2023 Philadelphia Eagles - Complete waste of a season finally comes to an end. (3 Viewers)

[DJackson10]

the broadcast started with "Detroit can win the NFC." pffft, no respect! happy thanksgiving bird fans.

I mean we lost to the jets. That’s kind of a bigger loss then losing to gB

 

[Deamon]

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

this is just insane. It's a game of inches. So if quez catches that ball, or one tiny bounce goes another way, then that completely changes the player that Hurts is?

My god.

 

[unckeyherb]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

He almost won it last year FFS. He’s 27-3 in his last 30 games. That’s a 90% win rate. He’s the odds on favorite to win MVP this year and was last year prior to being injured. No offense bro, but you’re just wrong about him. He’s in the convo for best QB in the league.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

But Hurts doesn’t have to win it. Football is an ultimate team game and his team is stacked.

 

[Insein]

Derek Barnett era has finally ended.

 

[DJackson10]

Eagles are waiving Derek Barnett per @AdamSchefter

#DerekBarnett was the Eagles 1st round pick in 2017

Barnett has played just 9 games over the last 2 seasons with 0 sacks and only 2 sacks dating back to 2021

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

I couldn't disagree more strongly with a post. Hurts is the exact opposite of what you think he is. He is probably 1a or 1b of the most "clutch" QBs playing right now.

 

[DJackson10]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

But Hurts doesn’t have to win it. Football is an ultimate team game and his team is stacked.

How the Eagles moved up for Wentz
I agree but this is why I disagree with @Gachi on McNabb. Look how good he was with TO and then Jackson. Andy Reid’s KC offebse was what he was trying to build here for yrs. It’s about carson but makes good point this article from the athletic makes great points on McNabb and Andy and the offense he wanted here. I feel if McNabb had the guys around him like Andy did in KC or the Eagles did with hurts McNabb us just as good if not better. I think Hurts is a great benefactor of what’s been built around him. He’s also never really face any advisortory in terms of injuries to the guys around him. I’d be interested in seeing how he’d do if that happened. Not saying I want to see guys hurt but more so how Hurts plays and reacts. I don’t see him as a player who makes guys around him better. That’s the difference between good enough and elite.

I go back to the eagles getting the playoff game with Sea. They ran a whole team out there of WRs and DBs off the street. Wentz mostly carried the team without Ertz Jeffrey McCoy and others. Threw for over 3k and 30TDs and the team got a WC. Unfortunately our season ended from a cheap shot by Clowney. However there aren’t many QBs I can see pulling that off. I’m just not sure Hirts could pull something like that off. Nothing wrong of just being good enough. Obviously I’m gonna disagree with people but the personal attacks by some including questioning my integrity or being a fan are over the top and over the line. Honestly if you have other fans in here from other teams coming in here defend me on that part then maybe the question should be maybe we need to change a bit not me. Not saying opinions but how those come across etc.

I’m an eagles fan but just because I don’t show blind loyalty doesn’t mean I’m not a real fan. Like I said I think there’s a select few here who have personal reasons of disliking me other then the topic at hand if other threads. This isn’t solely based on a hurts opinion I’m afraid.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

So, does Barnett’s release mean they’re gonna sign Shaq Leonard?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Derek Barnett era has finally ended.

He was an idiot, but he was our idiot. And he played the second-most-important role in the most important defensive play in the team's history.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

So, does Barnett’s release mean they’re gonna sign Shaq Leonard?

Who knows. They have not yet announced a corresponding roster move. https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-waive-derek-barnett

 

[DJackson10]

Derek Barnett era has finally ended.

What a wasted job after we fleeced Minny on Bradford and had them give up a first rounder, could’ve had Tredavious white, Baker, TJ Watt, Jonathan Allen, hell would’ve taken Dalvin Cook at that point.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

It's a pathology. By engaging with him on it, we are enabling it.

I used to think this, but even when you don't engage with him he will write Anti-Hurts novels. It's wild. Not even one "hey he played good" or "ok that was a nice throw" the entire season

I think I know what it’s all about. There is a certain subset that will forever talk about Wentz and always criticize Hurts. He’s not the only one just maybe the only one here. We know what that agenda is about with those guys.

I’ll be interested to see how he thinks Jalen should not be MVP, should he win it.

What’s the agenda?

I hope you’re not going where I think you’re going..?

Oh he’s going there and him and another poster has even insinuated before on that with me it’s childish and just shows they don’t want to debate. Deamon has had an issue with me for the last 4 or so yrs for some reason only reason I’m replying to the post was because your comment had me curious and I literally just put a post above this of similar about Hurts fans doing this to people. (I edited a name out of a poster here as I may have them confused with another).

I’ve kept him on ignore for awhile but every now and again posters PM about stuff he says on here. I will not tolerate someone trying to infere that about me no matter what. He acts like a child whenever he doesn’t get his way. And he Sean’s jealous everyone’s posting about me. Now with that post he now has the attention on him

All of y'all drop the talk about other posters. Keep this 100% on football.

 

[FBG Moderator]

But my issue is people acting like Hurts can do no wrong. It’s everyone else’s but his fault.

Are you not reading the same threads I am? There's been plenty of "Hurts needs to play better" , "something is wrong with Hurts" , etc all season from Eagles fans on these boards.

It seems like you're acting like "Hurts can do no right" tho, do you agree? I mean I'm sure you agree that Hurts has played good at times, why is that so difficult to acknowledge? A simple "wow that was a nice throw by Hurts" seems impossible, where as almost everyone in here isn't afraid to say "wow that was a bad throw by Hurts".

He’s got you on ignore. Anyone with a good argument to his rants and rasslin novels gets put on ignore.

lol he claims he does, but doesn't. Every once in a while he'll directly reply to a post I make.

All of y'all drop the stuff about other posters and keep it 100% on football.

 

[DJackson10]

So, does Barnett’s release mean they’re gonna sign Shaq Leonard?

Leonard issue was lack of playing time and here he’d be a rotational guy.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

So, does Barnett’s release mean they’re gonna sign Shaq Leonard?

Leonard issue was lack of playing time and here he’d be a rotational guy.

Yeah, he’s not gonna replace Morrow, who’s actually playing pretty well. It’d be a depth signing, for sure, and we wouldn’t be getting Pro Bowl Shaq. We’d be getting a potential quality back-up off the street for dirt cheap.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Punchable?

For all the haters, especially the resident Cowboy fans.

 

[renesauz]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

Come on man. He's won like 13 straight vs teams with winning records, come back 4 straight times from 10 point deficits, has a better rating when behind then when ahead.

Your dislike borders on pathological.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Punchable?

For all the haters, especially the resident Cowboy fans.

I guess I was wrong about him. Dude just oozes class

 

[Deamon]

I feel good about the buffalo game but really bad about the SF and Dallas games. They're both coming off 10 days rest and both look really good right now. I think those are losses.

Pretty confident on 13-4 now. Should go 1-2 in the next 3, and 3-1 in the final 4.

 

[Insein]

We're winning the next 5. We'll lose to Arizona for no reason. 15-2

 

[unckeyherb]

I don’t think we lose another game this season, apart from maybe a week 17 rest your starters situation. The only game that really has me nervous at all is the SF game-they are legit. However the way I look at it is this, Sirriani is a better coach than Shanahan and Hurts is a better QB than Purdy. Played on a neutral field I’d say we have a *very* slight edge. At the Linc I think we’re clear favorites.
Dallas doesn’t scare me. They beat the **** out of bad teams and simply lose when they have any big-test games.

In other news, ESPN updated their FPI rankings. The eagles remain below six teams including Miami, Dallas and KC; all of which, of course, the Eagles have a win against.

 

[need2know]

I don’t think we lose another game this season, apart from maybe a week 17 rest your starters situation. The only game that really has me nervous at all is the SF game-they are legit. However the way I look at it is this, Sirriani is a better coach than Shanahan and Hurts is a better QB than Purdy. Played on a neutral field I’d say we have a *very* slight edge. At the Linc I think we’re clear favorites.
Dallas doesn’t scare me. They beat the **** out of bad teams and simply lose when they have any big-test games.

In other news, ESPN updated their FPI rankings. The eagles remain below six teams including Miami, Dallas and KC; all of which, of course, the Eagles have a win against.

Those rankings are crap

 

[Scooby1974]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

He almost won it last year FFS. He’s 27-3 in his last 30 games. That’s a 90% win rate. He’s the odds on favorite to win MVP this year and was last year prior to being injured. No offense bro, but you’re just wrong about him. He’s in the convo for best QB in the league.

Only reason Hurts is in the conversation is because the team is 9-1. His stats are middle of the road if not for the 1 yard Td pushes.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Only reason Hurts is in the conversation is because the team is 9-1. His stats are middle of the road if not for the 1 yard Td pushes.

This should be fun

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

He almost won it last year FFS. He’s 27-3 in his last 30 games. That’s a 90% win rate. He’s the odds on favorite to win MVP this year and was last year prior to being injured. No offense bro, but you’re just wrong about him. He’s in the convo for best QB in the league.

Only reason Hurts is in the conversation is because the team is 9-1. His stats are middle of the road if not for the 1 yard Td pushes.

Yeah, that's pretty much true of all MVP voting, though. It's usually the QB from the winningest team in football, and that's what Hurts is right now. The 2nd place odds favorite is Patrick Maholmes, and he's the only one in the conversation that has worse stats than Hurts. If it was just statistically "Who is the best QB this year?" award, Purdy and Dak would be odds-on favorites.

I personally couldn't care less who wins the MVP. Let Jalen get a SB ring, and they can give the MVP to whoever they want. The flaws I see in his game this year is that he is holding the ball too long, and he is letting pressure move him off his spot. His mechanics regress when he feels pressure and he goes into backyard football mode.

 

[Deamon]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

He almost won it last year FFS. He’s 27-3 in his last 30 games. That’s a 90% win rate. He’s the odds on favorite to win MVP this year and was last year prior to being injured. No offense bro, but you’re just wrong about him. He’s in the convo for best QB in the league.

Only reason Hurts is in the conversation is because the team is 9-1. His stats are middle of the road if not for the 1 yard Td pushes.

Don't necessarily disagree. But you're saying stats shouldn't matter (his record) but should matter (his personal stats)... kinda arguing 2 sides of the coin.

The MVP goes to good stats and a great record. If you want to just base it on good stats then I fully agree he probably shouldn't be in the conversation.

 

[Scooby1974]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

He almost won it last year FFS. He’s 27-3 in his last 30 games. That’s a 90% win rate. He’s the odds on favorite to win MVP this year and was last year prior to being injured. No offense bro, but you’re just wrong about him. He’s in the convo for best QB in the league.

Only reason Hurts is in the conversation is because the team is 9-1. His stats are middle of the road if not for the 1 yard Td pushes.

Yeah, that's pretty much true of all MVP voting, though. It's usually the QB from the winningest team in football, and that's what Hurts is right now. The 2nd place odds favorite is Patrick Maholmes, and he's the only one in the conversation that has worse stats than Hurts. If it was just statistically "Who is the best QB this year?" award, Purdy and Dak would be odds-on favorites.

I personally couldn't care less who wins the MVP. Let Jalen get a SB ring, and they can give the MVP to whoever they want. The flaws I see in his game this year is that he is holding the ball too long, and he is letting pressure move him off his spot. His mechanics regress when he feels pressure and he goes into backyard football mode.

Spot on. I feel the same about the Super Bowl ring -vs- the MVP. Mahomes should just get it every year, barring injury, he is just that silly talented.

 

[Scooby1974]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

He almost won it last year FFS. He’s 27-3 in his last 30 games. That’s a 90% win rate. He’s the odds on favorite to win MVP this year and was last year prior to being injured. No offense bro, but you’re just wrong about him. He’s in the convo for best QB in the league.

Only reason Hurts is in the conversation is because the team is 9-1. His stats are middle of the road if not for the 1 yard Td pushes.

Don't necessarily disagree. But you're saying stats shouldn't matter (his record) but should matter (his personal stats)... kinda arguing 2 sides of the coin.

The MVP goes to good stats and a great record. If you want to just base it on good stats then I fully agree he probably shouldn't be in the conversation.

Even with his tush pushes, he is middle of the road.

The Most Valuable Player award should go to the person who is most valuable to a team. Mahomes plays with third string WRs and late round RBs and wins rings. Hurts has all world OL, two top 10-15 WRs, and a stacked D. (Purdy the same as Hurts, plus much better stats ---but still not worthy).

I don't think the winning-est team record should weigh so heavily into it.

I've argue Stroud or Lamar over Hurts and Purdy quite easily.

 

[Deamon]

Even with his tush pushes, he is middle of the road.

The Most Valuable Player award should go to the person who is most valuable to a team. Mahomes plays with third string WRs and late round RBs and wins rings. Hurts has all world OL, two top 10-15 WRs, and a stacked D. (Purdy the same as Hurts, plus much better stats ---but still not worthy).

I don't think the winning-est team record should weigh so heavily into it.

I've argue Stroud or Lamar over Hurts and Purdy quite easily.

I agree his stats are middle of the road... no one is arguing that? He also just finds ways to win. But if you don't think team win total should weigh so heavily, then yes, he wouldn't be in the conversation.

But again, it does play into it. And the "most valuable to a team" plays nothing into it.

So sure, I agree Hurts shouldn't be in the MVP conversation if Scooby1974 gets to decide the criteria of how the award is given out.

 

[Scooby1974]

Even with his tush pushes, he is middle of the road.

The Most Valuable Player award should go to the person who is most valuable to a team. Mahomes plays with third string WRs and late round RBs and wins rings. Hurts has all world OL, two top 10-15 WRs, and a stacked D. (Purdy the same as Hurts, plus much better stats ---but still not worthy).

I don't think the winning-est team record should weigh so heavily into it.

I've argue Stroud or Lamar over Hurts and Purdy quite easily.

I agree his stats are middle of the road... no one is arguing that? He also just finds ways to win. But if you don't think team win total should weigh so heavily, then yes, he wouldn't be in the conversation.

But again, it does play into it. And the "most valuable to a team" plays nothing into it.

So sure, I agree Hurts shouldn't be in the MVP conversation if Scooby1974 gets to decide the criteria of how the award is given out.

I appreciate that vote.

If I am the captain of my kickball team and the other captain stinks and just picks his friends...I get all the best players and they carry me to victory. That's Hurts and Purdy.

Mahomes, Stroud, and Lamar are the MVP front runners......they make their teams go.

 

[DJackson10]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

He almost won it last year FFS. He’s 27-3 in his last 30 games. That’s a 90% win rate. He’s the odds on favorite to win MVP this year and was last year prior to being injured. No offense bro, but you’re just wrong about him. He’s in the convo for best QB in the league.

Only reason Hurts is in the conversation is because the team is 9-1. His stats are middle of the road if not for the 1 yard Td pushes.

Bingo it’s like the year Carolina went 9-0 or so to start the year with Cam Newtown and SF was doing poorly and benched Kapernick. Someone on USAToday did a comparison chart arguing why CK was being talked about for poor play but Newton had just as similar stats. The verdict Cams team had a winning record and was boosted by a top 4 defebse. This was the same year Carolina went to the SB and Cam didn’t dive on the ball.

That’s why I say it’s important for people to watch these games if they can as awhile. Much better picture as box score can be deceiving at times. This past weeks mnf Eagles/chiefs is a perfect example. People will see final score and stats and say oh that was a good game to watch. In reality it was pretty sloppy football, ton of drops and both teams shooting themselves in the foot in key moments.

But I think they Kap vs Newton comparison is a great example of recieving stats in this league. If you weren’t an eagles fan or much of a football fan and didn’t know about the 1yd TDs by hurts you’d think he what a great stat. While seeing the Eagles RB and going they aren’t great at getting TDs. In reality it’s nothing against them at all Hurts just gets those opportunities

 

[Pip's Invitation]

We'll lose to Arizona for no reason.

I mean, Dallas did...

 

[DJackson10]

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

He almost won it last year FFS. He’s 27-3 in his last 30 games. That’s a 90% win rate. He’s the odds on favorite to win MVP this year and was last year prior to being injured. No offense bro, but you’re just wrong about him. He’s in the convo for best QB in the league.

Only reason Hurts is in the conversation is because the team is 9-1. His stats are middle of the road if not for the 1 yard Td pushes.

Yeah, that's pretty much true of all MVP voting, though. It's usually the QB from the winningest team in football, and that's what Hurts is right now. The 2nd place odds favorite is Patrick Maholmes, and he's the only one in the conversation that has worse stats than Hurts. If it was just statistically "Who is the best QB this year?" award, Purdy and Dak would be odds-on favorites.

I personally couldn't care less who wins the MVP. Let Jalen get a SB ring, and they can give the MVP to whoever they want. The flaws I see in his game this year is that he is holding the ball too long, and he is letting pressure move him off his spot. His mechanics regress when he feels pressure and he goes into backyard football mode.

The bolded is why I laughed at Joel and 76ers fans complaining about the mvp award. Shouldn’t you care more about winning a title then an individual award? This is why they will never win anything with Joel because he seems more concerned with indivi Success then team success l.

Honestly who cares about MVPs I care about the Lombardi trophy more so.

 

[Deamon]

Honestly who cares about MVPs I care about the Lombardi trophy more so.

What if Hurts is having an MVP season, leading the team to the 1 seed, and gets hurt before playoffs and Mariotta goes on a run and wins the SB.

Would you say Jalen was a huge part of us winning that Super Bowl? Like you do with Wentz?

I'm sure it would be "See, Jalen couldn't win the big game. Mariotta could"

 

[DJackson10]

Even with his tush pushes, he is middle of the road.

The Most Valuable Player award should go to the person who is most valuable to a team. Mahomes plays with third string WRs and late round RBs and wins rings. Hurts has all world OL, two top 10-15 WRs, and a stacked D. (Purdy the same as Hurts, plus much better stats ---but still not worthy).

I don't think the winning-est team record should weigh so heavily into it.

I've argue Stroud or Lamar over Hurts and Purdy quite easily.

I agree his stats are middle of the road... no one is arguing that? He also just finds ways to win. But if you don't think team win total should weigh so heavily, then yes, he wouldn't be in the conversation.

But again, it does play into it. And the "most valuable to a team" plays nothing into it.

So sure, I agree Hurts shouldn't be in the MVP conversation if Scooby1974 gets to decide the criteria of how the award is given out.

I appreciate that vote.

If I am the captain of my kickball team and the other captain stinks and just picks his friends...I get all the best players and they carry me to victory. That's Hurts and Purdy.

Mahomes, Stroud, and Lamar are the MVP front runners......they make their teams go.

This is what I’ve Argued about hurts his success is from guys around him. I’ve argued this about others too. My big one is Peyton manning probably wins more SBs then Brady if they had switched places. I don’t think Marvin Harrison would’ve put up with Brady’s **** for too long either and Tom also had an amazing defense in NE for yrs. Peyton had no defense.

I’ve argued Eli isn’t that good despite multiple SBs because of the supporting cast around him. Another good example is Dilfer in the Ravens. No harm in needing help though it’s a team game, however fans really need to know what elite and food is in the nfl and I feel elite gets thrown around too much same as GOAT it’s lost what it really means

 

[DJackson10]

Personally my opinion on MVP is someone who is most deserving in terms of putting up great numbers and how valueable they are to the whole team. Is the team still good without said player compared to the other players talked about? If yes I go elsewhere. I feel KC isn’t anywhere as good without Mahomes where the Eagles have proven in the past they are still sane good with a quality back up.

We also saw when Nrady tore his knee in NE and Natt Cassel came in they still won I believe 9-10 games that year. Indy loses Peyton and they aren’t a playoff team. So really if it’s a neck and neck race between those 2 I’m always going Peyton.

Then there’s a guy who blows numbers away like a Shohei Othani in Baseball on a horrible team putting up ridiculous numbers. He’s getting the MVP to me over the guy in the stacked team making the playoffs

 

[DJackson10]

Quez Watkins activated from IR

 

[unckeyherb]

Even with his tush pushes, he is middle of the road.

The Most Valuable Player award should go to the person who is most valuable to a team. Mahomes plays with third string WRs and late round RBs and wins rings. Hurts has all world OL, two top 10-15 WRs, and a stacked D. (Purdy the same as Hurts, plus much better stats ---but still not worthy).

I don't think the winning-est team record should weigh so heavily into it.

I've argue Stroud or Lamar over Hurts and Purdy quite easily.

I agree his stats are middle of the road... no one is arguing that? He also just finds ways to win. But if you don't think team win total should weigh so heavily, then yes, he wouldn't be in the conversation.

But again, it does play into it. And the "most valuable to a team" plays nothing into it.

So sure, I agree Hurts shouldn't be in the MVP conversation if Scooby1974 gets to decide the criteria of how the award is given out.

I appreciate that vote.

If I am the captain of my kickball team and the other captain stinks and just picks his friends...I get all the best players and they carry me to victory. That's Hurts and Purdy.

Mahomes, Stroud, and Lamar are the MVP front runners......they make their teams go.

Yeah no. You should watch them play. This team has 3-4 losses if they have anyone other than Jalen.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Personally my opinion on MVP is someone who is most deserving in terms of putting up great numbers and how valueable they are to the whole team. Is the team still good without said player compared to the other players talked about? If yes I go elsewhere. I feel KC isn’t anywhere as good without Mahomes where the Eagles have proven in the past they are still sane good with a quality back up.

We also saw when Nrady tore his knee in NE and Natt Cassel came in they still won I believe 9-10 games that year. Indy loses Peyton and they aren’t a playoff team. So really if it’s a neck and neck race between those 2 I’m always going Peyton.

Then there’s a guy who blows numbers away like a Shohei Othani in Baseball on a horrible team putting up ridiculous numbers. He’s getting the MVP to me over the guy in the stacked team making the playoffs

Even with his tush pushes, he is middle of the road.

The Most Valuable Player award should go to the person who is most valuable to a team. Mahomes plays with third string WRs and late round RBs and wins rings. Hurts has all world OL, two top 10-15 WRs, and a stacked D. (Purdy the same as Hurts, plus much better stats ---but still not worthy).

I don't think the winning-est team record should weigh so heavily into it.

I've argue Stroud or Lamar over Hurts and Purdy quite easily.

I agree his stats are middle of the road... no one is arguing that? He also just finds ways to win. But if you don't think team win total should weigh so heavily, then yes, he wouldn't be in the conversation.

But again, it does play into it. And the "most valuable to a team" plays nothing into it.

So sure, I agree Hurts shouldn't be in the MVP conversation if Scooby1974 gets to decide the criteria of how the award is given out.

I appreciate that vote.

If I am the captain of my kickball team and the other captain stinks and just picks his friends...I get all the best players and they carry me to victory. That's Hurts and Purdy.

Mahomes, Stroud, and Lamar are the MVP front runners......they make their teams go.

Yeah no. You should watch them play. This team has 3-4 losses if they have anyone other than Jalen.

No way this team is 9-1 without Jalen. Devonta and AJ are great, no doubt. But god forbid Mariota starts this year- we are toast. You could argue Maholmes or LJax would outperform Jalen with this team, but, it’s all hypothetical.

And comparing Jalen to Dilfer on the Ravens?!?! C’mon, man That, right there, is why you take so much crap in this thread. There’s stuff to criticize in Jalen’s game, but that’s way off base.

 

[unckeyherb]

Personally my opinion on MVP is someone who is most deserving in terms of putting up great numbers and how valueable they are to the whole team. Is the team still good without said player compared to the other players talked about? If yes I go elsewhere. I feel KC isn’t anywhere as good without Mahomes where the Eagles have proven in the past they are still sane good with a quality back up.

what the **** are you talking about? This team trucked everyone last year and when Jalen went out and their backup went in (a guys that is a starter this year fwiw) they did nothing but lose.

 

[Gachi]

P

Some random thoughts.

• I don't understand the luck talk. Unless the ball is taking weird bounces or deflections, it isn't luck. KC as a team is leading the league (or close to it) in dropped passes. It's who they are this year. When the other team plays poorly, Eagles are lucky. Eagles play poorly and they deserve to die in a fire? Very weird take.
• That being said, after 10 games everyone needs to stop waiting for the Eagles to play a complete game. Players, fans, keep saying it's going to happen like it's inevitable. Maybe this is what they are, a bit of a sloppy mess, but finding ways to win.
• Sloppy play takes me to coaching. OC feels like he's hitting the random button in Madden sometimes. No flow, nothing setting up future plays. Generally baffling decisions. My "favorite" last night was after a failed WR screen to the left, he tries a failed WR screen to the right. Maddening. The go ahead pass to Smith was an audible by Hurts, so what is Johnson bringing to the table?
• Desai is a better DC than Gannon, but that's a low bar and doesn't mean Desai is actually good. Still hate this style of defense, but we're stuck with it for now and at least dude makes adjustments and tries some different things. He's done more with less.
• Been a little disappointed with the oline this year, but that's because my expectations are so ridiculously high. Lane now just looks great instead of his usual best lineman in the game. I wonder how much longer he and Kelce will play. I'm sure Kelce would have retired if they won last year. Those are big shoes to fill. We've been so spoiled for so long and I don't want it to end!
• Hurts is legit. To say otherwise is being a hater, nothing else. He isn't perfect, no QB is. Did you see the errant throws Mahomes had last night? But how can you watch this guy play and not be thrilled he's on your team? Does he still have room for improvement? Yup. Is he still very young and can possibly improve? Also, yup.
• As frustrating as they've been to watch at times, they still have the best record in football. Ugly wins beat pretty losses every time, so enjoy the ride!

I don’t mind hurts at QB I just think our fanbase severely overrates him a lot . I also can’t stand his little quotes and sayings. You say we need to do better as a team but I don’t see it. Actions for me speak louder. I don’t give a **** about motivational quotes. I care more about Super Bowl trophies.

Good guy teammates seem to like him but man stop with the dam quotes. Just say I wasn’t my best today and that can’t happen for us to reach our goals and be done with it. Motivational quotes are used for teams like the dam Giants who suck or bears not us. At this point his standards are well above his capabilities f that he’s set himself up if not reaching them it looks like it was a failure. His pr team really needs to get him to stop with these. I will say the ladies seem to like the quotes though

He’s also not my type of QB play I want. I’d prefer the Herbert’s, prime Rodgers, Big Ben’s of the world Mahomes and our a similar style to McNabb. Nothing wrong with that. Randall Cunningham is my favorite QB all time but I understabd he’s not the type who’s gonna win ya a SB either if you are looking for a franchise QB not a quick over the hump.

I know your hate of Hurts has been discussed ad nauseam. But omg you are such a weirdo about him. Did him replacing Wentz bother you that much? I say this as someone who was against that decision initially.

He is a top 5 QB in the league and we are lucky as hell to have him. And you hate him, it’s just weirdo behavior from who I assume is a long time eagles fan.

Lastly, Hurts is better than McNabb could have ever wished to be. And McNabb is why I’m an eagles fan. He’s also better Herbert.

Time will tell if Hurts is in the company of Rogers and Big Ben, but he is well on his way.

I just don’t see hurts having that it factor to win a SB. Watching him play he looks like another QB who’s gonna put up very good regular season games but doesn’t have it to win the big one. Good player but I think he’s gonna be another stats guy.

We most likely would have won the SB if Hurts hadn’t fumbled. So I think this is a really dumb thing to say.

But you know what, it’s fine. You don’t like Jalen Hurts and you never will. You never give him credit for anything. I’m just gonna assume you’re upset Wentz was benched for him.

You’re entitled to your opinion, I’m not going to attack you about it. I kind of feel bad for you, Hurts is gonna be Philly’s QB the next 10+ years more than likely. That’s a long time to not like your teams QB. Howie has done an amazing job at building a team around him to succeed.

I’m confident he will remain a top player for years to come and he will bring a Super Bowl to Philly, maybe even this season. I love him.

 

[Scooby1974]

Personally my opinion on MVP is someone who is most deserving in terms of putting up great numbers and how valueable they are to the whole team. Is the team still good without said player compared to the other players talked about? If yes I go elsewhere. I feel KC isn’t anywhere as good without Mahomes where the Eagles have proven in the past they are still sane good with a quality back up.

what the **** are you talking about? This team trucked everyone last year and when Jalen went out and their backup went in (a guys that is a starter this year fwiw) they did nothing but lose.

Gardner Minshew is NOT A STARTER!!! Haaahahahaha

Hurts is mid. He is an average brain, behind the best OL withe two top 15 WR if he gets the ball to them. Plus he is a good running back.

 

[Scooby1974]

Even with his tush pushes, he is middle of the road.

The Most Valuable Player award should go to the person who is most valuable to a team. Mahomes plays with third string WRs and late round RBs and wins rings. Hurts has all world OL, two top 10-15 WRs, and a stacked D. (Purdy the same as Hurts, plus much better stats ---but still not worthy).

I don't think the winning-est team record should weigh so heavily into it.

I've argue Stroud or Lamar over Hurts and Purdy quite easily.

I agree his stats are middle of the road... no one is arguing that? He also just finds ways to win. But if you don't think team win total should weigh so heavily, then yes, he wouldn't be in the conversation.

But again, it does play into it. And the "most valuable to a team" plays nothing into it.

So sure, I agree Hurts shouldn't be in the MVP conversation if Scooby1974 gets to decide the criteria of how the award is given out.

I appreciate that vote.

If I am the captain of my kickball team and the other captain stinks and just picks his friends...I get all the best players and they carry me to victory. That's Hurts and Purdy.

Mahomes, Stroud, and Lamar are the MVP front runners......they make their teams go.

Yeah no. You should watch them play. This team has 3-4 losses if they have anyone other than Jalen.

3-4....hahHaha...if most teams lost their starter, they'd lose nearly EVERY GAME.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Even with his tush pushes, he is middle of the road.

The Most Valuable Player award should go to the person who is most valuable to a team. Mahomes plays with third string WRs and late round RBs and wins rings. Hurts has all world OL, two top 10-15 WRs, and a stacked D. (Purdy the same as Hurts, plus much better stats ---but still not worthy).

I don't think the winning-est team record should weigh so heavily into it.

I've argue Stroud or Lamar over Hurts and Purdy quite easily.

I agree his stats are middle of the road... no one is arguing that? He also just finds ways to win. But if you don't think team win total should weigh so heavily, then yes, he wouldn't be in the conversation.

But again, it does play into it. And the "most valuable to a team" plays nothing into it.

So sure, I agree Hurts shouldn't be in the MVP conversation if Scooby1974 gets to decide the criteria of how the award is given out.

I appreciate that vote.

If I am the captain of my kickball team and the other captain stinks and just picks his friends...I get all the best players and they carry me to victory. That's Hurts and Purdy.

Mahomes, Stroud, and Lamar are the MVP front runners......they make their teams go.

Yeah no. You should watch them play. This team has 3-4 losses if they have anyone other than Jalen.

3-4....hahHaha...if most teams lost their starter, they'd lose nearly EVERY GAME.

Yeah, it's tough to win the Super Bowl with a back up QB...oh wait.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Personally my opinion on MVP is someone who is most deserving in terms of putting up great numbers and how valueable they are to the whole team. Is the team still good without said player compared to the other players talked about? If yes I go elsewhere. I feel KC isn’t anywhere as good without Mahomes where the Eagles have proven in the past they are still sane good with a quality back up.

what the **** are you talking about? This team trucked everyone last year and when Jalen went out and their backup went in (a guys that is a starter this year fwiw) they did nothing but lose.

Gardner Minshew is NOT A STARTER!!! Haaahahahaha

Hurts is mid. He is an average brain, behind the best OL withe two top 15 WR if he gets the ball to them. Plus he is a good running back.

Disagree. Clearly, you don’t watch much Eagles ball, outside of highlights. He ‘s a better than average processor, with a deep knowledge of the game. You’re re-hashing 2021, early 2022 arguments. The OL is good, top 5-10, for sure, but there have been a lot of issues this year. Especially in pass pro.

He hasn’t been a good running back all year. And the WR thing- I’m just glad we don’t have to find out how he’d do with crappy WRs. Howie learned that lesson. I guess Reid hasn’t, yet.

Bottom line, Hurts is unarguably a top 5 QB.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Howie learned that lesson. I guess Reid hasn’t, yet.

 

[Insein]

Eagles have a chance to wrap up the #1 seed in the next 3 weeks. Not entirely but essentially. Eagles win the next 3, they'll be 12-1 and Niners and Cowboys would be 9-4 both having lost to the Eagles with 4 games left at that point.

So a lot on the line tomorrow.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

This team has 3-4 losses if they have anyone other than Jalen.

Anyone??

 

[ProstheticRGK]

This team has 3-4 losses if they have anyone other than Jalen.

Anyone??

Anyone except Syd Finch. Or Johnny Utah in his prime- before the knee.