2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (6 Viewers)

[Mookie Gizzy]

Should be easy incorporate the #8 into the new Big 10 logo

 

[The Z Machine]

End gaming to one super conference of 20 biggest programs Premier League style quite plausible in the next 10-20 years. Though that will probably need the next money model (i.e. streaming) to shake out- that is an era where the money takes a big leap again. We aren't in that now - ESPN trimming at this point and Apple not yet jumping in with compelling enough dollars.

Clock's ticking for the mid-low runners to pull an Oregon (pre-Phil Knight they were a blip).

The only redeeming quality of such a league (and the one thought that might prevent it) will be the hilariousness of one of those big britches brands becoming a perennial 3-9 team. Would be extra funny for it to be someone like Texas.

-QG

Would be cool to do a pro/rel with 4x 20 team conferences. Winners of the 3 "junior" conferences get promoted to the top level conference to replace the 3 bottom dwellers.

 

[The Commish]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

 

[Tom Servo]

Plot twist - PAC not dead yet....

-QG

Reverse UNO card - Ducks and Huskies are gone to the B1G

 

[Deamon]

Oregon State and Wazzu both are getting relegated to the trash bin it appears

Yeah. Hope the Beavers win the conference this year and go out in a blaze of glory

-QG

That'd be AWESOME.

I'm a huge Beavers fan and I'm gutted by this. @Manster ... thoughts?

 

[Tom Servo]

Oregon State and Wazzu both are getting relegated to the trash bin it appears

I heard somewhere if Oregon and Washington go to the big 10 Fox network might not commit to paying for more then 14 teams in the Big 12. Utah and ASU might be on the outside as well.

I'm sure the prospect of Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and Wisconsin regularly playing the Huskies and Ducks on a semi-regular basis will generate enough hype and ad dollars to dab away the tears.

 

[Deamon]

I hope the Ducks and Beavers still schedule a non conference game every year.

 

[urbanhack]

@General Malaise - I can already smell the pregame of a Purdue @ Ducks game. Woooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Yo Mama]

As a west coaster and traditional PAC-10/12 fan, I’m really disappointed by all this. I enjoy football, but mainly follow other college sports.

It’s a shame all these realignments couldn’t have been done just for football and left all the other sports stay in their traditional conferences. I know all the challenges that would raise for tv deals and what not, but the travel that will now be required for the “other” sports puts to rest any claims of the players being student-athletes.

Also, I don’t want to hear any more sob stories from coaches or ADs about how transfer portal or NIL is killing college sports.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Utah going

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1687568603300904963
https://twitter.com/jasonscheer
Jason Scheer
@jasonscheer

Utah is expected to be accepted into the Big 12 as soon as tonight. Announcement could come within next 48 hours.

 

[AAABatteries]

So dumb.

 

[The Z Machine]

Just blow it up and go pro/rel. Call the SEC "most bestest, top level, premier conference" and let everyone try to win their way into the conference.

 

[Yo Mama]

An expansion idea I can get behind:

https://twitter.com/kylerrobbins/status/1687515604566122496?s=46&t=y6cC9YGHSWmPAqN66itfRA

 

[massraider]

This stuff is getting wild, lol

https://twitter.com/Sportico/status/1687468928086237185

Oh my god if we get Saudi money I’m out.

I am completely here for FSU/Miami backed by oil money

 

[Snoopy]

ESPN just reported that Oregon and Washington were voted into the B1G and the move is official.

 

[Capella]

The last two Pac-12 commissioners should be thrown in prison.

 

[Jayded]

The whole sport is drunk. They might as well just get it over with, let the players unionize, and settle into the super conferences that are inevitable.

This short term shuffling is disappointing as it’ll all end up there anyways. Feels like putting off the inevitable.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

 

[culdeus]

16 team SEC, gets 4 teams into an 8 team tournament with 4 other conferences. Worst 4 SEC teams get relegated and top 4 teams in the others get in the next year. They play 12 in conference games and the others pick up the OOC cupcakes to a 10 in and 2 out 12 game schedule.

 

[culdeus]

Big brain is the 4 team Pac12 still getting an auto bid to the playoffs.

 

[TLEF316]

The whole thing is just so absurd. Just let football be its own thing. Make your super conferences....have Alabama play Texas and Georgia play Oklahoma and Ohio State play USC. Have your big stupid playoff that ESPN talks about for 8 hours a day for 5 straight months (which only like 8 teams have a chance of getting into anyway) and let the rest of college sports make sense again.

As a college basketball fan who doesn't give a damn about football (and feels for the athletes in the other sports who now have to fly all over the damn country for absolutely no reason) the whole thing just irritates me so much.

 

[culdeus]

Rutgers now has scholarship athletes that could fly to the moon and back to play some ****ty game nobody cares about in front of dozens of people and on ESPN34

 

[Mile High]

Pete Thamel

@PeteThamel

Sources: The Big 12's presidents and chancellors voted unanimously Friday night to admit Arizona State and Utah. They did the same last night for Arizona. All three at on the way, pending a Board of Trustees vote in Utah to formalize their move.

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[massraider]

Colorado coach Deion Sanders sees some hypocrisy in this week’s conference realignment chaos.

“All of this is about money,” he said Friday. “You know that. It’s about the bag. Everybody’s chasing the bag. Then you get mad at the players when they chase it. How is that? How do the grownups get mad at the players for chasing it when the colleges are chasing it?”

 

[The Z Machine]

Colorado coach Deion Sanders sees some hypocrisy in this week’s conference realignment chaos.

“All of this is about money,” he said Friday. “You know that. It’s about the bag. Everybody’s chasing the bag. Then you get mad at the players when they chase it. How is that? How do the grownups get mad at the players for chasing it when the colleges are chasing it?”

He's absolutely right.

 

[massraider]

Mandel: Pac-12's cause of death is about gross failure of leadership

From Larry Scott to George Kliavkoff, here's how the Pac-12 fell apart amid mass departures to the Big Ten and Big 12.

theathletic.com

A writeup of how the Pac-12 ran themselves into the ground.

On the morning of Nov. 12, 2011, Palo Alto, Calif., was the improbable epicenter of college football. ESPN’s “College GameDay” was live from Stanford, where that night the undefeated, third-ranked Cardinal hosted sixth-ranked Oregon. The Pac-12 finished that regular season with three of the top six teams in the country. It was the same year that the league signed what was then the richest television contract in college sports history (12 years, $3 billion). That this same storied conference would be on the verge of extinction just a dozen years later seems utterly inconceivable. And almost entirely self-inflicted.

 

[Insein]

Anybody still in contact with LHucks better keep an eye on him tonight with the PAC10 being taken out at the knees.

 

[culdeus]

Mandel: Pac-12's cause of death is about gross failure of leadership

From Larry Scott to George Kliavkoff, here's how the Pac-12 fell apart amid mass departures to the Big Ten and Big 12.

theathletic.com

A writeup of how the Pac-12 ran themselves into the ground.

On the morning of Nov. 12, 2011, Palo Alto, Calif., was the improbable epicenter of college football. ESPN’s “College GameDay” was live from Stanford, where that night the undefeated, third-ranked Cardinal hosted sixth-ranked Oregon. The Pac-12 finished that regular season with three of the top six teams in the country. It was the same year that the league signed what was then the richest television contract in college sports history (12 years, $3 billion). That this same storied conference would be on the verge of extinction just a dozen years later seems utterly inconceivable. And almost entirely self-inflicted.

I mean can we not see the time zone issue and 4.5 hour games played a role here?

 

[Capella]

Rutgers now has scholarship athletes that could fly to the moon and back to play some ****ty game nobody cares about in front of dozens of people and on ESPN34

I feel like the next step is in 6-8 years when the current tv contracts run out, and maybe the next contract isn’t as high as projected, places like Ohio Stste and Alabama are going to look at Rutgers and Vanderbilt eating into their shares and wonder why they are there. That’s coming next.

 

[culdeus]

Rutgers now has scholarship athletes that could fly to the moon and back to play some ****ty game nobody cares about in front of dozens of people and on ESPN34

I feel like the next step is in 6-8 years when the current tv contracts run out, and maybe the next contract isn’t as high as projected, places like Ohio Stste and Alabama are going to look at Rutgers and Vanderbilt eating into their shares and wonder why they are there. That’s coming next.

Also quietly cbs is laughing at this. They hit peak sec and got out at the ideal time.

 

[TLEF316]

Rutgers now has scholarship athletes that could fly to the moon and back to play some ****ty game nobody cares about in front of dozens of people and on ESPN34

I feel like the next step is in 6-8 years when the current tv contracts run out, and maybe the next contract isn’t as high as projected, places like Ohio Stste and Alabama are going to look at Rutgers and Vanderbilt eating into their shares and wonder why they are there. That’s coming next.

Basically. If they're smart and want to maximize football revenue, the actual big dogs will leave the hangers-on behind and just do their own thing. It will be fascinating to see where the cut-off is.

And it will be interesting to see what sort of effect that has on basketball. Will the crappy football schools that are left behind (and the NCAA) allow the separatists to have their cake and eat it too?

 

[Desert_Power]

We lost college football so some tv execs could get richer. Doesn’t see great to me.

Same as day one?

It's always about the paydays for those in charge.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Rutgers now has scholarship athletes that could fly to the moon and back to play some ****ty game nobody cares about in front of dozens of people and on ESPN34

I feel like the next step is in 6-8 years when the current tv contracts run out, and maybe the next contract isn’t as high as projected, places like Ohio Stste and Alabama are going to look at Rutgers and Vanderbilt eating into their shares and wonder why they are there. That’s coming next.

Basically. If they're smart and want to maximize football revenue, the actual big dogs will leave the hangers-on behind and just do their own thing. It will be fascinating to see where the cut-off is.

And it will be interesting to see what sort of effect that has on basketball. Will the crappy football schools that are left behind (and the NCAA) allow the separatists to have their cake and eat it too?

As an alum of one that will be surely left behind in that scenario the one silver lining I'll see is a Michigan or Texas or what have you turning into a perpetual 3-9 team in a conference solely made up of top 20 programs.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Good God what is the atmosphere at these PAC games going to be like this year? That there is that year to play in this scenario really makes the whole deal that much more depressing.

-QG

 

[FishTacoTuesday]

I was disappointed to see LHUCKS was not involved in the title.

RIP FFA

 

[FishTacoTuesday]

I would like to know more about Colorado bolting, is that directly due to Deion Sanders being hired as the Head Coach?
I would think so but maybe they were heading out of the Pac-12 anyways?

You ask more questions than a woman does.

 

[Deamon]

Good God what is the atmosphere at these PAC games going to be like this year? That there is that year to play in this scenario really makes the whole deal that much more depressing.

-QG

Do you mean the pac games atmosphere is going to be better or worse than normal?

Also, where'd you grad from?

 

[dickey moe]

My Cal-alum, 1982 Big Game-attending grandpa must be turning in his grave right now.

 

[dickey moe]

I was disappointed to see LHUCKS was not involved in the title.

RIP FFA

CONFERENCE OF LEFTOVERS

 

[Deamon]

This sucks so bad. One of the worst days I can ever remember as a Beavers fan.

 

[The Commish]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

Right? Never made any sense. Rumored deal is "partial share" (some are saying less than 50%) until 2030....that's a massive discount. Apparently, they aren't part of the BTAA either until they prove research is up to snuff. This is significantly less than what even Rutgers, Nebraska, etc got when they joined.

 

[culdeus]

Rutgers now has scholarship athletes that could fly to the moon and back to play some ****ty game nobody cares about in front of

Rutgers now has scholarship athletes that could fly to the moon and back to play some ****ty game nobody cares about in front of dozens of people and on ESPN34

I feel like the next step is in 6-8 years when the current tv contracts run out, and maybe the next contract isn’t as high as projected, places like Ohio Stste and Alabama are going to look at Rutgers and Vanderbilt eating into their shares and wonder why they are there. That’s coming next.

Basically. If they're smart and want to maximize football revenue, the actual big dogs will leave the hangers-on behind and just do their own thing. It will be fascinating to see where the cut-off is.

And it will be interesting to see what sort of effect that has on basketball. Will the crappy football schools that are left behind (and the NCAA) allow the separatists to have their cake and eat it too?

As an alum of one that will be surely left behind in that scenario the one silver lining I'll see is a Michigan or Texas or what have you turning into a perpetual 3-9 team in a conference solely made up of top 20 programs.

-QG

Texas is well on their way to that as it is.

 

[Tom Servo]

Rutgers now has scholarship athletes that could fly to the moon and back to play some ****ty game nobody cares about in front of dozens of people and on ESPN34

I feel like the next step is in 6-8 years when the current tv contracts run out, and maybe the next contract isn’t as high as projected, places like Ohio Stste and Alabama are going to look at Rutgers and Vanderbilt eating into their shares and wonder why they are there. That’s coming next.

Basically. If they're smart and want to maximize football revenue, the actual big dogs will leave the hangers-on behind and just do their own thing. It will be fascinating to see where the cut-off is.

And it will be interesting to see what sort of effect that has on basketball. Will the crappy football schools that are left behind (and the NCAA) allow the separatists to have their cake and eat it too?

As an alum of one that will be surely left behind in that scenario the one silver lining I'll see is a Michigan or Texas or what have you turning into a perpetual 3-9 team in a conference solely made up of top 20 programs.

-QG

This. What happens when some of these blue blood programs start going 5-7 on the regular? Where’s the tipping point between making Saudi oil prince money and going years between conference championships much less the CFP? I guess we break out the and wait.

 

[Tom Servo]

I was disappointed to see LHUCKS was not involved in the title.

RIP FFA

I got your hookup, GB.

 

[massraider]

This. What happens when some of these blue blood programs start going 5-7 on the regular?

I'm thinking about the way European soccer looks. EPL is the SEC, and other leagues have one or two teams that might be able to compete

 

[QuizGuy66]

Good God what is the atmosphere at these PAC games going to be like this year? That there is that year to play in this scenario really makes the whole deal that much more depressing.

-QG

Do you mean the pac games atmosphere is going to be better or worse than normal?

Also, where'd you grad from?

Illinois.

I would think the atmosphere would be worse. A lotta hard feelings all around given how it is 4 distinct groups with different fates (the 4 to B12, 2 full share B1G, 2 part share B1G, and the 4 left behind). And this all coming apart so close to the season.just brutal.

-QG

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

Right? Never made any sense. Rumored deal is "partial share" (some are saying less than 50%) until 2030....that's a massive discount. Apparently, they aren't part of the BTAA either until they prove research is up to snuff. This is significantly less than what even Rutgers, Nebraska, etc got when they joined.

They got admitted. It's not all about new TV markets. You can backtrack and spin all you want

 

[QuizGuy66]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

Right? Never made any sense. Rumored deal is "partial share" (some are saying less than 50%) until 2030....that's a massive discount. Apparently, they aren't part of the BTAA either until they prove research is up to snuff. This is significantly less than what even Rutgers, Nebraska, etc got when they joined.

They got admitted. It's not all about new TV markets. You can backtrack and spin all you want

Yep they are joining the BTAA

That is no surprise they fit right in. The dollars are so huge in the B1G in terms of research that it is the one conference where that dimension of a university joining really matters.

-QG

 

[culdeus]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

Right? Never made any sense. Rumored deal is "partial share" (some are saying less than 50%) until 2030....that's a massive discount. Apparently, they aren't part of the BTAA either until they prove research is up to snuff. This is significantly less than what even Rutgers, Nebraska, etc got when they joined.

They got admitted. It's not all about new TV markets. You can backtrack and spin all you want

Yep they are joining the BTAA

That is no surprise they fit right in. The dollars are so huge in the B1G in terms of research that it is the one conference where that dimension of a university joining really matters.

-QG

Do we still believe this "conferences fund research" angle? Would like to see the receipts on that.

 

[The Commish]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

Right? Never made any sense. Rumored deal is "partial share" (some are saying less than 50%) until 2030....that's a massive discount. Apparently, they aren't part of the BTAA either until they prove research is up to snuff. This is significantly less than what even Rutgers, Nebraska, etc got when they joined.

They got admitted. It's not all about new TV markets. You can backtrack and spin all you want

The discussion....that you've quoted twice now was about leverage in negotiations. Nothing in it had anything to do with whether they were getting in or not. Given the conditions, it's rather obvious they had little leverage and it looks like the leverage they did have was on the academic side in what they could offer the BTAA