ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Ah, good call. He was part of the team in 2004, but Banner and Heckert were running things.was that him or Banner and Co.?
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2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (1 Viewer)
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DJackson10
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D the 2nd was traded to GB but ended up taking Nick Foles
B). NA I don't think we can say how good this was until we see what happens with the 1st and 3rd rounders. Who knows that pick could be traded for one next year etc.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Kind of putting this tweet out as it's interesting. This account apparently use to coach with the Eagles under Andy. Some speculate it might be brad Childress just based on some hints he's given over time but never confirmed.
@TheHonestNFL
I know more people that have expressed hatred for Howie Roseman than I do who have done the same for Trent Baalke, but I don’t see that same public outcry against Howie anymore. Give Trent the same opportunity to show his douchebaggery or prove he’s moved onto bigger things.
@TheHonestNFL
I know more people that have expressed hatred for Howie Roseman than I do who have done the same for Trent Baalke, but I don’t see that same public outcry against Howie anymore. Give Trent the same opportunity to show his douchebaggery or prove he’s moved onto bigger things.
babydemon90
Footballguy
I'd disagree, Missing on a 1st round pick doesn't weaken the trade that GOT you to the pick. Two different evaluations. No different then trade 'E' there (which isnt a NA oddly enough). Shouldn't that matter what happens with the 1st rounder next year?
DJackson10
Footballguy
I'm viewing the Smith one more in terms of the fact they got one of the top guys at their position for what they had. The guy would've had better numbers had there been better QB play. You could give it an NA but the Wentz trade isn't completed till that pick is made or we see what happens with it.
I mean we could go with what would you grade it as if now and go back and regrade it though.
DJackson10
Footballguy
USFL draft is tonight Philly has the 3rd pick Bryan Scott Philly QB
Houston team 2 picks later took former Eagles back up Training camp Legend Clayton Thorson btw
Interesting his photo is of him in action as an Eagle
35 rounds RDs and it will be a snake draft with each round being a different position 1st is QBs 2nd tonight through 4th is edge rushers. First 12 rounds tonight then 10AM tomorrow 13-35 is done. It will be a snake order so Philly has pick 3 and will draft 6th in the 2nd round. Should be interesting spring with some football for anyone who cares.
All games will be in Birmingham for the initial league year (Not sure why some believe because of pandemic and everyone not getting a stadium yet. The original stars team played at the Vet in the 80s and won 2 USFL titles. The initial league folded because of some orange man (can't remember his name) put the USFL in bankruptcy then tried suing the NFL.
Houston team 2 picks later took former Eagles back up Training camp Legend Clayton Thorson btw
Interesting his photo is of him in action as an Eagle
35 rounds RDs and it will be a snake draft with each round being a different position 1st is QBs 2nd tonight through 4th is edge rushers. First 12 rounds tonight then 10AM tomorrow 13-35 is done. It will be a snake order so Philly has pick 3 and will draft 6th in the 2nd round. Should be interesting spring with some football for anyone who cares.
All games will be in Birmingham for the initial league year (Not sure why some believe because of pandemic and everyone not getting a stadium yet. The original stars team played at the Vet in the 80s and won 2 USFL titles. The initial league folded because of some orange man (can't remember his name) put the USFL in bankruptcy then tried suing the NFL.
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Bigboy10182000
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That’s where I am with it currently. If Howie nails the pick and gets a star that deal would be his best of all time IMO. If it’s a Reagor the deal is a wash.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000 said:
Yep some people just want to grade stuff as is. With football theres been a few trades that weren't completed for a few yrs as picks kept on being traded down the line. For example the colts pick could very we be traded into next year for a 1st then and maybe another pick or 2 this year. Eagles traded the Colts 3rd rounder they got last year in the Dal deal to take DeVonta Smith Btw so technically that is part of the Wentz trade btw
DJackson10
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000 said:
speaking of Reagor I saw a FTW article on what the Steelers should do and 3 trades with the Eagles. One was for Minshew another for Dillard as they need some Oline help. the 3rd this was great Jalen Reagor explosive speed and playmaking ability. I have yet to see either from Reagor but if PITT wants to take him for a 3rd or something I'll help him pack his bags and pay for his plane ticket
DJackson10
Footballguy
Stars drafted former Eagles Training camp body Bud Howard as their TE. He was a WR at the time from UNC now a TE.
BoltBacker
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This isn't meant as a slam on Reagor at all(although I thought he was a curious choice at the time) but I would much rather have any WR PIT drafts in the third round more than Reagor. Somehow PIT has completely figured out how to scout college WR's. I don't see them needing to trade for one or even give a veteran deal to one of their own since they are so good at simply drafting a replacement on day 2 or day 3 of the draft.
jasvic
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babydemon90 said:
Exactly. If Wentz was traded for a 6th, everyone would be losing their minds. But if that 6th turned into Brady 2.0, then it was a good trade? Also I think too many people stress over "winning" a trade. Using the Wentz deal again, at the time it was a good deal for the Eagles, regardless of how well Wentz played this year or going forward. He wanted out, everyone knew he wanted out, still got a 1 and 3 for a guy coming off a terrible season when the team had no leverage. So good trade no matter what happens.
The Noid
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Look no further than the Bradford trade. It got us dumb-bell bust Derek Barnett and Josh Sweat. Getting a 1st and 4th for that stiff was a great trade even if Sweat turns into Barnett 2.0.
DJackson10
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Thats why I said it was funny plus the added part of speed and playmaking by Reagor
DJackson10
Footballguy
I got more confidence in Sweat turning it around then Barnett figuring it out. DB was good for a stupid penalty almost every game if you needed an Eagles prop bet that was gauranteed. Even if a few of those late in the year this year were questionable some of them were called by the letter of the law like it or not in NFL terms
DJackson10
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Per the NY Post our good Buddy Troy AIkman looks like he's bolting Fox for ESPN MNF. Speculation by some people AL Micheals might be joining him for MNF in a major shake up. Buck with a new partner after almost 2 decades with Troy would/ will be interesting to see who he's paired with.
Either way if Manning Cast continues I see more fans tuning in for the Manning Boys over the actual commentary crew for MNF.
Either way if Manning Cast continues I see more fans tuning in for the Manning Boys over the actual commentary crew for MNF.
dhockster
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And for all the dumb stuff Barnett did over the years, the fact that he forced a key fumble in the 2017 NFC championship game, and recovered a key fumble in the Super Bowl, makes that trade a win for the Eagles.
need2know
Footballguy
sadly he has made more of an impact than ALOT of our first round picks over the years
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
Barnett is an interesting case of what makes a "good" draft pick. He clearly belongs in the NFL, has performed OK but not great and is going to get a second contract from someone. The problem is he never really developed as much as anyone hoped and takes horrible, stupid penalties at bad times. Is that on the front office or the coaching staff?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Barnett is another example of why you just shouldn't go by a guys college performance. He belongs in the NFL but shouldn't have been a first rounder. If he was a 3rd or 4th rounder its an easier pill to swallow
DJackson10
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DJackson10
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Sheil Kapadia did a top 75 list of NFL FA's this offseason for The Athletic. I'll go through it when I have more time to list some of the names the Eagles could be interested or who I like out of the list for them.
need2know
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
The way his coaches and teammates visibly react when he does a Barnett tells me it’s him
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
What most within the league consider a good pick is one who starts, so he fits that description.Tom Hagen said:
He never lived up to his draft pick which is why I think most have a negative view of him. Had he been a 2nd or 3rd round pick I think everyone would feel ok about him.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
But that’s essentially two starting DE’s for a QB you didn’t want/need so that’s a win for sure.
If we end up with Marcus Smith (first round) and Jaylen Watkins (4th round) it’s arguably a loss.
The Noid
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I guess I look at the trades on their face because that's what is known at the time the deal is made. The realized future value (or lack thereof) can make a trade look better or worse, but the deal has to get done in the first place.
If I trade a paper clip for a Tesla, that's a "great" trade. If that Tesla bricks the next day (or I drive it into a tree) and I now have a 5,000 lb. paper weight I have to pay $300 to get towed away, it doesn't mean I didn't make a great trade by giving up a paper clip to get it.
My point with the Bradford trade was even if we drafted busts, or traded the picks away for other picks that didn't pan out, getting a 1 and a 4 for him was an objectively "great" trade. Gaining a 2022 1st Rounder to move back 6 spots with MIA last year was a really good trade even if we would have stayed at 12 (and taken Slater? Paye?)
Similar to salary cap moves: you can make "great" moves to maneuver within the cap and open up space. If you use it to sign busted old guys or headcases that ruin your team, you may be bad at talent evaluation but it doesn't take away from your cap skills and abilities. On the whole, yes, it's all a totality of evaluating a GM, but if we're just focusing on the ability to make a good trade, I think the evaluation should just be on the value of what you gave versus the value of what you got when the deal was done.
The Noid
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One more thought, and I think someone brought up something similar a couple days ago:
If we traded Devonta Smith tomorrow for a 7th round pick, that would be considered a "bad" trade by everyone. If that 7th rounder went on to become a 10-year pro bowler and Hall of Fame QB for us, it wouldn't re-write history and make the original trade "great", it would just mean there was a "great" decision made when using the pick that came from a very bad trade.
If we traded Devonta Smith tomorrow for a 7th round pick, that would be considered a "bad" trade by everyone. If that 7th rounder went on to become a 10-year pro bowler and Hall of Fame QB for us, it wouldn't re-write history and make the original trade "great", it would just mean there was a "great" decision made when using the pick that came from a very bad trade.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I think there’s more depth to it than that. I think what you’re saying is we got good VALUE at that time. I don’t disagree with that but I also think that’s just part of evaluating the entire deal. We can get good value at the the time and the trade can still end up bad after time. Using the below example the other team would have got good value at that time but over time it will have looked like a bad deal if Smith doesn’t have a good/great career.
The Wentz deal now appears to have been great from a value standpoint for us but we can’t see if it was a good trade until it’s complete.
Draft picks are similar. Top 10 picks are very valuable, however, you can’t judge the pick until you see who is picked and what they become.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
According to @TheHerd, over the last decade the QB with the highest % of his teams cap to actually win a SB is Stafford (‘21) at 12.6%. Behind him is Peyton at 11.7 and Eli at 11.6.
At est 208M cap in ‘22:
Wilson - 17.8%.
Rodgers (if he gets $50M) - 24%
Watson - 16.8%
At est 208M cap in ‘22:
Wilson - 17.8%.
Rodgers (if he gets $50M) - 24%
Watson - 16.8%
Birdie048
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Tom Hagen
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JetMaxx
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Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
according to Sportrac, top 3 would be Stafford, Brady (TB 2021) and Brady (NE 2018). The Manning brothers are right behind that. Bottom 3 would be Brady (2001), Russ (2013) and BDN (2017). That data only goes back to 2000, but since cap numbers are always changing, probably a good set of data. Wow, 2020 cap (198M) was more than 3x what it was in year 2000 (62M).
The Noid
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Shaping up to be "Russell Wilson Speculation Week", with a lot of comparisons to Wilson being the Eagles' version of a Harden deal and just straight up what-if scenarios.
My gut say Wilson doesn't wind up going anywhere and gets an "end my career with Seattle" extension. But, makes for a good debate in the meantime.
My gut say Wilson doesn't wind up going anywhere and gets an "end my career with Seattle" extension. But, makes for a good debate in the meantime.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
All comes down to cost. My breaking point is anything over 2 first round picks and Hurts.Shaping up to be "Russell Wilson Speculation Week", with a lot of comparisons to Wilson being the Eagles' version of a Harden deal and just straight up what-if scenarios.
My gut say Wilson doesn't wind up going anywhere and gets an "end my career with Seattle" extension. But, makes for a good debate in the meantime.
That would still leave us with a “normal” draft in terms of picks and it’s a big piece that’s filled. Still have to nail the draft though.
ProstheticRGK
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I've been resolute that what I think is best for the Eagles is to keep Hurts this year and see if there is any growth, try and trade one of the 1st Rounders this year for one next year, and evaluate going into 2023.Shaping up to be "Russell Wilson Speculation Week", with a lot of comparisons to Wilson being the Eagles' version of a Harden deal and just straight up what-if scenarios.
My gut say Wilson doesn't wind up going anywhere and gets an "end my career with Seattle" extension. But, makes for a good debate in the meantime.
Kempski's article makes a good case for Russ, though. Probably the best article of his I've ever read (and I like him). I wouldn't be heart broken if we did end up trading for Russ, at a fair price. Now, I'm at 60/40 in favor of keeping hurts, instead of 80/20.
Deranged Hermit
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That's pretty much where I am too.. My biggest fear is the contract he'll inevitably want for 'allowing ' himself to be dealt. That's going to be really expensive when you take both the picks and contract into consideration.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000 said:
I'm not doing any deal for Wilson honestly. I know people think he's elite but he hasn't won anything since the Legion of Boom and Lynch was there. Puts up good numbers but thats about it. SB was literally over and game won by SEA before Russ even put his mark on the game.
Don't get me wrong I like Wilson as a person but I think he's incredible overrated as a QB by some for a guy who hasn't won anything in years. He's also older now. He's also had the benefit of playing in a weak NFC West outside of the occasional 49ers run for yrs. Now that is looks like LAR is legit again SEA has struggled. The Eagles also aren't "a QB away from being a serious contender.
Also put me in the NO Section for Kyler Murray. Dude seems to be very immature and that guy would get eaten alive in Philly. He's also smaller then Wilson and I think the League is figuring him out
Bigboy10182000
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Yeah I don’t expect there to be a deal at all if I’m being honest.
I get the sense that they’re comfortable with Hurts too for next season. Hoping they can add someone with potential in the 3rd and keep them behind Hurts and Minshew.
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Season Ticket Invoices are out and we're all getting hit with the "made the playoffs" tax! All seats increased from $90 (upper level endzone) to $295 (lower level midfield) for the 10 games.
Upper endzones were $55/game when The Linc opened in 2003, now they are $104. Lower midfield went from $70/game in 2003 to $224.50 in 2022!
Upper endzones were $55/game when The Linc opened in 2003, now they are $104. Lower midfield went from $70/game in 2003 to $224.50 in 2022!
The Noid
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We now know one of our 3 preseason opponents, @CLE, with reports of the Eagles agreeing to a week of joint practices with them.
With only 3 preseason games, and NYJ always our last one, that leaves just one more team to find out about.
Complete schedule release, as a reminder, will likely be 2nd week of May.
With only 3 preseason games, and NYJ always our last one, that leaves just one more team to find out about.
Complete schedule release, as a reminder, will likely be 2nd week of May.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Before this year, he never had a losing season, right? Double digit wins almost every year? 104-53 in his career? But "hasn't won anything"?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He’s been rock solid and prior to being injured last season he was putting up elite numbers in the years prior.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Having a difficult time buying the narrative that the Seahawks are going to move Russ. Pete Carroll will be 71 at the start of the season, hard to believe he has the time or patience for a rebuild of the magnitude implied by trading his starting QB.
DJackson10
Footballguy
If a QB is getting traded I see it being Minshew possible. I can see them taking a chance on a QB who might drop and they like but from what I've heard is they are comfortable for Hurts for this season and would love to accumulate a 1st rounder in 23 from one of the 3 1s this year. I can see Howie doing a a lot of wheeling and dealing to acquire assets as well for next years draft in 23 to possible move up and take a QB all while continuing to build the roster for the current year.
Hurts played well enough where they aren't desperate to rid of him and he's cheap and a good teammate. If he's dealt it'll be after this upcoming season.
DJackson10
Footballguy
He's played in a weak division for yrs. Won 1 SB but the game was over before he even contributed after Den choked. Percy Harvin also had a KO Return for a TD. I think the score was 17-3 or something before Russ threw his first TD in the 3rd QTR. I'm not saying he's terrible but he's 9-7 in his career come playoff time. 5-6 in the playoffs since Winning the SB NINE YRS AGO.
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