2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (6 Viewers)

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Howie turned JJAW and a 5th into a starting S/CB and a 7th. Good times!

JJAW cut by Seahawks

 

[Ash]

Pressure is now squarely on Gannon for defensive performance this year. Last year I think we had average tier personnel and the results were below average. This year there are no holes and the talent is Top 10-12. Very good players across the board, just missing 1-2 elite tier players like Cox used to be.

If the results don’t match this year, there’s nowhere else to look.

Now, if they *do* perform according to the talent level, we’re going to have a fun year.

 

[Insein]

Reagor makes it through to the 53…for now.

Word is they wouldn’t budge from wanting a 5th rounder in return.

Costs cap space to cut him.

 

[The Noid]

Reagor makes it through to the 53…for now.

Word is they wouldn’t budge from wanting a 5th rounder in return.

Costs cap space to cut him.

Yep, but cap relief ($1.8M I think) by trading him. I would rather get him off the books and a 6th than watch him take punts 5 yards sideways for no gain!

 

[The Noid]

Pressure is now squarely on Gannon for defensive performance this year.

I have been beating this drum since Free Agency and the draft. Gannon is just as under the microscope as Hurts this season.

 

[DJackson10]

Saints really wanted to get rid of him apparently. Could have gotten a 3rd or 4th comp pick for keeping him one year and letting him walk, so there must be some reason they jettisoned him a year earlier for less compensation.

Where are you seeing that. Per Saints reporters they seemed more like they weren't resigning him as they got cap issues and wanted something for him instead of letting him go for free

They don't have cap issues at all at this point. He wanted to be paid like Marshon Lattimore. He is an outstanding nickel. He is far from a top CB in the league. He does have that swagger you want on the team, but Saints have plenty of depth.

He's more of a Safety then CB so he wanted to be paid.

Yet he couldn’t beat out Malcom Jenkins or Marcus Maye

He's been more of their Nickel guy then Safety. The Eagles give him more of an opportunity at that. I don't know why but he should've been playing safety most of the time over Jenkins. Saints were shoehorning him like Teams are trying to do with the Travis Kelce TE types who want WR $$$

 

[DJackson10]

Yet he couldn’t beat out Malcom Jenkins or Marcus Maye

CJGJ wasn't in competition for a starting spot with either of them (well, maybe Jenkins in pre-season 2019). Gardner-Johnson has been the starting nickel/slot CB in the Saints' base 4-2-5 defense. He was also good in run defense, lining up in the box in traditional rushing-down situations.

That is one thing the Eagles do need to think about, though -- what role do they want CJGJ to fill. He might be able to walk right in and start as a traditional SS or FS ... but the Saints have never asked him to do that for more than a few plays here and there. He excelled in his slot/nickel/rover role in the Saints' base. Let's see how that translates to another team's scheme. I'm sure the Saints aren't the only team to run a 5-DB base ... don't know if the Eagles do or not.

Eagles system is similar to what he played at Florida under Todd Grantham. He's starting at safety. Also gone are the days of FS/SS as most of these guys can also play CB now. He fits in perfectly what the Eagles play. Those focusing on Chauncey Gardner-Johnson aligning in the slot pre-snap relative to aligning as safety should be looking at the context of it over the stat. The Saints took advantage of his advanced processing ability similar to how Schwartz did for Malcolm Jenkins. You need to look more at his College film on how he'll fit then what he did with the Saints.

 

[Ash]

Coverage wise Gannon mostly seems to use Quarters and Quarter-Quarter-Half, with some man sprinkled in occasionally. It seems a lot like the role of the Nickel CB and the weak inside DB are similar. I think at times they switch assignments in response to motion too, but hard to be 100% sure. I think that's one of the reasons they have toyed with guys like Josiah Scott at both nickel and S. To me it looks like those 3 roles are close to interchangeable.

 

[babydemon90]

Pressure is now squarely on Gannon for defensive performance this year.

I have been beating this drum since Free Agency and the draft. Gannon is just as under the microscope as Hurts this season.

I mean let's not forget it was downright brutal unless we were playing a squad with a JV QB. Every half-decent QB was completing career high passes against us.

 

[JAA]

Pressure is now squarely on Gannon for defensive performance this year. Last year I think we had average tier personnel and the results were below average. This year there are no holes and the talent is Top 10-12. Very good players across the board, just missing 1-2 elite tier players like Cox used to be.

If the results don’t match this year, there’s nowhere else to look.

Now, if they *do* perform according to the talent level, we’re going to have a fun year.

this

We have gotten better on paper at just about every position, especially on the defense. Heck, we even drafted a LB!?!??!

 

[JAA]

Coverage wise Gannon mostly seems to use Quarters and Quarter-Quarter-Half, with some man sprinkled in occasionally. It seems a lot like the role of the Nickel CB and the weak inside DB are similar. I think at times they switch assignments in response to motion too, but hard to be 100% sure. I think that's one of the reasons they have toyed with guys like Josiah Scott at both nickel and S. To me it looks like those 3 roles are close to interchangeable.

Need to give the opposing QB less pre-snap reads based on who is on the field

 

[The Noid]

I mean let's not forget it was downright brutal unless we were playing a squad with a JV QB. Every half-decent QB was completing career high passes against us.

Right, and the refrain from the Gannon believers was that it was the best he could do with the talent he had. IMO, he still underperformed/underwhelmed last season. Just seemed he would rather stick with his schemes and plans instead of trying to maximize the talent and skill of the players he had. The results of that approach speak for themselves.

Well, there's no excuse now for us to not see the defensive mind we keep hearing about and gets him in the possible head coach conversations. He's got better players AND players that specifically fit his concepts. Hurts has a "full year" under his belt and the same coaching staff as last season, so it's widely expected that he show significant progress this season. Same goes for Gannon and the Defense.

 

[The Noid]

OTC has the team about $185k over the cap, with the expected practice squad signings upcoming.

Might see a re-done contract or two, or extensions, that kick the can down the road to open up some room.

 

[Insein]

There it is. Reagor to the Vikings.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1565038856256225280?t=xKENUhqXqHqtKwbe05Jtxg&s=19

 

[Deamon]

There it is. Reagor to the Vikings.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1565038856256225280?t=xKENUhqXqHqtKwbe05Jtxg&s=19

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAhAHHAH OMG NO

 

[Deamon]

JJAW being sent to SEA (and DK) was one thing. But, Reagor going to MIN (and Jefferson) would just be diabolical.

HAHAHAHA Did you have intel on this or was just this the most hilarious landing spot you could make up?

 

[Deamon]

He goes from living in Jefferson's shadow, to literally living in Jefferson's shadow.

 

[The Noid]

JJAW being sent to SEA (and DK) was one thing. But, Reagor going to MIN (and Jefferson) would just be diabolical.

Dang, Howie actually did it.

 

[Deamon]

Howie is such a savage to send him there. I bet he had better offers but just really wanted to do this.

 

[Insein]

Howie is such a savage to send him there. I bet he had better offers but just really wanted to do this.

I can believe that.

 

[The Noid]

JJAW being sent to SEA (and DK) was one thing. But, Reagor going to MIN (and Jefferson) would just be diabolical.

HAHAHAHA Did you have intel on this or was just this the most hilarious landing spot you could make up?

There was a solid-sourced report yesterday that MIN was engaged in talks for him.

 

[Deamon]

Eagles are sending Jalen Reagor to the Vikings in exchange for a 2023 7th-round pick and a 2024 conditional 4th-round pick

 

[Deamon]

Don't like that it's conditional pick because I don't want to cheer for him really. And he probably won't hit those conditions.

 

[The Noid]

OTC has the team about $185k over the cap, with the expected practice squad signings upcoming.

Might see a re-done contract or two, or extensions, that kick the can down the road to open up some room.

Reagor trade gives them some cap breathing room, for now.

 

[Deamon]

Eagles are sending WR Jalen Reagor to the Minnesota Vikings in exchange for a 2023 7th-round pick and a 2024 conditional 4th-round pick that would deescalate to a 5th-round pick if certain statistical marks are not met, sources tell ESPN

So a 2024 5th.

 

[The Noid]

Don't like that it's conditional pick because I don't want to cheer for him really. And he probably won't hit those conditions.

Yeah, the report was talks broke down yesterday because Eagles wouldn’t budge from a 5th. Vikings played chicken to see if the Eagles would flinch because they didn’t want to keep him on the 53 and cut someone else, but they did.

So the fact that they might actually get a 4th (but likely won’t because, you know, he’s Reagor) and a 7th thrown in is a big win.

 

[babydemon90]

Don't like that it's conditional pick because I don't want to cheer for him really. And he probably won't hit those conditions.

I think I read the conditional would then drop it to a 5th, so not really a factor either way.
Still brutal. But hey at least we didnt cut him like Raiders did their 2021 1st rounder.

 

[Deamon]

Don't like that it's conditional pick because I don't want to cheer for him really. And he probably won't hit those conditions.

I think I read the conditional would then drop it to a 5th, so not really a factor either way.
Still brutal. But hey at least we didnt cut him like Raiders did their 2021 1st rounder.

It does hurt for sure, but I'm happy that Howie can at least admit his mistake and move on from him and not try to make it a pride thing.

 

[Deamon]

Do we really only have 4 WR's right now?

Brown
Smith
Quez
Pascal

Who else?

How Howie would it be to go sign JJAW for the minimum now lol

 

[Deamon]

CGJ for JJAW + Reagor

 

[Insein]

Do we really only have 4 WR's right now?

Brown
Smith
Quez
Pascal

Who else?

How Howie would it be to go sign JJAW for the minimum now lol

I can see them bringing back Allen or Covey to return punts. Can also see them using the spot on bringing back Tartt. So who knows.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Howie is such a savage to send him there. I bet he had better offers but just really wanted to do this.

Yeah, right lol

Howie broke his arm reaching for him in the draft. It’s not Jalen’s fault Howie drafted him over Jefferson

 

[need2know]

very happy hes gone.

 

[Insein]

very happy hes gone.

Not really happy. Just relieved he's gone. Agholar, JJAW, Reagor. Mistakes were made and now they've been corrected.

 

[Demian]

Who's trolling who here though? The Vikings have an argument that they got both receivers in that draft slot for the price of one.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Do we really only have 4 WR's right now?

Brown
Smith
Quez
Pascal

Who else?

How Howie would it be to go sign JJAW for the minimum now lol

Cain and Covey were signed to PS, so maybe one of them comes back up

and Allen

 

[Deamon]

Who's trolling who here though? The Vikings have an argument that they got both receivers in that draft slot for the price of one.

Guess we'll find out after this year.

 

[Saint]

I feel like we need a title change from this info. Frankly, this made my day. No more stressing on punt returns. Ironically, I also feel the need to go to the Vikings thread and post a thank you.

 

[Deamon]

I feel like we need a title change from this info. Frankly, this made my day. No more stressing on punt returns. Ironically, I also feel the need to go to the Vikings thread and post a thank you.

Yep. Just nothing about Reagor's mother and you should be good @The Noid

 

[Tom Hagen]

I feel like we need a title change from this info. Frankly, this made my day. No more stressing on punt returns. Ironically, I also feel the need to go to the Vikings thread and post a thank you.

I have nothing against Reagor and hope he does well, but Vikings fans on Twitter convinced they have solved their punt return problems is hilarious.

 

[Insein]

Eagles sign QB Ian Book and waive LB Davian Taylor.

https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/1565060644109434881?t=n1wCrG8XBaxAlpoRJjQ1XQ&s=19

 

[Saint]

For sentimental purposes, here is a link from our draft reactions in 2020: https://forums.footballguys.com/thr...st-100-years-doug-pederson-pla.783255/page-21

No one in our group was happy about that move. I remember screaming at the TV to take Jefferson.

 

[Terpman22]

Nice to see us get that much for Reagor.
Deon Cain will be the WR5 IMO.
Howie is the best Player trader in NFL history - not sure who is 2nd, but Howie Roseman is clearly "THE" guy you talk to if you want action in the NFL.

 

[DJackson10]

Do we really only have 4 WR's right now?

Brown
Smith
Quez
Pascal

Who else?

How Howie would it be to go sign JJAW for the minimum now lol

I can see them bringing back Allen or Covey to return punts. Can also see them using the spot on bringing back Tartt. So who knows.

Cover and Allen made it to the PS

 

[LawFitz]

Raiders cut Keelan Cole due to a roster crunch. He's a solid depth WR that you guys could swoop for free. Would make the Reagor trade look even better... Like something we all do to our unsuspecting leaguemates when we free up a roster spot with a 2-for-1 fantasy trade, then hit the wire with the quickness.

 

[Deamon]

For sentimental purposes, here is a link from our draft reactions in 2020: https://forums.footballguys.com/thr...st-100-years-doug-pederson-pla.783255/page-21

No one in our group was happy about that move. I remember screaming at the TV to take Jefferson.

Some hilarious stuff in here haha.

 

[Deamon]

its touch between mckinnie and jefferson

Take the safety and get Reagor or Mims in the second

If you want Reagor, trade down. If you think Jefferson is as good as Lamb do it. Otherwise, get assets.

Trade down.

Nah, take the best Safety. Grab a wr or two in the next two rounds

Ooooof.

Why does this feel like Jordan Mathews 2.0

I think we would have loved him to be Jordan Matthews 2.0

 

[DJackson10]

So are people just going to forget we just gave up a 1st rounder next year in the deal too or was that a mistake by NFL.com when I saw it on my phone?

 

[DJackson10]

Raiders cut Keelan Cole due to a roster crunch. He's a solid depth WR that you guys could swoop for free. Would make the Reagor trade look even better... Like something we all do to our unsuspecting leaguemates when we free up a roster spot with a 2-for-1 fantasy trade, then hit the wire with the quickness.

Bowden JR was also cut. I think MIA said he had attitude issues first year but injuries as well. However he can play WR/RB/QB/TE and return kicks I believe. Maybe its just me but I love having a guy like that around on my roster

 

[need2know]

So are people just going to forget we just gave up a 1st rounder next year in the deal too or was that a mistake by NFL.com when I saw it on my phone?

You read it wrong