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2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (3 Viewers)

Gannon needs to be aggressive, like, at all, would be nice.
Aj Brown and CeeDee Lamb are NOT the same (in case you have a Cowboys fan that definitely showed you 2 years of AJ Brown stats in a run centric offense juxtaposed against CeeDee's the past 2 years)
The Team looks energized!
 
I'm not sure what happened to our defense. Did we just get figured out?

First drive was bad of course, but mainly from Swift's one big run.

Defense DID pitch a shutout for TWENTY straight minutes in the first half. That's 1/3rd of the game, with zero points allowed. And then it all just crashed down.

Wonder how many passing yards Goff had in the first half... I can't imagine it was many. Just a total 4th quarter meltdown.
 
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Deamon said:
I'm not sure what happened to our defense. Did we just get figured out?

First drive was bad of course, but mainly from Swift's one big run.

Defense DID pitch a shutout for TWENTY straight minutes in the first half. That's 1/3rd of the game, with zero points allowed. And then it all just crashed down.

Wonder how many passing yards Goff had in the first half... I can't imagine it was many. Just a total 4th quarter meltdown.
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Do you think the soft Training Camp had anything to do with it? The Defense, especially the front 4, looked gassed in the 2nd half. Maybe just not in football shape? I agree, they looked pretty good the 1st half, minus the initial drive.

I'm trying not to overreact to week 1, but Gannon is not impressing me, at all. The Eagles have too much talent to let a young, scrappy team with Jared f'ing Goff at QB stay in a game like this and score 35.
 
The biggest issue with Gannon's defense is that it doesn't represent the city. We want to get after the offense and dictate what the offense runs, not read and react all day long.
 
The Noid said:
Deamon said:
Sucks for Dak, super unfortunate. We are likely the favourites in the division now.
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Out 6-8 weeks, we play DAL at home on SNF in 5 weeks. Turns that from a “Eagles can prove they are for real” game to a “chance to pile up another early season win” game.
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DAK didn't do anything prior to getting hurt and Zeke looks cooked. I wouldn't be worried about DAL with or without DAK. Just mad that cow turd fans now have an excuse already for why they didn't win the division if we do this year.

Also karma is a you know what. All these DAL "fans" celebrating every year Wentz got hurt. In the last 3 yrs Prescott has missed almost 1 1/2 seasons and paying him along with Zeke big money.

And where's the NATIONAL MEDIA ATTENTION on the Cow Turd fans throwing trash at DAK on his way to the locker room. Would be the leading story entering today if that was Philly everywhere
 
ProstheticRGK said:
Deamon said:
I'm not sure what happened to our defense. Did we just get figured out?

First drive was bad of course, but mainly from Swift's one big run.

Defense DID pitch a shutout for TWENTY straight minutes in the first half. That's 1/3rd of the game, with zero points allowed. And then it all just crashed down.

Wonder how many passing yards Goff had in the first half... I can't imagine it was many. Just a total 4th quarter meltdown.
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Do you think the soft Training Camp had anything to do with it? The Defense, especially the front 4, looked gassed in the 2nd half. Maybe just not in football shape? I agree, they looked pretty good the 1st half, minus the initial drive.

I'm trying not to overreact to week 1, but Gannon is not impressing me, at all. The Eagles have too much talent to let a young, scrappy team with Jared f'ing Goff at QB stay in a game like this and score 35.
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Yes see this in College every year. People are like on good 3 preseason games and starters aren't playing!!!!!! Risk less injury in Preseason but Practice reps aren't the same as in game reps. I hate Pete Carrol but SEA back when Training camp and practices were less rules wise the contact days SEA was practicing tackling and how to properly strip the football those entire practices. Thats why they were the best tackling team for yrs.

I liked Gannon's adjustments after that 1st drive. Problem is he didn't stay aggressive the whole game.
 
Eagles with Jordan Davis off the field allowed almost a 1 st down per carry.

Eagles With Jordan Davis on the Field 2 or less yards yesterday.
 
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In other national media News the SEA crowd is viciously booing Russel Wilson. McNabb didn't even get it that bad here. Russ is one of the few reasons your team was relevant for the past decade folks. Most of those fans don't know anything prior to Marshawn Lynch
 
Thoughts from yesterday:
  • Hurts needs to improve on blitz identification and calling hot routes
  • Refs need to start calling all the hits Hurts takes at the end of scrambles when he is clearly sliding/giving himself up, and not just when he gets a helmet targeting his head like the one they finally called, multiple other times they were putting not as bad but still illegal/unnecessary hits on him
  • Gannon’s idea of being a defensive coordinator seems to be to just expect his front four to be good enough to generate pressure one-on-one. Never schemes or disguises anything to HELP that happen; in the run game, again, he assumes the players will do everything, had success with the 5 man fronts for a bit but never stuck with it
  • After’s Brown’s 50+ yard catch in the last minute of the half, why didn’t Sirianni call a timeout?? Got to the 5, so first and goal, 2 TO’s. Call 1 to let your guys get downfield and catch their breath before taking shots at the EZ. Even if you run once, call the last TO then throws into the EZ do you can still kick a FG.
 
The Noid said:
Thoughts from yesterday:
  • Hurts needs to improve on blitz identification and calling hot routes
  • Refs need to start calling all the hits Hurts takes at the end of scrambles when he is clearly sliding/giving himself up, and not just when he gets a helmet targeting his head like the one they finally called, multiple other times they were putting not as bad but still illegal/unnecessary hits on him
  • Gannon’s idea of being a defensive coordinator seems to be to just expect his front four to be good enough to generate pressure one-on-one. Never schemes or disguises anything to HELP that happen; in the run game, again, he assumes the players will do everything, had success with the 5 man fronts for a bit but never stuck with it
  • After’s Brown’s 50+ yard catch in the last minute of the half, why didn’t Sirianni call a timeout?? Got to the 5, so first and goal, 2 TO’s. Call 1 to let your guys get downfield and catch their breath before taking shots at the EZ. Even if you run once, call the last TO then throws into the EZ do you can still kick a FG.
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I would have just liked the post, because it’s spot on. I gave you love for the new thread title. 😂
 
The Noid said:
Thoughts from yesterday:
  • Hurts needs to improve on blitz identification and calling hot routes
  • Refs need to start calling all the hits Hurts takes at the end of scrambles when he is clearly sliding/giving himself up, and not just when he gets a helmet targeting his head like the one they finally called, multiple other times they were putting not as bad but still illegal/unnecessary hits on him
  • Gannon’s idea of being a defensive coordinator seems to be to just expect his front four to be good enough to generate pressure one-on-one. Never schemes or disguises anything to HELP that happen; in the run game, again, he assumes the players will do everything, had success with the 5 man fronts for a bit but never stuck with it
  • After’s Brown’s 50+ yard catch in the last minute of the half, why didn’t Sirianni call a timeout?? Got to the 5, so first and goal, 2 TO’s. Call 1 to let your guys get downfield and catch their breath before taking shots at the EZ. Even if you run once, call the last TO then throws into the EZ do you can still kick a FG.
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I was screaming at my tv during this. Made absolutely no sense.
 
I judged Hurts too harshly watching this game live. He had a good game- and a really good mental game. He still needs to work on a lot, and he probably does have a lower ceiling than we want from a true franchise QB, but he was really solid yesterday.

Sunday, I felt like he ran too much. I watched the all-22, and I am no analyst, but there were only 2 plays I saw where he took off and ran when there were legit options open. Out of 17 runs, 3 were kneel downs, 1 was a QB sneak and 5-6 were either designed runs or QB options. 5 were plays where the pressure was there immediately and he had no one open. And he was smart with the football- aside from getting away with intentional grounding on a play.

He really played a much more solid game than I thought, and showed a lot of growth. Sorry, @DJackson10
 
ProstheticRGK said:
I judged Hurts too harshly watching this game live. He had a good game- and a really good mental game. He still needs to work on a lot, and he probably does have a lower ceiling than we want from a true franchise QB, but he was really solid yesterday.

Sunday, I felt like he ran too much. I watched the all-22, and I am no analyst, but there were only 2 plays I saw where he took off and ran when there were legit options open. Out of 17 runs, 3 were kneel downs, 1 was a QB sneak and 5-6 were either designed runs or QB options. 5 were plays where the pressure was there immediately and he had no one open. And he was smart with the football- aside from getting away with intentional grounding on a play.

He really played a much more solid game than I thought, and showed a lot of growth. Sorry, @DJackson10
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Agree with this take. A few times a rusher just came free unblocked *immediately* and he still was able to gain 5, 6 7 yards. I think this offense is going to be explosive all year long. Really want to see Devonta more involved, but we got a lot more football left!
 
ProstheticRGK said:
I judged Hurts too harshly watching this game live. He had a good game- and a really good mental game. He still needs to work on a lot, and he probably does have a lower ceiling than we want from a true franchise QB, but he was really solid yesterday.

Sunday, I felt like he ran too much. I watched the all-22, and I am no analyst, but there were only 2 plays I saw where he took off and ran when there were legit options open. Out of 17 runs, 3 were kneel downs, 1 was a QB sneak and 5-6 were either designed runs or QB options. 5 were plays where the pressure was there immediately and he had no one open. And he was smart with the football- aside from getting away with intentional grounding on a play.

He really played a much more solid game than I thought, and showed a lot of growth. Sorry, @DJackson10
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Brian Baldinger gave Hurts high praise after watching the All-22 tape. Basically credited him with saving the game for them.
 
Amused to Death said:
ProstheticRGK said:
I judged Hurts too harshly watching this game live. He had a good game- and a really good mental game. He still needs to work on a lot, and he probably does have a lower ceiling than we want from a true franchise QB, but he was really solid yesterday.

Sunday, I felt like he ran too much. I watched the all-22, and I am no analyst, but there were only 2 plays I saw where he took off and ran when there were legit options open. Out of 17 runs, 3 were kneel downs, 1 was a QB sneak and 5-6 were either designed runs or QB options. 5 were plays where the pressure was there immediately and he had no one open. And he was smart with the football- aside from getting away with intentional grounding on a play.

He really played a much more solid game than I thought, and showed a lot of growth. Sorry, @DJackson10
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Brian Baldinger gave Hurts high praise after watching the All-22 tape. Basically credited him with saving the game for them.
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Where did you find Baldy's breakdown? I looked on youtube this morning, but there was nothing. I love watching him break down film.
 
The Noid said:
Thoughts from yesterday:
  • Hurts needs to improve on blitz identification and calling hot routes
  • Refs need to start calling all the hits Hurts takes at the end of scrambles when he is clearly sliding/giving himself up, and not just when he gets a helmet targeting his head like the one they finally called, multiple other times they were putting not as bad but still illegal/unnecessary hits on him
  • Gannon’s idea of being a defensive coordinator seems to be to just expect his front four to be good enough to generate pressure one-on-one. Never schemes or disguises anything to HELP that happen; in the run game, again, he assumes the players will do everything, had success with the 5 man fronts for a bit but never stuck with it
  • After’s Brown’s 50+ yard catch in the last minute of the half, why didn’t Sirianni call a timeout?? Got to the 5, so first and goal, 2 TO’s. Call 1 to let your guys get downfield and catch their breath before taking shots at the EZ. Even if you run once, call the last TO then throws into the EZ do you can still kick a FG.
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i kind of think the blitz pick-ups fall on the OL as well. i just watched the Baldy breakdown and it seems to capture it well. i also think Jalen really should get more credit for his low number of turnovers. we will see how the season goes, but i think i like the game like Sunday with 1 maybe 2 TD passes, vs the 3-4 TD games with 2-3 turnovers
 
ProstheticRGK said:
I judged Hurts too harshly watching this game live. He had a good game- and a really good mental game. He still needs to work on a lot, and he probably does have a lower ceiling than we want from a true franchise QB, but he was really solid yesterday.
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Agree, but still plenty of concerns about his passing decisions and passing ability:
  • 25 of his 29 pass attempts (not counting throw aways) traveled less than 10 yards
  • 4 of those went 0 yards because they were batted down; he had 17 batted down all of last year
  • 3 passes were thrown 10-19 yards and 1 went 20+ (to AJ Brown)
Some of that was obviously bad pass protection, but still needs to find sweet spot between taking those quick dump offs (or tucking and running) and using his legs to buy time for receivers to get open for big plays or, at least, shots down the field.
 
The Noid said:
modogg said:
i kind of think the blitz pick-ups fall on the OL as well.
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True, and you’ll be happy to know Steichen, in his press conference today, said they did ok with blitz pickup :loco:

Not to be outdone in the category of gaslighting, Gannon said the DL alignment and spacing was fine and he was happy with the pressure they got :rolleyes:
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yeah, i still can't figure out why Gannon gets interviews for Head Coach. sure he seems friendly with the media, etc., but i still am not sure what value he brings
 
The Noid said:
ProstheticRGK said:
I judged Hurts too harshly watching this game live. He had a good game- and a really good mental game. He still needs to work on a lot, and he probably does have a lower ceiling than we want from a true franchise QB, but he was really solid yesterday.
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Agree, but still plenty of concerns about his passing decisions and passing ability:
  • 25 of his 29 pass attempts (not counting throw aways) traveled less than 10 yards
  • 4 of those went 0 yards because they were batted down; he had 17 batted down all of last year
  • 3 passes were thrown 10-19 yards and 1 went 20+ (to AJ Brown)
Some of that was obviously bad pass protection, but still needs to find sweet spot between taking those quick dump offs (or tucking and running) and using his legs to buy time for receivers to get open for big plays or, at least, shots down the field.
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i think we will know more after Monday. they were up 17 for quite a bit on Sunday, they won't be able to be conservative with the ball in this game
 
ProstheticRGK said:
I judged Hurts too harshly watching this game live. He had a good game- and a really good mental game. He still needs to work on a lot, and he probably does have a lower ceiling than we want from a true franchise QB, but he was really solid yesterday.

Sunday, I felt like he ran too much. I watched the all-22, and I am no analyst, but there were only 2 plays I saw where he took off and ran when there were legit options open. Out of 17 runs, 3 were kneel downs, 1 was a QB sneak and 5-6 were either designed runs or QB options. 5 were plays where the pressure was there immediately and he had no one open. And he was smart with the football- aside from getting away with intentional grounding on a play.

He really played a much more solid game than I thought, and showed a lot of growth. Sorry, @DJackson10
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I just want to point out something and this isn't a knock on you or others. There's what fans consider open and then theres what NFL Coaches and league people see as open. Give this tape to the evaluators and they will probably find 2-3 plays at least he had guys "NFL Open" that he should've thrown too instead of the decision he made. Again this isn't a knock on you just putting out there a misconception people have. My Cousin coaches at Saint Joe's Prep and anytime I have the privilege of reviewing film with him there's plenty of times I don't consider something open but he tells me differently. I've watched a few games where the color guy is a former ex NFL player saying things like "This play right here fans might call me crazy saying this guy is open but in the NFL thats a throw he'll have to make and is considered open that many NFL QBs consistently make." Will Levis during the UK/UF game had one of these throws where Greg McElroy said something along the lines of "That was a great throw and one he'll make on Sundays. I know some fans might not like that throw but NFL coaches consider that an open receiver and if he missed that in the read he'd have been chewed out on it when he got back to the bench by his coaches."

Just figured I mentioned that since its a misconception fans have and some analyst as well.
 
DJackson10 said:
ProstheticRGK said:
I judged Hurts too harshly watching this game live. He had a good game- and a really good mental game. He still needs to work on a lot, and he probably does have a lower ceiling than we want from a true franchise QB, but he was really solid yesterday.

Sunday, I felt like he ran too much. I watched the all-22, and I am no analyst, but there were only 2 plays I saw where he took off and ran when there were legit options open. Out of 17 runs, 3 were kneel downs, 1 was a QB sneak and 5-6 were either designed runs or QB options. 5 were plays where the pressure was there immediately and he had no one open. And he was smart with the football- aside from getting away with intentional grounding on a play.

He really played a much more solid game than I thought, and showed a lot of growth. Sorry, @DJackson10
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I just want to point out something and this isn't a knock on you or others. There's what fans consider open and then theres what NFL Coaches and league people see as open. Give this tape to the evaluators and they will probably find 2-3 plays at least he had guys "NFL Open" that he should've thrown too instead of the decision he made. Again this isn't a knock on you just putting out there a misconception people have. My Cousin coaches at Saint Joe's Prep and anytime I have the privilege of reviewing film with him there's plenty of times I don't consider something open but he tells me differently. I've watched a few games where the color guy is a former ex NFL player saying things like "This play right here fans might call me crazy saying this guy is open but in the NFL thats a throw he'll have to make and is considered open that many NFL QBs consistently make." Will Levis during the UK/UF game had one of these throws where Greg McElroy said something along the lines of "That was a great throw and one he'll make on Sundays. I know some fans might not like that throw but NFL coaches consider that an open receiver and if he missed that in the read he'd have been chewed out on it when he got back to the bench by his coaches."

Just figured I mentioned that since its a misconception fans have and some analyst as well.
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Yeah, I don't take that as a knock, at all. That's why I said I am no analyst. I know enough to know that I don't even know what I don't know. I'd pay a decent amount to have access to coaches' tape with a breakdown from someone who does have that expertise.

I'd especially like a breakdown of the Defensive performance from yesterday. I had a hard time figuring out what was Gannon's scheme failure versus what was poor execution and poor conditioning. From what I saw, I was more impressed with the Offense, especially Hurts, than watching live. But the Defense, specifically the front 4, looked even worse.
 
DJackson10 said:
Give this tape to the evaluators and they will probably find 2-3 plays at least he had guys "NFL Open" that he should've thrown too instead of the decision he made.
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I'm sure there were at least 2 or 3. But how many QBs in week 1 didn't have 2 or 3 plays they missed? How many other QBs would have taken sacks for big loses or thrown an INT on 3rd long instead of picking up the first down with their legs?

Did we see how bad Russell Wilson looked Monday night? A lot of fans wanted him here.
 
With how the QB position has been changing over the years. I feel like it's the death of the dropback QB.
Even in 4A high school football in my area, almost all teams are running spread from the gun. Whereas just a few years ago many programs were running a version of the Wing-T.
It's a small sample size but if you can't run you don't play QB anymore.

Hurts IMO is a modern-day QB.
 
jon007 said:
With how the QB position has been changing over the years. I feel like it's the death of the dropback QB.
Even in 4A high school football in my area, almost all teams are running spread from the gun. Whereas just a few years ago many programs were running a version of the Wing-T.
It's a small sample size but if you can't run you don't play QB anymore.

Hurts IMO is a modern-day QB.
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A lot (most?) of the young QBs coming into the league can run. Trevor Lawrence was supposed to be the next big thing, but he can't run and has a sub 60% completion percentage with 5 more INTs than TDs.
 
Amused to Death said:
jon007 said:
With how the QB position has been changing over the years. I feel like it's the death of the dropback QB.
Even in 4A high school football in my area, almost all teams are running spread from the gun. Whereas just a few years ago many programs were running a version of the Wing-T.
It's a small sample size but if you can't run you don't play QB anymore.

Hurts IMO is a modern-day QB.
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A lot (most?) of the young QBs coming into the league can run. Trevor Lawrence was supposed to be the next big thing, but he can't run and has a sub 60% completion percentage with 5 more INTs than TDs.
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Lawrence is so overrated. for years we hear how hes this generational talent. looks average to below average in the league so far to me. would much rather have Jalen.
 
need2know said:
Lawrence is so overrated. for years we hear how hes this generational talent. looks average to below average in the league so far to me. would much rather have Jalen.
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Agreed, and he was a #1 overall pick. This idea that if Hurts doesn't improve enough they can just draft our QB of the future next year isn't guaranteed. We could end up with something far worse than Jalen Hurts and set the team back years.
 
Been travelling for work this week so haven’t had time to rewatch the game yet, but here are some thoughts from first viewing

Offense:
PositIves are there were no turnovers, or even risky throws. I thought Hurts did well taking free yards against m/m coverage, which the Lions played more of than I expected. Ball distribution was better, in terms of field area, than last year and I think he did well with some tight window throws like the slant to Brown in particular. On time and not wide open, that was a nice throw. There was a nice throw on a skinny post in there as well. The deep shot to Brown was perfect, he throws those really well vs. m/m coverage.

There were times Hurts should have thrown rather than run, he’s getting better here based on this game, but he still needs to get better at bringing his eyes back up when he’s made someone miss. Seems to convert to “run mode“ and stop looking downfield at a lot in that situation.

Blitz pickup was surprisingly poor today, way too many free rushers. Lions brought more numbers than we had in protection and the play didn’t seem to have quick answers built in so Hurts only choice was to scramble. Seems like a game plan / play call issue, as much as on field execution.

Overall I think Hurts played a lot better than the numbers, the completion % in particular, look based on the box score. He put the team on his back a bit in this game and his mobility solved some big issues in blitz pickup.

Run game was still really good, very nice game from Miles Sanders.

The D was pretty brutal. Against the run, they consistently put themselves in light box situations which left DBs being forced to come up and make high degree of difficulty tackles to shut down plays. The tackling was poor, but the play calling meant that things were harder than they should have been.

There were multiple situations where the Eagles had a 7 man front vs 12 personnel and tight split WRs, with our 4 DBs 10+ yards off the LOS. You’re just asking to get crushed on the ground and with a team that prefers to run and has a below average QB, it’s hard to understand.

Saw Cox getting single blocked consistently, but he did a good job a couple of times pushing the pocket. Sweat had some nice rushes, but overall the ball came out really quickly.

Marcus Epps had a really nice game I thought, with some solid tackles coming up, including a couple on the goal line. Overall I thought DBs were good in coverage, there were some PBUs, the pick 6.

Tackling was pretty poor in general, with Epps probably the only one I noticed being consistently good.

Overall a bit of a deflating performance because we see a continuation of the issues we had last year. Passive coverage, limited pressure and weak against the run.

I feel like the approach to coverage and pressure just are not aligned very well. If you’re going to play super conservative coverage, you can afford to take some chances and be a bit creative with how you generate pressure and try and generate some turnovers and sacks but Gannon just seems to be overly conservative in every area. Giving up 35 points to a bottom quartile offense with a middling to poor QB is definitely not encouraging.

I don’t think I’ve ever felt less pumped about a Week 1 win. Hopefully the D makes some strides next week, they’ll need to.
 
Amused to Death said:
DJackson10 said:
Give this tape to the evaluators and they will probably find 2-3 plays at least he had guys "NFL Open" that he should've thrown too instead of the decision he made.
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I'm sure there were at least 2 or 3. But how many QBs in week 1 didn't have 2 or 3 plays they missed? How many other QBs would have taken sacks for big loses or thrown an INT on 3rd long instead of picking up the first down with their legs?

Did we see how bad Russell Wilson looked Monday night? A lot of fans wanted him here.
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I've thought Wilson was overrated for yrs and a product of the system in Seattle. I wanted no part of him here for a lot of reasons from age, price to trade for plus contract. I also thought he was a system QB.

Your missing the point I was making. A lot of fans will say he only missed this or that guy that was open. However the definition of What NFL people and players deem open is pretty different to what fans actually think is open. My 2-3 plays was purely example. My point on the missed plays is it seems Hurts doesn't even trust his arm enough to make those plays or at least attempt them and that's concerning
 
jon007 said:
With how the QB position has been changing over the years. I feel like it's the death of the dropback QB.
Even in 4A high school football in my area, almost all teams are running spread from the gun. Whereas just a few years ago many programs were running a version of the Wing-T.
It's a small sample size but if you can't run you don't play QB anymore.

Hurts IMO is a modern-day QB.
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Rodgers and Mahomes are Modern day QBs along with Allen/Herbert. I have Hurts in the same category as Lamar Jackson's and Taysom Hills of the world. Ton of athletic ability and decent arms but can't read a defense worth a lick.

A lot of the HS football is changing do to times. They are realizing in order for some of these athletes to have a chance they need to modernize the offenses. Many teams don't play to the strengths of their best athletes including the QB. I think Andy Reid when Vick was here was the most progressive of coaches back then when it came to adapting to his QB along with Bill Billichik. The Eagles ran a variation of a spread offense incorporated into the West Coast Offensive system. The Athletic a few yrs ago when talking Eagles and Wentz and the offense did a very nice story how Andy was trying to make that offense from KC into Philly but never had the right personal either skill positions or QB.

However the biggest problem for Andy with Vick is he couldn't Read dog **** the offensive terminology nor read the defense. A Young Center by the Name of Jason Kelce was making the line and protection calls Vick should've been making. I've stated for awhile some of these guys just never learned to adapt in terms of reading defenses, mechanics etc. Their best years in the NFL are right when they get to the league because once teams figure them out they are cooked. It's why Lamar was in a perfect situation. Very good team already Stout Defense good Run Game and decent Skill players. Malik Davis has that in Tenn now. Time to win for these QBs is when they enter the league now 3-5 yrs from now so rebuilding teams aren't teams who should take them. Its why a lot of these guys become "draft busts". Not drafted in the right situations and dealing with egotistical GM's and coaches who think they can change them or make it work.

People might say it's not fair which I agree but unfortunately that's how it is for those types of guys. Being a part of rebuilding programs is a waste of their talent
 
Ash said:
I don’t think I’ve ever felt less pumped about a Week 1 win. Hopefully the D makes some strides next week, they’ll need to.
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You're not wrong. I feel less confident we are winning double digit games now based on that performance overall. We didn't beat anyone remotely competitive last year either. Week 1 win felt like a loss. It felt like one of those soccer matches where you get a draw but you feel your club lost more so then they should've had the win and 3 pts if that Makes sense.
 
DJackson10 said:
Your missing the point I was making. A lot of fans will say he only missed this or that guy that was open. However the definition of What NFL people and players deem open is pretty different to what fans actually think is open. My 2-3 plays was purely example. My point on the missed plays is it seems Hurts doesn't even trust his arm enough to make those plays or at least attempt them and that's concerning
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I don't think he's a finished product yet 20 games into his career. But I've heard many pundits praise his decision making (much quicker) and how he basically saved the game for the Eagles, including Baldy.

He has 16 more games to go. As an Eagles fan, I really hope they don't have to draft a QB high next season and pin our hopes on another dart throw. It very well would set us back 2 to 3 years. Go back and look at the top 5 QBs from the 2021 draft - how many of them would you want today over Hurts?
So for the team and as a fan, I want him to succeed. There are signs of improvement.
 
Let's talk about our first draft pick Jordan Davis. Watching these snaps, he's a big body and held his own pretty well in his first NFL game. Nothing jumps out, I don't see a burst off of the initial contact on any of these, but then I don't see any where he gives up on a play. ESPN's take:
The No. 13 overall pick out of Georgia played 22 defensive snaps (32%) against the Lions and made the most of his opportunities -- recording a pair of tackles, including a stuff. The Eagles were gashed on the ground to the tune of 181 yards on 28 carries (6.5 average) but did not appear as vulnerable when Davis was on the field controlling blockers and reshaping the line of scrimmage. He earned more playing time going forward, starting Monday night against the Vikings. -- Tim McManus
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this guys seems to break down the game tapes and All-22s well for teh Eagles. he had a good one on Jalen Hurts the other day, and did one about what happened with the Eagles run defense.

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As Jalen Hurts looked better after looking closer at the plays, i think Fletcher Cox looks even worse with looking deeper in the plays. i guess the guy just got old quick.
Gannon really had some big mistakes too with recognizing the right personnel to have in, etc.
Scary thing is, the Lions should have actually had more rushing yards o_O
 
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