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To me, the Giants prettymuch tipped their hand by trading JPP - they aren't win now, and will take a qb. 

We're getting QB#3, but they'll say he was their top guy all along (and even show us a pic of the draft board with him on top). It's all good - we're getting a top rookie qb, and I'm psyched, no matter who it is - Rosen, Allen, or Mayfield.

 
Personally, I like them

1. Darnold

2. Rosen

3. Allen

4. Mayfield

Of course, I'm no expert so I have to put my limited faith in the guys whose jobs are on the line over this decision.  It would be truly remarkable if the Jets got it right for once.  As a 40+ year fan, I have a glimmer of hope trying to overcome a mountain of scar tissue.  

 
To me, the Giants prettymuch tipped their hand by trading JPP - they aren't win now, and will take a qb. 

We're getting QB#3, but they'll say he was their top guy all along (and even show us a pic of the draft board with him on top). It's all good - we're getting a top rookie qb, and I'm psyched, no matter who it is - Rosen, Allen, or Mayfield.
I thought they tipped their hand too by trading JPP...and plan on taking Chubb to replace him.

 
I don't remember the Giants and Jets both drafting QBs in the 1st. If it happens, both QBs will forever be linked together and compared to each other. It would be quite interesting.

 
I thought they tipped their hand too by trading JPP...and plan on taking Chubb to replace him.
That doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like JPP was all that old, and he had a solid year, and looks like he's (finally) on the upswing. So you get a free third to replace him, at the expense of drafting a qb or Barkley? That would be an awful move.  

 
That doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like JPP was all that old, and he had a solid year, and looks like he's (finally) on the upswing. So you get a free third to replace him, at the expense of drafting a qb or Barkley? That would be an awful move.  
You'd also save $3MM on the cap this year and $15MM next year - but I agree in general.

 
That doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like JPP was all that old, and he had a solid year, and looks like he's (finally) on the upswing. So you get a free third to replace him, at the expense of drafting a qb or Barkley? That would be an awful move.  
I think a lot of it is about dumping a huge contract on a player not worth it anymore.

 
I don't remember the Giants and Jets both drafting QBs in the 1st. If it happens, both QBs will forever be linked together and compared to each other. It would be quite interesting.
I'm sure Cimini and Mehta have already drafted a series of articles where they just interchange the names depending on who is drafted.

 
I'm waiting to hear on what happened with the visits from Hurns and EJ Gaines today. If they sign Gaines, then Skrine is a goner. If they don't get Hurns, my guess is that they get Pryor.

 
As a CLE fan who has had to spend plenty of time trying to figure out foolish moves, I am absolutely perplexed as to what the hell your mgmt was thinking making that trade to 3. 

You either have someone who is risking their career on the fact the Giants are 100% taking Chubb, or a level of incompetence I haven't even seen as a Browns fan. 

 
As a CLE fan who has had to spend plenty of time trying to figure out foolish moves, I am absolutely perplexed as to what the hell your mgmt was thinking making that trade to 3. 

You either have someone who is risking their career on the fact the Giants are 100% taking Chubb, or a level of incompetence I haven't even seen as a Browns fan. 
It's not quantum physics. The Jets want to get one of the top 3 QBs and this trade assures them that they get one of them. If they sit back, they may not even get the 4th guy.  I believe they have them ranked Rosen,slightly ahead of Allen and Darnold with a gap back to Mayfield at #4.  If you can't trade up to #1 and #2, then you get #3.  If anyone thinks they traded up to #3 without trying to get #1 or #2, they are fooling themselves.

 
As a CLE fan who has had to spend plenty of time trying to figure out foolish moves, I am absolutely perplexed as to what the hell your mgmt was thinking making that trade to 3. 

You either have someone who is risking their career on the fact the Giants are 100% taking Chubb, or a level of incompetence I haven't even seen as a Browns fan. 
How can you be a Browns fan and not watch them?

 
It's not quantum physics. The Jets want to get one of the top 3 QBs 
Ya, it's not up for debate it's for a QB. 

But to give ALL that up for the leftover of any of your top 3 ranked QBs, just seems so foolish to me. It feels so lazy. 

 
As a CLE fan who has had to spend plenty of time trying to figure out foolish moves, I am absolutely perplexed as to what the hell your mgmt was thinking making that trade to 3. 

You either have someone who is risking their career on the fact the Giants are 100% taking Chubb, or a level of incompetence I haven't even seen as a Browns fan. 
When the Jets get your crush Mayfield and Terrelle Pryor to join with your boy Crowell, you're welcome to jump aboard the bandwagon.

The trade to 3 has been discussed ad nauseum. Feel free to read the prior posts. It wasn't ideal, but if it works out, it won't matter.

 
When the Jets get your crush Mayfield and Terrelle Pryor to join with your boy Crowell, you're welcome to jump aboard the bandwagon.

The trade to 3 has been discussed ad nauseum. Feel free to read the prior posts. It wasn't ideal, but if it works out, it won't matter.
Nah, he can never leave Josh Gordon behind.

 
I like them

1. Rosen

2. Mayfield

3. Darnold

4. Jackson

5. I'll list Allen 5 but don't like him at all.


Jackson is the one that Really intrigues me.... The guy Miami or Buffalo might just have fall in their laps....

The guy nobody will want to face.... The guy that you could probably have drafted AND had 3 more 2nd rounders..

 
It's only a workout, but I thought Allen looked damn good.

So Hurns went to Dallas. I guess we preferred Pryor since he was most similar to Anderson (when he gets suspended).

We picked up Andre Roberts, the WR, but I guess for his return skills.

We have offered a contract to Suh. 

 
It's only a workout, but I thought Allen looked damn good.

So Hurns went to Dallas. I guess we preferred Pryor since he was most similar to Anderson (when he gets suspended).

We picked up Andre Roberts, the WR, but I guess for his return skills.

We have offered a contract to Suh. 
I watched Allen as well and agree.  He looked great and zips the ball effortlessly.  

 
According to ESPN Giants reporter Jordan Raanan, USC's Sam Darnold is the only quarterback the Giants would take at the No. 2 overall pick.

It sounds like the Giants' scouting grades on Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, and Josh Allen simply aren't high enough for GM Dave Gettleman to consider picking one of the non-Darnold quarterbacks at No. 2. Gettleman has a history of drafting running backs high -- he took Christian McCaffrey eighth overall in Carolina last year -- and he never traded down in any round of the draft during four seasons as Panthers GM. Barring Gettleman disregarding his scouts or reversing course on his historical anti-trade-down stance, Penn State RB Saquon Barkley and NC State DE/OLB Bradley Chubb appear to be co-favorites to go at No. 2

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I hope this is true, but I doubt the Giants would leak this so it's like speculation.

 
And a couple may even be good.
Maybe. You've got Enunwa who is decent, but coming off serious injury. You have Anderson that is pretty good, but a trainwreck off the field and possibly facing suspension. Pryor had a good season 2 years ago, but has a lot to prove coming off last year's injury and terrible season. After that we have last year's rookies:Stewart and Hansen. Um.....then it gets a lot worse if that's possible.

 
You don’t hear about offers being rescinded too often.

Jets probably made the best offer Suh has received and his camp was dangling it in front of the team he actually wants to go to? 

This doesn’t seem like the kind of guy you want around a young team. 

 
According to ESPN Giants reporter Jordan Raanan, USC's Sam Darnold is the only quarterback the Giants would take at the No. 2 overall pick.

It sounds like the Giants' scouting grades on Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, and Josh Allen simply aren't high enough for GM Dave Gettleman to consider picking one of the non-Darnold quarterbacks at No. 2. Gettleman has a history of drafting running backs high -- he took Christian McCaffrey eighth overall in Carolina last year -- and he never traded down in any round of the draft during four seasons as Panthers GM. Barring Gettleman disregarding his scouts or reversing course on his historical anti-trade-down stance, Penn State RB Saquon Barkley and NC State DE/OLB Bradley Chubb appear to be co-favorites to go at No. 2

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I hope this is true, but I doubt the Giants would leak this so it's like speculation.
Yeah, not this close to the draft but an owner can slip up no matter how much he backtracks.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/john-mara-giants-nfl-draft-1.17667234

John Mara says Giants keeping options open with No. 2 pick in draft

— When it comes to making the transition from one franchise quarterback to the next, the gold standard is the green-and-gold standard.

I always admired the way the Packers handled it with Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers,” Giants co-owner John Mara said Sunday.

...the No. 2 pick in the draft is an important pick that can have a huge effect on the future of this franchise. So you have to make the right decision.”

It could even replicate the Packers’ scenario of a decade ago. That worked out football-wise, of course, but it created a lot of friction and hard feelings between the organization, the quarterbacks and the fans of the team who were loyal to Favre.

There was a huge outcry when Manning was benched for one game last season. Drafting his eventual replacement — not a possible replacement such as Davis Webb or Ryan Nassib, but an undisputed replacement — could create similar rancor in and around the franchise.

“I think that’s often times unavoidable in this sport,” Mara said. “You have to make decisions that are in the long-term best interest of the franchise. If some feelings get hurt, you try not to do that, but if they do, they do.”

 
Glad to not have Suh anywhere in NY. Johnson was not part of the initial offer, but was part of rescinding, so there is some thought that he overruled McCagnan and Bowles. Bowles was not part of the rescinding conversation.
 “Saying I stepped in is somewhat overstating the case,” Johnson said. “In discussion with Mike, looking into what our plan is, it became apparent to the two of us that this just didn’t work.”
“I had a lot of discussion with Mike about this,” Johnson said. ” … That’s where I have to leave it.”

 
Good move by Johnson.  What is MM doing making that offer to begin with?  Please stop trying to just "win now" while claiming it's a rebuild because you traded up to take a QB.  More disconnect amongst coaching staff/front office/ownership/long term planning.

 
You don’t hear about offers being rescinded too often.

Jets probably made the best offer Suh has received and his camp was dangling it in front of the team he actually wants to go to? 

This doesn’t seem like the kind of guy you want around a young team. 
I think that's what happened - they were being used as leverage and wanted no part of it so publically rescinded the offer.

While he's still a disruptive force that would make the defense better I do think it was foolish offer in the first place for a young team.

 
It was obvious that Suh was using the Jets for leverage when he didn't take a trip to NY. He said something like it wasn't necessary since he had already spoken to Bowles.

McCags probably felt, why not, worth taking a shot.

Chris Johnson is already light years better than Woody.  I liked that he pulled the offer. He knew that we were getting played. He probably didn't like that it was leaked since the Jets are usually tight-lipped. Anyway, Suh didn't fit in with this team. We have a bunch of young guys that like playing together.  Keep the chemistry going. Even Miami couldn't wait to get rid of Suh.

On another note, a scout said that the Browns love Allen (we also heard this a while back) and are only using the Darnold talk as leverage to get the Giants to trade up a spot. If the Brown take Allen, that would help Rosen fall to us.

 
Good thing they moved up from 6 if they only had 6-7 players in mind. Another thing we learned Todd Bowels is not good at, math.
Truthfully, I think there are seven players who are above the rest (4 QBs, Chubb, Q Nelson and Barkley).  Now, if they do not like 2+ of those seven, it makes sense that they moved up.  But even then, why move up to 3 when you could have moved up to 5?  So odd...

 
Truthfully, I think there are seven players who are above the rest (4 QBs, Chubb, Q Nelson and Barkley).  Now, if they do not like 2+ of those seven, it makes sense that they moved up.  But even then, why move up to 3 when you could have moved up to 5?  So odd...
They are 100% certainly taking a QB, Bowles just thinks he's being coy when it just makes him look even more foolish.

 
Is there really a worse HC when it comes to press conferences and the media than Bowles?  I mean we go from one extreme in Rex who was basically a stand up PT Barnum schil to a guy who makes Bellichick look like a comedian and some of the stuff he says is truly mind boggling....I really hate that the team is built for a good run with him as HC....I truly think he will hold the team back in big spots....hoping Bates develops into a guru and gets more clout - maybe even pushing Bowles out in a year....I can dream cant I!  

 
Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said Jets QB Teddy Bridgewater "still has some recovery to do."

Zimmer said he liked how Bridgewater looked in practice late last season, but the medical team had a different evaluation. "The reports I'd get back from the medical people weren't as positive as I was about it," Zimmer said. "It was, as a long-term thing, to be nervous about. It was out of my hands." The issues explain why Bridgewater had to settle for a one-year deal with only $500,000 guaranteed during free agency. Bridgewater was non-committal about being ready for OTAs.
Feeling less and less certain the Bridgewater is even going to be on the opening day roster. I feel real bad for him, but as far as the Jets are concerned with them assuredly taking a rookie QB in the top 3, it's not a huge loss. Let McCown start the season and work the rookie in. Heck, maybe even keep Hackenberg as the third string QB and pray he develops into at least a capable backup.

 
Is there really a worse HC when it comes to press conferences and the media than Bowles?  I mean we go from one extreme in Rex who was basically a stand up PT Barnum schil to a guy who makes Bellichick look like a comedian and some of the stuff he says is truly mind boggling....I really hate that the team is built for a good run with him as HC....I truly think he will hold the team back in big spots....hoping Bates develops into a guru and gets more clout - maybe even pushing Bowles out in a year....I can dream cant I!  
It's amazing - when's the last no nonsense, just #### and do your job as a coach personality we've had running the team?  Parcells??  Herm - clown.  Mangini - robot wannabe Belichick clone.  Rex - clown.  Bowles - some different type of buffoonery we haven't seen before coming from a Bunny Colvin clone.  Can't wait to see what kind of clownshow comes next.

Why can't they ever just.....do things normal?  Jets.  Mets.  Islanders.  Knicks.  All the same organization, playing different sports.

The idiocy that Bowles spewed from his mouth almost makes you rather him just mumble and bumble his way through any questions with typical coachspeak.  Lack of awareness/foresite/coyness, whatever, is to me a massive intelligence flaw.  Say what you want about any of these guys - I don't think you're going to find very many successful NFL head coaches that aren't overall above average intellectually.  There's just too many things to manage and analyze (especially in game, where we've seen Bowles make his most glaring mistakes) for someone of below average or worse intellectual capacity to process effectively.  He's feeling more and more like a guy that was once a good defensive X's and O's guys that, like many of our past hires, was right place right time, and is now faltering at the ability to manage the rest of an organization in its entirety.  Glad he's been extended.

 
It's amazing - when's the last no nonsense, just #### and do your job as a coach personality we've had running the team?  Parcells??  Herm - clown.  Mangini - robot wannabe Belichick clone.  Rex - clown.  Bowles - some different type of buffoonery we haven't seen before coming from a Bunny Colvin clone.  Can't wait to see what kind of clownshow comes next.

Why can't they ever just.....do things normal?  Jets.  Mets.  Islanders.  Knicks.  All the same organization, playing different sports.

The idiocy that Bowles spewed from his mouth almost makes you rather him just mumble and bumble his way through any questions with typical coachspeak.  Lack of awareness/foresite/coyness, whatever, is to me a massive intelligence flaw.  Say what you want about any of these guys - I don't think you're going to find very many successful NFL head coaches that aren't overall above average intellectually.  There's just too many things to manage and analyze (especially in game, where we've seen Bowles make his most glaring mistakes) for someone of below average or worse intellectual capacity to process effectively.  He's feeling more and more like a guy that was once a good defensive X's and O's guys that, like many of our past hires, was right place right time, and is now faltering at the ability to manage the rest of an organization in its entirety.  Glad he's been extended.
The 3 glaring holes as to the Jets over the yrs explains why they have been so poor - I have faith that they can hit on a QB and Mac has potential as GM but Bowles I am just not convinced....

QB - When Chad Pennington is the best QB developed in 30 yrs thats a huge problem. 

HC - Your post made me go back in horror of Jet history - Bowles, Rex, Herm, Groh, Kotite, Carroll (only decent HC in the group so of course he was fired after 1 yr lol), Coslet, Walton, Michaels - an absolutely awful group - of course Parcells/Belichick (only few days as HC) are the exceptions and is it no shock that Parcells has zero interest in reflecting on his Jet days and couldnt wait to get out of there - Bellichick the same....HC in NFL is crucial and this is brutal.  

GM - **** Steinberg (got sick soon after taking over); **** Haley (let Wolf/Favre leave by going with him); Kotite (they really gave this guy HC and GM roles? ); Parcells (awful GM); Bradaway (terrible); Tanny (in the midst of wrecking his 2d franchise) and Mac who by defauly is decent compared to his predecessors.... 

 
The 3 glaring holes as to the Jets over the yrs explains why they have been so poor - I have faith that they can hit on a QB and Mac has potential as GM but Bowles I am just not convinced....

QB - When Chad Pennington is the best QB developed in 30 yrs thats a huge problem. 

HC - Your post made me go back in horror of Jet history - Bowles, Rex, Herm, Groh, Kotite, Carroll (only decent HC in the group so of course he was fired after 1 yr lol), Coslet, Walton, Michaels - an absolutely awful group - of course Parcells/Belichick (only few days as HC) are the exceptions and is it no shock that Parcells has zero interest in reflecting on his Jet days and couldnt wait to get out of there - Bellichick the same....HC in NFL is crucial and this is brutal.  

GM - **** Steinberg (got sick soon after taking over); **** Haley (let Wolf/Favre leave by going with him); Kotite (they really gave this guy HC and GM roles? ); Parcells (awful GM); Bradaway (terrible); Tanny (in the midst of wrecking his 2d franchise) and Mac who by defauly is decent compared to his predecessors.... 
You forgot the Idzik Wonderyears!

Something that always stuck out to me was that when Bradway was fired as GM, he was retained for OVER A DECADE as a front office personnel exec!  The guy wasn't good enough, why does he not only stay within your organization, but fail in the process time and time again in his evaluation of draft prospects.  The guy survived 2 different GMs and coaching changes, and it was only when Mac came in that he was finally dumped.  Thankfully I'm a Rangers fan, but you see the same nonsensical crap done with the Islanders keeping back up goalie Garth Snow around as GM for over a decade when he's done literally nothing positive for that franchise - simply because he seemingly came with the franchise, like a ####### equipment manager.  Or the Mets bringing back Terry Collins in an internal role, Omar Minaya, etc.  THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH THE FIRST TIME, STOP RECYCLING THEM AND EXPECTIN DIFFERENT RESULTS.  This is ALWAYS an ownership issue at the end of the day with these dog#### franchises.

 
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You forgot the Idzik Wonderyears!

Something that always stuck out to me was that when Bradway was fired as GM, he was retained for OVER A DECADE as a front office personnel exec!  The guy wasn't good enough, why does he not only stay within your organization, but fail in the process time and time again in his evaluation of draft prospects.  The guy survived 2 different GMs and coaching changes, and it was only when Mac came in that he was finally dumped.  Thankfully I'm a Rangers fan, but you see the same nonsensical crap done with the Islanders keeping back up goalie Garth Snow around as GM for over a decade when he's done literally nothing positive for that franchise - simply because he seemingly came with the franchise, like a ####### equipment manager.  Or the Mets bringing back Terry Collins in an internal role, Omar Minaya, etc.  THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH THE FIRST TIME, STOP RECYCLING THEM AND EXPECTIN DIFFERENT RESULTS.  This is ALWAYS an ownership issue at the end of the day with these dog#### franchises.
I could not agree more. I'm also a Mets and Knicks fan. The Rangers have had a good run, but don't forget about Sather signing all kinds of terrible free agents early on and they giving away first rounders like it was candy.

It's amazing how these guys keep getting regurgitated.

Bowles is horrible. The one time he finally says something, it's completely idiotic.

Anyway, like Sweet Love said above, Chubb and Barkley are great prospects. Perhaps Fitzpatrick, but not so sure. That would make 6-7 true targets to choose from, but everyone knows it's for a QB. I just hope Bowles has no say in the draft choosing process. Ugh.

Like Kiddnets said above, we really do have a history of bad management. I loved Rex at first, but you quickly saw through it to see that he was a blowhard. Herm? omg, an embarrassment.  Mangenius? Maybe our best coach outside BP, but another guy not great as a spokesman. I don't even want to think about  Kotite or several others. Our potential best coach stole money and went to our rival to form a dynasty.

GM? mostly terrible, too.  We have really had terrible luck and mismanagement.

 
You're absolutely right about the Rangers point - Sather has done a lot of mismanaging, some of which they're still paying for.  When they instituted the salary cap and Dolan took a step back, it forced the Rangers to start develop a little bit of home grown talent again.  That coinciding with Lundqvist's arrival made for a competitive core that always forced Sather to return to his old ways of trying to find the missing piece with the aging overpaid FA/trade acquisition.  Lundqvist being there has allowed the kind of safety net of mistake to keep the franchise competitive, not unlike a real QB would have/will as the Jets continue to mismanage themselves into the next regime.

 
OMG how could I forget the great Idzik?  What other team could have 12 draft picks and not make 1 move to trade up and eventually have 1 player on the team from that amt of picks a mere 3-4 yrs later.....including a top 10 pick and 2 other top 20 picks!  

 
OMG how could I forget the great Idzik?  What other team could have 12 draft picks and not make 1 move to trade up and eventually have 1 player on the team from that amt of picks a mere 3-4 yrs later.....including a top 10 pick and 2 other top 20 picks!  
Probably the worst GM we’ve had - and that’s saying something. On top of his horrific draft record he also sat on a huge pile of cap space just to spite Rex and make it easier to fire him. Thankfully he also cost himself the job with that crap.

 
Starting to feel some Optimism and a ground swelling of "We're not Getting Josh Allen" In Jets world......

Of course that could just be setting me up for the inevitable.......... 

 
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