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2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (5 Viewers)

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pollardsvision said:
Capella said:
If I rooted for Auburn I would simply consider quitting. You do not have to live like this.
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I don't root for Auburn.
But their coach just about beat Saban for the 3rd time in 6 tries.

Had he done that, he'd have joined only Les Miles and UNC's horrible, horrible defensive coordinator as the only coaches to do it.

They beat Saban 3 times with freaking Gus Malzahn, and almost did it tonight with Liberty's coach.

Auburn is okay.
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And also, that's very bold coming from an FSU fan.
 
pollardsvision said:
pollardsvision said:
Capella said:
If I rooted for Auburn I would simply consider quitting. You do not have to live like this.
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I don't root for Auburn.
But their coach just about beat Saban for the 3rd time in 6 tries.

Had he done that, he'd have joined only Les Miles and UNC's horrible, horrible defensive coordinator as the only coaches to do it.

They beat Saban 3 times with freaking Gus Malzahn, and almost did it tonight with Liberty's coach.

Auburn is okay.
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And also, that's very bold coming from an FSU fan.
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Lol fsu has 3 titles and 3 heismans in 30 years. We’re straight.
 
ND almost had 4 turnovers in the first half. Hartman looks like garbage again, but coaches will only bench Estime. Parker might be the worst OC in college football.
 
Audric Estime broke the school record for rushing TDs in a season tonight (18).

He also had the 4th most rushing yards in a single game for ND tonight and didn’t play a snap in the 4th.

Wish they’d have gotten him the record before taking him out but what a year he’s had. Amazing back we’ll miss a lot.
 
I’m not gonna go back and look, it was probably mentioned here, but in the first quarter of this morning’s game Ohio State was driving the ball, got to Michigan’s 40 with a 4th and 1, and elected to punt. It probably didn’t lose the game for them, but it struck me at the time as really conservative and I wonder if it didn’t set the tone for the entire game. Michigan was willing to take more chances.
 
Last second fake direction onside kick remains the worst play in football. Provides absolutely zero advantage. Screws up the kicker's attempt.

What exactly is even the hypothesis in that play? They think the guys on the other side are just going to start walking off the field when the kicker initially takes the first step in the other direction? Of course they're still ready for the ball.
 
timschochet said:
I’m not gonna go back and look, it was probably mentioned here, but in the first quarter of this morning’s game Ohio State was driving the ball, got to Michigan’s 40 with a 4th and 1, and elected to punt. It probably didn’t lose the game for them, but it struck me at the time as really conservative and I wonder if it didn’t set the tone for the entire game. Michigan was willing to take more chances.
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Standard operating procedure from Ryan Day. Most teams just aren't talented enough to take advantage of his horrendous strategic coaching decisions.
 
Lol, Michigan -23 o/u 34.5

Iowa's implied Team Total 5.75
Michigan 28.75

Oregon 09.5 0/u 67.5
Washington's implied Team Total 29
Oregon 38.5

Liberty -10.5 o/u 53.5
N.Mexico State's implied Team Total 21.5
Liberty 31

Georgia -4.5 o/u 56.5
Alabama's implied Team Total 26
Georgia 30.5

Toledo -8 o/u 46.5
Miami (OH) implied Team Total 19.25
Toledo 27.25

Texas -11.5
Oklahoma State

Tulane -3.5
SMU

Troy -6.5
Appalachian State

Florida State -5.5 o/u 53.5
Louisville implied Team Total 24
Florida State 29.5

MWC
MWC
 
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Remember that conversation earlier in the week about if Texas A&M is a top-5 job and can win a title? Lol they just hired Kentucky’s coach.
 
Really like Oregon but -9.5 is a lot. Think I'd have to go 50% on Wash +9.5 and 50% on Wash +10 buying the hook.

Impressed that Florida State was able to win and cover without their starting QB but I'd lean Louisville and the +5.5

Georgia - Alabama, staying away. Georgia's shown me nothing to validate them as the #1 team in the country. Alabama has overcome an early season loss to a really good Texas team, albiet at home. They've improved since then and are a better team at this point in the season. Still laying off, might have a change of mind late and sprinkle a little on Bama and the +4.5 if it holds.

Like Texas in their matchup, waiting to see what it opens. (-11.5, that's sub optimal)

Need to do a deep dive in the other 5 non power 5 championships, plus the lines haven't opened yet.

I know we are going to see a huge shake up with teams leaving the Pac 12 for the BIG and Big 12 and Big 12 teams leaving for the SEC but seriously, these conference title games suck. Most have a double digit favorite. For God's sake, how is Iowa, a team that's scored 13 points all season playing for the BIG Championship?
 
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timschochet said:
I’m not gonna go back and look, it was probably mentioned here, but in the first quarter of this morning’s game Ohio State was driving the ball, got to Michigan’s 40 with a 4th and 1, and elected to punt. It probably didn’t lose the game for them, but it struck me at the time as really conservative and I wonder if it didn’t set the tone for the entire game. Michigan was willing to take more chances.
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It was Ohio State's 2nd possession, the score was 0-0 and the ball was on OSU's own 46. I would have punted the ball there as well. I've watched my Buckeyes all year this year as I have for the last 50-something years. I love my Buckeyes with all my heart as I always do as I wrote the Iliad or I work in a nuclear power plant. However, I can't say this was the kind of O-line this year that's necessarily gonna get that 1 yard. . . unless it's ND and they only have 10 guys on the field.

Ohio St. at 12:34
1st and 10 at OSU24Ohio St. drive start at 12:34.
1st and 10 at OSU24No Huddle-Shotgun Henderson,TreVeyon rush middle for 2 yards gain to the OSU26 (Colson,Junior; Moore,Derrick).
2nd and 8 at OSU26No Huddle-Shotgun McCord,Kyle pass complete short middle to Henderson,TreVeyon for 11 yards to the OSU37 (Colson,Junior), 1ST DOWN.
1st and 10 at OSU37No Huddle-Shotgun McCord,Kyle pass incomplete short left to Harrison Jr.,Marvin.
2nd and 10 at OSU37No Huddle-Shotgun Henderson,TreVeyon rush right for 0 yards to the OSU37 (Stewart,Josaiah).
3rd and 10 at OSU37No Huddle-Shotgun McCord,Kyle pass complete short left to Johnson,Xavier for 9 yards to the OSU46 (Colson,Junior).
4th and 1 at OSU46Mirco,Jesse punt 33 yards to the MICH21 fair catch by Thaw,Jake at MICH21.
 
Capella said:
Remember that conversation earlier in the week about if Texas A&M is a top-5 job and can win a title? Lol they just hired Kentucky’s coach.
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The Aggies I know down here are really really upset. Most succinct statement was, “Fired a 7-5 SEC West coach for a 7-5 SEC East one…”
 
MAC_32 said:
timschochet said:
I’m not gonna go back and look, it was probably mentioned here, but in the first quarter of this morning’s game Ohio State was driving the ball, got to Michigan’s 40 with a 4th and 1, and elected to punt. It probably didn’t lose the game for them, but it struck me at the time as really conservative and I wonder if it didn’t set the tone for the entire game. Michigan was willing to take more chances.
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Standard operating procedure from Ryan Day. Most teams just aren't talented enough to take advantage of his horrendous strategic coaching decisions.
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It was a team effort loss.

** I wanted to give credit where credit was due. This was posted by Skunk Bear Blood (he's a Mod on Eleven Warriors) but I agree 100% with his take :

O-Line
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/11/143432/ohio-state-vs-michigan-notebook-offensive-line-not-consistent-enough-ryan-day-discusses-settling-for-field-goal

Defense
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/11/143428/ohio-states-defense-didnt-make-the-plays-it-needed-in-second-half-vs-michigan

McCord
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...roves-costly-in-ohio-state-s-loss-to-michigan

Not to mention the coaching & not so special teams

Our Buckeyes played and lost as a team.
 
Sullie said:
MAC_32 said:
timschochet said:
I’m not gonna go back and look, it was probably mentioned here, but in the first quarter of this morning’s game Ohio State was driving the ball, got to Michigan’s 40 with a 4th and 1, and elected to punt. It probably didn’t lose the game for them, but it struck me at the time as really conservative and I wonder if it didn’t set the tone for the entire game. Michigan was willing to take more chances.
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Standard operating procedure from Ryan Day. Most teams just aren't talented enough to take advantage of his horrendous strategic coaching decisions.
Click to expand...

It was a team effort loss.

** I wanted to give credit where credit was due. This was posted by Skunk Bear Blood (he's a Mod on Eleven Warriors) but I agree 100% with his take :

O-Line
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/11/143432/ohio-state-vs-michigan-notebook-offensive-line-not-consistent-enough-ryan-day-discusses-settling-for-field-goal

Defense
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/11/143428/ohio-states-defense-didnt-make-the-plays-it-needed-in-second-half-vs-michigan

McCord
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...roves-costly-in-ohio-state-s-loss-to-michigan

Not to mention the coaching & not so special teams

Our Buckeyes played and lost as a team.
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Ryan Day wears the weaknesses on the OL and defense. His recruiting and developmental efforts aren't focused on those areas and what's played out in this game the last 3 years has been a result of that. The name on the jersey gets 4 and 5 stars anyway, which is good for double digit wins, but his team's keep falling short in big spots because of his weaknesses recruiting, culture building, and decision making gameday.
 
Jayded said:
Capella said:
Remember that conversation earlier in the week about if Texas A&M is a top-5 job and can win a title? Lol they just hired Kentucky’s coach.
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The Aggies I know down here are really really upset. Most succinct statement was, “Fired a 7-5 SEC West coach for a 7-5 SEC East one…”
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Stoops apparently turned them down lol

bleacherreport.com

Report: Kentucky's Mark Stoops Won't Be Texas A&M Head Coach Despite Rumors

On Saturday night, Jeff Tarpley of 247Sports reported that Texas A&M was set to hire Kentucky head coach Mark Stoops to replace the fired Jimbo Fisher as…
bleacherreport.com bleacherreport.com

I wouldn't be surprised if Urban Meyer finds his way in there.
 
General Malaise said:
He has his sights set higher than top 25 and the Michigan State job gives him that opportunity better than the Oregon State job.
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Only because the Pac dissolved. Oregon State lost some brutally close games (not the ducks game) and could easily be top 10 now. They could have built off that and made the playoff next year for sure. Not sure Mich State will make the playoff anytime soon.

But yes, given the scenario (of all the stupid pac teams leaving), mich state gives him a better opportunity now perhaps.
 
Penguin said:
Really like Oregon but -9.5 is a lot. Think I'd have to go 50% on Wash +9.5 and 50% on Wash +10 buying the hook.
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I'd bet the Ducks to cover that by a mile. Wash is done, they're not the same team they were earlier in the year.

First 6 games:
Win by 33 vs an unranked team
Win by 37 vs an unranked team
Win by 34 vs an unranked team
Win by 27 vs an unranked team
Win by 7 vs #21 Arizona
Win by 3 vs #6 Oregon

Final 6 games:
Win by 8, vs an unranked team
Win by 9, vs an unranked team
Win by 10, vs an unranked team
Win by 7, vs an unranked team
Win by 2, vs #10 Oregon State
Win by 3, vs an unranked team.

They just don't have it anymore. A massive difference since that first Ducks/Huskies game. Ducks by a lot.
 
Deamon said:
General Malaise said:
He has his sights set higher than top 25 and the Michigan State job gives him that opportunity better than the Oregon State job.
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Only because the Pac dissolved. Oregon State lost some brutally close games (not the ducks game) and could easily be top 10 now. They could have built off that and made the playoff next year for sure. Not sure Mich State will make the playoff anytime soon.

But yes, given the scenario (of all the stupid pac teams leaving), mich state gives him a better opportunity now perhaps.
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We just don't see things the same way and that's okay.
 
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