2023 Philadelphia Eagles - Complete waste of a season finally comes to an end. (2 Viewers)

[unckeyherb]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

I obviously want them to take Bijan. If they trade up (or wait) and get Jalen Carter I won’t be let down. There should be enough talent at 10 that I probably won’t be upset (although I’m out on Skoronski). If Howie trades out for future picks I’ll be annoyed. We’ve got a very good, young squad, so I don’t think we will be in the position to draft top 10 for many years.

That’s really why I think they should take Bijan-that level of talent won’t be available to them over the next few years.

 

[unckeyherb]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

 

[ProstheticRGK]

#10- trade to TBB FOR #19
#19- Nolan Smith
#30- Adebawore, DT from Northwestern

 

[Terpman22]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

I obviously want them to take Bijan. If they trade up (or wait) and get Jalen Carter I won’t be let down. There should be enough talent at 10 that I probably won’t be upset (although I’m out on Skoronski). If Howie trades out for future picks I’ll be annoyed. We’ve got a very good, young squad, so I don’t think we will be in the position to draft top 10 for many years.

That’s really why I think they should take Bijan-that level of talent won’t be available to them over the next few years.

Even more so, I think b/c of the bolded why we might really really trade up to 6/7 to get Carter or somehow if one of those DE's fall. It would probably cost our 3rd this year + more, and at the time, everyone will be going "Oh man we ONLY have 2 more good draft picks left" but getting a guy like one of the top 3 DL prospects would really be a game changer. IF this happens, you can be pretty damn sure we move down from 30.

Also, Budda Baker today maybe??

 

[Snotbubbles]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

 

[Deamon]

Let's just hope Howie isn't doing the "try to be smarter than everyone else" thing anymore. He's been great the last couple years just taking BPA and usually from the SEC or a power conference. Stick with that Howie, go get some studs.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Eagles Draft 2023

#10 pick - Take Christian Gonzalez CB

#30 pick - Take Darnell Wright OT

13 letters

#10- trade to TBB FOR #19
#19- Nolan Smith
#30- Adebawore, DT from Northwestern

These make sense to me.

Hard for me to see the wisom in Nolan going at 10 or Bijan anywhere in the 1st. These probably make the most sense to me of the guesses I've seen here, though I will be a little surprised if Gonzalez is still there at 10. If he were, i would take him. Otherwise trade back, unless Carter is still there.

 

[Bankerguy]

I am usually very excited for draft day and excited to see what the Cowboys do. However, the bigger over riding feeling this year is dread thinking about you guys adding pieces.

My only hope you guys reach for something or just miss (you’ve had a few over the last 15 years)

 

[need2know]

I would be good taking a cb at 10. I think the only pick I wouldn't like is that van ess guy or some other edge rusher we don't know much about.

 

[Amused to Death]

I would be good taking a cb at 10. I think the only pick I wouldn't like is that van ess guy or some other edge rusher we don't know much about.

Lukas Van Ness. My son was talking about him last night as the only name he didn't want to hear. I hadn't heard about him till he mentioned the name.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I would be good taking a cb at 10. I think the only pick I wouldn't like is that van ess guy or some other edge rusher we don't know much about.

Lukas Van Ness. My son was talking about him last night as the only name he didn't want to hear. I hadn't heard about him till he mentioned the name.

I saw a report (don't know if it's true) that Van Ness is off the Eagles draft board.

 

[need2know]

I would be good taking a cb at 10. I think the only pick I wouldn't like is that van ess guy or some other edge rusher we don't know much about.

Lukas Van Ness. My son was talking about him last night as the only name he didn't want to hear. I hadn't heard about him till he mentioned the name.

I saw a report (don't know if it's true) that Van Ness is off the Eagles draft board.

Please b true

 

[The Noid]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

I really hope whatever Philly presence is in KC doesn't boo the draft pick.

I'll be at the draft party tonight at The Linc and expect HUGE boos if we pick at 10 and it's not Bijan

 

[Amused to Death]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

I really hope whatever Philly presence is in KC doesn't boo the draft pick.

I'll be at the draft party tonight at The Linc and expect HUGE boos if we pick at 10 and it's not Bijan

As usual, the radio stations and social media have everyone in a frenzy over this guy.

 

[Insein]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

I really hope whatever Philly presence is in KC doesn't boo the draft pick.

I'll be at the draft party tonight at The Linc and expect HUGE boos if we pick at 10 and it's not Bijan

As usual, the radio stations and social media have everyone in a frenzy over this guy.

Yep. Only Giglio and Hugh Douglas have been saying no way. Along with Eskin.

 

[unckeyherb]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

True, but he is an immediate boost at a position of need at a cost that is fine. Yeah you're paying for it a few years from now, but I truly think adding him makes us the best offense in the league. And as I said the other day, offense wins championships. I'll let Howie worry about the cap in 2027, I care about getting back to the Super Bowl in 2023.

Also, there is a good chance that a defensive line guy drafted at 10 might only be a spot starter for the first few years and only become a starter towards the end of his first contract. This means you are getting very little production in the cheap years. With Bijan you are getting monster production in his cheap years.

 

[unckeyherb]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

I obviously want them to take Bijan. If they trade up (or wait) and get Jalen Carter I won’t be let down. There should be enough talent at 10 that I probably won’t be upset (although I’m out on Skoronski). If Howie trades out for future picks I’ll be annoyed. We’ve got a very good, young squad, so I don’t think we will be in the position to draft top 10 for many years.

That’s really why I think they should take Bijan-that level of talent won’t be available to them over the next few years.

Even more so, I think b/c of the bolded why we might really really trade up to 6/7 to get Carter or somehow if one of those DE's fall. It would probably cost our 3rd this year + more, and at the time, everyone will be going "Oh man we ONLY have 2 more good draft picks left" but getting a guy like one of the top 3 DL prospects would really be a game changer. IF this happens, you can be pretty damn sure we move down from 30.

Also, Budda Baker today maybe??

True, but wouldn't you say Bijan on this team would be a game changer?
To the bolded, yes please.

 

[unckeyherb]

I am usually very excited for draft day and excited to see what the Cowboys do. However, the bigger over riding feeling this year is dread thinking about you guys adding pieces.

My only hope you guys reach for something or just miss (you’ve had a few over the last 15 years)

Yeah, I believe (hope) that Howie has learned his lesson from the Danny Watkins, Marcus Smith years.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

True, but he is an immediate boost at a position of need at a cost that is fine. Yeah you're paying for it a few years from now, but I truly think adding him makes us the best offense in the league. And as I said the other day, offense wins championships. I'll let Howie worry about the cap in 2027, I care about getting back to the Super Bowl in 2023.

Also, there is a good chance that a defensive line guy drafted at 10 might only be a spot starter for the first few years and only become a starter towards the end of his first contract. This means you are getting very little production in the cheap years. With Bijan you are getting monster production in his cheap years.

RB isn't a position of need.

As far as being a spot start if you draft DL, that's the whole point. You add a guy to the rotation. Then you let the expensive guy go (Cox, Graham). You can't do that with RB since there are no expensive guys.

 

[renesauz]

Smoke starting to show the Eagles are trying to trade up for a DL on the twitters

Will Anderson is a grand slam pick

Is Anderson worth 1.10, 1.30, and 2.31? That's the approximate cost to get the ARI pick at 1.03. I don't expect him to go after 1.03.

What would it cost to move up from 1.10 to 1.08 for Carter? 2024 2nd rounder?

A 2023 3rd or a 2024 second would get it done.

The cost to move up in the NFL is too much IMO. a second to move up just a couple of spots? It's no wonder some teams never accomplish much.

 

[Terpman22]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

I obviously want them to take Bijan. If they trade up (or wait) and get Jalen Carter I won’t be let down. There should be enough talent at 10 that I probably won’t be upset (although I’m out on Skoronski). If Howie trades out for future picks I’ll be annoyed. We’ve got a very good, young squad, so I don’t think we will be in the position to draft top 10 for many years.

That’s really why I think they should take Bijan-that level of talent won’t be available to them over the next few years.

Even more so, I think b/c of the bolded why we might really really trade up to 6/7 to get Carter or somehow if one of those DE's fall. It would probably cost our 3rd this year + more, and at the time, everyone will be going "Oh man we ONLY have 2 more good draft picks left" but getting a guy like one of the top 3 DL prospects would really be a game changer. IF this happens, you can be pretty damn sure we move down from 30.

Also, Budda Baker today maybe??

True, but wouldn't you say Bijan on this team would be a game changer?
To the bolded, yes please.

I'm on the Bijan train if we stay at 10 or move back and the top 3 DL and Paris Johnson are gone. Paris Johnson playing RG on this line would be unfair.

 

[unckeyherb]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

True, but he is an immediate boost at a position of need at a cost that is fine. Yeah you're paying for it a few years from now, but I truly think adding him makes us the best offense in the league. And as I said the other day, offense wins championships. I'll let Howie worry about the cap in 2027, I care about getting back to the Super Bowl in 2023.

Also, there is a good chance that a defensive line guy drafted at 10 might only be a spot starter for the first few years and only become a starter towards the end of his first contract. This means you are getting very little production in the cheap years. With Bijan you are getting monster production in his cheap years.

RB isn't a position of need.

As far as being a spot start if you draft DL, that's the whole point. You add a guy to the rotation. Then you let the expensive guy go (Cox, Graham). You can't do that with RB since there are no expensive guys.

This might be the issue. I think it is definitely a need. Penny is a lottery ticket and while I love Boston Scott he has limitations. As does Gainwell. I don't think Sirriani wants to do a RBBC. He didn't do it last year and I don't think he'll do it this year. We'll see in a few hours and like I said, while I want them to take Bijan, there are plenty of other guys (that are more likely to be taken by the Eagles) that I'll be happy with.

As for the second part, we don't let the expensive guy go, we re-sign them. That's my point. The years you are getting max-production from your stud Dlineman are the years that cost the most. Its the opposite with RB. Bijan day one is giving you max production in his cheapest years and in year 5 (when you'd have to re-sign him) you can certainly let him walk. Even if you re-sign him the cap implications are no where near what a cap hit on a stud D Tackle would garner.

 

[renesauz]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

 

[Insein]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

 

[Snotbubbles]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

True, but he is an immediate boost at a position of need at a cost that is fine. Yeah you're paying for it a few years from now, but I truly think adding him makes us the best offense in the league. And as I said the other day, offense wins championships. I'll let Howie worry about the cap in 2027, I care about getting back to the Super Bowl in 2023.

Also, there is a good chance that a defensive line guy drafted at 10 might only be a spot starter for the first few years and only become a starter towards the end of his first contract. This means you are getting very little production in the cheap years. With Bijan you are getting monster production in his cheap years.

RB isn't a position of need.

As far as being a spot start if you draft DL, that's the whole point. You add a guy to the rotation. Then you let the expensive guy go (Cox, Graham). You can't do that with RB since there are no expensive guys.

This might be the issue. I think it is definitely a need. Penny is a lottery ticket and while I love Boston Scott he has limitations. As does Gainwell. I don't think Sirriani wants to do a RBBC. He didn't do it last year and I don't think he'll do it this year. We'll see in a few hours and like I said, while I want them to take Bijan, there are plenty of other guys (that are more likely to be taken by the Eagles) that I'll be happy with.

As for the second part, we don't let the expensive guy go, we re-sign them. That's my point. The years you are getting max-production from your stud Dlineman are the years that cost the most. Its the opposite with RB. Bijan day one is giving you max production in his cheapest years and in year 5 (when you'd have to re-sign him) you can certainly let him walk. Even if you re-sign him the cap implications are no where near what a cap hit on a stud D Tackle would garner.

In the past 10 years we re-signed Cox and Graham on the DL. Everyone else we let walk. We keep cycling them in.

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

It's blowing the budget for the position. You have a budget for a reason.

 

[Terpman22]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

 

[Insein]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Yea Emmitt Smith. Literally the one guy in the last 40 years to have won multiple Super Bowls with the team that drafted him in the first round at RB. And one of only 2 RBs EVER to win multiple Super bowls as a 1st rounder with the team that drafted him (Franco Harris being the other).

Faulk was drafted by the Colts and Edge never won a super bowl. Colts won after he left.

 

[Terpman22]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Yea Emmitt Smith. Literally the one guy in the last 40 years to have won multiple Super Bowls with the team that drafted him in the first round at RB. And one of only 2 RBs EVER to win multiple Super bowls as a 1st rounder with the team that drafted him (Franco Harris being the other).

Faulk was drafted by the Colts and Edge never won a super bowl. Colts won after he left.

I hear ya. Seems semantics though. The point I'm making is "yeah you CAN win a Super Bowl with a good/great Running back that has some money to paid for his skills vs some JAG to save money"

By the time Bijan's contract is up, the deal will look like a bargain and then maybe we can move on vs paying him $10+M per year. Thats all I'm really trying to get across. Someone else pointed out he would not have to BE the offense just be a PART of the offense. Its hard to argue adding him to this offense would be a "bad" thing.

 

[Insein]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Yea Emmitt Smith. Literally the one guy in the last 40 years to have won multiple Super Bowls with the team that drafted him in the first round at RB. And one of only 2 RBs EVER to win multiple Super bowls as a 1st rounder with the team that drafted him (Franco Harris being the other).

Faulk was drafted by the Colts and Edge never won a super bowl. Colts won after he left.

I hear ya. Seems semantics though. The point I'm making is "yeah you CAN win a Super Bowl with a good/great Running back that has some money to paid for his skills vs some JAG to save money"

By the time Bijan's contract is up, the deal will look like a bargain and then maybe we can move on vs paying him $10+M per year. Thats all I'm really trying to get across. Someone else pointed out he would not have to BE the offense just be a PART of the offense. Its hard to argue adding him to this offense would be a "bad" thing.

Odds are better that Bijan wins a super bowl with his next team than the team that drafts him. We can get slightly lesser talent later in the draft. Where we can't get slightly lesser talent later is DL and Edge rusher. There's a huge drop off at those positions historically and much harder to hit on later.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

 

[Terpman22]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

Like I said trends are just that, trends. People like to look at them and say things. "Need to win with a QB on a rookie deal" Or have Patrick Mahomes on his big deal. "You don't need a big time WR to win a Super Bowl" Until ya know 3 or the last 4 winners had big time WRs like Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans Chris Godwin and Cooper Kupp" and to a lesser degree "Eagles won't repeat as division champs bc the division hasn't had that since 2005" Smart teams find ways to break trends. And I'm on record saying I'd prefer all the top DL guys over Bijan. **BUT** if somehow we get to 10 and all the blue chip guys are gone, I'd rather have the plug n play "generational" RB talent that is by FAR the BPA vs reaching on a guy like Skoronski with Short arms or some of the lesser Defensive players who could easily bust. I don't see Bijan as a risk to bust. I don't think anyone does. We will all find out soon enough, but its always fun to discuss it!

 

[Snotbubbles]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

Like I said trends are just that, trends. People like to look at them and say things. "Need to win with a QB on a rookie deal" Or have Patrick Mahomes on his big deal. "You don't need a big time WR to win a Super Bowl" Until ya know 3 or the last 4 winners had big time WRs like Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans Chris Godwin and Cooper Kupp" and to a lesser degree "Eagles won't repeat as division champs bc the division hasn't had that since 2005" Smart teams find ways to break trends. And I'm on record saying I'd prefer all the top DL guys over Bijan. **BUT** if somehow we get to 10 and all the blue chip guys are gone, I'd rather have the plug n play "generational" RB talent that is by FAR the BPA vs reaching on a guy like Skoronski with Short arms or some of the lesser Defensive players who could easily bust. I don't see Bijan as a risk to bust. I don't think anyone does. We will all find out soon enough, but its always fun to discuss it!

I hate Skoronski at 10. But I'd rather have Skoronski who will probably be a Pro Bowl guard for 10 years than a RB.

Also define bust. Is Saquon Barkley a bust? Bijan isn't nearly as big a prospect as he was coming out.

ETA: Think about how different the Giants would look if instead of Saquon Barkley at #2 they took Josh Allen. Then with their 2nd round pick took Nick Chubb.

 

[jon007]

When do they just exclude QB salaries from the cap? If the cap is designed for competitive balance for all teams, the guaranteed contracts are a loop hole for teams with deep pockets.

Rookie QBs are a must for teams that can't offer high guarantee contracts.

 

[unckeyherb]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

Like I said trends are just that, trends. People like to look at them and say things. "Need to win with a QB on a rookie deal" Or have Patrick Mahomes on his big deal. "You don't need a big time WR to win a Super Bowl" Until ya know 3 or the last 4 winners had big time WRs like Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans Chris Godwin and Cooper Kupp" and to a lesser degree "Eagles won't repeat as division champs bc the division hasn't had that since 2005" Smart teams find ways to break trends. And I'm on record saying I'd prefer all the top DL guys over Bijan. **BUT** if somehow we get to 10 and all the blue chip guys are gone, I'd rather have the plug n play "generational" RB talent that is by FAR the BPA vs reaching on a guy like Skoronski with Short arms or some of the lesser Defensive players who could easily bust. I don't see Bijan as a risk to bust. I don't think anyone does. We will all find out soon enough, but its always fun to discuss it!

I hate Skoronski at 10. But I'd rather have Skoronski who will probably be a Pro Bowl guard for 10 years than a RB.

Also define bust. Is Saquon Barkley a bust? Bijan isn't nearly as big a prospect as he was coming out.

ETA: Think about how different the Giants would look if instead of Saquon Barkley at #2 they took Josh Allen. Then with their 2nd round pick took Nick Chubb.

That’s fair but again, all these teams that took a RB early (NYG and Dallas most recently) did so with the express intent to build the foundation of their offense on those guys. Eagles already have a top tier offense that has elite talent everywhere except RB and is built to run the ball. He’d be a key piece but definitely not the centerpiece.

 

[Insein]

When do they just exclude QB salaries from the cap? If the cap is designed for competitive balance for all teams, the guaranteed contracts are a loop hole for teams with deep pockets.

Rookie QBs are a must for teams that can't offer high guarantee contracts.

The cap is going to explode soon to where $50m a year for a QB isn't that big a deal. It'll be interesting to see if other positions (CB, DL) catch up. WR is headed that way it seems. More money is certainly good for the players but the dumber GMs are going to blow through it.

 

[DJackson10]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

I agree but to point out on the bolded after the Christmas Eve game where Miles fumbled on the 2nd to last Eagles possession he got less and less carries during the important moments

 

[DJackson10]

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

I would love one of the top defensive players and pick up a later RB or grab one off the scrap heap (Cook?). That's much more in line with Howie's usual M.O. But I admit I'm getting drawn in on the BiJan wagon.

I'm not ruling this out but the #1O pick in 2 mocks I was offered Minny's pick and Dalvin Cook for 1O and a 3rd or something next year. I'd take that if given. If Howie could squeeze a late Day 2 Early Day 3 pick out of it I'd be all for it.

 

[DJackson10]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

If Bijan isn't picked I fear they are going to get McNabb level hate for the next 4 yrs especially if they don't produce or it becomes an OL guy that isn't a sexy pick. Hopefully a team above us is dumb enough and drafts him so we don't have to worry about that but you'll still get some knuckle dragging neanderthal hoagie breather pounding the table and calling our sports radio how Howie should've traded X Y and Z and moved up for Bijan.

 

[DJackson10]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

people think hes the next Tomlinson.

this is going to be crazy tonight. really have no clue what they will do. watch them take 2 players no one is talking about

Like I posted yesterday I think a lot of people are overrating this guy. Doesn't mean he's not good just that the way people are talking is just insane. Outside of QB position he might be the most overrated Offensive prospect

 

[DJackson10]

The Bijan madness is at Ricky Williams levels. This is really setting people up for a huge let down.

I obviously want them to take Bijan. If they trade up (or wait) and get Jalen Carter I won’t be let down. There should be enough talent at 10 that I probably won’t be upset (although I’m out on Skoronski). If Howie trades out for future picks I’ll be annoyed. We’ve got a very good, young squad, so I don’t think we will be in the position to draft top 10 for many years.

That’s really why I think they should take Bijan-that level of talent won’t be available to them over the next few years.

Even more so, I think b/c of the bolded why we might really really trade up to 6/7 to get Carter or somehow if one of those DE's fall. It would probably cost our 3rd this year + more, and at the time, everyone will be going "Oh man we ONLY have 2 more good draft picks left" but getting a guy like one of the top 3 DL prospects would really be a game changer. IF this happens, you can be pretty damn sure we move down from 30.

Also, Budda Baker today maybe??

I'm leaning on maybe we don't get Carter I know people talk about our locker room culture but the Eagles haven't had a bad rep with the law or trouble players in a long time now. If the Eagles have any hint of this guy needing a babysitter they are passing on him. They past on DeShaun Watson quick. I'm hesitant on Carter because of his lack of work ethic and there seems to be some troubling Culture at UGA presenting itself lately. I'm fearful this guy is the next Albert Haynesworth.

 

[DJackson10]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

When it's at a position of a short NFL Shelf life like RB is in the NFL which I think is an avg of 2.57 years and that was from this past August. It's a waste of economical resources to waste a 1st on an RB.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I am usually very excited for draft day and excited to see what the Cowboys do. However, the bigger over riding feeling this year is dread thinking about you guys adding pieces.

My only hope you guys reach for something or just miss (you’ve had a few over the last 15 years)

I’m hoping for a Jalen Reagor esque type evening

 

[DJackson10]

Also some might be surprised at Me but I'd rather have Hurts for the next 5 yrs then Lamar Jackson. Baltimore are idiots and should've traded Lamar last offseason. They could've gotten a boatload. After Watson deal and Wilson deals he could've been traded for at least 2 1st rounders possible to a desperate team. I disagree with the amount of $$$ we should be paying Hurts but there is no way Lamar should be anywhere close to this money. You offer me Hurts for Lamar straight up I'm not sure I can say yes fast enough. Ozzie wouldn't have let this happen to the Ravens.

 

[SoBeDad]

Also some might be surprised at Me but I'd rather have Hurts for the next 5 yrs then Lamar Jackson. Baltimore are idiots and should've traded Lamar last offseason. They could've gotten a boatload. After Watson deal and Wilson deals he could've been traded for at least 2 1st rounders possible to a desperate team. I disagree with the amount of $$$ we should be paying Hurts but there is no way Lamar should be anywhere close to this money. You offer me Hurts for Lamar straight up I'm not sure I can say yes fast enough. Ozzie wouldn't have let this happen to the Ravens.

Put Lamar in Philly with their 2022 super bowl roster and I think he also likely takes them to the SB. It's hard to compare the 2 since their offenses and weapons are different, but I think Hurts is still getting better.

 

[menobrown]

Adam Schefter

@AdamSchefter
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Eagles and Cardinals settled a tampering investigation today involving the hiring of former Philadelphia DC Jonathan Gannon as Arizona’s HC, per sources. Terms: Eagles traded pick No. 94 in this draft and a 2024 5th-round pick to the Cardinals for pick No. 66 in this draft.

 

[need2know]

Howie strikes again!

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I still don’t want bijan in the first round but I am legit impressed by that walk and talk interview with Suzy kolber

 

[SoBeDad]

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Eagles and Cardinals settled a tampering investigation today involving the hiring of former Philadelphia DC Jonathan Gannon as Arizona’s HC, per sources. Terms: Eagles traded pick No. 94 in this draft and a 2024 5th-round pick to the Cardinals for pick No. 66 in this draft.

Some quality players likely to be available at 3.03 in this draft: CB Tyrique Stevenson (UM), Devon Arcane, Jonathan Mingo, Tuli, etc,

 

[The Noid]

Jonathan Gannon had said when he was hired that he didn't know about the Cardinals' interest until Howie Roseman informed him of their interview request just after the Super Bowl.

Not a good week for Jonathan Gannon’s word. Getting exposed again as a liar. SMH.

 

[Insein]

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Eagles and Cardinals settled a tampering investigation today involving the hiring of former Philadelphia DC Jonathan Gannon as Arizona’s HC, per sources. Terms: Eagles traded pick No. 94 in this draft and a 2024 5th-round pick to the Cardinals for pick No. 66 in this draft.

Yo that's freaking hilarious.