2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (4 Viewers)

[renesauz]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

JFC...have you actually READ ALL of his posts re. Hurts? Funny how only Dallas fans are truly jumping to his defense.

Wait and see seems silly given a huge sample size of greatness this year and a legit MVP run...but it's defensible. DJax has gone WELL beyond "wait and see" to "we need to trade him".

Again, who in their right minds trades or thinks about trading a 2nd years starter making a legit MVP run?

 

[need2know]

Seahawks defense is trash. They got no pressure all night and still should have had multiple turnovers. Bring Purdy to Philly. He will get destroyed.

 

[Maggot Brain]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

IF it were just 'wait and see' many folks here wouldn't be as critical of the posts. The fact that it's gotten into the realm of 'trade him for ???'. That's just not rational talk in today's NFL. and I suspect you know this.

 

[jasvic]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Differing opinion is fine, but if you follow closely like all of us here do you see it's the constant stating of that opinion, the ridiculous nitpicking and not giving any credit for his improved play, the changing of goal posts on what's acceptable and giving no win situations and excuses for when he does play well. I get wanting to wait and see before crowning him, but that isn't what's happening (at least not all that's happening).

Right now, today, Hurts has jumped lightyears in his play from last season. He's the current MVP favorite. Those are facts and undeniable, yet every game thread and in here all he does is say how that play was lucky, oh the WR was wide open, oh the defense stinks, etc etc. Never giving him an ounce of credit for the improved play. It's an extremely biased take, wanting to be right more than anything else, and apparently unable to enjoy the season because being right is the priority. It gets old pretty quick. I like the dude, just hate bad faith arguments and wearing blinders like this.

Going into the season, Hurts was my #1 question for this team doing well. I had the same doubts as DJax does, but I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and he has far surpassed my wildest expectations.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

IF it were just 'wait and see' many folks here wouldn't be as critical of the posts. The fact that it's gotten into the realm of 'trade him for ???'. That's just not rational talk in today's NFL. and I suspect you know this.

All Im saying is that he has made his point. Yall have made yours, maybe we should all move on and see how things play out. You think one thing, he thinks another, that doesn't make his opinion any less rational than yours.

This is a philosophical debate, not a personal one. I look at things as if I were the one running the team. I fully admit that how I would run a team would be vastly different than most.

Im not in the building but if you ask me today, after seeing how the similar situations with Prescott and Cousins played out I would be in the camp of trying to sign Hurts sooner than later. If the Eagles (gasp,) win the SB, I would in no way want to pay $50-$60 million per season. I would then go into the "irrational" prospect of trading him. Just because Hurts is blowing up right now doesn't mean this is what he will be for 15 years or even next year. In fact, no way in hell will he be the threat to run as a power runner in the next few years. I know you guys think that doesn't help but I strongly disagree to put it lightly. The NFL is a nasty business and they eventually figure everyone out.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Differing opinion is fine, but if you follow closely like all of us here do you see it's the constant stating of that opinion, the ridiculous nitpicking and not giving any credit for his improved play, the changing of goal posts on what's acceptable and giving no win situations and excuses for when he does play well. I get wanting to wait and see before crowning him, but that isn't what's happening (at least not all that's happening).

Right now, today, Hurts has jumped lightyears in his play from last season. He's the current MVP favorite. Those are facts and undeniable, yet every game thread and in here all he does is say how that play was lucky, oh the WR was wide open, oh the defense stinks, etc etc. Never giving him an ounce of credit for the improved play. It's an extremely biased take, wanting to be right more than anything else, and apparently unable to enjoy the season because being right is the priority. It gets old pretty quick. I like the dude, just hate bad faith arguments and wearing blinders like this.

Going into the season, Hurts was my #1 question for this team doing well. I had the same doubts as DJax does, but I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and he has far surpassed my wildest expectations.

OK, so youre just all in? You think that Hurts will continue to play at a similar MVP level forever? I think thats All DJax is saying. Hes taking a Im still cautions approach. I also think DJax has been complimentary of hurts sometimes too.

Ill pay more attention going forward since this has become the NFC east thread.

 

[babydemon90]

Eagles/Niners NFC championship game would be fun.

In Philly I like our chances. That defense is good but has some areas that can be exploited.

On their offense, Purdy does not scare me. He's efficient and working well within the system right now but every week is a new game film. We'll have 8 total games to see what he can do by that point. I think Gannon will have a better idea how to attack him.

I think the Eagles stack up well with them, especially with Purdy. Wouldn't be a blowout by any stretch, but I'm more scared of the Cowboys (as much as we love to trash them)

 

[modogg]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Differing opinion is fine, but if you follow closely like all of us here do you see it's the constant stating of that opinion, the ridiculous nitpicking and not giving any credit for his improved play, the changing of goal posts on what's acceptable and giving no win situations and excuses for when he does play well. I get wanting to wait and see before crowning him, but that isn't what's happening (at least not all that's happening).

Right now, today, Hurts has jumped lightyears in his play from last season. He's the current MVP favorite. Those are facts and undeniable, yet every game thread and in here all he does is say how that play was lucky, oh the WR was wide open, oh the defense stinks, etc etc. Never giving him an ounce of credit for the improved play. It's an extremely biased take, wanting to be right more than anything else, and apparently unable to enjoy the season because being right is the priority. It gets old pretty quick. I like the dude, just hate bad faith arguments and wearing blinders like this.

Going into the season, Hurts was my #1 question for this team doing well. I had the same doubts as DJax does, but I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and he has far surpassed my wildest expectations.

OK, so youre just all in? You think that Hurts will continue to play at a similar MVP level forever? I think thats All DJax is saying. Hes taking a Im still cautions approach. I also think DJax has been complimentary of hurts sometimes too.

Ill pay more attention going forward since this has become the NFC east thread.

this thread is a little too crazy with Hurts talk. i would say i am 90% all in on Hurts for a 3-4 contract. i think with the Eagles, they wouldn't go like Big Ben route and just keep Hurts for 10-12 years.

and agree love the idea of an NFC East thread. should put it up before the Cowboys-Eagles game so we have a week to discuss. maybe even before the Giants-Skins game. And should push up the Hurts thread, and take a lot of that discourse there.

 

[babydemon90]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Differing opinion is fine, but if you follow closely like all of us here do you see it's the constant stating of that opinion, the ridiculous nitpicking and not giving any credit for his improved play, the changing of goal posts on what's acceptable and giving no win situations and excuses for when he does play well. I get wanting to wait and see before crowning him, but that isn't what's happening (at least not all that's happening).

Right now, today, Hurts has jumped lightyears in his play from last season. He's the current MVP favorite. Those are facts and undeniable, yet every game thread and in here all he does is say how that play was lucky, oh the WR was wide open, oh the defense stinks, etc etc. Never giving him an ounce of credit for the improved play. It's an extremely biased take, wanting to be right more than anything else, and apparently unable to enjoy the season because being right is the priority. It gets old pretty quick. I like the dude, just hate bad faith arguments and wearing blinders like this.

Going into the season, Hurts was my #1 question for this team doing well. I had the same doubts as DJax does, but I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and he has far surpassed my wildest expectations.

OK, so youre just all in? You think that Hurts will continue to play at a similar MVP level forever? I think thats All DJax is saying. Hes taking a Im still cautions approach. I also think DJax has been complimentary of hurts sometimes too.

Ill pay more attention going forward since this has become the NFC east thread.

No one thinks Hurts will play at a MVP level forever, and that isnt remotely what DJax has said. But we like DJax, we just give him crap for his Hurts takes. He provides a lot of good content and discussion, he's just got one blindspot (well two if you dare to criticize Wentz).

 

[modogg]

Eagles/Niners NFC championship game would be fun.

In Philly I like our chances. That defense is good but has some areas that can be exploited.

On their offense, Purdy does not scare me. He's efficient and working well within the system right now but every week is a new game film. We'll have 8 total games to see what he can do by that point. I think Gannon will have a better idea how to attack him.

I think the Eagles stack up well with them, especially with Purdy. Wouldn't be a blowout by any stretch, but I'm more scared of the Cowboys (as much as we love to trash them)

i like that the playoffs are a whole new beast. Cowboys and SF both failed pretty miserably last year in the playoffs, but if they took that hit to the chin correctly and channelled that into experience for the upcoming playoffs it could be a real fun barn burner

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Eagles/Niners NFC championship game would be fun.

In Philly I like our chances. That defense is good but has some areas that can be exploited.

On their offense, Purdy does not scare me. He's efficient and working well within the system right now but every week is a new game film. We'll have 8 total games to see what he can do by that point. I think Gannon will have a better idea how to attack him.

I think the Eagles stack up well with them, especially with Purdy. Wouldn't be a blowout by any stretch, but I'm more scared of the Cowboys (as much as we love to trash them)

i like that the playoffs are a whole new beast. Cowboys and SF both failed pretty miserably last year in the playoffs, but if they took that hit to the chin correctly and channelled that into experience for the upcoming playoffs it could be a real fun barn burner

SF looks formidable again. 4 year college starter Purdy has got nothing to lose and doesn't know that he shouldn't be doing this.

The Cowboys will choke like they always do. Losers.

 

[jasvic]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Differing opinion is fine, but if you follow closely like all of us here do you see it's the constant stating of that opinion, the ridiculous nitpicking and not giving any credit for his improved play, the changing of goal posts on what's acceptable and giving no win situations and excuses for when he does play well. I get wanting to wait and see before crowning him, but that isn't what's happening (at least not all that's happening).

Right now, today, Hurts has jumped lightyears in his play from last season. He's the current MVP favorite. Those are facts and undeniable, yet every game thread and in here all he does is say how that play was lucky, oh the WR was wide open, oh the defense stinks, etc etc. Never giving him an ounce of credit for the improved play. It's an extremely biased take, wanting to be right more than anything else, and apparently unable to enjoy the season because being right is the priority. It gets old pretty quick. I like the dude, just hate bad faith arguments and wearing blinders like this.

Going into the season, Hurts was my #1 question for this team doing well. I had the same doubts as DJax does, but I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and he has far surpassed my wildest expectations.

OK, so youre just all in? You think that Hurts will continue to play at a similar MVP level forever? I think thats All DJax is saying. Hes taking a Im still cautions approach. I also think DJax has been complimentary of hurts sometimes too.

Ill pay more attention going forward since this has become the NFC east thread.

All in? No, because the NFL changes weekly, let alone annually. I can say without a doubt, this year he's been awesome and MVP worthy. But that's not all that he's saying. I don't give excuses for his good play and I also don't constantly remind people why I think he's no good and never will be good. That's everyone's biggest issue here. Same thing happened with Sidney Jones, but he actually was a bum so only slightly less annoying. Once he sets his sights on someone being not good he harps on it every chance he gets. When his target is potentially the league MVP, it gets silly and incredibly annoying.

 

[modogg]

Eagles/Niners NFC championship game would be fun.

In Philly I like our chances. That defense is good but has some areas that can be exploited.

On their offense, Purdy does not scare me. He's efficient and working well within the system right now but every week is a new game film. We'll have 8 total games to see what he can do by that point. I think Gannon will have a better idea how to attack him.

I think the Eagles stack up well with them, especially with Purdy. Wouldn't be a blowout by any stretch, but I'm more scared of the Cowboys (as much as we love to trash them)

i like that the playoffs are a whole new beast. Cowboys and SF both failed pretty miserably last year in the playoffs, but if they took that hit to the chin correctly and channelled that into experience for the upcoming playoffs it could be a real fun barn burner

SF looks formidable again. 4 year college starter Purdy has got nothing to lose and doesn't know that he shouldn't be doing this.

The Cowboys will choke like they always do. Losers.

i'm holding off the best i can to discus playoffs until the Eagles get settled into their seeding. don't want to jinx anything with all of the good vibes with the team right now.

and i know the match-ups will determine a lot for the playoffs. I have a mini-cheering interest in seeing Vikings get at least 1 win to see JJ shine in the playoffs a bit. i know Slay obliterated JJ earlier this season, but that could be a real fun match-up.

and i haven't watched enough Cowboys this year to give a great take on them. seems like a lot of hills and valleys this year, they blew the doors off the Vikings as well i believe. Love digging into the stretch run here to the playoffs when we both have teams going to continue the season into the post-season

 

[unckeyherb]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Its not because he doesn't agree. There's plenty of room for debate on Hurts' future, but his opinion on Hurts is frankly ridiculous. Micah Parsons is probably going to (and should) win DPOY. This would be like someone constantly throwing caveats around his sacks like, "yeah but that LT is garbage" or "that QB has bad pocket awareness" and then suggesting that one great year doesn't mean he's actually a good player. Oh, and then suggesting that Dallas should consider trading him now to load up on picks 'if there is a guy in the draft that they really like'.

I mean, Hurts is dominating the position at every metric we use to judge QBs. That is not debatable. So instead, Djax has at least twice "wished" that there was some advanced (see: different) metric like in baseball that showed Hurts is actually not good.

Its not tribalism, its common sense. Hurts' performance this year is very comparable to Josh Allen's breakout year by just about every metric except winning percentage, which Hurts is doing better. No one, not one person openly debated whether Allen was the Bills' QB of the future or wrote off his success with comments like, 'well that one TD pass SHOULD have been intercepted". Universally, Allen was deemed (rightfully so) as a legit top; 5 QB in the NFL. Hurts is going to win the MVP and the Eagles are probably going to win 15 games this year and be the #1 seed throughout the playoffs. But he hasn't proved anything and we should think about trading him. I swear we're all being trolled on some Candid Camera routine.

 

[modogg]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Its not because he doesn't agree. There's plenty of room for debate on Hurts' future, but his opinion on Hurts is frankly ridiculous. Micah Parsons is probably going to (and should) win DPOY. This would be like someone constantly throwing caveats around his sacks like, "yeah but that LT is garbage" or "that QB has bad pocket awareness" and then suggesting that one great year doesn't mean he's actually a good player. Oh, and then suggesting that Dallas should consider trading him now to load up on picks 'if there is a guy in the draft that they really like'.

I mean, Hurts is dominating the position at every metric we use to judge QBs. That is not debatable. So instead, Djax has at least twice "wished" that there was some advanced (see: different) metric like in baseball that showed Hurts is actually not good.

Its not tribalism, its common sense. Hurts' performance this year is very comparable to Josh Allen's breakout year by just about every metric except winning percentage, which Hurts is doing better. No one, not one person openly debated whether Allen was the Bills' QB of the future or wrote off his success with comments like, 'well that one TD pass SHOULD have been intercepted". Universally, Allen was deemed (rightfully so) as a legit top; 5 QB in the NFL. Hurts is going to win the MVP and the Eagles are probably going to win 15 games this year and be the #1 seed throughout the playoffs. But he hasn't proved anything and we should think about trading him. I swear we're all being trolled on some Candid Camera routine.

i think most under-rated thing with Hurts is the intangibles too. Do Eagles still get AJ Brown if Hurts wasn't the QB? team seems to have rallied around him, while he does not have a big ego or doing too much strutting. love the fact that he had specific weaknesses last year, and this year those specific weaknesses are no longer in play. more weaknesses may show up, but his drive and work ethic seem to be able to combat that

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Its not because he doesn't agree. There's plenty of room for debate on Hurts' future, but his opinion on Hurts is frankly ridiculous. Micah Parsons is probably going to (and should) win DPOY. This would be like someone constantly throwing caveats around his sacks like, "yeah but that LT is garbage" or "that QB has bad pocket awareness" and then suggesting that one great year doesn't mean he's actually a good player. Oh, and then suggesting that Dallas should consider trading him now to load up on picks 'if there is a guy in the draft that they really like'.

I mean, Hurts is dominating the position at every metric we use to judge QBs. That is not debatable. So instead, Djax has at least twice "wished" that there was some advanced (see: different) metric like in baseball that showed Hurts is actually not good.

Its not tribalism, its common sense. Hurts' performance this year is very comparable to Josh Allen's breakout year by just about every metric except winning percentage, which Hurts is doing better. No one, not one person openly debated whether Allen was the Bills' QB of the future or wrote off his success with comments like, 'well that one TD pass SHOULD have been intercepted". Universally, Allen was deemed (rightfully so) as a legit top; 5 QB in the NFL. Hurts is going to win the MVP and the Eagles are probably going to win 15 games this year and be the #1 seed throughout the playoffs. But he hasn't proved anything and we should think about trading him. I swear we're all being trolled on some Candid Camera routine.

i think most under-rated thing with Hurts is the intangibles too. Do Eagles still get AJ Brown if Hurts wasn't the QB? team seems to have rallied around him, while he does not have a big ego or doing too much strutting. love the fact that he had specific weaknesses last year, and this year those specific weaknesses are no longer in play. more weaknesses may show up, but his drive and work ethic seem to be able to combat that

I agree with everything you said except the strutting, he does a lot of that. He dances and wears #1. Hes a peacock but his teammates seem to like him and Ive heard nothign but good things.

 

[The Noid]

I agree with everything you said except the strutting, he does a lot of that. He dances and wears #1. Hes a peacock

Here’s where you’re going to get piled on for a bad take and turn it into “Eagles fans don’t let anyone say anything they don’t agree with!”

Hurts’ whole persona is stoic, to the point it has become a meme about how all-business he is:

Jalen Hurts may be under pressure this season, but his face won’t show it.

Stone-faced after a TD while the WRs yuk it up.

But you saw him bust out the Griddy for 3 seconds after one TD and celebrate a game-winning TD in Indy in 2 of the 32 TDs he’s thrown or scored, so now he’s Randy “Macho Man” Savage.

This is the gist of the “DJax Therom”: Bring a reasonable discussion or genuine debate and you’ll get legitimate discourse. Spout nonsense as truth in the face of obvious and provable facts that you refuse to accept because they don’t fit your “opinion” and you’ll get clowned.

 

[unckeyherb]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Its not because he doesn't agree. There's plenty of room for debate on Hurts' future, but his opinion on Hurts is frankly ridiculous. Micah Parsons is probably going to (and should) win DPOY. This would be like someone constantly throwing caveats around his sacks like, "yeah but that LT is garbage" or "that QB has bad pocket awareness" and then suggesting that one great year doesn't mean he's actually a good player. Oh, and then suggesting that Dallas should consider trading him now to load up on picks 'if there is a guy in the draft that they really like'.

I mean, Hurts is dominating the position at every metric we use to judge QBs. That is not debatable. So instead, Djax has at least twice "wished" that there was some advanced (see: different) metric like in baseball that showed Hurts is actually not good.

Its not tribalism, its common sense. Hurts' performance this year is very comparable to Josh Allen's breakout year by just about every metric except winning percentage, which Hurts is doing better. No one, not one person openly debated whether Allen was the Bills' QB of the future or wrote off his success with comments like, 'well that one TD pass SHOULD have been intercepted". Universally, Allen was deemed (rightfully so) as a legit top; 5 QB in the NFL. Hurts is going to win the MVP and the Eagles are probably going to win 15 games this year and be the #1 seed throughout the playoffs. But he hasn't proved anything and we should think about trading him. I swear we're all being trolled on some Candid Camera routine.

i think most under-rated thing with Hurts is the intangibles too. Do Eagles still get AJ Brown if Hurts wasn't the QB? team seems to have rallied around him, while he does not have a big ego or doing too much strutting. love the fact that he had specific weaknesses last year, and this year those specific weaknesses are no longer in play. more weaknesses may show up, but his drive and work ethic seem to be able to combat that

I agree with everything you said except the strutting, he does a lot of that. He dances and wears #1. Hes a peacock but his teammates seem to like him and Ive heard nothign but good things.

Bro you couldn't be more wrong. He is the absolute antithesis of a peacock. The fact that he does a little dance when he scores a TD-like literally every other player in the NFL-does not belie that fact. He is arguably one of the most dialed in, serious and unaffected-by-the-moment players in the league. That is why his teammates like him and its what makes him an MVP candidate.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I agree with everything you said except the strutting, he does a lot of that. He dances and wears #1. Hes a peacock

Here’s where you’re going to get piled on for a bad take and turn it into “Eagles fans don’t let anyone say anything they don’t agree with!”

Hurts’ whole persona is stoic, to the point it has become a meme about how all-business he is:

Jalen Hurts may be under pressure this season, but his face won’t show it.

Stone-faced after a TD while the WRs yuk it up.

But you saw him bust out the Griddy for 3 seconds after one TD and celebrate a game-winning TD in Indy in 2 of the 32 TDs he’s thrown or scored, so now he’s Randy “Macho Man” Savage.

This is the gist of the “DJax Therom”: Bring a reasonable discussion or genuine debate and you’ll get legitimate discourse. Spout nonsense as truth in the face of obvious and provable facts that you refuse to accept because they don’t fit your “opinion” and you’ll get clowned.

Yeah I’m not worried about “getting clowned”. Is that really still a thing for you?

I’ve seen Hurts do a tick-tock dance multiple times throughout the season, I didn’t even watch the Indy game. Anybody who wears number 1 automatically has some “look at me” in him. There’s nothing wrong with it, I’m not saying that I dislike him for it, but you’re kidding yourselves if you don’t think he doesn’t have any

Lol at “Stoic”. Dude is a helluva football player but has the personality of a boot. Since you care about what other think, many of your fellow fans agreed with me on that so I doubt I get clowned.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You guys are way too emotional about these other grown men you don’t know personally.

Good grief.

 

[unckeyherb]

I'm not emotional about Jalen Hurts. I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks about Hurts or the Eagles in general. I'm just pointing out how insanely wrong you are so you don't embarrass yourself in the future. All good.

 

[Terpman22]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

IF it were just 'wait and see' many folks here wouldn't be as critical of the posts. The fact that it's gotten into the realm of 'trade him for ???'. That's just not rational talk in today's NFL. and I suspect you know this.

All Im saying is that he has made his point. Yall have made yours, maybe we should all move on and see how things play out. You think one thing, he thinks another, that doesn't make his opinion any less rational than yours.

This is a philosophical debate, not a personal one. I look at things as if I were the one running the team. I fully admit that how I would run a team would be vastly different than most.

Im not in the building but if you ask me today, after seeing how the similar situations with Prescott and Cousins played out I would be in the camp of trying to sign Hurts sooner than later. If the Eagles (gasp,) win the SB, I would in no way want to pay $50-$60 million per season. I would then go into the "irrational" prospect of trading him. Just because Hurts is blowing up right now doesn't mean this is what he will be for 15 years or even next year. In fact, no way in hell will he be the threat to run as a power runner in the next few years. I know you guys think that doesn't help but I strongly disagree to put it lightly. The NFL is a nasty business and they eventually figure everyone out.

And all we are saying is that it is HE who is beating the dead horse here. We get it. You hate Hurts. He lets the hate go and/or stops incessantly talking about him the way he does, do you think we keep piling on? I don't.

The bolded, I can at least debate football with you and well, that is an irrational take for sure. The better Hurts performs, the MORE likely you are to trade him? Weird. How much do you think it's going to cost to rebuild the team when a large number, if not all players take a look at "well, the Eagles will just trade you instead of pay you" not to mention it being 1. MVP or 2nd place MVP 2. Super Bowl Champ 3. Most likely SB MVP if they are champs. Do you realize how CRAZY you sound? It would crater the entire locker room and we'd be left with nothing. Maybe that is the hope.

The only thing I can say "I agree" on is the power running. But how do you know how long he will last? He doesn't take the hits Cam Newton did, and the NFL even more protects players/QB's now that even when Cam was slamming into LB's. We have no other QB to judge as a comparison, unless there is another former powerlifter QB that we know squats 600lbs etc.

Also, on the theme of "eventually he will not be the running QB later that he is today" I can agree. When that happens? Who knows. But isn't it fair to assume by the time that happens he will be a much much improved passer? Still just I don't think 40 starts under his belt into his career. Considering the giant leap in his development from his first full year starting to this year, I think its fair to say he is definitely not a finished product, we don't yet know his ceiling, and there is still a lot of room for growth.

 

[Amused to Death]

Im not in the building but if you ask me today, after seeing how the similar situations with Prescott and Cousins played out I would be in the camp of trying to sign Hurts sooner than later. If the Eagles (gasp,) win the SB, I would in no way want to pay $50-$60 million per season. I would then go into the "irrational" prospect of trading him. Just because Hurts is blowing up right now doesn't mean this is what he will be for 15 years or even next year. In fact, no way in hell will he be the threat to run as a power runner in the next few years. I know you guys think that doesn't help but I strongly disagree to put it lightly. The NFL is a nasty business and they eventually figure everyone out.

W/R/T paying Hurts sooner rather than later, I've seen some speculation from national media (sorry, no link) that the Eagles could try to work out an extension immediately following the regular season if they end up with the bye. I agree though that the longer the team waits the more expensive he'll become as other QBs start to get their next contracts.

As to how much he could potentially get right now, look at Kyler Murray's contract and go up from there.

 

[The Noid]

has the personality of a boot

As all preening, look-at-me peacocks do.

 

[jasvic]

has the personality of a boot

As all preening, look-at-me peacocks do.

Glad you found that. Thought I remembered seeing that from him. He's a boot and a peacock, how versatile!

 

[The Noid]

Scoured the ProQuest archives and found the doctoral dissertation that contained the scientific research behind the psychological profiles of professional sports players based on the jersey number they choose to wear.

Here are some of the findings:

#0: Have an irrational fear of straight lines.

#1: Attention-seeking peacocks that need everyone to look at them.

#2: Weak bowels, often have to drop a deuce in high-pressure situations.

#3: Believe in magic numbers.

#4: Subliminally prefer golf to the sport they actually play.

#8: Secret members of the Van Buren Boys gang.

#13: Racist against triskaidekaphobians.

#25: Swallowed a quarter as a toddler.

#69: Still regularly use “That’s what she said!”

Can’t argue with science

 

[Terpman22]

Scoured the ProQuest archives and found the doctoral dissertation that contained the scientific research behind the psychological profiles of professional sports players based on the jersey number they choose to wear.

Here are some of the findings:

#0: Have an irrational fear of straight lines.

#1: Attention-seeking peacocks that need everyone to look at them.

#2: Weak bowels, often have to drop a deuce in high-pressure situations.

#3: Believe in magic numbers.

#4: Subliminally prefer golf to the sport they actually play.

#8: Secret members of the Van Buren Boys gang.

#13: Racist against triskaidekaphobians.

#25: Swallowed a quarter as a toddler.

#69: Still regularly use “That’s what she said!”

Can’t argue with science

Just when you thought you could debate sports with someone they bring out the "Well we know all #1 are selfish divas no matter what they say, no matter what evidence the show the opposite. He danced after a touchdown after all! You'd think after 30+ touchdowns in only 13 games he'd act like he's been there before"

Boomer?

 

[roar_lions]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Differing opinion is fine, but if you follow closely like all of us here do you see it's the constant stating of that opinion, the ridiculous nitpicking and not giving any credit for his improved play, the changing of goal posts on what's acceptable and giving no win situations and excuses for when he does play well. I get wanting to wait and see before crowning him, but that isn't what's happening (at least not all that's happening).

Right now, today, Hurts has jumped lightyears in his play from last season. He's the current MVP favorite. Those are facts and undeniable, yet every game thread and in here all he does is say how that play was lucky, oh the WR was wide open, oh the defense stinks, etc etc. Never giving him an ounce of credit for the improved play. It's an extremely biased take, wanting to be right more than anything else, and apparently unable to enjoy the season because being right is the priority. It gets old pretty quick. I like the dude, just hate bad faith arguments and wearing blinders like this.

Going into the season, Hurts was my #1 question for this team doing well. I had the same doubts as DJax does, but I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and he has far surpassed my wildest expectations.

OK, so youre just all in? You think that Hurts will continue to play at a similar MVP level forever? I think thats All DJax is saying. Hes taking a Im still cautions approach. I also think DJax has been complimentary of hurts sometimes too.

Ill pay more attention going forward since this has become the NFC east thread.

All in? No, because the NFL changes weekly, let alone annually. I can say without a doubt, this year he's been awesome and MVP worthy. But that's not all that he's saying. I don't give excuses for his good play and I also don't constantly remind people why I think he's no good and never will be good. That's everyone's biggest issue here. Same thing happened with Sidney Jones, but he actually was a bum so only slightly less annoying. Once he sets his sights on someone being not good he harps on it every chance he gets. When his target is potentially the league MVP, it gets silly and incredibly annoying.

Just wanted to add that his take on whether a player is good or not is often based on what college they played for, or if they looked good to him when he saw them play a few college games.

 

[Lehigh98]

You guys are ruining this thread with your BS.

 

[Terpman22]

You guys are ruining this thread with your BS.

"The Art Of the Troll" being played to perfection here. I agree.

With that said.

Bears game. Doesn't scare me. They have no pass rush. Their best guy in the secondary is on IR. Their best WR is on IR. They got a fast, improving QB and 1 RB left. It will be cold, but clean weather. Should be. 34-17 sorta score is what I expect. Container Fields, don't turn the ball over and we got a W.

 

[Deamon]

OK, so youre just all in? You think that Hurts will continue to play at a similar MVP level forever? I think thats All DJax is saying. Hes taking a Im still cautions approach. I also think DJax has been complimentary of hurts sometimes too.

Ill pay more attention going forward since this has become the NFC east thread.

I’ve seen Hurts do a tick-tock dance multiple times throughout the season, I didn’t even watch the Indy game. Anybody who wears number 1 automatically has some “look at me” in him. There’s nothing wrong with it, I’m not saying that I dislike him for it, but you’re kidding yourselves if you don’t think he doesn’t have any

Lol at “Stoic”. Dude is a helluva football player but has the personality of a boot. Since you care about what other think, many of your fellow fans agreed with me on that so I doubt I get clowned.

@STEADYMOBBIN 22 man you're killin me! lol. I keep sticking up for you because you usually come in peace and have good rational discussions lately but I think your other cowboys fan has got you all riled up and a little off course. Respectively, my list part 2:

1. No we're not just all in and thinking he will play at a similar MVP level forever. Don't straw man us. No one is saying that. We're saying there's not 5 QB's we'd rather have, he's blowing away all expectations, and absolutely is looking like the franchise QB (even if it means no more MVPs) that we want around here for a while.

2. He is NOT taking the "I'm still cautious approach". I highly doubt (I don't blame you) that you have read most or even many of his posts from start to finish. He has made up his mind about Hurts, and if you can't see this then you're either not paying attention or not wanting to see what's in front of you. If Jalen wins MVP and the Super Bowl (I don't think he will, but he's the front-runner for both so he's at least in the conversation) then I GUARANTEE you he would not be saying he was wrong or giving him props. You've seen how he is with Micah Parsons... he kept saying how awful Parsons was his entire rookie year. Any Penn State player will always have a negative to talk about in his posts. Game threads, after every Hurts TD, his FIRST reaction and post was "Wow that should have been picked", "we got lucky there", or usually, "Wow what awful defense". C'mon, do you HONESTLY think he's being objective? @The Noid and @renesauz are 2 of the most level headed, non homer posters on these boards and even they're annoyed with it. I think you're playing devils advocate or trying to stir the pot, or just haven't read all the posts, because it's absurd to think all he's doing is 'wait and see'.

3. C'mon, the #1 thing? I'm not sure any QB hasn't danced before after a TD, and if you think Hurts has a little "look at me", he's by far below average on that. You said yourself his personality is a boot (I tend to agree with you there). If anything the guy is too poised (sure call it 'calm' or 'boring' if you'd prefer).

 

[Deamon]

Scoured the ProQuest archives and found the doctoral dissertation that contained the scientific research behind the psychological profiles of professional sports players based on the jersey number they choose to wear.

Here are some of the findings:

#0: Have an irrational fear of straight lines.

#1: Attention-seeking peacocks that need everyone to look at them.

#2: Weak bowels, often have to drop a deuce in high-pressure situations.

#3: Believe in magic numbers.

#4: Subliminally prefer golf to the sport they actually play.

#8: Secret members of the Van Buren Boys gang.

#13: Racist against triskaidekaphobians.

#25: Swallowed a quarter as a toddler.

#69: Still regularly use “That’s what she said!”

Can’t argue with science

lol this is gold

 

[Lehigh98]

Now that we locked up a playoff spot and are a couple games up for the NFC, what else can we root for this week?

Tankathon! (Green = favorite / Red = dog in projected game odds)

1.01 - HOU - 1-11-1 - Two games up on the field with only four to play, pretty much locked up #1.
1.02 - DEN (to SEA) - 3-10 - vs ARI, @ LAR, @ KC, vs LAC - A couple winnable games there and no reason for DEN to roll over.
1.03 - CHI - 3-10 - vs PHI, vs BUF, @ DET. vs MIN - Very good chance of going 0-4 for a 3-14 record and #2.
1.04 - LAR (to DET) - 4-9 - @ GB, vs DEN, @ LAC, @ SEA - Also a winnable game or two with no reason to roll over.
1.05 - NO (to PHI) - 4-9 - vs ATL, @ CLE, @ PHI, vs CAR - Unfortunately a couple winnable games there, hopefully Ridder is ready to play.
1.06 - ARI - 4-9 - @ DEN, vs TB, @ ATL, @ SF - QB is done, Coach may be on the way out, a couple winnable games but why?
1.07 - IND - 4-8-1 - @ MIN, vs LAC, @ NYG, vs HOU - Maybe HOU actually tries to win one after they have #1 locked up?
1.08 - 1.14 - Seven teams at 5-8 (LV, CAR, ATL, JAX, CLE, PIT, GB) 4 with lower SOS, 3 with higher SOS
We really don't want the Saints to win and move up into this group where we could drop a bunch of spots.

I don't think it's possible to get ahead of HOU or CHI (unless we play some 4D chess and tank that game )
If DEN can win those two and NO loses out, we could jump ahead of them.
If LAR can show some pride / life, we may have a shot of jumping them... if NO continues to lose.
I think ARI has as much chance to win as NO so they may stay behind us on SOS.
IND should be able to win that HOU game but who know with those guys.

I'd say our probable pick range is anywhere from #3 to #11.
Based on mocks, it would be nice to get into the top 4 but if NO starts winning, we could still end up close to mid round.
It would REAAALLLY suck to lose to NO at home. (Projected line is -9.5 right now)

 

[Amused to Death]

Now that we locked up a playoff spot and are a couple games up for the NFC, what else can we root for this week?

Tankathon! (Green = favorite / Red = dog in projected game odds)

1.01 - HOU - 1-11-1 - Two games up on the field with only four to play, pretty much locked up #1.
1.02 - DEN (to SEA) - 3-10 - vs ARI, @ LAR, @ KC, vs LAC - A couple winnable games there and no reason for DEN to roll over.
1.03 - CHI - 3-10 - vs PHI, vs BUF, @ DET. vs MIN - Very good chance of going 0-4 for a 3-14 record and #2.
1.04 - LAR (to DET) - 4-9 - @ GB, vs DEN, @ LAC, @ SEA - Also a winnable game or two with no reason to roll over.
1.05 - NO (to PHI) - 4-9 - vs ATL, @ CLE, @ PHI, vs CAR - Unfortunately a couple winnable games there, hopefully Ridder is ready to play.
1.06 - ARI - 4-9 - @ DEN, vs TB, @ ATL, @ SF - QB is done, Coach may be on the way out, a couple winnable games but why?
1.07 - IND - 4-8-1 - @ MIN, vs LAC, @ NYG, vs HOU - Maybe HOU actually tries to win one after they have #1 locked up?
1.08 - 1.14 - Seven teams at 5-8 (LV, CAR, ATL, JAX, CLE, PIT, GB) 4 with lower SOS, 3 with higher SOS
We really don't want the Saints to win and move up into this group where we could drop a bunch of spots.

I don't think it's possible to get ahead of HOU or CHI (unless we play some 4D chess and tank that game )
If DEN can win those two and NO loses out, we could jump ahead of them.
If LAR can show some pride / life, we may have a shot of jumping them... if NO continues to lose.
I think ARI has as much chance to win as NO so they may stay behind us on SOS.
IND should be able to win that HOU game but who know with those guys.

I'd say our probable pick range is anywhere from #3 to #11.
Based on mocks, it would be nice to get into the top 4 but if NO starts winning, we could still end up close to mid round.
It would REAAALLLY suck to lose to NO at home. (Projected line is -9.5 right now)

Nice, I was looking at just the Rams and Saints but its nice to see the level of detail.

 

[DJackson10]

They don't give X Player enough credit" every single year. It gets old. Caring too much about what others say is SUCH a Cowboys thing.

@Terpman22

I knew if I just waited a day or day there would be a pile more. Honestly, you don’t read the posts? Everyday? Ray Charles could see it. You don’t think it’s….odd?

Eagles fans are having the season of most fans lives so far. Instead of kicking back and enjoying it, you all spend your days trying to convince everyone how good your team and especially your qb are. That’s all I was trying to say before.

o/u on 20 mins until deamon starts pounding his keyboard complaining about my post even though most of his posts anymore are him whining about me and @DJackson10 and not about football

I have him on ignore only see what he post because the new board set up when responding to someone quote tweets everyone else. Complains people don't keep it football Eagles related yet most of his post don't seem to be either.

 

[DJackson10]

Yeah I've been saying Allen is the closest to comp for Hurts. Its amazing how close their 3rd year stats are. And both were 24 years old.

JA & JH year 2 side-by-side comparison.

JA & JH year 3 side-by-side comparison.

Strikingly similar.

Its almost as if adding a young, developing QB a significant weapon to catch the ball over the previous, much inferior cast, helps accelerate said development!

Something ya know, we preached for a good 5 years to Andy Reid when he started out.

Or like some other QBs they are only as good as the talent around them. Look at Lamar when his talent Dwindled, Look at Kaepernick. I will say Hurts is a better developed passer then both. Not sure why people can't realize that could be a possibility

 

[DJackson10]

I'm tempted to put Wentz's 2017 season under the same microscope so we can show how he was a bum all along, he just got lucky or played bad teams or whatever other excuse.

Wentz played some great defenses and teams that year. The Eagles schedule that year going into the season was ranked tied for the top 1O in hardest schedules. This year it's was ranked as one of the softest schedules in the league.

Fortunately the road isn't going to get any harder for Hurts this year. The NFC (and the NFL for that matter) is probably the weakest I can recall in a long time. Even Buffalo and KC have some glaring weaknesses at the moment. I hate to say this but the Eagles really do have a lot pressure to win it all this year. They're the best team in the NFL right now and 2nd place doesn't appear to be all that close. So yes they had a soft schedule but it should continue (even in the playoffs).

Yep at this point not reaching the SB might actually be disappointment now and lost season. Crazy to be saying that now. I'm not saying they have to but media etc folks with the way they have played and weak conference thats their expectations. They don't win it was a fluke season. If Hurts plays closer to 21 then 22 it's a fluke and the Eagles aren't as good next year it becomes a fluke. They're in a damed if you do damed if you don't situation now.

 

[DJackson10]

Dude has a GREAT season against one of the weakest schedules in the league. I personally think he’s going to be a good one, but Djax is rightfully (imo) taking the wait and see approach. And getting kilt for it

People will just say but but Wentz with me. Hey people change and take a different approach from learning things. You are right and it's not just here. I'm not a kool aid drinker everything is right but even social media I see fans trying to convince everyone how Hurts is the greatest since sliced bread. I think I've successfully explained my reasoning of my opinion here too. Hey I'm use to it. I was gun ho on Ben Simmons not being great even said He'll be traded by his 5th season by the 76ers and they'll regret the pick. Pretty on the button with the take too including if they do trade him they'll be trading him for another malcontent.

The thing is I've seen this in the past. QB who's just avg-above avg plays soft schedule with great talent around him great season. Tougher schedule following year not all the talent around and goes back to the AVG player he was projected as. Anyone remember the Bobby Hoying Eagles season and everyone thought he was our guy?

 

[DJackson10]

Eagles/Niners NFC championship game would be fun.

49ers are the team that I think can give them the most trouble

 

[DJackson10]

I'm tempted to put Wentz's 2017 season under the same microscope so we can show how he was a bum all along, he just got lucky or played bad teams or whatever other excuse.

Wentz played some great defenses and teams that year. The Eagles schedule that year going into the season was ranked tied for the top 1O in hardest schedules. This year it's was ranked as one of the softest schedules in the league.

'17 Eagles Opp win % .461
'22 Eagles Opp win % (as of now) .462

wow one hundredth of a percentage point better is this before or during the season though? In other words similar schedule strength so no one has an argument there.

 

[DJackson10]

Would you consider that trolling?

Meh, people use the word trolling too much on this board. It’s the go to every time anyone disagrees with the masses

people don't understand words they use thats why. Not to get political but its the same way with terms in those discussions. A lot of people using words they don't understand, taking out of context etc. It happens.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

OK, so youre just all in? You think that Hurts will continue to play at a similar MVP level forever? I think thats All DJax is saying. Hes taking a Im still cautions approach. I also think DJax has been complimentary of hurts sometimes too.

That’s all I said before. I don’t read every post, but I haven’t seen him post that the eagles should trade Hurts

 

[DJackson10]

When it comes to the Eagles future I'm less concerned about a possible Hurts drop-off than I am the rest of the roster. There's a lot of pieces in place that are most likely this year only or getting older. That's why I'd take that devil deal that came up earlier for a SB this season, because who knows what we'll have next year. Could be holes at RB, CB, LB, safety, d-line. They can't resign everyone. Not saying they go back to being a bad team, but I'm not expecting this level of dominance next year unless Howie works some crazy magic again.

I'd take that deal if I had an incompetent GM that can't manage the salary cap like that dude down in Tennessee. But we got Howie Roseman, the revolutionary GM that popularized NFL trades in the league. Trades didn't happen as much they are happening today until after Howie Roseman came into the league.

Also screw Dallas haha

The Dallas Cowboys have been brought up in pretty much every page of this thread for the last couple months. And not by Cowboys fans

Almost as much as Cowboys players going to IR each week.

Super cool take. Grow up.

Ain’t it something ?

I mean, I mentioned something about the team rather than the fans (which is a fact, Cowboys players, key players are dropping like flies lately). So I will chalk it up to progress. Whats the plan over there in Dallas when Peters and/or Tyron eventually are back in the medical tent?

They don't give X Player enough credit" every single year. It gets old. Caring too much about what others say is SUCH a Cowboys thing.

@Terpman22

I knew if I just waited a day or day there would be a pile more. Honestly, you don’t read the posts? Everyday? Ray Charles could see it. You don’t think it’s….odd?

Eagles fans are having the season of most fans lives so far. Instead of kicking back and enjoying it, you all spend your days trying to convince everyone how good your team and especially your qb are. That’s all I was trying to say before.

o/u on 20 mins until deamon starts pounding his keyboard complaining about my post even though most of his posts anymore are him whining about me and @DJackson10 and not about football

You can't see how this is trolling? You don't see how absolutely ridiculous the anti-Hurts sentiment from DJax is? REALLY?

MOst of the people in here are still nervous

Honestly? Djax is the one who has his head on straight imo.
Dude has a GREAT season against one of the weakest schedules in the league. I personally think he’s going to be a good one, but Djax is rightfully (imo) taking the wait and see approach. And getting kilt for it

I’ve been around these parts long enough to remember the “Wentz is better than Dak!!!!” stuff.
I also remember all of the “Howie is God!!!” then the “Zomg Howie sucks this is bull **** FIRE HOWIE!!!!’l and now back to the “Howie is just the BEST EVAH !!!!!” that goes in on this thread nowadays. If you don’t recall all of this you are not being honest.

Show me a team thread on this board with more defensive and butthurt fans in it than this one and I’ll never post in this one again lol.

I’ll wait

Some of these are fair points, but also due to "law of large numbers" b/c I don't think any team, for whatever reason, has as many fans posting on it as Eagles fans.
Djax is getting killed for being that guy that "no matter what, is never going to change his original take despite all evidence since take was made to prove the complete opposite"
No one likes people like this. The politics forum on this site got killed in large part to this phenomenon (hate to go there, truly)
2017 Wentz was better than Dak. Not sure how that is debatable. Dak is the better QB now. Cool?
The bolded is the funniest b/c check the stats in the games against any/all current playoff teams and the point differential.
My question for the now evolving narrative that seems to be something along the lines of "Well, LOOK AT THE STACKED ROSTER anyone that is QB behind that line with those weapons ESPECIALLY with that schedule would be MVP" and its a fallacy, a false take, what have you trying to explain away greatness. It happens to greatness often. My question though, if people are not playing 20/20 rearview vision being 100% right all the time, show me your takes knowing 1. easy schedule 2. obviously awesome roster where you or anyone even has the Eagles winning 10 games.

And being real, if you had a single fan on your board that the entire board for the most part rolled their eyes at, and an Eagles fan came in and was like "Yeah yeah, what this guy says"

Would you consider that trolling?

LOL. Again its all good. Not much time left to explain away.

I've been saying from day 1 though the talent around him is better. My take hasn't changed since then. It's funny people in this city say how tough we are but most of the time everyone acts so sensitive when others aren't yanking it like a monkey in a mango tree to the philly teams unless the negative take is something everyone agrees with.

Lets take example Ben Simmons again as its kind of perfect. Myself and some other fans got blasted for Not seeing Simmons as great as many thought. One guy in particular I became friendly with on Twitter we both were blasted for yrs. Jonathan Gioviney was blasted for his Ben scouting report yet most of it became true. 76ers fans owe that man an apology for the attacks on him. Then after the Hawks Series people changed. The Simmons defenders were now getting blasted by people. The media then turned on him as well from being defensive on him and the team to oh this guy needs to be traded, why did the team ever sign him etc. You then had the local media ragging the league for taking Hinkie out. That was hilarious to me because a few people with knowledge including a former coworker who was Brown's neighbor said Hinkie left because of infighting between Brown and Hinkie. But to keep the narrative no one wanted them to tank it became the league made us. 76ers then went and asked the league for help to find a new GM and recommended JC at the time.

Its just really funny how people interrupt things. Even with the whole Carson/Eagles situation. There was plenty of blame to go around just not one person. but people come up with their own narratives.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

OK, so youre just all in? You think that Hurts will continue to play at a similar MVP level forever? I think thats All DJax is saying. Hes taking a Im still cautions approach. I also think DJax has been complimentary of hurts sometimes too.

Ill pay more attention going forward since this has become the NFC east thread.

I’ve seen Hurts do a tick-tock dance multiple times throughout the season, I didn’t even watch the Indy game. Anybody who wears number 1 automatically has some “look at me” in him. There’s nothing wrong with it, I’m not saying that I dislike him for it, but you’re kidding yourselves if you don’t think he doesn’t have any

Lol at “Stoic”. Dude is a helluva football player but has the personality of a boot. Since you care about what other think, many of your fellow fans agreed with me on that so I doubt I get clowned.

@STEADYMOBBIN 22 man you're killin me! lol. I keep sticking up for you because you usually come in peace and have good rational discussions lately but I think your other cowboys fan has got you all riled up and a little off course. Respectively, my list part 2:

1. No we're not just all in and thinking he will play at a similar MVP level forever. Don't straw man us. No one is saying that. We're saying there's not 5 QB's we'd rather have, he's blowing away all expectations, and absolutely is looking like the franchise QB (even if it means no more MVPs) that we want around here for a while.

2. He is NOT taking the "I'm still cautious approach". I highly doubt (I don't blame you) that you have read most or even many of his posts from start to finish. He has made up his mind about Hurts, and if you can't see this then you're either not paying attention or not wanting to see what's in front of you. If Jalen wins MVP and the Super Bowl (I don't think he will, but he's the front-runner for both so he's at least in the conversation) then I GUARANTEE you he would not be saying he was wrong or giving him props. You've seen how he is with Micah Parsons... he kept saying how awful Parsons was his entire rookie year. Any Penn State player will always have a negative to talk about in his posts. Game threads, after every Hurts TD, his FIRST reaction and post was "Wow that should have been picked", "we got lucky there", or usually, "Wow what awful defense". C'mon, do you HONESTLY think he's being objective? @The Noid and @renesauz are 2 of the most level headed, non homer posters on these boards and even they're annoyed with it. I think you're playing devils advocate or trying to stir the pot, or just haven't read all the posts, because it's absurd to think all he's doing is 'wait and see'.

3. C'mon, the #1 thing? I'm not sure any QB hasn't danced before after a TD, and if you think Hurts has a little "look at me", he's by far below average on that. You said yourself his personality is a boot (I tend to agree with you there). If anything the guy is too poised (sure call it 'calm' or 'boring' if you'd prefer).

Yeah, I’m not sure what the major uproar is here (with others).I agree with everything you said and how you characterized your feelings on Hurts.

#1) That’s fair and again, I think if it’s possible you try and sign him as soon as they can start negotiations. Hell, start them behind closed doors. The faster and hopefully cheaper you sign him the better (unless you plan to grind him into the ground and make him play out his rookie deal, something that won’t go over well).

2) Also fair and yeah, I cannot read all of those posts.

3) Exactly. I think I even said there is nothing wrong with a little peacocking when I mentioned it. My mentioning the #1 isn’t a ginormous deal- but yes, I 100% think when a player chooses to wear the #1 is a “thing”. It can be good or it can be bad but in a team sport like football you are openly putting everyone on notice that you are kind of a big deal around here. Again, it works for some people and it’s working for Hurts right now.

 

[DJackson10]

They don't give X Player enough credit" every single year. It gets old. Caring too much about what others say is SUCH a Cowboys thing.

@Terpman22

I knew if I just waited a day or day there would be a pile more. Honestly, you don’t read the posts? Everyday? Ray Charles could see it. You don’t think it’s….odd?

Eagles fans are having the season of most fans lives so far. Instead of kicking back and enjoying it, you all spend your days trying to convince everyone how good your team and especially your qb are. That’s all I was trying to say before.

o/u on 20 mins until deamon starts pounding his keyboard complaining about my post even though most of his posts anymore are him whining about me and @DJackson10 and not about football

You can't see how this is trolling? You don't see how absolutely ridiculous the anti-Hurts sentiment from DJax is? REALLY?

MOst of the people in here are still nervous

but Djax is rightfully (imo) taking the wait and see approach.

Is he really, though? From many of his recent posts in this thread, he's talking about trading Hurts first chance he gets. That's not taking a "wait and see approach". That's insinuating that the guy is going to be a bust and strike while the iron is hot. Good thing for Eagles fans that he's not GM because nobody in their right mind trades a guy who could be on the path of becoming a legit franchise QB. Any GM would at least take a "wait and see" approach.

I'm more so talking if a trade is there they can't refuse I'd take it. This team is built well enough if they can keep most of the talent I think most QBs can do well. If you remember before the season I said if Hurts is just game manager enough the talent on this roster is good enough to make a good playoff run and if he can get hot like Foles did in the 17 playoffs maybe we can do something. People thought trading Foles was terrible in the end it was a pretty good decision just the wrong QB traded for. Foles after that great season was a back up QB at best. Not saying that's Hurts I think he's a starter but a low end starter. Win you games against terrible teams needs help to win vs better opponents. Don't think he'll ever be that type of "elite". I can see the Kaepernick effect with him too. Talent around him makes him better minute talent isn't there he's exposed. I'd be trading him more so because I don't think he'll be worth the contract. We only have him til next year unless we extend him or franchise don't have the luxury of a 5th year opt on the guy.

At the same time maybe we're on to something but again we don't have the luxury a team with a 1st rounder does in the 5th year option. So if we were to lose him rather get more now then let him go for maybe a 2nd rounder for the following year. You know if he's not the guy and we loose him for nothing we are gonna have the "Howie should've traded him sooner crowd."

 

[Deamon]

I'm tempted to put Wentz's 2017 season under the same microscope so we can show how he was a bum all along, he just got lucky or played bad teams or whatever other excuse.

Wentz played some great defenses and teams that year. The Eagles schedule that year going into the season was ranked tied for the top 1O in hardest schedules. This year it's was ranked as one of the softest schedules in the league.

'17 Eagles Opp win % .461
'22 Eagles Opp win % (as of now) .462

wow one hundredth of a percentage point better is this before or during the season though? In other words similar schedule strength so no one has an argument there.

lol what? You're the one who made the argument that we have a wayyy easier schedule this year lol

 

[DJackson10]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

IF it were just 'wait and see' many folks here wouldn't be as critical of the posts. The fact that it's gotten into the realm of 'trade him for ???'. That's just not rational talk in today's NFL. and I suspect you know this.

All Im saying is that he has made his point. Yall have made yours, maybe we should all move on and see how things play out. You think one thing, he thinks another, that doesn't make his opinion any less rational than yours.

This is a philosophical debate, not a personal one. I look at things as if I were the one running the team. I fully admit that how I would run a team would be vastly different than most.

Im not in the building but if you ask me today, after seeing how the similar situations with Prescott and Cousins played out I would be in the camp of trying to sign Hurts sooner than later. If the Eagles (gasp,) win the SB, I would in no way want to pay $50-$60 million per season. I would then go into the "irrational" prospect of trading him. Just because Hurts is blowing up right now doesn't mean this is what he will be for 15 years or even next year. In fact, no way in hell will he be the threat to run as a power runner in the next few years. I know you guys think that doesn't help but I strongly disagree to put it lightly. The NFL is a nasty business and they eventually figure everyone out.

I look at the team like I was running it not as a fan. Thats gonna piss people off for sure.Some people will agree with some of the opinions and other opinions they won't. I'm not in the party of lets back up the truck after one good season though. If I saw ways of making this team better for next year and 8 yrs from now I'm making a move. I want the team to be good for yrs not 1-4 good yrs. Extending a guy just because of one good year or backing up the truck for a player on last year of his deal and plays well in a contract year aren't good traits to have as a GM. Hurts has been great this year. My Question is can he do this every year? If I'm hesitant about it I think about making moves that I see that image.

I personally would've handle the whole Wentz/Doug/Howie situation much different. Get a vet Back up in Here and draft a developmental guy later in the draft. Go Eagles old school guy plays well he won't be the starter here trade him rinse and repeat I'd take the opinion of my coach but I still got final say on the roster with my Owner. You just don't draft a Developmental QB in the 2nd round. What if this was DAL and this past draft DAL Drafted Corral, Picket, Riddle or Howell in the 1st 2 rounds as a Dev QB? I think DAK wouldn't be too happy and with what occurred say that QB played great you got yourself a controversy.

A lot of people think like fans not like a GM or owner. Thats great and all but makes it harder to discuss actual things NFL teams look at. Teams are always looking at upgrades everywhere in case something happens. No guarantees in this league and its why I love the NFL. Any Given Sunday.

I'm also not drafting an RB Top 5 nor am I spending outrageous money to keep Sanders. I'd actually look into seeing if CINCY keeps Perine and make him my lead back. I'm keeping options open for other things. People say they wouldn't trade Hurts but what if HOU came up with 3 1st including this year 's #1 Dameon Pierce and one other piece for one of our 2 1st rounders Hurts and one of our Back up OL guys. You got a chance to take Bryce Young in the draft. You're lying if you aren't taking that deal. 2 first rounders for a team who probably will be picking top 1O for the next few yrs a young starting back and another piece plus 2 extra first? I'd take that constantly. Now that's a dumb move by HOU GM but I'm keeping options open and an open mind.

 

[DJackson10]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Differing opinion is fine, but if you follow closely like all of us here do you see it's the constant stating of that opinion, the ridiculous nitpicking and not giving any credit for his improved play, the changing of goal posts on what's acceptable and giving no win situations and excuses for when he does play well. I get wanting to wait and see before crowning him, but that isn't what's happening (at least not all that's happening).

Right now, today, Hurts has jumped lightyears in his play from last season. He's the current MVP favorite. Those are facts and undeniable, yet every game thread and in here all he does is say how that play was lucky, oh the WR was wide open, oh the defense stinks, etc etc. Never giving him an ounce of credit for the improved play. It's an extremely biased take, wanting to be right more than anything else, and apparently unable to enjoy the season because being right is the priority. It gets old pretty quick. I like the dude, just hate bad faith arguments and wearing blinders like this.

Going into the season, Hurts was my #1 question for this team doing well. I had the same doubts as DJax does, but I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and he has far surpassed my wildest expectations.

OK, so youre just all in? You think that Hurts will continue to play at a similar MVP level forever? I think thats All DJax is saying. Hes taking a Im still cautions approach. I also think DJax has been complimentary of hurts sometimes too.

Ill pay more attention going forward since this has become the NFC east thread.

All in? No, because the NFL changes weekly, let alone annually. I can say without a doubt, this year he's been awesome and MVP worthy. But that's not all that he's saying. I don't give excuses for his good play and I also don't constantly remind people why I think he's no good and never will be good. That's everyone's biggest issue here. Same thing happened with Sidney Jones, but he actually was a bum so only slightly less annoying. Once he sets his sights on someone being not good he harps on it every chance he gets. When his target is potentially the league MVP, it gets silly and incredibly annoying.

Just wanted to add that his take on whether a player is good or not is often based on what college they played for, or if they looked good to him when he saw them play a few college games.

Most people do that. I remember distrinctively a lot of fans and scouts saying Carson shouldn't be a top pick because of the college and level he played at. also there's schools with history of turning out great players at certain positions who succeed while others churn out good talent that doesn't translate to the NFL.

Wisconsin - Always good OLine

PSU- Good LBs

LSU and UF- Good DBs

Oregon- Good QBs that don't always translate well to the NFL. Only Exception to this trend has been Justin Herbert

OSU- Good QB talent doesn't translate to the NFL usually or limited success.

Then you look at conferences and how good they are too. I remember saying Reggie Bush wasn't as great as people thought he was and he never played great defenses his Heisman year. He was a good NFL player but never played up to draft position.

 

[JAA]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Differing opinion is fine, but if you follow closely like all of us here do you see it's the constant stating of that opinion, the ridiculous nitpicking and not giving any credit for his improved play, the changing of goal posts on what's acceptable and giving no win situations and excuses for when he does play well. I get wanting to wait and see before crowning him, but that isn't what's happening (at least not all that's happening).

Right now, today, Hurts has jumped lightyears in his play from last season. He's the current MVP favorite. Those are facts and undeniable, yet every game thread and in here all he does is say how that play was lucky, oh the WR was wide open, oh the defense stinks, etc etc. Never giving him an ounce of credit for the improved play. It's an extremely biased take, wanting to be right more than anything else, and apparently unable to enjoy the season because being right is the priority. It gets old pretty quick. I like the dude, just hate bad faith arguments and wearing blinders like this.

Going into the season, Hurts was my #1 question for this team doing well. I had the same doubts as DJax does, but I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and he has far surpassed my wildest expectations.

I dont like Hurts, I feel like he is a flash in the pan this year.

However, he is winning me over with his MVP play this season. If he brings home a Lombardi this season I will be his biggest fan and buy a jersey.

 

[Deamon]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

Differing opinion is fine, but if you follow closely like all of us here do you see it's the constant stating of that opinion, the ridiculous nitpicking and not giving any credit for his improved play, the changing of goal posts on what's acceptable and giving no win situations and excuses for when he does play well. I get wanting to wait and see before crowning him, but that isn't what's happening (at least not all that's happening).

Right now, today, Hurts has jumped lightyears in his play from last season. He's the current MVP favorite. Those are facts and undeniable, yet every game thread and in here all he does is say how that play was lucky, oh the WR was wide open, oh the defense stinks, etc etc. Never giving him an ounce of credit for the improved play. It's an extremely biased take, wanting to be right more than anything else, and apparently unable to enjoy the season because being right is the priority. It gets old pretty quick. I like the dude, just hate bad faith arguments and wearing blinders like this.

Going into the season, Hurts was my #1 question for this team doing well. I had the same doubts as DJax does, but I'm big enough to admit I was wrong and he has far surpassed my wildest expectations.

I dont like Hurts, I feel like he is a flash in the pan this year.

However, he is winning me over with his MVP play this season. If he brings home a Lombardi this season I will be his biggest fan and buy a jersey.

And that's how to have concerns with an open mind.