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2022 FBG, 172 to 1 Beatles Countdown 1-25 lists... And 173 to 1 Countdown from 1-64 lists! (1 Viewer)

Pip's Invitation said:
YOU CUT HT AND E AFTER THAT WRITEUP YOU DID?  :jawdrop:

I might include in my 64 BECAUSE of your writeup.
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Getzlaf15 said:
There still might be a chance for it. :lmao:
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Well, apparently I submitted a list that was missing a #44.  I am channeling Binky or RA.  :lmao:   So now the question is do I just slot it in at #44 to be done with it, or move everything up and go back and renumber.  :laziness: 

I hope it makes your list, Pip.  I'd like to think my write-ups led to something.

 
krista4 said:
I hope it makes your list, Pip.  I'd like to think my write-ups led to something.
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In my first draft, it's just outside the 64. But I'm going through the thread to see what I said about each song as it was posted (or, in some cases, not posted and included in the "no votes" list on page 42), so things could change. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
In my first draft, it's just outside the 64. But I'm going through the thread to see what I said about each song as it was posted (or, in some cases, not posted and included in the "no votes" list on page 42), so things could change. 
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I put it in, at #54.  :bag:   Changes every day.  Now that I have submitted what I think is a complete list, I am in "no mulligan zone," which I'm grateful for.

I have one song on my list that received no votes in the prior countdown, as well as Hold Me Tight, which almost made it and I considered elevating a couple of spots just because I felt sorry for it.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
In my first draft, it's just outside the 64. But I'm going through the thread to see what I said about each song as it was posted (or, in some cases, not posted and included in the "no votes" list on page 42), so things could change. 
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I just caught that I had listed something* twice. So it's back on -- for now.

* - not "Something"

 
krista4 said:
I put it in, at #54.  :bag:   Changes every day.  Now that I have submitted what I think is a complete list, I am in "no mulligan zone," which I'm grateful for.

I have one song on my list that received no votes in the prior countdown, as well as Hold Me Tight, which almost made it and I considered elevating a couple of spots just because I felt sorry for it.
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My first draft has two no-vote songs. That may increase, or decrease. 

 
krista4 said:
As I said somewhere, but apparently not in my earlier write-up since I just read it and didn't see that...

Most likely to do it in the road (ranking might be updated from earlier):

John

Geoge

Ringo
 

Paul
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I went and gave this the laughing reaction emoji, which wasn't possible when this was first posted. 

 
Another benefit to the alternate-universe scenario we discussed in this thread with Beatles not breaking up but alternating band albums with solo albums:

Monkberry Moon Delight would have been a HELL of a Beatles song. It has the "it's coming unhinged but just barely keeps it together" quality of some of the best White Album songs. And it would have sounded MUCH better with John doing the second vocal instead of Linda. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Another benefit to the alternate-universe scenario we discussed in this thread with Beatles not breaking up but alternating band albums with solo albums:

Monkberry Moon Delight would have been a HELL of a Beatles song. It has the "it's coming unhinged but just barely keeps it together" quality of some of the best White Album songs. And it would have sounded MUCH better with John doing the second vocal instead of Linda. 
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Oh yeah!  Perfect for the white album.  I think Ringo would have had fun on it, too.  Let’s sub that for Why Don’t We Do It in the Road.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
My rank: 36

The musical version of a growl -- especially interesting because the lyrics are against violence. The distortion and the screaming are pushed to a level pretty much unheard of for a major-label release in 1968; John would channel these impulses from the political to the personal 2 years later. I still fist-pump to this today, though I do go through periods of being tired of it because it's so ubiquitous. 

Confession: I don't hate the performance of this at Live Aid by The Thompson Twins. 
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I forgot to note that I had a RINGO BINGO with Revolution. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
On 3/14/2022 at 8:34 PM, Pip's Invitation said:
My rank: 36

The musical version of a growl -- especially interesting because the lyrics are against violence. The distortion and the screaming are pushed to a level pretty much unheard of for a major-label release in 1968; John would channel these impulses from the political to the personal 2 years later. I still fist-pump to this today, though I do go through periods of being tired of it because it's so ubiquitous. 

Confession: I don't hate the performance of this at Live Aid by The Thompson Twins. 
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I forgot to note that I had a RINGO BINGO with Revolution. 
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I have one now with my submitted list, too!  :hifive:  

 
Second draft completed after reviewing what I wrote in this thread previously. I'll sleep on it and review it again tomorrow, then submit. HT and E is still there. 96 songs were considered, so I'm almost at a top 100 if we decide to do that next. 🤣

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Second draft completed after reviewing what I wrote in this thread previously. I'll sleep on it and review it again tomorrow, then submit. HT and E is still there. 96 songs were considered, so I'm almost at a top 100 if we decide to do that next. 🤣
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krista4 said:
IN!
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100 wouldn't yield results much different than 64 does.  

I hope we get 30 here.  That will lead to that "smoothing" effect.  

 
I won't be submitting a Top 64. I can't put myself through another ranking stress-out this soon. Plus, the likelihood of a Duke/UNC matchup in the Final Four has me too depressed.

I'd have kept "Penny Lane" at #11, though.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
I won't be submitting a Top 64. I can't put myself through another ranking stress-out this soon. Plus, the likelihood of a Duke/UNC matchup in the Final Four has me too depressed.

I'd have kept "Penny Lane" at #11, though.
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You have two weeks to get over your depression and change your mind.  You have it nearly halfway done already!  We need you on that wall.

 
List of 64 sent. 

Album breakdown:

Singles: 13**
White Album: 10
Revolver: 7
Abbey Road: 5
Let It Be: 5
Rubber Soul: 5
Help!: 4
Magical Mystery Tour: 4*
Please Please Me: 3
Sgt. Pepper: 3
Yellow Submarine: 2
A Hard Day's Night: 1
Beatles for Sale: 1
With the Beatles: 1

* - This includes anything that appears on the US LP, which IMO is canon because that's how those songs were released on CD.

** - This includes anything that appears on Past Masters Vol. One or Two.

Lead vocals:

John: 28
Paul: 17
George: 9
John/Paul: 8
Ringo: 2

 
Debate time....  

Item #1:
Which should be rated higher?
3 votes for 97 points. (ranked 12, 40 and 46 so far)
or
6 votes for 94 points. (ranked 28, 38, 48, 53, 63, 64 so far)

Should one person that ranked the 97 point song really high have that much influence when more liked the other song?

That leads into
Item #2:
Should the #1 song (64pts) be worth 64x the number 64 song (1pt)?

Or does 12.8x the #64 make more sense?
Or does 16x the #64 make more sense?
Or does 21.3x the #64 make more sense
Or does 32x the #64 make more sense?

The above four examples could be achieved by adding either 5, 4, 3, or 2 points for each VOTE a song gets.

If 5 points, Item #1 above would be 3 votes for 112 points, and 6 votes for 124 points.

Krista and I discussed this very, very briefly while I was collecting the 1-25 votes. She made a good argument that songs 20-40 are very hard to rank and the songs after #25 should not be devalued that much. That made sense to me and the conversation quickly ended. (I was just talking five points per vote at the time and my argument was #1 should not have been worth 25x #25)

But does it make more sense when the list is 1-64? I'm not seeing/sensing that #20-#40 crunch seen on the 1-25 lists on the 1-64 lists. 

In the end, this really only affects the songs ranked 90 to 185 in any material way.

Should a song that gets one vote for 60 points be ranked higher than one that gets four votes for 55 points?

 
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Getzlaf15 said:
Debate time....  

Item #1:
Which should be rated higher?
3 votes for 97 points. (ranked 12, 40 and 46 so far)
or
6 votes for 94 points. (ranked 28, 38, 48, 53, 63, 64 so far)

Should one person that ranked the 97 point song really high have that much influence when more liked the other song?

That leads into
Item #2:
Should the #1 song (64pts) be worth 64x the number 64 song (1pt)?

Or does 12.8x the #64 make more sense?
Or does 16x the #64 make more sense?
Or does 21.3x the #64 make more sense
Or does 32x the #64 make more sense?

The above four examples could be achieved by adding either 5, 4, 3, or 2 points for each VOTE a song gets.

If 5 points, Item #1 above would be 3 votes for 112 points, and 6 votes for 124 points.

Krista and I discussed this very, very briefly while I was collecting the 1-25 votes. She made a good argument that songs 20-40 are very hard to rank and the songs after #25 should not be devalued that much. That made sense to me and the conversation quickly ended. (I was just talking five points per vote at the time and my argument was #1 should not have been worth 25x #25)

But does it make more sense when the list is 1-64? I'm not seeing/sensing that #20-#40 crunch seen on the 1-25 lists on the 1-64 lists. 

In the end, this really only affects the songs ranked 90 to 185 in any material way.

Should a song that gets one vote for 60 points be ranked higher than one that gets four votes for 55 points?
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:lmao:

I have so many questions ...

 
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Getzlaf15 said:
Debate time....  

Item #1:
Which should be rated higher?
3 votes for 97 points. (ranked 12, 40 and 46 so far)
or
6 votes for 94 points. (ranked 28, 38, 48, 53, 63, 64 so far)

Should one person that ranked the 97 point song really high have that much influence when more liked the other song?

That leads into
Item #2:
Should the #1 song (64pts) be worth 64x the number 64 song (1pt)?

Or does 12.8x the #64 make more sense?
Or does 16x the #64 make more sense?
Or does 21.3x the #64 make more sense
Or does 32x the #64 make more sense?

The above four examples could be achieved by adding either 5, 4, 3, or 2 points for each VOTE a song gets.

If 5 points, Item #1 above would be 3 votes for 112 points, and 6 votes for 124 points.

Krista and I discussed this very, very briefly while I was collecting the 1-25 votes. She made a good argument that songs 20-40 are very hard to rank and the songs after #25 should not be devalued that much. That made sense to me and the conversation quickly ended. (I was just talking five points per vote at the time and my argument was #1 should not have been worth 25x #25)

But does it make more sense when the list is 1-64? I'm not seeing/sensing that #20-#40 crunch seen on the 1-25 lists on the 1-64 lists. 

In the end, this really only affects the songs ranked 90 to 185 in any material way.

Should a song that gets one vote for 60 points be ranked higher than one that gets four votes for 55 points?
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I was told there would be no math!

 
I'd like to see how the scoring shakes out done in the "traditional" fashion (i.e., without bonus points for number of lists), but if you'd like the official ranking to do something different, that seems fine.  If you want to do that but don't want to do two sets of rankings, send me the raw data and I'm happy to compile the traditional one.

 
krista4 said:
I'd like to see how the scoring shakes out done in the "traditional" fashion (i.e., without bonus points for number of lists), but if you'd like the official ranking to do something different, that seems fine.  If you want to do that but don't want to do two sets of rankings, send me the raw data and I'm happy to compile the traditional one.
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I'll keep at traditional... It's already set to do that.

and then when finished, I'll add 5 points per vote.  I just have to add votes*5 to the current equation and then we can compare the two.  Pretty easy

 
krista4 said:
I'd like to see how the scoring shakes out done in the "traditional" fashion (i.e., without bonus points for number of lists), but if you'd like the official ranking to do something different, that seems fine.  If you want to do that but don't want to do two sets of rankings, send me the raw data and I'm happy to compile the traditional one.
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same - play it straight and then see how much of a difference the various scoring methods make

as @Getzlaf15 said - it will likely not have much of an impact on the top 64  - but still wanna see

 
I plan on submitting mine this week. I haven't started yet, but I don't think it will take a long time since we just went down memory lane with a lot of their songs. I'll use the front page as a guide.

 
simey said:
I plan on submitting mine this week. I haven't started yet, but I don't think it will take a long time since we just went down memory lane with a lot of their songs. I'll use the front page as a guide.
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As I was counting them down, I was marking each song whether I wanted to consider it for my Top 64 or not.

Went to OP and listened to every song again while reading Guido's comments, and gave each song a score with 50 being highest. Kept re-sorting them after listening to a batch of 5-6 songs, so I could compare and slot the next few.  Didn't take that long.

I didn't even have to sleep on it because I'm a risk taker.

 

 
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So I took the results we just completed and added 5 points for each vote.  Didn't change a whole lot. Didn't make it better or worse. A few songs at the bottom moved up 5 spots. 

 
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