda 50

top speed 35 mph

the color was candy apple red

:hifive:

(probably)

got mine in 1968 - I was a few months shy of turning 6

the way my parents raised us in the 60s would land us in CPS these days 

 
Something
2022 Ranking: 7
2022 Lists: 41
2022 Points: 606
Ranked Highest by: @ProstheticRGK (2) Son1 (2) Alex (2) Michael (2) @John Maddens Lunchbox (3) @jwb (3) Slug (3) @turnjose7 (4) @Just Win Baby (4) @Alex P Keaton (5) @DaVinci (5) @neal cassady (5) @Uruk-Hai (6)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 9/17/282

Getz:  Moves up two slots from 2019 with 24 more votes and 324 more points. Finished one 4th place vote from #4.


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  26

2019 write-up:

Something (Abbey Road, 1969)

Guest write-up by Oliver Humanzee

I have a hard time believing that the pie-faced painted stick named Pattie Boyd managed to inspire not just this fantastic song by one of the greatest bands of all time, but also many terrible songs by wealthy racist and hall of fame parent Eric Clapton.
  

Boyd apparently dumped George when he decided that he needed concubines to fulfill his spiritual growth, which was coincidentally when Eric Clapton was making advances.  And despite marrying and divorcing two bajillionaires, her divorce from Clapton left her nearly broke.  She devoted many words of her memoir (entitled, barftastically, Wonderful Tonight) to her adventures in learning how to use public transportation.  Thus proving herself to be as intelligent as she is beautiful.
  


While George was fleshing out the lyrics, John would frequently sing either "a cauliflower" or "a pomegranate" instead of "no other lover" and honestly I prefer those to the lyrics that made it on the record. 
  


The guitar solo is measured and, as Krista would say, languorous, without being plodding or self-conscious.  It neatly propels the song into one of the greatest middle eights in the Beatles' catalogue.
  


And rather than being vague or incomplete, describing his lover's attractive qualities as "something" embraces and wonderfully expresses the ineffable, pre-conscious mystery of human attraction.  Or something. 
  


Krista has more to say about this song than I do, and agreeing to write about it was "something" of a mistake.  It has taken me like 8 hours and the best I could do is crap all over Eric Clapton after reading many excerpts of Boyd's memoirs.  You gotta be fuggin' nuts to do 200 of these.  I'm going to go to bed.

Mrs. Humanzee:  "Frank Sinatra said this was the best love song ever written.  I don't much favor the introductory verse of it, but my three favorite Beatles songs are, in no particular order: (1) the bridge in 'Something,' (2) the drum fills in 'Strawberry Fields Forever,' and (3) the last 23 seconds of 'Polythene Pam' leading into the first 47 seconds of 'She Came In Through The Bathroom Window.'  So I guess I'm saying I both agree and disagree with The Chairman of the Board.  So moved."  

Suggested cover:  George's favorite cover of the song was from James Brown.

2022 Supplement:  As discussed in 2019, it’s all about a fruit-bearing deciduous shrub in the family Lythraceae, subfamily Punicoideae:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JKoFCUaUbY

Guido Merkins

I would love to know what John and Paul were thinking, for real, when George’s All Things Must Pass was such a monumental success upon their breakup.  Was it like “Holy crap, what did we do?”  Was it “where did that come from?”  In reality, however, everyone should have seen it coming.  George’s material on The Beatles and Abbey Road was top notch.

So top notch, in fact, that one song, Something became the first A side on a Beatles single written by George Harrison.  Something announces itself as a classic love song from the first note.  Frank Sinatra called it the greatest love song ever written and “the greatest Lennon and McCartney song ever.”  Poor George.  Always struggling for respect and recognition…..at least until he wrote Something.

It’s kind of cool that I get to do that after the Get Back documentary so that I can talk about stuff like George not knowing what to do for the line “attracts me like……” and had been putting in “attracts me like a pomegranate” until he came up with the phrase “attracts me like no other lover.”  We know George’s wife Pattie inspired Eric Clapton’s Layla and it was assumed Something was also written about Pattie, but George was always a bit evasive on that, so I’ll say undecided on that.

So what do I like about the song.  It’s a gorgeous melody, first and foremost.  And that guitar solo is absolutely lovely.  Can’t picture another thing in that song other than that solo.  Geoff Emerick claimed that George actually recorded that solo live onto tape in one take along with the orchestra.  Not sure if that;s true, but if it is, it shows how confident George had become as a guitar player by that point.  

Something and My Sweet Lord are probably the two songs that George is known most for now.  It is a stone cold classic that belongs with the absolute best that John and Paul or anybody else wrote.  
I'm surprised Something (Binky: Nothing) isn't higher but the remaining songs are all amazing so I guess Something had to give. Just a beautiful song in every way. It's not my favorite George song, but I wouldn't argue with anyone that thinks it's his best song. 

 
Here Comes The Sun
2022 Ranking: 6
2022 Lists: 39
2022 Points: 618
Ranked Highest by: @Dr. Octopus (1) @Tom Hagen (1) Alex (1) @Westerberg (2) @turnjose7 (3) @Alex P Keaton (3) Daughter (3) OH Dad (3) @Gr00vus (4) @worrierking (4) @Pip's Invitation (4) @Uruk-Hai (5) @simey (5) @falguy (5) @fatguyinalittlecoat (5)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 2/29/463

Getz: One 16th place vote from 4th place, 10 points. 15 Top 5 and 26 Top 10 votes. Yet only 10 more votes and 155 more points than 2019, and thus, falls from #2 to #6. I had this at #22, down from #14 in 2019.


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  17

2019 write-up:

Here Comes The Sun (Abbey Road, 1969)

Although this song is musically much more intricate and complicated than it seems, I'm not going to drone on and on about the musicality or analyze the structure, because what I love about this song is that it's joyous and luminous and perfect.  The song came about in a way that, based on the lyrics, isn't at all surprising.  George was getting fed up with all the business parts of being a musician, including all the tension at Apple due to the hiring of Allan Klein, the meetings with bankers and lawyers, the never-ending paperwork:  "Anyway, it seems as if winter in England goes on forever; by the time spring comes you really deserve it. So one day I decided I was going to sag off Apple and I went over to Eric Clapton's house. The relief of not having to go and see all those dopey accountants was wonderful, and I walked around the garden with one of Eric's acoustic guitars and wrote Here Comes The Sun."

Sadly, John did not participate in this song due to first his car accident and then...I dunno, being John, I guess.  The song isn't lacking anything by John's absence, though.  George's vocal on this song is so sweet and pure, and he's supported well by a mysterious group of orchestral musicians that have never been identified, Paul on lovely backing vocals and bass, and especially by Ringo doing what Ringo does best - providing subtle support for the song and then adding a bit of depth where needed with fills and changes.  The time signatures and changes in the song are incredible, but since I vowed not to analyze composition and structure, I"ll just tell you that George first described the song to Ringo as being "in seven-and-one-half time," and the song is variously in 7/8, 11/8, 4/4, and 2/4!

One unusual part worth mentioning is that George using a Moog synthesizer, which had only just been invented and George had had specially made.  George admitted that when it arrived he had absolutely no idea how to use this monstrous contraption, which I think turned out well because the simple sounds he was able to get out of it complemented the song beautifully without going overboard.

Seems fitting that the last song from "Quiet Beatle" would be so quietly perfect.

Mr. krista:  "That’s a great song.  Seems like a song Stevie Wonder could have written, but with a great George Harrison riff."

Suggested cover:  Please enjoy one of my top five favorite Beatles covers of all time:  Richie Havens  Here's his entire set at Woodstock, including this song

2022 Supplement:  Welcome to my top 10, “Here Comes The Sun”!  I don’t know how I left it off in 2019 and blame temporary insanity. 

In late 2019, a previously unreleased version of this song was included in the Abbey Road 50th anniversary sets.  Take 9 shows a fully formed song and George in beautiful voice, with the unexpected weak spot being Ringo’s drumming:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIt8GN2sr4I  No worries, though, as he mastered the “seven-and-a-half time” in the finished product.

Since I don’t have a lot more to say about this wonderful song, instead I’ll talk about his lovely companion song, “Here Comes the Moon,” which was released in 1979 and was my #141 favorite post-Beatles song:

141. Here Comes The Moon (George Harrison, 1979)  Spotify  YouTube

(George #43)

According to Stevie Nicks, who happened by and helped on the song, this began as a parody of “Here Comes The Sun,” but they wrote about the moon because they were “all such night birds.”  The song bears little resemblance to “Here Comes The Sun,” though; to me it emanates a dreaminess that seems fitting for the fade into nighttime as the moon appears.  While the lyrics might not seem to amount to much, I think they give a firm sense of place, as I can picture myself in Hawaii where George wrote the song, watching the moon arrive with a sense of anticipation.  This was written in the same timeframe as “Your Love Is Forever” and released on the same album and, like that one, comes from a place of contentment in George’s life.  It feels mystical and hypnotic in describing a sublime experience for George.  Also, those descending arpeggios on the guitar do it for me, as do the Beatle-y layered vocals.  I could do without the twinkling sounds, which I assume represent stars, but it’s a small-ish quibble.

Guido Merkins

By 1969 things were bad for the Beatles.  The main issue was that, since Brian Epstein’s death, the Beatles were no longer only in the business of creating and recording music.  They now had to play business man, which none of them were thrilled to have to do.  Especially George Harrison.

Winters in England are harsh so there is great joy once spring finally arrives.  One day, George Harrison channeled teenage George Harrison, but instead of skipping school, he ‘sagged off' another business meeting at Apple and went over to Eric Clapton’s house.  Sitting in the garden with one of Eric’s guitars he felt great to NOT be at work and able to enjoy the beautiful spring day.   So lyrics like “long cold lonely winter” and “I feel that ice is slowly melting” are a direct reference to the winter finally being over.

The most distinguishing characteristic of the song is the fingerpicking throughout the song, played high up on the neck of the guitar with a capo on the 7th fret and noodling about in D major.  It has kind of a ringing or a chiming type sound, almost like If I Needed Someone.  Also, there is on this song, and other songs on Abbey Road, the Beatles first use of a Moog synthesizer in the intro.  Ringo’s drumming is great too on this song, especially since this is one of those songs with shifting time signatures.  4/4 through most of it, but changing to 11/8 and 7/8 during the “sun sun sun, here it comes” part.  George was absolutely channeling his knowledge of Indian music with the shifting time signatures.  

Here Comes the Sun is a song I was not familiar with when I first started listening to the Beatles and, for whatever reason, at first I thought it was John. But as it is, George, but this time, was capable of writing songs as good as John and Paul and this is one of them. 

 
Guess The Final Order Of The Top 15 Contest (after song 6)

Tom Hagen-16

Shaft41-16

ekbeats-14

fatguyinalittlecoat-12

falguy-12

Binky The Doormat-10

Murph-10

landrys hat-10

lardonastick-9

BobbyLayne-9

Heckmanm-8

Pip's Invitation-8

Simey-7



 

Here Comes The Sun

@ekbeats-3 (3rd-in-a-row.  3 pointers will know be known as "Ekbeats")

BobbyLayne-3

Shaft41-1

landrys hat-1

Murph-1

Tom Hagen-1

falguy-1

fatguyinalittlecoat-1

lardonastick-1

Pip's Invitation-1

Simey-1

 
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Second to have my top 10 all posted.

1.--Hey Bulldog(30)

2.--Eleanor Rigby(12)

3.--Help!(11)

4.--A Hard Days Night(15)

5.--Get Back(26)

6.--Ticket To Ride(16)

7.--Day Tripper(32)

8.--Let It Be(8)

9.--I Feel Fine(51)

10.--I Want To Hold Your Hand(21)

11.--

12.--Rain(42)

13.--She Loves You(38)

14.--Things We Said Today(37)

15.--I Should Have Known Better(93)

16.--Mother Nature's Son(104)

17.--I Saw Her Standing There(43)

18.--

19.--Hello Goodbye(56)

20.--We Can Work it Out(29)

21.--Helter Skelter(35)

22.--Here Comes The Sun(6)

23.--Paperback Writer(47)

24.--Two Of Us(41)

25.--Norwegian Wood(9)

 
Down to five songs left, and @Encyclopedia Brown is still the only one with all 25 of his songs posted.

 

2 --anarchy99---24

3 --ManOfSteelhead---24

4 --Krista (Sharon)---24

5 --Wrighteous Ray(Hub)---24

6 --Krista (Worth)---24

7 --Krista (TJ/Michael)---24

8 --DaVinci---24

9 --Krista (TJ/Alex)---24

10 --FairWarning---23

11 --OTB_Lifer---23

12 --Oliver Humanzee---23

13 --Krista (Craig)---23

14 --Heckmanm---23

15 --Shaft41(Son1)---23

16 --Krista (Rob)---23

17 --Getzlaf15---23

18 --Uruk-Hai---23

19 --Shaft41(Daughter)---23

20 --John Maddens Lunchbox---23

 
So I haven't posted this in 25 songs....  

I'm shocked that I am #3.  But only have two songs left, so no way I wind up there.

At this point, the list means that these voters have the chalkiest lists with five songs to be posted.

 

Chalk Rankings Top 10. #6 = 167 pts. each Sponsored by: Homes For Choc full of Nuts

1 --Oliver Humanzee(Dad)---3204

2 --Heckmanm---3194

3 --Getzlaf15---3177

4 --BobbyLayne---3168

5 --Krista (TJ/Alex)---3141

6 --Dr. Octopus---3114

7 --yankee23fan---3110

8 --Ted Lange as your Bartender---3087

9 --WhoKnew---3065

10 --  @krista4---3061

 
Here Comes The Sun
2022 Ranking: 6
2022 Lists: 39
2022 Points: 618
Ranked Highest by: @Dr. Octopus (1) @Tom Hagen (1) Alex (1) @Westerberg (2) @turnjose7 (3) @Alex P Keaton (3) Daughter (3) OH Dad (3) @Gr00vus (4) @worrierking (4) @Pip's Invitation (4) @Uruk-Hai (5) @simey (5) @falguy (5) @fatguyinalittlecoat (5)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 2/29/463

Getz: One 16th place vote from 4th place, 10 points. 15 Top 5 and 26 Top 10 votes. Yet only 10 more votes and 155 more points than 2019, and thus, falls from #2 to #6. I had this at #22, down from #14 in 2019.


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  17

2019 write-up:

Here Comes The Sun (Abbey Road, 1969)

Although this song is musically much more intricate and complicated than it seems, I'm not going to drone on and on about the musicality or analyze the structure, because what I love about this song is that it's joyous and luminous and perfect.  The song came about in a way that, based on the lyrics, isn't at all surprising.  George was getting fed up with all the business parts of being a musician, including all the tension at Apple due to the hiring of Allan Klein, the meetings with bankers and lawyers, the never-ending paperwork:  "Anyway, it seems as if winter in England goes on forever; by the time spring comes you really deserve it. So one day I decided I was going to sag off Apple and I went over to Eric Clapton's house. The relief of not having to go and see all those dopey accountants was wonderful, and I walked around the garden with one of Eric's acoustic guitars and wrote Here Comes The Sun."

Sadly, John did not participate in this song due to first his car accident and then...I dunno, being John, I guess.  The song isn't lacking anything by John's absence, though.  George's vocal on this song is so sweet and pure, and he's supported well by a mysterious group of orchestral musicians that have never been identified, Paul on lovely backing vocals and bass, and especially by Ringo doing what Ringo does best - providing subtle support for the song and then adding a bit of depth where needed with fills and changes.  The time signatures and changes in the song are incredible, but since I vowed not to analyze composition and structure, I"ll just tell you that George first described the song to Ringo as being "in seven-and-one-half time," and the song is variously in 7/8, 11/8, 4/4, and 2/4!

One unusual part worth mentioning is that George using a Moog synthesizer, which had only just been invented and George had had specially made.  George admitted that when it arrived he had absolutely no idea how to use this monstrous contraption, which I think turned out well because the simple sounds he was able to get out of it complemented the song beautifully without going overboard.

Seems fitting that the last song from "Quiet Beatle" would be so quietly perfect.

Mr. krista:  "That’s a great song.  Seems like a song Stevie Wonder could have written, but with a great George Harrison riff."

Suggested cover:  Please enjoy one of my top five favorite Beatles covers of all time:  Richie Havens  Here's his entire set at Woodstock, including this song

2022 Supplement:  Welcome to my top 10, “Here Comes The Sun”!  I don’t know how I left it off in 2019 and blame temporary insanity. 

In late 2019, a previously unreleased version of this song was included in the Abbey Road 50th anniversary sets.  Take 9 shows a fully formed song and George in beautiful voice, with the unexpected weak spot being Ringo’s drumming:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIt8GN2sr4I  No worries, though, as he mastered the “seven-and-a-half time” in the finished product.

Since I don’t have a lot more to say about this wonderful song, instead I’ll talk about his lovely companion song, “Here Comes the Moon,” which was released in 1979 and was my #141 favorite post-Beatles song:

141. Here Comes The Moon (George Harrison, 1979)  Spotify  YouTube

(George #43)

According to Stevie Nicks, who happened by and helped on the song, this began as a parody of “Here Comes The Sun,” but they wrote about the moon because they were “all such night birds.”  The song bears little resemblance to “Here Comes The Sun,” though; to me it emanates a dreaminess that seems fitting for the fade into nighttime as the moon appears.  While the lyrics might not seem to amount to much, I think they give a firm sense of place, as I can picture myself in Hawaii where George wrote the song, watching the moon arrive with a sense of anticipation.  This was written in the same timeframe as “Your Love Is Forever” and released on the same album and, like that one, comes from a place of contentment in George’s life.  It feels mystical and hypnotic in describing a sublime experience for George.  Also, those descending arpeggios on the guitar do it for me, as do the Beatle-y layered vocals.  I could do without the twinkling sounds, which I assume represent stars, but it’s a small-ish quibble.

Guido Merkins

By 1969 things were bad for the Beatles.  The main issue was that, since Brian Epstein’s death, the Beatles were no longer only in the business of creating and recording music.  They now had to play business man, which none of them were thrilled to have to do.  Especially George Harrison.

Winters in England are harsh so there is great joy once spring finally arrives.  One day, George Harrison channeled teenage George Harrison, but instead of skipping school, he ‘sagged off' another business meeting at Apple and went over to Eric Clapton’s house.  Sitting in the garden with one of Eric’s guitars he felt great to NOT be at work and able to enjoy the beautiful spring day.   So lyrics like “long cold lonely winter” and “I feel that ice is slowly melting” are a direct reference to the winter finally being over.

The most distinguishing characteristic of the song is the fingerpicking throughout the song, played high up on the neck of the guitar with a capo on the 7th fret and noodling about in D major.  It has kind of a ringing or a chiming type sound, almost like If I Needed Someone.  Also, there is on this song, and other songs on Abbey Road, the Beatles first use of a Moog synthesizer in the intro.  Ringo’s drumming is great too on this song, especially since this is one of those songs with shifting time signatures.  4/4 through most of it, but changing to 11/8 and 7/8 during the “sun sun sun, here it comes” part.  George was absolutely channeling his knowledge of Indian music with the shifting time signatures.  

Here Comes the Sun is a song I was not familiar with when I first started listening to the Beatles and, for whatever reason, at first I thought it was John. But as it is, George, but this time, was capable of writing songs as good as John and Paul and this is one of them. 
This is my #1 and there wasn't any debate in my mind, this was always going to be #1.  The melody, lyrics and George's vocals are all great but that's not why I love this song.  I love it because more than any other piece of music I have ever listened to, it brings me absolute joy every single time I hear it. No matter what is going on in my life, the first few notes of Here Comes the Sun causes an involuntary smile and I am instantly in a better mood. 

I didn't tell this story in Krista's original thread, but I lost my mother in 2017 after an 8 month battle with pancreatic cancer. There was a Saturday in the middle of that period where she was in the hospital struggling with chemo. My wife and I had plans that day that had to be scrapped and I was feeling pretty down on the way to the hospital when Here Comes the Sun came on the radio.  Even in one of the worst periods of my life, I listened to it and smiled and nothing seemed quite as bad. I probably listened to it 25 more times over the next few months and it never failed to instill a feeling of optimism.  There is no happy ending to this story, but maybe that's kind of the point.  The sun came up the next day and every day since and things get better eventually.

 
The "Write Up" Google Doc I set up for @krista4 and @Guido Merkins wound up having around 465 pages filled with their amazing cutting and pasting.

FOUR HUNDRED and SIXTY-FIVE FREAKING PAGES.

I'm in awe of the work they put in and how excellent the write ups tuned out.
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Just another random stat.

 

 
This is my #1 and there wasn't any debate in my mind, this was always going to be #1.  The melody, lyrics and George's vocals are all great but that's not why I love this song.  I love it because more than any other piece of music I have ever listened to, it brings me absolute joy every single time I hear it. No matter what is going on in my life, the first few notes of Here Comes the Sun causes an involuntary smile and I am instantly in a better mood. 

I didn't tell this story in Krista's original thread, but I lost my mother in 2017 after an 8 month battle with pancreatic cancer. There was a Saturday in the middle of that period where she was in the hospital struggling with chemo. My wife and I had plans that day that had to be scrapped and I was feeling pretty down on the way to the hospital when Here Comes the Sun came on the radio.  Even in one of the worst periods of my life, I listened to it and smiled and nothing seemed quite as bad. I probably listened to it 25 more times over the next few months and it never failed to instill a feeling of optimism.  There is no happy ending to this story, but maybe that's kind of the point.  The sun came up the next day and every day since and things get better eventually.


Breaking my self-imposed hiatus because I can't let this post pass without telling you how perfect and lovely it is.  Thank you so much for sharing that.  :heart:  

(Coincidentally I lost my dad to pancreatic cancer in 1997 and also have a similar experience of having heard a particular song on my way to the hospital once, and I used it from then on to try to keep my spirits up.)

 
Something is such a great song. Brings back a lot of memories for me. I'm an unabashed George fanboi, and this is one of his best. Love the guitar- cool stroy from @Guido Merkinsabout him nailing it in one take with the orchestra. And this song showcases (as well as my #1) what I love best about George's voice: the dreamy, otherworldly quality that makes it so powerful.
Something was one of my last cuts and I would find a way to have it in my top 25 if we did the ranking today.   I have been listening to this song a lot lately and it continues to get better each listen.   

 
So I haven't posted this in 25 songs....  

I'm shocked that I am #3.  But only have two songs left, so no way I wind up there.

At this point, the list means that these voters have the chalkiest lists with five songs to be posted.

 

Chalk Rankings Top 10. #6 = 167 pts. each Sponsored by: Homes For Choc full of Nuts

1 --Oliver Humanzee(Dad)---3204

2 --Heckmanm---3194

3 --Getzlaf15---3177

4 --BobbyLayne---3168

5 --Krista (TJ/Alex)---3141

6 --Dr. Octopus---3114

7 --yankee23fan---3110

8 --Ted Lange as your Bartender---3087

9 --WhoKnew---3065

10 --  @krista4---3061
I've only got 2 songs left (my #4 and #8), so I'll end up somewhere between 3531 and 3537 points.  Somebody with 5 songs left is going to add >800 points, so I'll get passed up pretty quickly.

1 Eleanor Rigby (12)
2 And Your Bird Can Sing (31)
3 Two Of Us (41)
4
5 Taxman (22)
6 Get Back (26)
7 Ticket to Ride (16)

9 I've Just Seen a Face (14)
10 Don't Let Me Down (25)
11 Day Tripper (32)
12 Hey Bulldog (30)
13 Tomorrow Never Knows (17)
14 Drive My Car (62)
15 Come Together (20)
16 Happiness is a Warm Gun (39)
17 Strawberry Fields Forever (13)
18 Savoy Truffle (80)
19 I've Got A Feeling (46)
20 A Hard Day's Night (15)
21 Back in the USSR (40)
22 Penny Lane (24)
23 Let it Be (8)
24 Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (55)
25 Wait (117)

 
good book, recommended 
After five more songs, you can have the book.

Right before I hit the submit button here to post a song, I cut and paste the entire finished product with all the color, song links and @'s    to another google doc. Don't know how many pages it is.  It will have every song I posted from #1 to #172 in order.  And I'll post a link to it. 

 
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While My Guitar Gently Weeps
2022 Ranking: 5
2022 Lists: 39
2022 Points: 625
Ranked Highest by: @Dinsy Ejotuz (1) @ProstheticRGK (1) @Ilov80s (1) @Just Win Baby (1) @ConstruxBoy (1) @Pip's Invitation (2) @rockaction (2) @AAABatteries (2) @MAC_32 (2) @zamboni (3) @FairWarning (4) @BobbyLayne (5) @Tom Hagen (5) @Yankee23Fan (5) @prosopis (6) @lardonastick (7) @worrierking (7) @turnjose7 (7) @Westerberg (7)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 3/28/428

Getz:  Finished one 22nd pick from #4, four points. I had it at #11, down from #3 in 2019.
This is the song that kept climbing when “Wood” kept falling. Six of the last seven voters ranked this 2/1/4/7/6/8. 
With 8 lists left to be counted, “Wood” was #4 and Weeps was #9. “Weeps” was #11 after 35 ballots had been counted.
Fave all time cover of mine - Prince, Tom Petty, Steve Winwood, Jeff Lynne, Dahni Harrison and others



Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  20

2019 write-up:

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (White Album, 1968)

George's inspiration for this song began with a notion he gleaned from I Ching:  "In the West we think of coincidence as being something that just happens...  But the Eastern concept is that whatever happens is all meant to be, and that there's no such thing as coincidence - every little item that's going down has a purpose....I decided to write a song based on the first thing I saw upon opening any book – as it would be relative to that moment, at that time.  I picked up a book at random, opened it – saw 'gently weeps' – then laid the book down again and started the song."  I likewise decided to write a song based on this inspiration, so just now opened my favorite book, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, stabbed my finger in without looking, and got:  "Mongolian" and "cheese."  I'm not sure I'm going to get the same masterpiece out of these two words, but I'll do my best.

The introduction to this song is one of my favorites in any Beatles composition; there's something about the way it builds that's like no other.  (Yes, I did that.)  Those sometimes-doubled piano notes begin a driving tempo, with the guitars and hi-hat adding to this progression toward what we know is going to be exciting.  While I love the groove of the verses, my favorite part of the song is that bridge, especially the double-tracked soaring vocals and the organ on those high notes.  I think the transitions on this song are especially good, especially the last note of the second verse becoming the first note of the guitar solo.  With each transition, the song seems to become fuller and more infectious, as more instrumentation is added and the energy increases, building to that wonderful moaning fade-out.  George's vocal sounds more confident and wildly more expressive on this song than I hear in his prior work; to me, with the possible exception of "Here Comes The Sun," he's never sounded better on a Beatles track.  

I expect that what many people love here is the guitar solo, but I'd find the song just as appealing without it.  Though I don't feel as strongly about it as Mr. krista apparently does (below), I would love this song even more if it were George on the lead guitar.  I'm just such a fan of George's style and manner of expressing himself through his guitar, and I'd like to have heard the entire song as being an extension of George's emotions instead of what I find so on-the-nose as to be a little wan and colorless.  George did initially try to do a backward guitar solo himself, such as he'd pioneered in "I'm Only Sleeping," and during earlier sessions also had John on electric guitar instead, but he wasn't satisfied with any of these early recordings, in part because he (likely correctly) thought the others weren't taking the song seriously or giving much effort to it.  A bit bummed out, George had an idea while driving into London with Eric Clapton, and he asked Clapton to perform the solo instead.  Clapton recorded the solo in one take, with a bunch of flanging added later at his request to make it sound more Beatles-y.  Credit to him, then, for giving George some encouragement when the other Beatles weren't; he also lifted the spirits of the group generally during the otherwise tense sessions.  Paul recalls Clapton being nice, accommodating, and allowing them all to have "good fun" for a while. 

Dozens of recordings of this song were made and scrapped with a variety of instrumentation, different line-ups, different almost everything.  I usually don't post any of these early versions in my write-ups, mostly because I'm already taking so much time and valuable FBG space with each one, but the first take of this song, with only George and Paul, is special. George's vocal is spectacular!

Mr. krista:  "The weeping guitar is just the cheesiest effect. And I feel like bringing Clapton in gives this veneer of professionalism that makes it so boring.  Outside of Cream and the Yardbirds, he is just so ####### boring. They bring him in just to en-boring something.  I don’t know, this is rough-edged and exciting and seemed to express the artist. Let’s just spread wax over it all and look, I’m making the guitar weep.  Mememememe.  Listen, it’s like weeping.  ####### hack. I wish he’d fallen out the window."

Suggested cover:  Aw, you know I'm not going to post anything but this.  

2022 Supplement:  This song moved out of my top 25 this year, mostly to make way for nearly all of Let It Be.  :lol: It’s still one of my tip-toppiest, though, with the introductory piano part pulling in as strongly as ever. 

I was excited to share the Anthology 3 acoustic version of this song in this supplement, and then saw I already did that in 2019.  blahblah I don’t read my own posts blahblahblah  Really, it’s worth a listen.

Guido Merkins

It’s no secret that at some point between 1966’s Revolver and 1967’s Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band, George Harrison had kind of lost interest in the guitar.  He discovered Indian music sometime in 1965 and he became obsessed with it.  He started sitar lessons with the great Ravi Shankar and began to focus his time on mastering the complex instrument.  His contribution to Pepper was Within You Without You, which was an Indian piece and his other song It’s Only A Northern song was rejected.  Sometime between Sgt Pepper and the White album, George decided that he would never be a great sitar player, so he started spending time with the guitar again.

Armed with the lessons he had learned with forays into Indian music, he began to write pop songs again and one of the best, and his best up to this point was a song called While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

On Anthology 3 there is an acoustic version of the song where George is using a fingerpicking style that all the Beatles picked up in India from Donovan (Julia and Blackbird).  But, as usual, George felt that John and Paul were not really taking the song seriously, but George knew it was a good song.  So then enters Eric Clapton.  George invites Eric to come and play on this song because he knew that having another person in the studio would make the others “behave.”  Despite Eric’s protests of “nobody plays on the Beatles records except the Beatles”, Eric showed up and the song took a much different path.

I love the piano intro to the song (Paul’s idea).  I love the harmonies (Paul again).  Of course the guitar playing throughout.  Clapton insisted that they change the sound on the guitar to make it sound more like the Beatles, so you get this wonderful flutter on the guitar, which was Automatic Double Tracking applied during the mixing stage.  This song was the first George Harrison song that would be considered a staple of the Beatles and it was played alongside all the John and Paul songs on classic rock radio throughout the 70s.  

 
Four songs left to go, and ONLY two lists have had all 25 songs posted.

@DaVinci was the second to have all songs posted.

So that means 69 of the 71 voters voted for at least one of the final four songs.

Songs Left:
0 - 2 voters
1 - 11 voters
2 - 13 voters
3 - 27 voters
4 - 18 voters

 
I’ll admit this moved so far up in my rankings because of the Grey Album by Danger Mouse and @Ilov80srank of this song last time (don't think I wasn't researching and paying some sort of attention! That caught my eye). It was enough to rate it so highly.

The sampled work in the Grey Album gives me chills. 

 
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Guess The Final Order Of The Top 15 Contest (after song 5)

Shaft41-21

Tom Hagen-19

ekbeats-15

fatguyinalittlecoat-13

landrys hat-13

falguy-12

Binky The Doormat-11

Murph-11

Pip's Invitation-11

lardonastick-10

BobbyLayne-10

Heckmanm-8

Simey-8

5 = exact guess, 3 = one off either way, 1 = guess made Top 15


 

While My Guitar Gently Weeps

Shaft41-5

landrys hat-3

Tom Hagen-3

Pip's Invitation-3

ekbeats-1

BobbyLayne-1

Murph-1

fatguyinalittlecoat-1

lardonastick-1

Simey-1

Binky The Doormat-1 (another BinkyBingo! (off by two))

falguy-

Heckmanm-

 
glad to see the George love so dominant!!

on another note - had this estimated at #7 ...this is OF COURSE is #5 ...just one away from a 3-bagger.

this is now 5, count'em 5 songs I missed getting the 3-bagger by 1 spot  

reaction.

 
I hate, While My Guitar, so much.  Even more than Penny Lane.  Both trash.

On a side note, I have hated Clapton since like 1984 when I was nine.  No talent hack imo.

 
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I'm a Clapton fan but I will never not laugh at OH's review  :lmao:
:lol: I feel the same. I never really had any animosity towards Clapton. He was just "guitar god, Eric Clapton". After watching some interviews, I really thought he was a spineless, mealy-mouthed creep who hit on his best friend's wife, then confessed  and asked to stay best friends. That's low-end, simpy, slimeball material, to me.

But OH's write up is such a well-crafted diss, I've decided to hate him by proxy. I even like the guitar solo (much better when  Prince did it, though) but I'm going to tell everyone that it is pedestrian and boring from now on, even though I don't have the musical chops to justify it.

 
Before I hipple the thread with song reactions, I'm going to use this post to mention a few things that have nothing to do with them, because I feel like I can always share the most random stuff with you guys.

The dream origin mentioned in the Let It Be writeup reminded me that last night I had the weirdest dream I had in a while. I was walking outside with a group of people that included Frank Zappa. I asked Frank if I could have his autograph. He said he does not give autographs, but he would pick up a rock and give it to me, and if anyone asked me to prove that I had met him, I could run a fingerprint test on the rock.

Today we learned that our 14-year-old black cat has hyperthyroidism. She got a blood test when she went in for her annual shots last week because she had lost 2 pounds in the past year. Treatment is necessary because otherwise she will continue to lose weight to the point where it will endanger her organs. The vet said we have 2 options. One is radiation treatment, which will cost about $2000 plus whatever pre-testing needs to be done, and would require her to be at a facility for 3 days in Delaware, but would likely cure the problem (it's rare that it works "too well" and causes hypothyroidism in cats). The other is medication, either oral or topical, which would be for life, and would require her to have blood tests every 6 months, and can have side effects. We don't yet know what to do. My wife has been talking to a friend of hers who had a cat with hyperthyroidism, and she said she would have done the radiation if her cat had been a candidate for it; the medication caused problems for him, but he had other conditions by the time he was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, and ours does not -- this is the first major health issue she has ever had. 

 
Before I hipple the thread with song reactions, I'm going to use this post to mention a few things that have nothing to do with them, because I feel like I can always share the most random stuff with you guys.

The dream origin mentioned in the Let It Be writeup reminded me that last night I had the weirdest dream I had in a while. I was walking outside with a group of people that included Frank Zappa. I asked Frank if I could have his autograph. He said he does not give autographs, but he would pick up a rock and give it to me, and if anyone asked me to prove that I had met him, I could run a fingerprint test on the rock.

Today we learned that our 14-year-old black cat has hyperthyroidism. She got a blood test when she went in for her annual shots last week because she had lost 2 pounds in the past year. Treatment is necessary because otherwise she will continue to lose weight to the point where it will endanger her organs. The vet said we have 2 options. One is radiation treatment, which will cost about $2000 plus whatever pre-testing needs to be done, and would require her to be at a facility for 3 days in Delaware, but would likely cure the problem (it's rare that it works "too well" and causes hypothyroidism in cats). The other is medication, either oral or topical, which would be for life, and would require her to have blood tests every 6 months, and can have side effects. We don't yet know what to do. My wife has been talking to a friend of hers who had a cat with hyperthyroidism, and she said she would have done the radiation if her cat had been a candidate for it; the medication caused problems for him, but he had other conditions by the time he was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, and ours does not -- this is the first major health issue she has ever had. 
I’m sorry you’re dealing with this brother.

Id just like to point out the whole ####### band is cat people.

Paul McCartney had a sheepdog named Martha, which inspired the song Martha My Dear and a cat named Thisbe after A Midsummer Night's Dream. I think of him as more of a dog person but on the Scottish farm they had everything.

George Harrison had cats, one was named Corky the other Josstick.

John Lennon had several cats Tim, Mimi, Elvis, Salt, Pepper and Pyramus, the man loved cats. He also had a dog.

Ringo had a poodle at one point and then a dog named Buster. I’ve seen several photographs of him with his cats over the last 30 years. Def a cat guy.

 
While My Guitar Gently Weeps

Mr. krista:  "The weeping guitar is just the cheesiest effect. And I feel like bringing Clapton in gives this veneer of professionalism that makes it so boring.  Outside of Cream and the Yardbirds, he is just so ####### boring. They bring him in just to en-boring something.  I don’t know, this is rough-edged and exciting and seemed to express the artist. Let’s just spread wax over it all and look, I’m making the guitar weep.  Mememememe.  Listen, it’s like weeping.  ####### hack. I wish he’d fallen out the window."
 I do not feel I get offended easily. I am offended by this. This is horrible and I really did think better of you than this.

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Help! [Blackpool Night Out, ABC Theatre, Blackpool, United Kingdom]
2022 Ranking: 11
2022 Lists: 40
2022 Points: 511
Ranked Highest by: @Getzlaf15 (3) @whoknew (4) Doug (4) @AAABatteries (5) @Uruk-Hai (7) @falguy (7) @Ilov80s (7) @Murph (8) @Yankee23Fan (8) @fatguyinalittlecoat (8) @Westerberg (8) @Tom Hagen (9) @DocHolliday (9) @ekbeats (9) @John Maddens Lunchbox (10) @krista4 (10) @Just Win Baby (10)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 10/21/272

Getz: First song to receive votes from at least 50% of the voters. I had it at #4 in 2019, and moved it up to #3 for 2022. Love the Paul and George harmonies.

No first or second place votes, and only four Top 5 votes, but it did get 17 votes for slots #7-11. How odd!


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  15

2019 write-up:

Help! (Help!, 1965)

"Help!"  What an amazing blast start!  Even more amazing is that, while John literally screamed for help over and over in this song, it wasn't until later that any of his bandmates actually recognized it as a genuine cry for help, nor did John himself:  "When Help! came out, I was actually crying out for help. ... I didn't realize it at the time... The whole Beatle thing was just beyond comprehension.  I was eating and drinking like a pig, dissatisfied with myself, and subconsciously I was crying out for help.  So it was my fat Elvis period. ... And I am singing about when I was so much younger and all the rest, looking back at how easy it was.  Anyway, I was fat and depressed and I was crying out for help"  I guess the upbeat nature of the music disguised the genuine anguish of the lyrics in this, probably the first song of self-reflection that John wrote for the Beatles.  Later John mentioned to May Pang that, of all his songs, this was probably his favorite but also the one he also wished he could do over:  like "Please Please Me" the Beatles had sped up the tempo on this song to make it more commercially viable, and John would like to have re-recorded it as a slower, more soulful, emotive ballad.  I'd love to have heard that.

Though this is a "John song," my favorite aspect of the song was contributed by Paul, which are those glorious countermelodies, in my opinion the best in any Beatles song.  Having heard the song hundreds of times, I'm still fascinated every time by where they choose to go and the way in which they're delivered.  As mentioned in the first word of this write-up, I love that immediate panicked "Help!" to start the song, with John's vocal following in an increasingly desperate manner but balanced with those disarmingly cool, calm backing vocals.  Chord change nerdiness!  The initial minor chords combine with John's screams on the first few lines to give a feeling of urgency or even panic, while the harmonies then join to drive the chords back down into a major tone, giving the sense that the panic is being assuaged.  The backing vocals themselves offer beautiful harmonies in a backward call-and-response style, taking the lead as "call" as often as they do the "response"...sorta.  They weave in and out and at times feel like they're stabbing into the lead vocal, almost ridiculing him and taking the song in a seemingly frenetic direction, but with the sneering feel of the vocals lending a dark air at the same time.  The drum fills and descending arpeggios on the guitar add to the agitation of the first verses and choruses, until we're launched into a third verse that suddenly takes us down into a place of relative peace, with only John on acoustic guitar and soft bass notes from Paul.  The sense of peace is belied by John's increasingly intense vocal, though, and so it's no surprise when the instruments join again for a final chorus that vehemently increases the sense of panic and desperation, but lands on that odd chord change to emphasize the final word, "me."

Of course, you could also just listen to this song as if it were the title track for a James-Bond-style film.  It's great as that, too.  

No discussion of this song would be complete unless I linked the video for it, which I can never get enough of.  John and George know how to play to the camera, Paul is being greasily eager, and Ringo...ah, Ringo.  Just take one run-through watching nothing but Ringo when he's onscreen.   

Mr. krista:  "What a burner, what a great way to open a record.  Help?  12-string is so pretty.  It’s clear they’ve gotten better.  Is this when he started getting his Rickenbacker?  The drums sound particularly good too, especially the snare which had sounded weak and flabby.  Just a monster song.  Grabs your attention and is like over, done."

Suggested covers:  If you don't like this you can't be my friend:  Dolly Parton.  Also there's this:  Lil Wayne.  And also this:  The Damned.

2022 Supplement:  Another new entry this year into my Top 10, sliding into the last spot on the strength of the desperation in John’s vocal.  Really.  Everything else is phenomenal, but the energetic despair is what propels it.  It probably also “helped” that I watched that silly-but-pleasing movie “Yesterday” in the interim, and the treatment of this song was a highlight.

As we know, the band developed the song around the title of the movie, oddly enough, instead of the other way around.  The director, Richard Lester, wanted to use the name “Help” but was told that they couldn’t for copyright reasons.  After Ringo’s suggestions, “Eight Arms to Hold You,” briefly became the working title, someone came up with the ingenious but legally questionable idea that, by putting an exclamation point at the end, they could avoid the copyright issues.  Someone check with a real lawyer about this.

In any case, it seems that the title given to John ended up fitting his mental state, for better or worse.

Guido Merkins

Fortunately, days before John Lennon was shot, he had a lengthy interview with Playboy where he went through his entire catalog, including Beatles, and gave his memories on the songs.  As you may know, John’s memory wasn’t always the greatest and he gives different answers sometimes whether his mood fit or not.  However, the interview in 1980 was his last word and although there are a few things that don’t add up, it’s a great document on his mindset right before we lost him forever.

One of his strongest statements is something to the effect of “Help and Strawberry Fields Forever are his truest songs.”  Both of these songs were obviously very personal to John and he elaborated on these two more than most of the others.

He claimed that Help was written almost subconsciously about the fact that this was his “fat Elvis period.”  He felt overweight and lost and was crying out for help, hence the song.  “Now these days are gone and I’m not so self assured” and “my independence seems to vanish in the haze” and “every now and then I feel so insecure” are some of the key lines that indicate John’s mindset at that time.  I think we tend to think how awesome it would be to be famous and adored by the world, but if you know anything about the Beatles lifestyle at that time, it was almost “be careful what you wish for.”  Paul’s grandfather said it perfectly in A Hard Day’s Night “I’ve seen a train and a room, a car and a room, and a room and a room.”  John was definitely feeling the pressure with Beatlemania going on it’s 2nd year and showing no sign of slowing down.

I love the call and answer style of background vocals and the very cool descending guitar lines by George.  Like Strawberry Fields Forever,  John wanted Help to be recorded differently.  In the case of Help I think he wanted it slower to match his feelings when he wrote it, but in this case, I think John was wrong.  In Help, he sounds downright desperate, especially at the end with the “Help me, help me” lines.  This is captured perfectly in the film Yesterday when Jack Malik does kind of a punk rock version of Help and really goes Kurt Cobain on the “help me help me” line at the end.  I remember reading somewhere that John tried to rework Help for one of his solo albums, but gave up when he had issues translating it to the piano.  I can’t find references to it online, so either I dreamed it or I read it and it never happened.  Godsbrother might be able to help out with that one.
It didn't make my 36, but this song actually went up (Binky: down) in my eyes after watching Get Back (Binky: Lose Front). Because during times of confusion and chaos during the sessions, John would start singing it. Knowing that he was in the midst of his heroin addiction made every appearance of this song very poignant. Count me among those who would have liked to have hear him do this as a ballad. It would have been a touchstone for the emerging singer-songwriter movement as much as any Dylan song was. 

The official version is pretty great though, with the sudden start and the counter-vocal by Paul. 

 
Before I hipple the thread with song reactions, I'm going to use this post to mention a few things that have nothing to do with them, because I feel like I can always share the most random stuff with you guys.

The dream origin mentioned in the Let It Be writeup reminded me that last night I had the weirdest dream I had in a while. I was walking outside with a group of people that included Frank Zappa. I asked Frank if I could have his autograph. He said he does not give autographs, but he would pick up a rock and give it to me, and if anyone asked me to prove that I had met him, I could run a fingerprint test on the rock.

Today we learned that our 14-year-old black cat has hyperthyroidism. She got a blood test when she went in for her annual shots last week because she had lost 2 pounds in the past year. Treatment is necessary because otherwise she will continue to lose weight to the point where it will endanger her organs. The vet said we have 2 options. One is radiation treatment, which will cost about $2000 plus whatever pre-testing needs to be done, and would require her to be at a facility for 3 days in Delaware, but would likely cure the problem (it's rare that it works "too well" and causes hypothyroidism in cats). The other is medication, either oral or topical, which would be for life, and would require her to have blood tests every 6 months, and can have side effects. We don't yet know what to do. My wife has been talking to a friend of hers who had a cat with hyperthyroidism, and she said she would have done the radiation if her cat had been a candidate for it; the medication caused problems for him, but he had other conditions by the time he was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, and ours does not -- this is the first major health issue she has ever had. 
Sorry to hear about your cat. Both our cats (they are siblings, 13 y/o) also have hyperthyroidism. They have been taking medication for about three years and are otherwise happy and healthy.

 

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