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2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (7 Viewers)

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Simulation of what happens this weekend and results:

Michigan (13-0)
FSU (13-0)
Texas (12-1)
Oregon (12-1)
Alabama (12-1)
Georgia (12-1)

Who's the most popular and allowed to move forward?

ETA: And I am FULLY and COMPLETELY aware of the jinx I just placed on my alma mater. I thought long and hard about even typing this out :lol:

I’m still of the opinion that the SEC does not get shut out no matter what. Granted, I think UGA makes that argument moot as they take care of Bama but in the above scenario I think maybe FSU (due to injury) get left out.
I guess people will say that’s the homer in me but there is no way they are leaving out a 13-0 power 5 champ. Mandel went through every scenario the other day and had FSU in every time with a win.

In the above scenario he had it:

Michigan
Bama
Oregon
FSU
Georgia

Texas would be way out.

Without the QB injury I think I agree with you - however, anybody saying Bama absolutely gets left out, IMO, hasn’t been paying attention to the treatment that the SEC has gotten over the years.
In any of those previous years did another P5 champ with the same record beat the SEC champ on the road in the same season? I don’t really think prior seasons matter. I think they will absolutely leave the SEC out if Bama beats Georgia and Texas wins, assuming FSU wins as well

Happy to be wrong but I will have to see them do it before I believe they will leave the conference out that has won 6 of the last 8 championships and had the runner-up 3 of those years. 9 out of 16 teams in the championship has been from the SEC the last 8 years and they get left out completely? I don’t see it. Literally nobody (sorry @Capella) will think FSU is better than Bama with their QB injured.
Bama almost lost to Auburn and needed a miracle to win like 5 days ago. Please let’s get real here. Stop basing these teams off of their previous years.


FSU covered on the road against basically the same caliber of crap opponent and all people want to talk about is how terrible they are now. It’s so lame.
 
Simulation of what happens this weekend and results:

Michigan (13-0)
FSU (13-0)
Texas (12-1)
Oregon (12-1)
Alabama (12-1)
Georgia (12-1)

Who's the most popular and allowed to move forward?

ETA: And I am FULLY and COMPLETELY aware of the jinx I just placed on my alma mater. I thought long and hard about even typing this out :lol:

I’m still of the opinion that the SEC does not get shut out no matter what. Granted, I think UGA makes that argument moot as they take care of Bama but in the above scenario I think maybe FSU (due to injury) get left out.
I guess people will say that’s the homer in me but there is no way they are leaving out a 13-0 power 5 champ. Mandel went through every scenario the other day and had FSU in every time with a win.

In the above scenario he had it:

Michigan
Bama
Oregon
FSU
Georgia

Texas would be way out.

Without the QB injury I think I agree with you - however, anybody saying Bama absolutely gets left out, IMO, hasn’t been paying attention to the treatment that the SEC has gotten over the years.
In any of those previous years did another P5 champ with the same record beat the SEC champ on the road in the same season? I don’t really think prior seasons matter. I think they will absolutely leave the SEC out if Bama beats Georgia and Texas wins, assuming FSU wins as well

Happy to be wrong but I will have to see them do it before I believe they will leave the conference out that has won 6 of the last 8 championships and had the runner-up 3 of those years. 9 out of 16 teams in the championship has been from the SEC the last 8 years and they get left out completely? I don’t see it. Literally nobody (sorry @Capella) will think FSU is better than Bama with their QB injured.
Bama almost lost to Auburn and needed a miracle to win like 5 days ago. Please let’s get real here. Stop basing these teams off of their previous years.


FSU covered on the road against basically the same caliber of crap opponent and all people want to talk about is how terrible they are now. It’s so lame.

If Bama beats UGA they will have more impressive wins than FSU and they will be SEC champs vs. ACC champs. Has nothing to do with last year.

Should Bama get in over FSU? No. But I’m not convinced they wouldn’t.
 
Bama beats UGA they will have more impressive wins than FSU and they will be SEC champs vs. ACC champs. Has nothing to do with last year.
Bama also would have one more loss. At home. They also have a common opponent which fsu beat by more, at a neutral site. What are the big sec OOC wins? The acc has a winning record against the sec this year.

Obviously I know the sec is better but there’s no real argument to put Bama in over fsu other than they’ve been the better program recently.
 
Bama beats UGA they will have more impressive wins than FSU and they will be SEC champs vs. ACC champs. Has nothing to do with last year.
Bama also would have one more loss. At home. They also have a common opponent which fsu beat by more, at a neutral site. What are the big sec OOC wins? The acc has a winning record against the sec this year.

Obviously I know the sec is better but there’s no real argument to put Bama in over fsu other than they’ve been the better program recently.

Sure, but would you stake your 401k that it won’t happen?

I’m not arguing Bama should get in (although as I said above I think they are one of the 4 best teams - but that’s a different argument) - what I am arguing is I just don’t see the SEC champ, that just beat a team that has won like 27 games in a row, being left out of the playoff.

Let’s put it another way - if at the beginning of the year I told you that the the undefeated conference champion of the 5th best conference was up against the 1 loss SEC champ for the final playoff spot - who would you have predicted they would have taken?
 
Bama beats UGA they will have more impressive wins than FSU and they will be SEC champs vs. ACC champs. Has nothing to do with last year.
Bama also would have one more loss. At home. They also have a common opponent which fsu beat by more, at a neutral site. What are the big sec OOC wins? The acc has a winning record against the sec this year.

Obviously I know the sec is better but there’s no real argument to put Bama in over fsu other than they’ve been the better program recently.

Sure, but would you stake your 401k that it won’t happen?

I’m not arguing Bama should get in (although as I said above I think they are one of the 4 best teams - but that’s a different argument) - what I am arguing is I just don’t see the SEC champ, that just beat a team that has won like 27 games in a row, being left out of the playoff.

Let’s put it another way - if at the beginning of the year I told you that the the undefeated conference champion of the 5th best conference was up against the 1 loss SEC champ for the final playoff spot - who would you have predicted they would have taken?
The undefeated champ. They’re not leaving an undefeated champ out unless there are 5 of them. They basically always start off ranking them by number of losses and then go from there.

And no I wouldn’t bet my 401k on it but would bet a lot.
 
If only there was a system to just take the conference champs and ditch the playoff committee. Then we could just complain about the seeding.
 
Bama beats UGA they will have more impressive wins than FSU and they will be SEC champs vs. ACC champs. Has nothing to do with last year.
Bama also would have one more loss. At home. They also have a common opponent which fsu beat by more, at a neutral site. What are the big sec OOC wins? The acc has a winning record against the sec this year.

Obviously I know the sec is better but there’s no real argument to put Bama in over fsu other than they’ve been the better program recently.

Sure, but would you stake your 401k that it won’t happen?

I’m not arguing Bama should get in (although as I said above I think they are one of the 4 best teams - but that’s a different argument) - what I am arguing is I just don’t see the SEC champ, that just beat a team that has won like 27 games in a row, being left out of the playoff.

Let’s put it another way - if at the beginning of the year I told you that the the undefeated conference champion of the 5th best conference was up against the 1 loss SEC champ for the final playoff spot - who would you have predicted they would have taken?
The undefeated champ. They’re not leaving an undefeated champ out unless there are 5 of them. They basically always start off ranking them by number of losses and then go from there.

And no I wouldn’t bet my 401k on it but would bet a lot.

I’m rooting for it to happen - I live in SEC country and it would be glorious.
 
If only there was a system to just take the conference champs and ditch the playoff committee. Then we could just complain about the seeding.

I’d be more on board with that. As it is, Georgia and Washington are at risk of getting screwed for losing late. Washington, in particular, should be aggravated having to beat the same team twice to make the playoff.
 
Bama beats UGA they will have more impressive wins than FSU and they will be SEC champs vs. ACC champs. Has nothing to do with last year.
Bama also would have one more loss. At home. They also have a common opponent which fsu beat by more, at a neutral site. What are the big sec OOC wins? The acc has a winning record against the sec this year.

Obviously I know the sec is better but there’s no real argument to put Bama in over fsu other than they’ve been the better program recently.

Sure, but would you stake your 401k that it won’t happen?

I’m not arguing Bama should get in (although as I said above I think they are one of the 4 best teams - but that’s a different argument) - what I am arguing is I just don’t see the SEC champ, that just beat a team that has won like 27 games in a row, being left out of the playoff.

Let’s put it another way - if at the beginning of the year I told you that the the undefeated conference champion of the 5th best conference was up against the 1 loss SEC champ for the final playoff spot - who would you have predicted they would have taken?
The undefeated champ. They’re not leaving an undefeated champ out unless there are 5 of them. They basically always start off ranking them by number of losses and then go from there.

And no I wouldn’t bet my 401k on it but would bet a lot.

I’m rooting for it to happen - I live in SEC country and it would be glorious.
We’ll see I guess. I don’t even think fsu is top-4 without Travis but leaving out a 13-0 team with that resume is ridiculous.
 
Bama beats UGA they will have more impressive wins than FSU and they will be SEC champs vs. ACC champs. Has nothing to do with last year.
Bama also would have one more loss. At home. They also have a common opponent which fsu beat by more, at a neutral site. What are the big sec OOC wins? The acc has a winning record against the sec this year.

Obviously I know the sec is better but there’s no real argument to put Bama in over fsu other than they’ve been the better program recently.

Sure, but would you stake your 401k that it won’t happen?

I’m not arguing Bama should get in (although as I said above I think they are one of the 4 best teams - but that’s a different argument) - what I am arguing is I just don’t see the SEC champ, that just beat a team that has won like 27 games in a row, being left out of the playoff.

Let’s put it another way - if at the beginning of the year I told you that the the undefeated conference champion of the 5th best conference was up against the 1 loss SEC champ for the final playoff spot - who would you have predicted they would have taken?
The undefeated champ. They’re not leaving an undefeated champ out unless there are 5 of them. They basically always start off ranking them by number of losses and then go from there.

And no I wouldn’t bet my 401k on it but would bet a lot.

I’m rooting for it to happen - I live in SEC country and it would be glorious.
We’ll see I guess. I don’t even think fsu is top-4 without Travis but leaving out a 13-0 team with that resume is ridiculous.

But that’s the thing - the playoff committee is charged with giving us the best teams and matchups. They aren’t rewarding teams for the regular season. Imagine if that cheap hit by the UF players took out your backup. Does anybody other than FSU fans want to watch the 3rd string Noles QB go up against say UGA’s defense?
 
If only there was a system to just take the conference champs and ditch the playoff committee. Then we could just complain about the seeding.
And then have something like in the NFL where some **** team from the NFC South gets a home playoff game.
Maybe have more than 4 or 5 teams per division?
Point was, which conferences are deemed "worthy" in that scenario? Obviously PAC is out now but let's say that Clemson and FSU decide to bolt the ACC. Are they still getting a team in the playoff even though the champ is probably worse than the 4th/5th best from the other top conferences? Or let's say Louisville somehow squeaks by tomorrow yet we know they're at best the 10th best team. How about the others like SBC, or an independent like ND? If the playoff is 12 teams, how do you fill out the rest?
 
I don't think FSU gets left out unless they lose. In that scenario above, I had Michigan and FSU locked in simply because they were undefeated and won their conference championship games. I'd then put Oregon in because they won their conference championship too. Then it comes down to Alabama and Texas. They had pretty similar SOS if you look at all the various sites and Texas wins the H2H. I'd personally put Texas in with that scenario, but also see exactly what AAA is saying. I just can't see committee overcoming bias to leave it with no SEC teams.
 
FSU’s Rodemaker in concussion protocol all week? Line dropped a few points.

Confirmed from someone on site…he’s in protocol but also practicing as much as allowed.
 
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FSU’s Rodemaker in concussion protocol all week? Line dropped a few points.

Confirmed from someone on site…he’s in protocol but also practicing as much as allowed.
He’s almost certainly starting but that explains the line drop from 5.5 to 2.5


Of course I bet it right away at 5.5 Sunday.
 
Bama v UGA...line has fluctuated up and down, but may be settling around 5.5. It's the 3rd most points Bama has gotten since '09 (both higher lines vs UGA...Bama won both).

No reason to believe this won't be a nail-biter. A lot of similarities on defense. The biggest difference is the ultra-efficient UGA O...incredible on 3rd Down in particular...vs the Bama O that at times is explosive and other times insanely frustrating. The Bama O played a great game vs AU for example...6 of first 7 possessions were +50 yards...but key penalties and untimely poor decisions limited scoring.

If Milroe can lead an efficient O for more than half the game (for the 1st time)...and the Bama D can get off the field some on 3rd down...Bama will win IMO. But if UGA and Bama play like they've been playing without a bunch of wild TO's, UGA will win.
 
Bama v UGA...line has fluctuated up and down, but may be settling around 5.5. It's the 3rd most points Bama has gotten since '09 (both higher lines vs UGA...Bama won both).

No reason to believe this won't be a nail-biter. A lot of similarities on defense. The biggest difference is the ultra-efficient UGA O...incredible on 3rd Down in particular...vs the Bama O that at times is explosive and other times insanely frustrating. The Bama O played a great game vs AU for example...6 of first 7 possessions were +50 yards...but key penalties and untimely poor decisions limited scoring.

If Milroe can lead an efficient O for more than half the game (for the 1st time)...and the Bama D can get off the field some on 3rd down...Bama will win IMO. But if UGA and Bama play like they've been playing without a bunch of wild TO's, UGA will win.
Am I right in seeing that this Bama defense has problems with the run? I couldn't believe the success Auburn had running and am not sure if it is because of a really good run game by Auburn or Bama not being as good at stopping the run this year.
 
So excited for tonight's games! Oh wait, I'll be at work...maybe I need to rethink my answer in the "retire soon" thread. :D
 
Bama v UGA...line has fluctuated up and down, but may be settling around 5.5. It's the 3rd most points Bama has gotten since '09 (both higher lines vs UGA...Bama won both).

No reason to believe this won't be a nail-biter. A lot of similarities on defense. The biggest difference is the ultra-efficient UGA O...incredible on 3rd Down in particular...vs the Bama O that at times is explosive and other times insanely frustrating. The Bama O played a great game vs AU for example...6 of first 7 possessions were +50 yards...but key penalties and untimely poor decisions limited scoring.

If Milroe can lead an efficient O for more than half the game (for the 1st time)...and the Bama D can get off the field some on 3rd down...Bama will win IMO. But if UGA and Bama play like they've been playing without a bunch of wild TO's, UGA will win.
Am I right in seeing that this Bama defense has problems with the run? I couldn't believe the success Auburn had running and am not sure if it is because of a really good run game by Auburn or Bama not being as good at stopping the run this year.
UGA was out-rushed by AU by an almost identical margin…I think their zone-read/single-wing/veer…whatever you call it..with a running QB…scheme is an outlier. AU did take advantage of some Bama DL injuries w the hurry-up…maybe UGA pushes there? Those injuries are still a concern. But otherwise it’s apples to oranges w AU v UGA. Bama in general has been its best defensively in years, especially in the 2nd half. And I think the biggest concern is the passing game for UGA (and they’ve only allowed 10 sacks).
 
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And unfortunately I think this whole discussion won’t matter because UGA will win Saturday.
Completely agree. I honestly don’t think it’ll be close.

So let’s do this one for fun.

Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, Louisville, OKST are the winners.

Ohio State or Washington?
 
And unfortunately I think this whole discussion won’t matter because UGA will win Saturday.
Completely agree. I honestly don’t think it’ll be close.

So let’s do this one for fun.

Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, Louisville, OKST are the winners.

Just for fun I put this in as a 5-teamer and it came in +2171

The Pac is getting their winner in. Georgia, FSU, Michigan and Texas is +206.
 
Bama v UGA...line has fluctuated up and down, but may be settling around 5.5. It's the 3rd most points Bama has gotten since '09 (both higher lines vs UGA...Bama won both).

No reason to believe this won't be a nail-biter. A lot of similarities on defense. The biggest difference is the ultra-efficient UGA O...incredible on 3rd Down in particular...vs the Bama O that at times is explosive and other times insanely frustrating. The Bama O played a great game vs AU for example...6 of first 7 possessions were +50 yards...but key penalties and untimely poor decisions limited scoring.

If Milroe can lead an efficient O for more than half the game (for the 1st time)...and the Bama D can get off the field some on 3rd down...Bama will win IMO. But if UGA and Bama play like they've been playing without a bunch of wild TO's, UGA will win.

What I would be looking at is if Bama can keep it close how does Beck respond late in a close game. Outside Auburn he’s been on cruise control.
 
So Penn State hired Andy Kotelnicki as offensive coordinator away from Kansas. This dude is a GREAT offensive coordinator.

This is a huge get for Penn State in my opinion. If Franklin lets him do his thing watch out folks. This dude will turn that offense around.
 
I’m no betting sharp but Washington +9 tonight? I don’t get it.
They could easily have 4 losses this year. It is TCU from last year and they are playing a team better than them tonight. 9 is still a lot of points but I just bet Oregon to cover.
Oregon does have a loss and should have probably lost to Texas Tech but I know that was quite some time ago. I guess I don’t really see Washington beating 3 ranked teams in a row and then their in-state rival as “struggling”. I would lean Oregon but thought the line would maybe be a field goal or less. That being said, I’ve proven many times how little I know…..
 
And unfortunately I think this whole discussion won’t matter because UGA will win Saturday.
Completely agree. I honestly don’t think it’ll be close.

So let’s do this one for fun.

Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, Louisville, OKST are the winners.

Ohio State or Washington?

Washington - PAC regular season champs, undefeated regular season and beat Oregon.
Would you feel the same way if Oregon beats Washington by double digits? OSU lost to the #2 team by 6 points - and it was competitive until the last drive. If Washington gets boatraced and loses by double digits, I can see OSU moving into that #4 spot. Assuming GA, MI both win and FSU loses.
 
And unfortunately I think this whole discussion won’t matter because UGA will win Saturday.
Completely agree. I honestly don’t think it’ll be close.

So let’s do this one for fun.

Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, Louisville, OKST are the winners.

Ohio State or Washington?

Washington - PAC regular season champs, undefeated regular season and beat Oregon.
Would you feel the same way if Oregon beats Washington by double digits? OSU lost to the #2 team by 6 points - and it was competitive until the last drive. If Washington gets boatraced and loses by double digits, I can see OSU moving into that #4 spot. Assuming GA, MI both win and FSU loses.

Probably, because Washington already beat Oregon - OSU beat who, Notre Dame and PSU? I think the consensus from just about everyone is that the PAC was maybe the best conference this year even above the SEC. I honestly don’t know the best B1G OOC win - not saying they don’t, truly don’t know. I think OSU gets the name recognition bump but to me it’s an “easy” choice because Washington has to play a game against a top-5 team while the Buckeyes sit at home.
 
And unfortunately I think this whole discussion won’t matter because UGA will win Saturday.
Completely agree. I honestly don’t think it’ll be close.

So let’s do this one for fun.

Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, Louisville, OKST are the winners.

Ohio State or Washington?

Washington - PAC regular season champs, undefeated regular season and beat Oregon.
Would you feel the same way if Oregon beats Washington by double digits? OSU lost to the #2 team by 6 points - and it was competitive until the last drive. If Washington gets boatraced and loses by double digits, I can see OSU moving into that #4 spot. Assuming GA, MI both win and FSU loses.

Probably, because Washington already beat Oregon - OSU beat who, Notre Dame and PSU? I think the consensus from just about everyone is that the PAC was maybe the best conference this year even above the SEC. I honestly don’t know the best B1G OOC win - not saying they don’t, truly don’t know. I think OSU gets the name recognition bump but to me it’s an “easy” choice because Washington has to play a game against a top-5 team while the Buckeyes sit at home.
OSU over Notre Dame, most likely
 
I’m no betting sharp but Washington +9 tonight? I don’t get it.
They could easily have 4 losses this year. It is TCU from last year and they are playing a team better than them tonight. 9 is still a lot of points but I just bet Oregon to cover.
Oregon does have a loss and should have probably lost to Texas Tech but I know that was quite some time ago. I guess I don’t really see Washington beating 3 ranked teams in a row and then their in-state rival as “struggling”. I would lean Oregon but thought the line would maybe be a field goal or less. That being said, I’ve proven many times how little I know…..
They should have lost to Arizona State at home. ASU was up 5 and driving in Washington territory when they threw a pass to endzone where Washington player interferred and ref threw a flag. Obvious PI. Refs circled up and then picked up flag. ASU at a minimum gets a FG there to go up 8. Just out of FG range they go for it on 4th and 4 and Washington gets a pick 6. So lucky, just like all year with refs. They didn't score an offensive touchdown against ASU at home, same team Oregon was up 42-0 at half.
 
And unfortunately I think this whole discussion won’t matter because UGA will win Saturday.
Completely agree. I honestly don’t think it’ll be close.

So let’s do this one for fun.

Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, Louisville, OKST are the winners.

Ohio State or Washington?

Washington - PAC regular season champs, undefeated regular season and beat Oregon.
Would you feel the same way if Oregon beats Washington by double digits? OSU lost to the #2 team by 6 points - and it was competitive until the last drive. If Washington gets boatraced and loses by double digits, I can see OSU moving into that #4 spot. Assuming GA, MI both win and FSU loses.

Probably, because Washington already beat Oregon - OSU beat who, Notre Dame and PSU? I think the consensus from just about everyone is that the PAC was maybe the best conference this year even above the SEC. I honestly don’t know the best B1G OOC win - not saying they don’t, truly don’t know. I think OSU gets the name recognition bump but to me it’s an “easy” choice because Washington has to play a game against a top-5 team while the Buckeyes sit at home.
ESPN has OSU with the #6 SOS and Washington with the #46 SOS. I'm not saying that's the end all be all method, but beside name recognition, OSU has that going for them. I have no idea how the committee will lean, but I think it would be a toss up between OSU and Washington in this scenario, and I wouldn't be mad with either choice.

Now if Oregon loses and FSU loses, then I think OSU is a toss up with Texas to get in - again, assuming GA and MI win. CFP Committee has never taken a 2 loss team into the playoffs, and Texas (ranked #13 SOS) is currently behind OSU in their last rankings. But if Texas loses, then I think we'll see OSU sneak into the playoffs again.

Lots of ifs there....but thats why they play the games.
 
FSU likely will be down to Brock Glenn tomorrow. Good news is he is undoubtedly more talented than Tate. Bad news is 6 months in the system vs 4 years.
 
If Washington gets boatraced and loses by double digits, I can see OSU moving into that #4 spot. Assuming GA, MI both win and FSU loses
Yeah at that point they may look most at "best loss" and use that as their reasoning. Of course if Washington loses on a last second field goal then I would expect them to get the nod instead.
 
ND has a big defection problem on its hands. Freeman fired Stuckey earlier this week and sounds like he was too late for some, but the few who liked Stuckey are also now bailing.

ND is down to 4 scholarship WRs after today's defections. It's down 9 players so far to the portal, but right this moment only has 2 healthy scholarship WRs to play a bowl game (Greathouse & Faison). Yikes.
 
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