2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (5 Viewers)

[Yo Mama]

Embiid throwing out an "in Philly or somewhere else" line regarding winning a championship hopefully puts the team on notice of how important this season is.

Dame, Jimmy, Embiid is going to be epic in Miami.

What about Bam? You know the Heat would refuse to include Bam in any deal for Embiid.

Bam's great and all, but depending on the details it would take to make that happen...no way I would hesitate to take Embiid over Bam.

Embiid is an MVP candidate. Bam is a borderline all-star.

I was just joking about what the Heat is reportedly putting on the table for Lillard and who they’re not willing to trade. Sixers should be happy with Jovic plus Robinson and a 2030 swap for Embiid.

Do you know when the new rules kick in? Are they restricted to only taking 110% back being over the first apron?

New CBA is already in effect, but a few of the harsher penalties will be implemented for the 24-25 season. I believe the salary matching rules are in place for the 23-24 season.

 

[General Malaise]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey. Heat seem to think Herro and some pick swaps for Dame and Nurk should be more than enough to get a deal done.

It begs the question - why not just keep Herro and win the Championship with him?

 

[General Malaise]

Have to wonder if Giannis didn't get hurt if we're even having these conversations.....

 

[scoobus]

Suns need a guard who can handle the ball...

Dion Waiters is planning his NBA comeback...

 

[Tau837]

The modern NBA PG isn't so much needed to bring the ball up the floor as much as get the team into the proper set and initiate the offense. That's where guys like LeBron, Jokic, Doncic, etc. have thrived as point-forward/point-center type players. The guy that gets the offensive moving effectively from the middle of the floor.

The Suns have no one to do that. You have 3 guys to get the ball to and are elite at scoring/finishing the offense, but no one to tell Booker to clear out for Durant and get him the ball in his spot and vice versa. And now they have a new coach as well.

Suns are not getting out of the West as currently constructed.

I respectfully disagree. IMO Booker could easily do this full-time if the team decided to make it his role. Same for Durant, if the coaching staff made it a point of emphasis, I think he could do it just fine. Beal, I'm less sure about, so I get the concern.

 

[the moops]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

 

[the moops]

Suns may in fact need a PG, but Cam Payne is no better an initiator and floor general than any of Booker, Beal, or Durant

 

[msudaisy26]

Have to wonder if Giannis didn't get hurt if we're even having these conversations.....

The only game the Bucks won was without Giannis. So it is very difficult to tell if it would have made a difference.

 

[General Malaise]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

 

[General Malaise]

Have to wonder if Giannis didn't get hurt if we're even having these conversations.....

The only game the Bucks won was without Giannis. So it is very difficult to tell if it would have made a difference.

Right, I'm of a mind that Giannis at 100% makes a difference in the outcome of that series.

 

[Capella]

Have to wonder if Giannis didn't get hurt if we're even having these conversations.....

The only game the Bucks won was without Giannis. So it is very difficult to tell if it would have made a difference.

I do not think it is very difficult to say that Giannis would have made a difference.

 

[msudaisy26]

Have to wonder if Giannis didn't get hurt if we're even having these conversations.....

The only game the Bucks won was without Giannis. So it is very difficult to tell if it would have made a difference.

I do not think it is very difficult to say that Giannis would have made a difference.

I agree it wouldn't have been a 5 game series, but Butler was on fire the first two and half rounds of the playoffs. Miami might have still won that series.

 

[mr. furley]

Have to wonder if Giannis didn't get hurt if we're even having these conversations.....

The only game the Bucks won was without Giannis. So it is very difficult to tell if it would have made a difference.

i've read some sizzling hot takes in NBA threads over the years here but this one might well be hotter than the Centralia fire

 

[Mister CIA]

Suns may in fact need a PG, but Cam Payne is no better an initiator and floor general than any of Booker, Beal, or Durant

Welcome to the Spurs, Cam Payne.

for now.

Not authoritative, but I think the Spurs have $25M-ish handy in the expiring contracts of Cedi, Bullock, and Payne. I'll bet $5 that two of these three end up on the Heat roster. Spurs maybe eat Lowry's $29M contract (and gain an asset or two) as part of a multi-team deal.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Suns may in fact need a PG, but Cam Payne is no better an initiator and floor general than any of Booker, Beal, or Durant

Welcome to the Spurs, Cam Payne.

for now.

Not authoritative, but I think the Spurs have $25M-ish handy in the expiring contracts of Cedi, Bullock, and Payne. I'll bet $5 that two of these three end up on the Heat roster. Spurs maybe eat Lowry's $29M contract (and gain an asset or two) as part of a multi-team deal.

Do you mean just because the heat would value breaking it up into 3 players? Because Lowry is expiring also

 

[Capella]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

 

[thecatch]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

 

[the moops]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Keep who?

 

[Navin Johnson]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because shipping him for Dame may put them over the top?

 

[General Malaise]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because shipping him for Dame may put them over the top?

Shipping him and what for Dame?

 

[Major]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

Yep. Teams weren't meeting his asking price. He has this distorted reality that he's still playing at a 2017-18 level.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because shipping him for Dame may put them over the top?

Shipping him and what for Dame?

I don't know. That was the context of the comparison, which had greater trade value. You asked why they wouldn't just keep him

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

Yep. Teams weren't meeting his asking price. He has this distorted reality that he's still playing at a 2017-18 level.

Or he thought the Sixers were giving him a certain deal and they backed away too late in the process and there was an opt-in deadline and he wanted to guarantee his money.

 

[Jayrod]

The modern NBA PG isn't so much needed to bring the ball up the floor as much as get the team into the proper set and initiate the offense. That's where guys like LeBron, Jokic, Doncic, etc. have thrived as point-forward/point-center type players. The guy that gets the offensive moving effectively from the middle of the floor.

The Suns have no one to do that. You have 3 guys to get the ball to and are elite at scoring/finishing the offense, but no one to tell Booker to clear out for Durant and get him the ball in his spot and vice versa. And now they have a new coach as well.

Suns are not getting out of the West as currently constructed.

I respectfully disagree. IMO Booker could easily do this full-time if the team decided to make it his role. Same for Durant, if the coaching staff made it a point of emphasis, I think he could do it just fine. Beal, I'm less sure about, so I get the concern.

I don't think I've watched enough of Booker to know if he could do it or not. I get the sense he is like Tatum in that the skill sets are there, but they are too focused on getting points to truly run a team like a Jokic or LeBron. Again, I haven't seen enough to know Booker's game one way or the other on that.

Durant could definitely be that guy. But is that the best use of him? He is still the best in the league at getting a bucket when you need one. Taking that role away to become the primary initiator of the offense seems like one step forward, two steps back.

I don't like taking either one of them out of what they do best...but Beal doesn't seem to be the answer either. Vogel has his work cut out for him.

 

[Capella]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

But opting in was just for one year. What did he think was going to happen? I guess I don’t understand it.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

But opting in was not not for one year. What did he think was going to happen? I guess I don’t understand it.

I assumed he wanted to opt-in, get traded, and sign an extension with the Clippers. Similar to Porziņģis but for more money. But I haven’t been following this super closely.

 

[Kev4029]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

But opting in was not not for one year. What did he think was going to happen? I guess I don’t understand it.

I assumed he wanted to opt-in, get traded, and sign an extension with the Clippers. Similar to Porziņģis but for more money. But I haven’t been following this super closely.

He can't sign an extension because he signed a 2 year deal last summer and a player needs to be two years removed from signing their contract (on a 3 or 4 year deal).

It was a weird choice by Harden.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

But opting in was not not for one year. What did he think was going to happen? I guess I don’t understand it.

I assumed he wanted to opt-in, get traded, and sign an extension with the Clippers. Similar to Porziņģis but for more money. But I haven’t been following this super closely.

He can't sign an extension because he signed a 2 year deal last summer and a player needs to be two years removed from signing their contract (on a 3 or 4 year deal).

It was a weird choice by Harden.

In that case, he should have signed with Houston and demand a trade at the earliest opportunity.

 

[Capella]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

But opting in was not not for one year. What did he think was going to happen? I guess I don’t understand it.

I assumed he wanted to opt-in, get traded, and sign an extension with the Clippers. Similar to Porziņģis but for more money. But I haven’t been following this super closely.

He can't sign an extension because he signed a 2 year deal last summer and a player needs to be two years removed from signing their contract (on a 3 or 4 year deal).

It was a weird choice by Harden.

In that case, he should have signed with Houston and demand a trade at the earliest opportunity.

Could LA have just not signed him? If they can take him onto their cap via a trade couldn’t they have dumped some salary on some team for some future picks?

 

[thecatch]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

But opting in was not not for one year. What did he think was going to happen? I guess I don’t understand it.

I assumed he wanted to opt-in, get traded, and sign an extension with the Clippers. Similar to Porziņģis but for more money. But I haven’t been following this super closely.

He can't sign an extension because he signed a 2 year deal last summer and a player needs to be two years removed from signing their contract (on a 3 or 4 year deal).

It was a weird choice by Harden.

In that case, he should have signed with Houston and demand a trade at the earliest opportunity.

Could LA have just not signed him? If they can take him onto their cap via a trade couldn’t they have dumped some salary on some team for some future picks?

I think the Clippers would be hard capped if they did a sign-and-trade (if they can even do a sign and trade? I'm not sure what the rules are anymore).

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Somebody walk me through this harden thing, I haven’t paid much attention. If he wanted to go to the Clippers so bad why did he opt-in? Just to lock down his option salary? Wouldn’t he have been fine signing a 3 year deal with whomever?

He wants to get paid more than he really wants to play for the Clippers.

But opting in was not not for one year. What did he think was going to happen? I guess I don’t understand it.

I assumed he wanted to opt-in, get traded, and sign an extension with the Clippers. Similar to Porziņģis but for more money. But I haven’t been following this super closely.

He can't sign an extension because he signed a 2 year deal last summer and a player needs to be two years removed from signing their contract (on a 3 or 4 year deal).

It was a weird choice by Harden.

In that case, he should have signed with Houston and demand a trade at the earliest opportunity.

Could LA have just not signed him? If they can take him onto their cap via a trade couldn’t they have dumped some salary on some team for some future picks?

They could not have signed him for anything more than the minimum because they are way over the cap. You can take any amount in trade as long as you send out the equivalent amount even if you are over the cap (with a few limitations and more of them coming in the new CBA).

Harden either expected the sixers to just give him a huge long term contract after he did the 1+1 or have some other team step up and give him that contract. Whether he realized it or not, Houston was the only realistic option, so when they pivoted away from him and the sixers didn’t make an offer, he was kind of stuck.

I don’t think that the clippers can do a sign and trade with a new deal for harden, or at least it would be really disadvantageous (is that a word?), i.e. bad, so I don’t think that was a realistic option.

At that point, harden basically had to either opt in for his $35 mill for 1 year or maybe getting the MLE ($13 mill per year), so his best play seemed to be to opt in and try to get traded to a new team that would extend him.

 

[Capella]

@Long Ball Larry thanks. That makes sense.

 

[the moops]

@Frostillicus

MIN gets James Harden, Quentin Grimes, Evan Fournier, some picks that I can't figure out

NYK gets Karl Anthony Towns, De'Anthony Melton, Dwayne Dedmon

PHI gets Mike Conley, RJ Barrett

 

[Gatorman]

Embiid throwing out an "in Philly or somewhere else" line regarding winning a championship hopefully puts the team on notice of how important this season is.

Dame, Jimmy, Embiid is going to be epic in Miami.

What about Bam? You know the Heat would refuse to include Bam in any deal for Embiid.

Bam's great and all, but depending on the details it would take to make that happen...no way I would hesitate to take Embiid over Bam.

Embiid is an MVP candidate. Bam is a borderline all-star.

Again, Obviously if Embiid was on the table Bam would be the piece Miami would send, and make no mistake, Miami loves Bam, but this is Embiid. Miami Loves Herro, but Dame is Dame. Miami Loved Brian Grant, Lamar Odom, and Caron Butler but Shaq became available...

 

[Gatorman]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because Dame is better than Herro. Dan basically said that Woj was carrying water for Portland in his "reporting" (Dan is carrying the Heat water here with his response. I know that). The Basics is Maxey is being floated as "philly's offer" and Dan's response was: Maxey isn't better than herro, hes just darker than Herro.

Being as unbiased as I can be here: Maxey and Herro are similar players. Maxey gets the nod on D while Herro is more of an offensive force. Herro getting hurt dring the playoff run and Dame becoming available are the only reasons Miami is interested here bc if they could keep Herro, Bam, and Jimmy and add Dame and not pay a ridiculous tax they would. The only Miami contracts that the Heat "regret" are Lowry and Duncan.

 

[the moops]

Maxey gets the nod on D while Herro is more of an offensive force

Both those guys are absolute turnstiles on defense. There is no nods in either direction defensively

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Dan's response was: Maxey isn't better than herro, hes just darker than Herro.

 

[dickey moe]

Dan LeBetard

I'd rather listen to that dork's dad provide takes.

 

[General Malaise]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because shipping him for Dame may put them over the top?

Shipping him and what for Dame?

I don't know. That was the context of the comparison, which had greater trade value. You asked why they wouldn't just keep him

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because Dame is better than Herro. Dan basically said that Woj was carrying water for Portland in his "reporting" (Dan is carrying the Heat water here with his response. I know that). The Basics is Maxey is being floated as "philly's offer" and Dan's response was: Maxey isn't better than herro, hes just darker than Herro.

Being as unbiased as I can be here: Maxey and Herro are similar players. Maxey gets the nod on D while Herro is more of an offensive force. Herro getting hurt dring the playoff run and Dame becoming available are the only reasons Miami is interested here bc if they could keep Herro, Bam, and Jimmy and add Dame and not pay a ridiculous tax they would. The only Miami contracts that the Heat "regret" are Lowry and Duncan.

And around and around and around we go.

Forget Dame for a second - if Miami were to trade Herro to another team for a draft pick or picks, what do you think teams would offer? Non-protected first? First and a second?

To me (and others in Portland) it certainly feels like Miami is trying like hell to inflate Herro's value. Which is fine, I get it, but is the rest of the NBA buying that?

 

[Kiddnets]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because shipping him for Dame may put them over the top?

Shipping him and what for Dame?

I don't know. That was the context of the comparison, which had greater trade value. You asked why they wouldn't just keep him

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because Dame is better than Herro. Dan basically said that Woj was carrying water for Portland in his "reporting" (Dan is carrying the Heat water here with his response. I know that). The Basics is Maxey is being floated as "philly's offer" and Dan's response was: Maxey isn't better than herro, hes just darker than Herro.

Being as unbiased as I can be here: Maxey and Herro are similar players. Maxey gets the nod on D while Herro is more of an offensive force. Herro getting hurt dring the playoff run and Dame becoming available are the only reasons Miami is interested here bc if they could keep Herro, Bam, and Jimmy and add Dame and not pay a ridiculous tax they would. The only Miami contracts that the Heat "regret" are Lowry and Duncan.

And around and around and around we go.

Forget Dame for a second - if Miami were to trade Herro to another team for a draft pick or picks, what do you think teams would offer? Non-protected first? First and a second?

To me (and others in Portland) it certainly feels like Miami is trying like hell to inflate Herro's value. Which is fine, I get it, but is the rest of the NBA buying that?

Nets have a ton of picks and I read they want compensation to take on Herro not give up anything - contract is bad - not a good sign for Miami.

 

[General Malaise]

Settle in for 6 weeks of this because nothing gets done in August and July is nearing its end.

 

[msudaisy26]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because shipping him for Dame may put them over the top?

Shipping him and what for Dame?

I don't know. That was the context of the comparison, which had greater trade value. You asked why they wouldn't just keep him

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because Dame is better than Herro. Dan basically said that Woj was carrying water for Portland in his "reporting" (Dan is carrying the Heat water here with his response. I know that). The Basics is Maxey is being floated as "philly's offer" and Dan's response was: Maxey isn't better than herro, hes just darker than Herro.

Being as unbiased as I can be here: Maxey and Herro are similar players. Maxey gets the nod on D while Herro is more of an offensive force. Herro getting hurt dring the playoff run and Dame becoming available are the only reasons Miami is interested here bc if they could keep Herro, Bam, and Jimmy and add Dame and not pay a ridiculous tax they would. The only Miami contracts that the Heat "regret" are Lowry and Duncan.

And around and around and around we go.

Forget Dame for a second - if Miami were to trade Herro to another team for a draft pick or picks, what do you think teams would offer? Non-protected first? First and a second?

To me (and others in Portland) it certainly feels like Miami is trying like hell to inflate Herro's value. Which is fine, I get it, but is the rest of the NBA buying that?

It depends on the situation, but for the Blazers he is a negative for them. He makes waaaay too much money, doesn't fit their timeline and his contract is last too long. In reality the Heat would have to add an asset for the Blazers to take him.

If Miami wanted to staight salary dump him they would have to add a decent asset to get rid of him.

Herro is worth more to Miami than anyone else, by a lot. Herro has a little value to a few teams that are competing and have a couple expiring contracts they could unload. Think of teams like the Mavs, Clippers, T Wolves. Although I don't know if any of those teams have those type of contracts to deal.

 

[Gatorman]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because shipping him for Dame may put them over the top?

Shipping him and what for Dame?

I don't know. That was the context of the comparison, which had greater trade value. You asked why they wouldn't just keep him

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because Dame is better than Herro. Dan basically said that Woj was carrying water for Portland in his "reporting" (Dan is carrying the Heat water here with his response. I know that). The Basics is Maxey is being floated as "philly's offer" and Dan's response was: Maxey isn't better than herro, hes just darker than Herro.

Being as unbiased as I can be here: Maxey and Herro are similar players. Maxey gets the nod on D while Herro is more of an offensive force. Herro getting hurt dring the playoff run and Dame becoming available are the only reasons Miami is interested here bc if they could keep Herro, Bam, and Jimmy and add Dame and not pay a ridiculous tax they would. The only Miami contracts that the Heat "regret" are Lowry and Duncan.

And around and around and around we go.

Forget Dame for a second - if Miami were to trade Herro to another team for a draft pick or picks, what do you think teams would offer? Non-protected first? First and a second?

To me (and others in Portland) it certainly feels like Miami is trying like hell to inflate Herro's value. Which is fine, I get it, but is the rest of the NBA buying that?

More than one team has offerred a first for Herro, not the other way around. Problem is that things get "complicated" in the salary stuff bc teams have to send matching salaries and the like and it becomes tax issues for Miami (The Brooklyn "third team" proposed deal had that hangup with Simmons then being added to the mix).

A 24 year old 20 point scorer with a handle who can create his own shot and has range beyond the three point line is no longer valuable in the NBA? He is a former 6th man of the year and had the highest FG percentage in the 4th quarter last year. If it wasn't Dame (and if Miami didn't go deep in the playoffs without him) Miami would likely want to keep him.

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

 

[Yo Mama]

Ok let’s do this:

Heat get - Lillard, Nurkic, Covington
Clippers get - Harden
Sixers get - Lowry, Herro, Duncan Robinson
Blazers get - Mann, Tobias Harris, Morris, plus three 1sts from Mia

ESPN trade machine says - it’s successful!

All the haters say - it’s beautiful!

 

[General Malaise]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because shipping him for Dame may put them over the top?

Shipping him and what for Dame?

I don't know. That was the context of the comparison, which had greater trade value. You asked why they wouldn't just keep him

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because Dame is better than Herro. Dan basically said that Woj was carrying water for Portland in his "reporting" (Dan is carrying the Heat water here with his response. I know that). The Basics is Maxey is being floated as "philly's offer" and Dan's response was: Maxey isn't better than herro, hes just darker than Herro.

Being as unbiased as I can be here: Maxey and Herro are similar players. Maxey gets the nod on D while Herro is more of an offensive force. Herro getting hurt dring the playoff run and Dame becoming available are the only reasons Miami is interested here bc if they could keep Herro, Bam, and Jimmy and add Dame and not pay a ridiculous tax they would. The only Miami contracts that the Heat "regret" are Lowry and Duncan.

And around and around and around we go.

Forget Dame for a second - if Miami were to trade Herro to another team for a draft pick or picks, what do you think teams would offer? Non-protected first? First and a second?

To me (and others in Portland) it certainly feels like Miami is trying like hell to inflate Herro's value. Which is fine, I get it, but is the rest of the NBA buying that?

More than one team has offerred a first for Herro, not the other way around. Problem is that things get "complicated" in the salary stuff bc teams have to send matching salaries and the like and it becomes tax issues for Miami (The Brooklyn "third team" proposed deal had that hangup with Simmons then being added to the mix).

A 24 year old 20 point scorer with a handle who can create his own shot and has range beyond the three point line is no longer valuable in the NBA? He is a former 6th man of the year and had the highest FG percentage in the 4th quarter last year. If it wasn't Dame (and if Miami didn't go deep in the playoffs without him) Miami would likely want to keep him.

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

Herro has value, but not to Portland. The last thing Portland needs is another guard. So I'm curious what he'd fetch in return - you say a first, well, who was it? Who were the teams offering that and were the firsts non-protected?

What would be better than Herro in a trade for Dame? Well, 1st round picks that aren't late first round picks that are before 2034 would be nice...

 

[Navin Johnson]

Ok let’s do this:

Heat get - Lillard, Nurkic, Covington
Clippers get - Harden
Sixers get - Lowry, Herro, Duncan Robinson
Blazers get - Mann, Tobias Harris, Morris, plus three 1sts from Mia

ESPN trade machine says - it’s successful!

All the haters say - it’s beautiful!

I don't think Miami has three firsts to give because of protections on outgoing picks

 

[Navin Johnson]

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because shipping him for Dame may put them over the top?

Shipping him and what for Dame?

I don't know. That was the context of the comparison, which had greater trade value. You asked why they wouldn't just keep him

Dan LeBetard - who apparently is the spokesperson for the Miami Heat - said Tyler Herro is better than Tyrese Maxey.

Maxey may well be better in the future, and his contract is certainly better, but I am not sure that this is such an outlandish statment

Soooooooo......again, I ask: why not just keep him?

Because Dame is better than Herro. Dan basically said that Woj was carrying water for Portland in his "reporting" (Dan is carrying the Heat water here with his response. I know that). The Basics is Maxey is being floated as "philly's offer" and Dan's response was: Maxey isn't better than herro, hes just darker than Herro.

Being as unbiased as I can be here: Maxey and Herro are similar players. Maxey gets the nod on D while Herro is more of an offensive force. Herro getting hurt dring the playoff run and Dame becoming available are the only reasons Miami is interested here bc if they could keep Herro, Bam, and Jimmy and add Dame and not pay a ridiculous tax they would. The only Miami contracts that the Heat "regret" are Lowry and Duncan.

And around and around and around we go.

Forget Dame for a second - if Miami were to trade Herro to another team for a draft pick or picks, what do you think teams would offer? Non-protected first? First and a second?

To me (and others in Portland) it certainly feels like Miami is trying like hell to inflate Herro's value. Which is fine, I get it, but is the rest of the NBA buying that?

Nets have a ton of picks and I read they want compensation to take on Herro not give up anything - contract is bad - not a good sign for Miami.

It's not so much about anyone's value, real or perceived, if Lillard gives a particular team(s) leverage by dictating where he goes

 

[Yo Mama]

Ok let’s do this:

Heat get - Lillard, Nurkic, Covington
Clippers get - Harden
Sixers get - Lowry, Herro, Duncan Robinson
Blazers get - Mann, Tobias Harris, Morris, plus three 1sts from Mia

ESPN trade machine says - it’s successful!

All the haters say - it’s beautiful!

I don't think Miami has three firsts to give because of protections on outgoing picks

They can renegotiate the protections on one of their firsts to free up a third to trade.

 

[Capella]

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

I like Herro, certainly more than most but Maxey is absolutely better than him and has a way better contract. It’s not really disputable.

 

[Capella]

I hope Portland stands firm here even though I doubt they will. If Dame wanted to play in Miami he shouldn’t have signed that big *** contract with Portland. It’s bad when players abuse their positions like this, especially when demanding to go to only one team and kneecapping their present team.

Nobody is ever signing in Portland as a marquee free agent anyways so they should tell Dame to report in September or he can sit out. This is dumb.