2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (9 Viewers)

[The Commish]

Do we still believe this "conferences fund research" angle? Would like to see the receipts on that.

You should....it's been a factor in every single negotiation of admittance since this goat rodeo started with expansion. What was the CIC and is now the BTAA is billions of dollars in research funding.

 

[culdeus]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

Right? Never made any sense. Rumored deal is "partial share" (some are saying less than 50%) until 2030....that's a massive discount. Apparently, they aren't part of the BTAA either until they prove research is up to snuff. This is significantly less than what even Rutgers, Nebraska, etc got when they joined.

They got admitted. It's not all about new TV markets. You can backtrack and spin all you want

The discussion....that you've quoted twice now was about leverage in negotiations. Nothing in it had anything to do with whether they were getting in or not. Given the conditions, it's rather obvious they had little leverage and it looks like the leverage they did have was on the academic side in what they could offer the BTAA

Btaa is largely ********. There is no pooled funding and Rutgers allocations have gone down since joining.

There's no evidence that opening up some laser x-ray bornon gun to conference schools after midnight on the third Thursday of June does anything for grants.

Just. ********.

 

[Deamon]

Good God what is the atmosphere at these PAC games going to be like this year? That there is that year to play in this scenario really makes the whole deal that much more depressing.

-QG

Do you mean the pac games atmosphere is going to be better or worse than normal?

Also, where'd you grad from?

Illinois.

I would think the atmosphere would be worse. A lotta hard feelings all around given how it is 4 distinct groups with different fates (the 4 to B12, 2 full share B1G, 2 part share B1G, and the 4 left behind). And this all coming apart so close to the season.just brutal.

-QG

I suppose so. Though there's a feeling that every game this year vs those teams that are leaving is going to be personal now.

I'm heading to Corvallis this year for the Utah game and I'm hoping the atmosphere is just as good and angry.

 

[The Commish]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

Right? Never made any sense. Rumored deal is "partial share" (some are saying less than 50%) until 2030....that's a massive discount. Apparently, they aren't part of the BTAA either until they prove research is up to snuff. This is significantly less than what even Rutgers, Nebraska, etc got when they joined.

They got admitted. It's not all about new TV markets. You can backtrack and spin all you want

The discussion....that you've quoted twice now was about leverage in negotiations. Nothing in it had anything to do with whether they were getting in or not. Given the conditions, it's rather obvious they had little leverage and it looks like the leverage they did have was on the academic side in what they could offer the BTAA

Btaa is largely ********. There is no pooled funding and Rutgers allocations have gone down since joining.

There's no evidence that opening up some laser x-ray bornon gun to conference schools after midnight on the third Thursday of June does anything for grants.

Just. ********.

The funding is and has always been merit based. There are two large advantages of being part of this group that regular research institutions don't enjoy:
1. The pool of money is guaranteed. Companies invest funds exclusively in this group of schools. This cuts down the "competition" of private investment by 99%.
2. Almost all research/discovery made from that pool of money is openly shared among the schools of the conference whether the specific school worked on the project or not.

They are all expected to have "minimum" contribution efforts towards sustaining the model and if they aren't able to contribute they'll be cut out of the guaranteed dollars and the shared research/discovery. Nebraska and Rutgers were the first schools the B1G had concerns about contributing to the model in a meaningful way. My guess is, if Rutgers doesn't turn things around, they'll lose access.

 

[The Z Machine]

Maybe one of the reasons Cal and stanfurd are out in the cold is that they don't give a crop about pooling research money. They want to keep their grants to themselves and not share.

More likely though is that they have crappy football programs and apathetic alumni and don't generate any TV dollars for football or men's basketball.

 

[Moe.]

I’m happy for the remaining Big 8 schools that it all worked out. The marquee rivalry in the Big 12 is now BYU-Utah. Unbelievable

 

[QuizGuy66]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

Right? Never made any sense. Rumored deal is "partial share" (some are saying less than 50%) until 2030....that's a massive discount. Apparently, they aren't part of the BTAA either until they prove research is up to snuff. This is significantly less than what even Rutgers, Nebraska, etc got when they joined.

They got admitted. It's not all about new TV markets. You can backtrack and spin all you want

Yep they are joining the BTAA

That is no surprise they fit right in. The dollars are so huge in the B1G in terms of research that it is the one conference where that dimension of a university joining really matters.

-QG

Do we still believe this "conferences fund research" angle? Would like to see the receipts on that.

Only matters in terms of the B1G.

Every other conference it is lip service.

If Nebraska had lost their AAU membership 2 years earlier the B1G would have gone with Missouri instead.

-QG

 

[Moe.]

Obviously you can’t replace the schools that have left but they could scrape together a pretty decent conference with a Pac 12-MWC merger.

 

[QuizGuy66]

The research heft doesn't get schools in....lack of heft keeps schools out in terms of the B1G.

PAC thought they could apply the same kind of standard which was a huge mistake in terms of their ability to survive.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

I think Wazzou and Oregon State end up with the MW schools. That is a logical fit. Stanford and Cal are more the wildcards. The intrigue is what happens to the NCAA units from the conference. Do those last 4 figure out something or is it the last fight?

-QG

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The Sun Belt is a fun conference to watch.

 

[culdeus]

Maybe Oregon trying to get an improved offer from B1G

I don't even know what leverage they think they have at this point.

Oregon is coveted by media because of their high viewership numbers. While I think they get a reduced rate and come to an agreement it has to burn them knowing schools like Rutgers are getting a full share.

Again.....B1G is interested in new markets, not loyal viewers. Rutgers/Maryland brought HUGE markets with them. Oregon doesn't. That "viewership" means very little if those viewers are in markets the B1G already has deals in. Should also be noted that in the B1G, their shares are driven by what they bring in athletics as well as what they bring in research dollars to the BTAA. That's another way to get a larger piece of the pie.

Yes but Fox cares more about viewership

The discussion above was about Oregon joining the B1G and their leverage to do so. Now we're talking about what matters when the B1G goes to negotiate with Fox for a new TV deal. Same thing applies here though. It's about the market, not individual viewers unless B1G network is an add on right now and not part of the standard cable lineup in your area. Then viewership could help a little bit.

This aged well

Right? Never made any sense. Rumored deal is "partial share" (some are saying less than 50%) until 2030....that's a massive discount. Apparently, they aren't part of the BTAA either until they prove research is up to snuff. This is significantly less than what even Rutgers, Nebraska, etc got when they joined.

They got admitted. It's not all about new TV markets. You can backtrack and spin all you want

Yep they are joining the BTAA

That is no surprise they fit right in. The dollars are so huge in the B1G in terms of research that it is the one conference where that dimension of a university joining really matters.

-QG

Do we still believe this "conferences fund research" angle? Would like to see the receipts on that.

Only matters in terms of the B1G.

Every other conference it is lip service.

If Nebraska had lost their AAU membership 2 years earlier the B1G would have gone with Missouri instead.

-QG

Bull ****. All that aau nonsense is just sportswashing so people think academics matter.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Nice thread title.

 

[Deamon]

I think Wazzou and Oregon State end up with the MW schools. That is a logical fit. Stanford and Cal are more the wildcards. The intrigue is what happens to the NCAA units from the conference. Do those last 4 figure out something or is it the last fight?

-QG

Ugh. Ya I think from a culture standpoint Oregon State and WSU fit with the MW schools, but we just built a huge renovation on the stadium, Jonathan Smith has turned that program around amazingly quick and they're expected to be ranked for a back to back year, and recruiting was going to start going great with the recent success and the thumping of an SEC squad (I know, I know) on national TV last year. Moving to the MW (or merging) would ruin a LOT of that.

I guess best case scenario is somehow getting in the Big 12, but man, none of this makes sense.

 

[Deamon]

20% of the AP Top 25 football teams last year were from the Pac. This sucks.

 

[Capella]

Obviously you can’t replace the schools that have left but they could scrape together a pretty decent conference with a Pac 12-MWC merger.

Stanford and Wyoming in the same conference is probably never happening, but the idea is absolutely hilarious.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Yeah Oregon State got the UConn treatment (UConn literally moved up to a D1 football program when the Big East had the big merger and became a football conference as well. Then got stuck with the bag when the Big East broken up with the football schools.

-QG

 

[AAABatteries]

I know it won’t happen but I would love it if this blew up spectacularly on all these greedy ********.

 

[General Malaise]

I have a lot of friends and people I see regularly who are Oregon State alums, parents of kids there now or fans of the program. Now is absolutely NOT the time to treat them with anything other than compassion and empathy. This sucks for a lot of people who don't deserve this fate.

 

[QuizGuy66]

AAU membership by conference. (35 of the 71 are in the P5...well P4 plus the PAC now. Notre Dame also is in the AAU now - a fairly recent development).

2 of PAC4

5 of the 16 in the SEC (including Texas)

6 of the 14 in the ACC (Syracuse is a former member)

5 of the 16 in the Big XII. (4 of the 5 are the PAC refugees - Kansas is the other. Iowa State is a former member).

17 of the 18 members in the expanded B1G. (Nebraska is a former member).


Membership matters to the B1G. It doesn't matter to the others. The B1G has kept itself strong enough to maintain that luxury of pickiness. It is also why I think Miami is way higher on any wish list out of the ACC than Florida State would be.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

I have a lot of friends and people I see regularly who are Oregon State alums, parents of kids there now or fans of the program. Now is absolutely NOT the time to treat them with anything other than compassion and empathy. This sucks for a lot of people who don't deserve this fate.

Agreed I do feel awful for those who support them and Wazzou and Cal and Stanford too.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Good article on the SCOTUS case that changed everything

We can blame Oklahoma*

The TV football landscape was wild before that 1980s SCOTUS decision. Stone age really.

-QG




* - and Georgia as co-plaintiff and the CFA schools and....

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

I have a lot of friends and people I see regularly who are Oregon State alums, parents of kids there now or fans of the program. Now is absolutely NOT the time to treat them with anything other than compassion and empathy. This sucks for a lot of people who don't deserve this fate.

My grandpa graduated from Oregon St.

They’re my 2nd favorite PAC team. I feel awful for them and their fervent fans.

I recently realized that I have close relatives that have attended 9 of the 12 current Pac-12 schools. We have enjoyed our sports rivalries a lot over the years.

Although I think it was the right move for Washington, this has been a sad few days as a lifelong Pac 8/10/12 fan.

 

[Tick]

My college football superconferences: four 16-team conferences. Yell at me.

I read the first half of an article at The Athletic today about the future of college football until I got to something that said, "Please feel free to not share that Google Doc in which you reimagine college football with four 16-team leagues at the top and four 16-team leagues underneath and...

forums.footballguys.com

That was my attempt at restructuring college football. I guess it was silly, though - all that matters to the Big 10 is TV markets. The SEC is the only conference that seems to want the best teams.

 

[Capella]

AAU membership by conference. (35 of the 71 are in the P5...well P4 plus the PAC now. Notre Dame also is in the AAU now - a fairly recent development).

2 of PAC4

5 of the 16 in the SEC (including Texas)

6 of the 14 in the ACC (Syracuse is a former member)

5 of the 16 in the Big XII. (4 of the 5 are the PAC refugees - Kansas is the other. Iowa State is a former member).

17 of the 18 members in the expanded B1G. (Nebraska is a former member).


Membership matters to the B1G. It doesn't matter to the others. The B1G has kept itself strong enough to maintain that luxury of pickiness. It is also why I think Miami is way higher on any wish list out of the ACC than Florida State would be.

-QG

It’s hilarious you think this is about anything other than money. It’s certainly not about academics. Fox runs the Big 10, not the presidents. What they want goes.

 

[Tom Servo]

Good article on the SCOTUS case that changed everything

We can blame Oklahoma*

The TV football landscape was wild before that 1980s SCOTUS decision. Stone age really.

-QG




* - and Georgia as co-plaintiff and the CFA schools and....

Trust me, people today would be screaming if their favorite team was only allowed to be on TV six times over two years. The 1966 game between ND and Michigan State couldn't be shown nationally. ND was 8-0 and ranked #1 while MSU was 9-0 and ranked #2. A game of national importance, one that major implications in the national title chase, and it wasn't on national TV:

The game was not shown live on national TV. Each team was allotted one national television appearance and two regional television appearances each season. Notre Dame had used their national TV slot in the season opening game against Purdue and Michigan State had used their regional TV slot against Purdue. ABC executives did not even want to show the game anywhere but the regional area, but pressure from the West Coast and the South (to the tune of 50,000 letters) made ABC air the game on tape delay. ABC relented and blacked out the Michigan State-Notre Dame game in two states (reportedly North Dakota and South Dakota), so it could technically be called a regional broadcast.

 

[culdeus]

AAU membership by conference. (35 of the 71 are in the P5...well P4 plus the PAC now. Notre Dame also is in the AAU now - a fairly recent development).

2 of PAC4

5 of the 16 in the SEC (including Texas)

6 of the 14 in the ACC (Syracuse is a former member)

5 of the 16 in the Big XII. (4 of the 5 are the PAC refugees - Kansas is the other. Iowa State is a former member).

17 of the 18 members in the expanded B1G. (Nebraska is a former member).


Membership matters to the B1G. It doesn't matter to the others. The B1G has kept itself strong enough to maintain that luxury of pickiness. It is also why I think Miami is way higher on any wish list out of the ACC than Florida State would be.

-QG

Can I say lol to this whole thing without getting a ban?

 

[Deamon]

I have a lot of friends and people I see regularly who are Oregon State alums, parents of kids there now or fans of the program. Now is absolutely NOT the time to treat them with anything other than compassion and empathy. This sucks for a lot of people who don't deserve this fate.

Agreed I do feel awful for those who support them and Wazzou and Cal and Stanford too.

They’re my 2nd favorite PAC team. I feel awful for them and their fervent fans.

Thanks, It really is the worst. Been a huge Beavs fan for 20 years now and fly there for a games every year. The fans, town, culture, etc. is what gave me a love for college football and I've made lifelong friends and memories from my yearly visits down there.

It's hard to be a fan of a team that has always seemed to live in the shadow of its rival, and it has been a LOT of losing seasons recently... but Corvallis still always lives up to its reputation as "The Best College Town In The Pac 12"

This was the best I had felt about our program and its direction ever, as it felt like Jonathan Smith finally was able to recruit enough talent to pull even with the Ducks and make a name for themselves nationally. Last season was magical and potentially having a full season being ranked was so damn exciting (pun intended).

I know the program will live on, but there's a good chance it is never the same again. The rivalries built, the away fans traveling to games, the storming the field during upsets... I truly hope there's SOME way that will get to continue. I looked forward to many more Civil War (sorry) games, and that, too, seems like it might never happen again in Corvallis.

Tough, Tough day. The greed is ruining all of those experiences for so many fans and families, and now I'm just scratching to think of any plausible way for this to be rescued.

Go Beavs.

 

[culdeus]

Pac-4 Conference Updates

The Pac-4 is the premier tri-state West Coast college football conference.

pac-4.com

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

I have a lot of friends and people I see regularly who are Oregon State alums, parents of kids there now or fans of the program. Now is absolutely NOT the time to treat them with anything other than compassion and empathy. This sucks for a lot of people who don't deserve this fate.

Agreed I do feel awful for those who support them and Wazzou and Cal and Stanford too.

They’re my 2nd favorite PAC team. I feel awful for them and their fervent fans.

Thanks, It really is the worst. Been a huge Beavs fan for 20 years now and fly there for a games every year. The fans, town, culture, etc. is what gave me a love for college football and I've made lifelong friends and memories from my yearly visits down there.

It's hard to be a fan of a team that has always seemed to live in the shadow of its rival, and it has been a LOT of losing seasons recently... but Corvallis still always lives up to its reputation as "The Best College Town In The Pac 12"

This was the best I had felt about our program and its direction ever, as it felt like Jonathan Smith finally was able to recruit enough talent to pull even with the Ducks and make a name for themselves nationally. Last season was magical and potentially having a full season being ranked was so damn exciting (pun intended).

I know the program will live on, but there's a good chance it is never the same again. The rivalries built, the away fans traveling to games, the storming the field during upsets... I truly hope there's SOME way that will get to continue. I looked forward to many more Civil War (sorry) games, and that, too, seems like it might never happen again in Corvallis.

Tough, Tough day. The greed is ruining all of those experiences for so many fans and families, and now I'm just scratching to think of any plausible way for this to be rescued.

Go Beavs.

They have a very good team and a favorable schedule.

They get Utah and Washington at home. Wazzu on the road is winnable. Only tough road game is @ Oregon.

9-3 is their floor.

Go Beavs (except on 11/18/23).

 

[Deamon]

I have a lot of friends and people I see regularly who are Oregon State alums, parents of kids there now or fans of the program. Now is absolutely NOT the time to treat them with anything other than compassion and empathy. This sucks for a lot of people who don't deserve this fate.

Agreed I do feel awful for those who support them and Wazzou and Cal and Stanford too.

They’re my 2nd favorite PAC team. I feel awful for them and their fervent fans.

Thanks, It really is the worst. Been a huge Beavs fan for 20 years now and fly there for a games every year. The fans, town, culture, etc. is what gave me a love for college football and I've made lifelong friends and memories from my yearly visits down there.

It's hard to be a fan of a team that has always seemed to live in the shadow of its rival, and it has been a LOT of losing seasons recently... but Corvallis still always lives up to its reputation as "The Best College Town In The Pac 12"

This was the best I had felt about our program and its direction ever, as it felt like Jonathan Smith finally was able to recruit enough talent to pull even with the Ducks and make a name for themselves nationally. Last season was magical and potentially having a full season being ranked was so damn exciting (pun intended).

I know the program will live on, but there's a good chance it is never the same again. The rivalries built, the away fans traveling to games, the storming the field during upsets... I truly hope there's SOME way that will get to continue. I looked forward to many more Civil War (sorry) games, and that, too, seems like it might never happen again in Corvallis.

Tough, Tough day. The greed is ruining all of those experiences for so many fans and families, and now I'm just scratching to think of any plausible way for this to be rescued.

Go Beavs.

They have a very good team and a favorable schedule.

They get Utah and Washington at home. Wazzu on the road is winnable. Only tough road game is @ Oregon.

9-3 is their floor.

Go Beavs (except on 11/18/23).

Thanks. I'm flying down for the Utah game, was pretty excited but feels meh now. Hopefully a successful season can get them picked up by some conference.

 

[The Z Machine]

I don’t see Stanford and Cal going along with merging with the Mountain West. That probably would be the cleanest outcome but it just doesn’t seem like them.

Not sure they will have a choice.

But hey, their travel times and costs for all sports should drop.

 

[facook]

20% of the AP Top 25 football teams last year were from the Pac. This sucks.

Wow, 6 out of 25 . That's crazy.

 

[Capella]

I don’t see Stanford and Cal going along with merging with the Mountain West. That probably would be the cleanest outcome but it just doesn’t seem like them.

Not sure they will have a choice.

But hey, their travel times and costs for all sports should drop.

Stanford is not sending their Olympic athletes to Laramie and out to Hawaii. I don’t see any way that happens.

I meant to edit that post earlier and deleted on accident lol.

 

[Tom Servo]

Pac-4 Conference Updates

The Pac-4 is the premier tri-state West Coast college football conference.

pac-4.com

Someone went to a lot of trouble...but it was worth it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Pac-4 Conference Updates

The Pac-4 is the premier tri-state West Coast college football conference.

pac-4.com

Someone went to a lot of trouble...but it was worth it.

“Some NCAA teams are right here in the Pac-4.”

 

[Deamon]

20% of the AP Top 25 football teams last year were from the Pac. This sucks.

Wow, 6 out of 25 . That's crazy.

Not sure if sarcastic or not lol.... but also your math is a bit off.

 

[timschochet]

While LHUCKS was the dude around here who talked incessantly about the “Conference of Champions”, the guy who does it on television is Bill Walton, and he’s just as annoying (and I write that as a lifelong UCLA fan.) Sorry but who really cares which conference dominates in water polo?

 

[The Z Machine]

Sorry but who really cares which conference dominates in water polo?

It's not the Pac-4, it's rhe MPSF anyway.

 

[Jayded]

What's especially bizarre with all of this money floating around is why they cannot figure out how to separate football or football+basketball from all of the other sports. Why can't a university's football team be part of one conference while the rest of its sports are part of another?

There's no reason to send Rutgers or USC non-football teams across the country to play each other because of the football money grab. Just end these silly movements, settle on the 2 or 3 super conferences for football, and let the other sports do their own thing too.

 

[facook]

20% of the AP Top 25 football teams last year were from the Pac. This sucks.

Wow, 6 out of 25 . That's crazy.

Not sure if sarcastic or not lol.... but also your math is a bit off.

Nah, not sarcastic toward you. Just a dumb math joke, seemed appropriate with all the B1G "research schools" talk, but it fell flat.

I share your pain of all of this conference movement. It does suck.

 

[Snoopy]

What's especially bizarre with all of this money floating around is why they cannot figure out how to separate football or football+basketball from all of the other sports. Why can't a university's football team be part of one conference while the rest of its sports are part of another?

There's no reason to send Rutgers or USC non-football teams across the country to play each other because of the football money grab. Just end these silly movements, settle on the 2 or 3 super conferences for football, and let the other sports do their own thing too.

That does happen in other sports, such as Notre Dame is in the Big Ten in men's hockey only and Johns Hopkins in in the Big Ten in LaCrosse only.

 

[culdeus]

What's especially bizarre with all of this money floating around is why they cannot figure out how to separate football or football+basketball from all of the other sports. Why can't a university's football team be part of one conference while the rest of its sports are part of another?

There's no reason to send Rutgers or USC non-football teams across the country to play each other because of the football money grab. Just end these silly movements, settle on the 2 or 3 super conferences for football, and let the other sports do their own thing too.

It would be much easier to have regional women's sports leagues. And probably any sport that is co ed as well follow this. But conferences need to justify having a bunch of c suite execs. Oh and all that sweet sweet research might go away

 

[Snoopy]

And to expand the thought, many major college sports programs don't offer hockey and a significant number of smaller colleges have hockey as their only major sport, with other sports in smaller leagues. With that college hockey has a few hockey-only conferences. Then the Big Ten had the big idea that their conference schools that offered hockey had to leave their hockey conferences and have a Big Ten hockey conference though only 6 conference schools offered hockey. That really ruined the atmosphere to those schools' programs, they then invited the Notre Dame hockey team to the conference but is still not the same.

 

[Desert_Power]

What's especially bizarre with all of this money floating around is why they cannot figure out how to separate football or football+basketball from all of the other sports. Why can't a university's football team be part of one conference while the rest of its sports are part of another?

There's no reason to send Rutgers or USC non-football teams across the country to play each other because of the football money grab. Just end these silly movements, settle on the 2 or 3 super conferences for football, and let the other sports do their own thing too.

I'd guess one difficulty in this would be the inequality from the football money would flow through into other programs

 

[Jayded]

What's especially bizarre with all of this money floating around is why they cannot figure out how to separate football or football+basketball from all of the other sports. Why can't a university's football team be part of one conference while the rest of its sports are part of another?

There's no reason to send Rutgers or USC non-football teams across the country to play each other because of the football money grab. Just end these silly movements, settle on the 2 or 3 super conferences for football, and let the other sports do their own thing too.

That does happen in other sports, such as Notre Dame is in the Big Ten in men's hockey only and Johns Hopkins in in the Big Ten in LaCrosse only.

Definitely aware on the ND front. But I’m talking in more generalities for the others. ND’s position starts from its football independence so I’m curious how this’ll all shake out.

It’ll probably eventually force a separation of considerations of football vs all other sports where a split model would make most sense. Sending college kids all over the place because football dragged the school there for money seems anti-student and will eventually lead them to likely have to acknowledge that. Football isn’t tennis, rowing, etc. and that is ok and maybe they should just lean into it.

 

[culdeus]

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[General Malaise]

I have a lot of friends and people I see regularly who are Oregon State alums, parents of kids there now or fans of the program. Now is absolutely NOT the time to treat them with anything other than compassion and empathy. This sucks for a lot of people who don't deserve this fate.

Agreed I do feel awful for those who support them and Wazzou and Cal and Stanford too.

They’re my 2nd favorite PAC team. I feel awful for them and their fervent fans.

Thanks, It really is the worst. Been a huge Beavs fan for 20 years now and fly there for a games every year. The fans, town, culture, etc. is what gave me a love for college football and I've made lifelong friends and memories from my yearly visits down there.

It's hard to be a fan of a team that has always seemed to live in the shadow of its rival, and it has been a LOT of losing seasons recently... but Corvallis still always lives up to its reputation as "The Best College Town In The Pac 12"

This was the best I had felt about our program and its direction ever, as it felt like Jonathan Smith finally was able to recruit enough talent to pull even with the Ducks and make a name for themselves nationally. Last season was magical and potentially having a full season being ranked was so damn exciting (pun intended).

I know the program will live on, but there's a good chance it is never the same again. The rivalries built, the away fans traveling to games, the storming the field during upsets... I truly hope there's SOME way that will get to continue. I looked forward to many more Civil War (sorry) games, and that, too, seems like it might never happen again in Corvallis.

Tough, Tough day. The greed is ruining all of those experiences for so many fans and families, and now I'm just scratching to think of any plausible way for this to be rescued.

Go Beavs.

We drove through Corvallis yesterday because Mapquest rerouted us (crash on I5, so 99W up to Portland) and two of the kids had to take a leak. Usually the boys will just piss off the side of the road but my daughter needed to go. So we drove through downtown Corvallis, spotted a DQ, parked, went in to use the facilities. Women's bathroom out of order, Squatter Seymour hogging the men's room.

I notice across the street is Block 15, one of my favorite breweries. "C'mon kids, follow me." Marched across the street to Block 15 and while they peed, I ordered a 4-pack of mixed pints in cans. Enjoying a Consortium IPA now. Felt like Corvallis was owed a pound of flesh from me for the joy I've received rooting for and against the Beavers as well as an offering for how bad I feel for them.

I doubt many people realize just how small and rural Corvallis is. It's a dot of a town surrounded by lush farmland. You can drive through it in five minutes. Around it in ten. Good folks there. Salt of the earth. America.

I think the IPA is talking....

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

I have a lot of friends and people I see regularly who are Oregon State alums, parents of kids there now or fans of the program. Now is absolutely NOT the time to treat them with anything other than compassion and empathy. This sucks for a lot of people who don't deserve this fate.

Agreed I do feel awful for those who support them and Wazzou and Cal and Stanford too.

They’re my 2nd favorite PAC team. I feel awful for them and their fervent fans.

Thanks, It really is the worst. Been a huge Beavs fan for 20 years now and fly there for a games every year. The fans, town, culture, etc. is what gave me a love for college football and I've made lifelong friends and memories from my yearly visits down there.

It's hard to be a fan of a team that has always seemed to live in the shadow of its rival, and it has been a LOT of losing seasons recently... but Corvallis still always lives up to its reputation as "The Best College Town In The Pac 12"

This was the best I had felt about our program and its direction ever, as it felt like Jonathan Smith finally was able to recruit enough talent to pull even with the Ducks and make a name for themselves nationally. Last season was magical and potentially having a full season being ranked was so damn exciting (pun intended).

I know the program will live on, but there's a good chance it is never the same again. The rivalries built, the away fans traveling to games, the storming the field during upsets... I truly hope there's SOME way that will get to continue. I looked forward to many more Civil War (sorry) games, and that, too, seems like it might never happen again in Corvallis.

Tough, Tough day. The greed is ruining all of those experiences for so many fans and families, and now I'm just scratching to think of any plausible way for this to be rescued.

Go Beavs.

We drove through Corvallis yesterday because Mapquest rerouted us (crash on I5, so 99W up to Portland) and two of the kids had to take a leak. Usually the boys will just piss off the side of the road but my daughter needed to go. So we drove through downtown Corvallis, spotted a DQ, parked, went in to use the facilities. Women's bathroom out of order, Squatter Seymour hogging the men's room.

I notice across the street is Block 15, one of my favorite breweries. "C'mon kids, follow me." Marched across the street to Block 15 and while they peed, I ordered a 4-pack of mixed pints in cans. Enjoying a Consortium IPA now. Felt like Corvallis was owed a pound of flesh from me for the joy I've received rooting for and against the Beavers as well as an offering for how bad I feel for them.

I doubt many people realize just how small and rural Corvallis is. It's a dot of a town surrounded by lush farmland. You can drive through it in five minutes. Around it in ten. Good folks there. Salt of the earth. America.

I think the IPA is talking....

I lived in Corvallis for six weeks in 1988 during the summer between my junior and senior years of college taking an organic chem class.

I rented a room in an empty frat house for next to nothing. I loved the town.

So technically, I’m also a Beaver along with my grandpa.

 

[Jayded]

Dante Moore rumored to already be upset at UCLA