Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
What's the odds of that, lol.
Looking forward to what LaPorta can add to the passing game. Rookie TEs are notorious slow starters but maybe he can be something this year.
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2023 Detroit Lions: Draft: Detroit has a new Gibby, another Campbell. An Iowa TE again and picked up some Branches and a Hooker. (3 Viewers)
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Looking forward to what LaPorta can add to the passing game. Rookie TEs are notorious slow starters but maybe he can be something this year.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Todays travel is so different. I remember when Lions played at Miami a few years back. Lions played Miami at 1pm, at 7:30pm I saw Jeff Backus at the CVS by our house. Probably buying some Advil.
The road games now the plane ready to depart as soon as the team arrives.
Martin was a reach. LaPorta was not really a reach. Lions needed a pass catching TE and if they wanted him they had to take him there as he would have been taken soon after.
LoL...Judging by the reactions to the pick in this thread it was. Mayer was better. Why are we picking a TE? Nobody had a favorable thing to say about the pick.
I really loved our first five picks. Not sold on Martin yet, but if he plays a significant role in the rotation, I am good with the pick. The Lions knew the guys they wanted and moved around to make sure they got them. They all do sound good interviews.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Does not matter the reactions on this board. LaPorta was projected to be a second rd pick and that where he was drafted. Most teams had Mayer before him but he still would have been gone to another team in the second round so technically it was not a reach.
If anything Campbell was more of a reach as most pundits had him going in the second rd.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I don’t [know] which movie/show to attribute this to - saw it while cruising around titles on Netflix or another streaming service, the auto play started the trailer.
(character is giving someone a tour of the office, stops at the legal department)
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Hey what’s legalese for “you’re a complete idiot”?
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I find it easier to keep people on ignore rather than explain basic logic, point out common fallacies, and reiterate simple tenets that have been previously stated. I don’t know how some of y’all do it but thanks. I don’t have the patience to engage but I’m grateful many of you are up for it. You are (collectively) a better person than myself in that regard.
Feels better for my mental health to just shrug & move on. Some things just aren’t worth burning ten calories over.
(character is giving someone a tour of the office, stops at the legal department)
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Hey what’s legalese for “you’re a complete idiot”?
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(from lawyer character)
***pause*** You have no ability to grasp basic concepts.
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I find it easier to keep people on ignore rather than explain basic logic, point out common fallacies, and reiterate simple tenets that have been previously stated. I don’t know how some of y’all do it but thanks. I don’t have the patience to engage but I’m grateful many of you are up for it. You are (collectively) a better person than myself in that regard.
Feels better for my mental health to just shrug & move on. Some things just aren’t worth burning ten calories over.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Agreed, I searched for “Mayer” under “this thread” and looked at all the draft night discussion. It’s not that anyone was banging the table for the ND TE, it’s just that 100% of Big Boards had him higher. Went with the next pick. Musgrave was betwixt them in consensus ranks.
Mayer had an insane blocking grade - on mobile but IIRC it was around 90, whereas LaPorta was in the mid-50s. The Iowa TE also had a lot of drops in college. Can’t block & drops (+ not wanting to pay him) were why we moved on from the last guy. But he does move like a WR, he looks nothing like any TE we’ve had running routes from the Slot.
I like him personality wise. His YAC is intriguing, that’s one thing we never got from Hock. We’ll see how it works out. Nobody knows.
Campbell is growing
All of the first four picks are going to contribute Y1. Branch has the hardest path (bc of depth) to earn snaps but he is so instinctual. Guy is always in the right place, literally never misses a tackle.
I don’t think LaPorta has a big year statistically bc it’s just a really complex transition. Even guys like Andrews and Kittle were meh as rookies. But long term he should work out.
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Obviously you are not ignoring it by making a long response. Instead of declaring me an idiot for not following the conventional wisdom of the experts, why not wait and see how these picks work out? I completely understand the logic of why the Lions moved on from players like Swift and Hock. LaPorta was a replacement for a guy with similar skill set because Hock never bought into the culture Campbell was trying to create. None of the TE we had were weapons and Dan Campbell wanted one despite the fact he just got rid of one. You may want to pound your head in the wall, but it is you who are not getting it. Instead you want to drown in analytics which doesn't take character issues, culture, and other circumstances into account. Just wait and see and stop the hate.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Hate? Not sure where you get hate from Bobby just stating facts. If Lions had taken Mayer or Musgrave you would be saying the same thing. " Lions got their guy" I get it ,you are drinking the Blue Kool-Aid right now. I want to drink it too! But lets make a playoff run first.
Biggest need that has to be taken care of is a backup QB. Either Teddy or Foles. If Goff has to miss any time the season is over before it starts.
I see the Lions draft board as very thin. The Lions look at consensus ranking but they also have intel on other teams who are interested at players on the Lions board. Brad maneuvers around targeting very specific players at very specific spots. I believe Brad specifically targetted both LaPorta and Campbell and felt LaPorta had the best chance to fall. We have had several GMs who shallowly look at consensus rankings in the past and draft accordingly and the results were terrible. Brad takes a much deeper dive and has a comprehensive overall draft strategy which is yielding a far higher success rate than the Lions have ever seen.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I think we all agree on the backup QB. One year should bridge the gap until Hooker is ready for action.
Probably the analogies with "complete idiot”, "ignore", point out "common fallacies", and "reiterate simple tenets"....were not based in respect and love. Yeah, I have some blind faith in Brad, because he has completely earned that. I understand what he is doing and why some moves that don't make any sense to the outside observers (Swift and Hock) were vital in building the type of team they want....winners.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
binary is the only mode he know
- 1/0
- Y/N
- on/off
- best/worst
- simp/hater
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
How did Gibby get hurt already?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It's football. Stuff happens.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Oh really? So that automatically means this guy is the same?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Tweaked an ankle. Nothing serious at all, just being cautious with their new sports car.
Branch sat out a day or two as well. They're trying to evaluate a
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Detroit Lions to host Jacksonville Jaguars for joint practices
The Detroit Lions will host two different teams for joint practices during 2023 training camp: the New York Giants and Jacksonville Jaguars.
Like this a lot. Adds another layer of intensity to TC practices. Especially like that both our joint practices are fellow risers in the Power Rankings. Similar arc for all three, positive cultural change preceded by hiring a competent & well-respected coach.
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They're operating with a lot of intentionality over in Allen Park. Everything geared toward getting just a little bit more out of the players this year. Quite the evolution, eh?
The Detroit Lions will host two different teams for joint practices during 2023 training camp: the New York Giants and Jacksonville Jaguars.
Like this a lot. Adds another layer of intensity to TC practices. Especially like that both our joint practices are fellow risers in the Power Rankings. Similar arc for all three, positive cultural change preceded by hiring a competent & well-respected coach.
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They're operating with a lot of intentionality over in Allen Park. Everything geared toward getting just a little bit more out of the players this year. Quite the evolution, eh?
- "The Bar is HIGH."
MFer sit down you don't know ****. Assclowns probably meant the 3Fifty Lounge. - "9-7 ain't good enough."
Biatch you barely won nine games in three years. Please leave. No...no, I will not give you a letter of....you on crazy pills? We are never speaking your name again. - "You might knock us down but we're getting back up, and we're gonna take piece out of you when we do."
Damn. Dayum, Dan. Go on! Wait...there's two of you? Y'all are both positive af AND you know what you're doing? Where are my pills? Momma put Hybrid Theory back on stuff is happening.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Hope not.
The rap on Swift is that he could not catch, did not play hurt, did not hit holes, left yardage of the field.
When Campbell said there are not turds here, the way they discarded Hock, Swift and Okuda probably indicated that they fell into the turd category. All of them had talents, but none of them put the effort in to become great.
When Campbell said there are not turds here, the way they discarded Hock, Swift and Okuda probably indicated that they fell into the turd category. All of them had talents, but none of them put the effort in to become great.
Foosball God
Foos
Swift couldn't catch? Where'd that come from? The only things about Swift that I heard were vision and injury.
Same... never heard, nor saw in my view, the hands being an issue. Just vision/poor decisions with the ball in his hands, and health.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
He only had 3 dropped passes last season.
Also if you're going to bring up the 70 targets with only 48 receptions you should probably mention the other years where he had 57 targets with 46 receptions and 78 targets with 62 receptions.
Maybe he did not respond that well to Duce being in his ear. But he was sitting on the bench a lot the last part of the season while healthy. They did not like him out there for some reason. He could very well work out in Philly.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
yeah other than dropping the game winner in first NFL game I don't remember him having bad hands
his catch rate did drop from 80% to 68% last year but drop rate was only 5.7%
(90%+ isn't unheard of for RBs as dump offs and screens are often uncontested)
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, and there are some really good metal covers of it on YouTube. But what does it have to do with the Lions, are they looking for a new fight song?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Brother man we've 16 weeks and 2 days until we shock the world at Arrowhead. We're probably overdue for a deep dive discussion of Spring versus No Leaf Clover.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
lol obviously was tired last and got my threads mixed up. Looking now, for some reason had 2 FBG tabs up on two different threads.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It's like the Tiger's Justin Henry Malloy. Get rid of some old tired player and put this guy in if only for the cooler name. 🏈 ⚾
Moonlight
Footballguy
They need a find a way to bring him up.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, this team's offense can be downright offensive. Find a position or put him in at DH.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Imagine missing out on Hutchinson bc of ping pong balls.
Lotteries are stupid.
Lotteries are stupid.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
5 straight years the team with the worst record will not pick #1.
Moonlight
Footballguy
there was so much blatant tanking going on for so long by the Pistons it was hard to keep watching. Fans are upset of course to go through that and end up with the fifth pick. But there’s some justice to it.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Damn KC stealing our spotlight with their stupid perfect season.
Just a pet peeve on horrible use of statistics.....That is an overly simplistic and incorrect way to project final records. For instance, just because the Cardinals are underdogs in all 17 games does not mean they are expected to go 0-17. What should be done is to look at the point spread of each game, and based on historical averages of that point spread assign the probability of them winning each game. For instances, let's say that the Cardinals are 7 point dogs in each game which historically means they have a 25 percent chance of winning. Then over 17 games, they would still be expected to go 4-13....not 0-17.
Foosball God
Foos
72% of all statistics are made up anyway.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
One of the handful of teams that have in worse lottery luck than the Pistons? The Red Wings.
60% of the time it works every time.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Everyone understands that. It’s lighthearted & farcical.
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I would not say everyone. A couple of the most famous Lions Podcaster on YouTube could not reconsile why the Lions were favored in 12 games, but their over under for wins was just 10. They contemplated looking at teams with the biggest differential and betting. Most people are easily fooled by stats.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Last 5 times Vikings have won 10+ games, most they’ve won the following season is 8.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions are 25th in positional spending for DL. Looking around various services for DL rankings, consensus puts them at 21st-23rd.
Hutch, Alim, Houston (maybe), and a lot of bodies. Maybe one or two of Harris, R Okwara, Onwuzurike, or Paschal stays healthy.Maybe Cominsky truly is born again. Buggs is a run stuffer but doesn't offer anything on passing downs. Martin is a 2-year project, way too upright and lacks functional strength.
The LB got serious injection and we have four new DBs (3 FA + rookie) who lift the floor of that room considerably. But we all know the key to good defense is setting the edge (hello, Carolina game) and getting consistent pressure. Just have a nagging feeling we will regret not investing more. Look at virtually all of the Top Ten DL teams and what they do in drafts; they often walk out with 3-4 new DL, even when their starters are solid. Deep rotations of truly talented players. IDK, that group worries me more than any other position. Roster is solid overall.
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Hutch, Alim, Houston (maybe), and a lot of bodies. Maybe one or two of Harris, R Okwara, Onwuzurike, or Paschal stays healthy.Maybe Cominsky truly is born again. Buggs is a run stuffer but doesn't offer anything on passing downs. Martin is a 2-year project, way too upright and lacks functional strength.
The LB got serious injection and we have four new DBs (3 FA + rookie) who lift the floor of that room considerably. But we all know the key to good defense is setting the edge (hello, Carolina game) and getting consistent pressure. Just have a nagging feeling we will regret not investing more. Look at virtually all of the Top Ten DL teams and what they do in drafts; they often walk out with 3-4 new DL, even when their starters are solid. Deep rotations of truly talented players. IDK, that group worries me more than any other position. Roster is solid overall.
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PFF invited me to beta test a season simulator. You are given the existing roster, and once it's fully functional, adjust lineups and can even tweak player grades. But the latter two haven't been rolled out yet, so all I can do is simulate seasons with whatever the default setup is.
Frustrating bc with the default settings, LaPorta is being woefully underutilized, and Jamo is a complete flop.
My first 4 simulations:
Frustrating bc with the default settings, LaPorta is being woefully underutilized, and Jamo is a complete flop.
My first 4 simulations:
- 5-12, total disaster. Started out 2-6 and it never got better.
- 9-8 - was rolling along at 8-4 then heartbreakingly lost 4 of the last 5 to finish 9-8.
- 13-4 - started out 9-1, never lost more than 2 in a row. Goff 4600 33-12, ARSB 115-1350 7, Gibby & Monty 2300 13 TDs and 80 receptions. Jamo flops but MJJ steps up, Josh is a RZ monster.¿
- 9-8 - Goff 4500 28-7, MJJ has a better season than ARSB, Jamo flops, LaPorta nothing, Monty & Gibby 2200 YFS 18 TDs
