Eephus
Footballguy
They are right at the second apron with fifteen guaranteed contracts so there's very little wiggle room.
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2024-25 NBA Thread: for the second time, somebody in Dallas hits low percentage shot that leads to a generation of conspiracy theories (32 Viewers)
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They are right at the second apron with fifteen guaranteed contracts so there's very little wiggle room.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I think they overreacted to what happened with Caruso and Talen Horton Tucker, and entered this mode of locking up their young players early to keep them under team control cheaply. Problem is they're mostly just young players, not good young players. That first part of the equation seems to have been overlooked. Now they have no flexibility roster wise.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I’m not sure what you mean about Caruso and tucker? They did give Tucker a contract early, I think the longest they could since he was a second rounder and had to dump it because he wasn’t good enough. And They easily could have matched the contract that caruso got from the bulls, if memory serves.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Somewhat related, the bulls made the playoffs at 30-52 in 1985, though there were only 11 teams in the conference. I think that’s they worst ever for a playoff team
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Looks like the East did have 6 50-loss teams in 2009-2010. Pacers were 10th at 32-50.
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Looks like Ollivari was just signed to a two-way, unless you already knew that and were hoping for something guaranteed
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
And Japanese player Yuki Kawamhura signs a two way with the grizz, making him the shortest player in the nba at 5’8”
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Some of these passes are ridiculous: https://x.com/Ballislife/status/1846163801789571204
Gr00vus
Footballguy
IIRC they let Caruso go so they could keep Tucker. They had opportunities to sign both of them sooner for less and didn't. Now they're doing the opposite - with also bad results.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I hadn't seen that when I wrote initially, so I'm glad they kept him on the 2 way deal. Castleton's useless, so no real loss there.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I don’t think that’s true about Caruso: https://www.silverscreenandroll.com...cago-bulls-luxury-tax-rob-pelinka-jeanie-buss
the moops
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
From the comments on that article:
"Once Nunn and THT were signed, there was zero chance of re-signing AC."
So it wasn't just Tucker, it was also Nunn that led the the Lakers not having room under the 2nd threshhold to sign Caruso. Whom they could have signed to an extension more cheaply a few years prior.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I guess what I’m saying is that at that time, there was no structural cba problem or downside to giving him the same contract as the bulls did. The team is the second most valuable in the league and was coming off of a championship with a star player who was aging out of being the best player on a championship team. And it was just to save money.
Didn’t necessarily mean to make this a big thing. It would aggravate me if I were a laker fan that they were unwilling to pay more in taxes to try to win another championship. But I’m not and they wouldn’t have won anyone since Lebron got hurt so
Gr00vus
Footballguy
No argument, it was definitely just to save money. Beyond that they made really bad choices about how to save money / who to save money on - they prioritized Nunn and Tucker (who they paid more money to than they offered Caruso) over Caruso.I guess what I’m saying is that at that time, there was no structural cba problem or downside to giving him the same contract as the bulls did. The team is the second most valuable in the league and was coming off of a championship with a star player who was aging out of being the best player on a championship team. And it was just to save money.
Didn’t necessarily mean to make this a big thing. It would aggravate me if I were a laker fan that they were unwilling to pay more in taxes to try to win another championship. But I’m not and they wouldn’t have won anyone since Lebron got hurt so
And now they're making sort of the opposite types of bad decisions by handing out guaranteed contracts beyond the minimum necessary to all their unproven guys to try to avoid being in the situation they were in with Caruso. That's the point I was initially making. It's probably a better mistake to make than the Caruso one, but it's left them with very little roster flexibility as they're locked into guys like Max Lewis, Bronny, and Hood-Schifino (who was a mistake on multiple levels). Hooray, you've got your young cheap non-talent locked up!
Kev4029
Footballguy
The Nuggets and Lakers just love giving out unnecessary player options. Sometimes I get it (Christian Wood last year, Bruce Brown two years ago) to incentivize player that may have multiple teams pursuing them for similar money, but sometimes it makes zero ****ing sense (Reddish last year, Saric and Westbrook this year) - if that is what it is taking to get guys like that, let them find different homes.No argument, it was definitely just to save money. Beyond that they made really bad choices about how to save money / who to save money on - they prioritized Nunn and Tucker (who they paid more money to than they offered Caruso) over Caruso.I guess what I’m saying is that at that time, there was no structural cba problem or downside to giving him the same contract as the bulls did. The team is the second most valuable in the league and was coming off of a championship with a star player who was aging out of being the best player on a championship team. And it was just to save money.
Didn’t necessarily mean to make this a big thing. It would aggravate me if I were a laker fan that they were unwilling to pay more in taxes to try to win another championship. But I’m not and they wouldn’t have won anyone since Lebron got hurt so
And now they're making sort of the opposite types of bad decisions by handing out guaranteed contracts beyond the minimum necessary to all their unproven guys to try to avoid being in the situation they were in with Caruso. That's the point I was initially making. It's probably a better mistake to make than the Caruso one, but it's left them with very little roster flexibility as they're locked into guys like Max Lewis, Bronny, and Hood-Schifino (who was a mistake on multiple levels). Hooray, you've got your young cheap non-talent locked up!
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
It’s a pretty good move for the warriors even though Kerr doesn’t really seem to like him that much. Like you said, at the MLE, a quality rotation player on the wing who still has some more theoretical upside
I think he’s a rotation player and he got rotation player money. Seems fair.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Why have we never done a fantasy basketball league with this group?
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Fear, intimidation.
Eephus
Footballguy
Fantasy rules aren't convoluted enough for this crew
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I need a motivational speech from Kevin Garnett every Monday morning. That dude gets me fired up.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Did you play ball in Europe?
SWC
Bromigo
just cheapshot someone and then run away and bam you and have just turned into kevin garnett take that to the bank brohans
at this story about Dirk calling Garnett the N word
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
breaking news: water is wet
Jayrod
Footballguy
He and Klay on on the same trajectory.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Apparently everyone was waiting on moody in order to break the rookie extension logjam…
Murphy
Suggs
Green
Kispert
Murphy
Suggs
Green
Kispert
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Ok buckle up, here is what I’m thinking for the draft/auction with dice randomization. I’ll create a new thread where we can discuss the finer points more once I know enough people are interested in this format.
Who’d He Play For 24-25 NBA Draftauction
- 12 rounds to create one 12-man team for the upcoming 2024-25 NBA season
- Players are bucketed into one of eight buckets based on where they played prior to the NBA (we can discuss intricacies in the thread once up, but I tried to balance them out as much as I could based on some various media rankings for the season). Players are only eligible in one bucket.
- Everyone must take at least 1 and at most 2 players from each bucket.
- Everyone starts with a $1000 budget to determine draft order each round. You bid on your draft position before each round, highest bid goes first, lowest goes last. You must save enough left to have at least $1 remaining for all remaining rounds. Dollars only, no cents.
- Before bidding for draft position, I will roll a dice randomizer to determine which bucket we will be drafting from in the upcoming round, and also to make @Eephus happy. Once a bucket is rolled twice we will no longer draft from it.
- We’ll vote to see who has the best team after the draft and I can also throw everything into a Fantrax site to track the stats for us nerds who like to watch.
- Option 1 - we roll one bucket at a time and auction for draft order each round and do that 12 times.
- Option 2 - we roll for two buckets at a time and auction for the two-round order. Bidding is for the first of two rounds with a serpentine/reverse order for the second (last pick in the first round goes first in the second round). You can pick from either bucket first, but have to pick from both buckets in the two-round drafting. We do this six times until the 12- man rosters are filled.
Option 1 example - I roll the dice and we land on the ACC bucket. Everyone bids for draft order for that bucket and highest bid goes first. When that round is complete with only players from the ACC bucket drafted, we roll for the next round bucket and bid for the next round. Do this for 12 rounds.
Option 2 example - I roll the dice twice and we land on the ACC and PAC-12 buckets. Everyone bids for the first round, with the second round reverse order of the first. Highest bidder picks first in the first round and last in the second round. Only players from the ACC and PAC-12 buckets can be selected, and everyone has to take one player from each bucket, but you can choose which bucket you pick from first.
Easy as Pi?
Let me know if either of these options sounds good (we can vote once I set up the new thread for the draft/auction). I could simplify if needed but that would be lame.
Who’d He Play For 24-25 NBA Draftauction
- 12 rounds to create one 12-man team for the upcoming 2024-25 NBA season
- Players are bucketed into one of eight buckets based on where they played prior to the NBA (we can discuss intricacies in the thread once up, but I tried to balance them out as much as I could based on some various media rankings for the season). Players are only eligible in one bucket.
- Everyone must take at least 1 and at most 2 players from each bucket.
- Everyone starts with a $1000 budget to determine draft order each round. You bid on your draft position before each round, highest bid goes first, lowest goes last. You must save enough left to have at least $1 remaining for all remaining rounds. Dollars only, no cents.
- Before bidding for draft position, I will roll a dice randomizer to determine which bucket we will be drafting from in the upcoming round, and also to make @Eephus happy. Once a bucket is rolled twice we will no longer draft from it.
- We’ll vote to see who has the best team after the draft and I can also throw everything into a Fantrax site to track the stats for us nerds who like to watch.
- Option 1 - we roll one bucket at a time and auction for draft order each round and do that 12 times.
- Option 2 - we roll for two buckets at a time and auction for the two-round order. Bidding is for the first of two rounds with a serpentine/reverse order for the second (last pick in the first round goes first in the second round). You can pick from either bucket first, but have to pick from both buckets in the two-round drafting. We do this six times until the 12- man rosters are filled.
Option 1 example - I roll the dice and we land on the ACC bucket. Everyone bids for draft order for that bucket and highest bid goes first. When that round is complete with only players from the ACC bucket drafted, we roll for the next round bucket and bid for the next round. Do this for 12 rounds.
Option 2 example - I roll the dice twice and we land on the ACC and PAC-12 buckets. Everyone bids for the first round, with the second round reverse order of the first. Highest bidder picks first in the first round and last in the second round. Only players from the ACC and PAC-12 buckets can be selected, and everyone has to take one player from each bucket, but you can choose which bucket you pick from first.
Easy as Pi?
Let me know if either of these options sounds good (we can vote once I set up the new thread for the draft/auction). I could simplify if needed but that would be lame.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
The Bulls and Josh Giddey did not reach an extension. Giddey is looking for 30M a year. Murphy at 4 years/112M is 28 per year.
Maybe not such an excessive request from Giddey.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I am inOk buckle up, here is what I’m thinking for the draft/auction with dice randomization. I’ll create a new thread where we can discuss the finer points more once I know enough people are interested in this format.
Who’d He Play For 24-25 NBA Draftauction
- 12 rounds to create one 12-man team for the upcoming 2024-25 NBA season
- Players are bucketed into one of eight buckets based on where they played prior to the NBA (we can discuss intricacies in the thread once up, but I tried to balance them out as much as I could based on some various media rankings for the season). Players are only eligible in one bucket.
- Everyone must take at least 1 and at most 2 players from each bucket.
- Everyone starts with a $1000 budget to determine draft order each round. You bid on your draft position before each round, highest bid goes first, lowest goes last. You must save enough left to have at least $1 remaining for all remaining rounds. Dollars only, no cents.
- Before bidding for draft position, I will roll a dice randomizer to determine which bucket we will be drafting from in the upcoming round, and also to make @Eephus happy. Once a bucket is rolled twice we will no longer draft from it.
- We’ll vote to see who has the best team after the draft and I can also throw everything into a Fantrax site to track the stats for us nerds who like to watch.
- Option 1 - we roll one bucket at a time and auction for draft order each round and do that 12 times.
- Option 2 - we roll for two buckets at a time and auction for the two-round order. Bidding is for the first of two rounds with a serpentine/reverse order for the second (last pick in the first round goes first in the second round). You can pick from either bucket first, but have to pick from both buckets in the two-round drafting. We do this six times until the 12- man rosters are filled.
Option 1 example - I roll the dice and we land on the ACC bucket. Everyone bids for draft order for that bucket and highest bid goes first. When that round is complete with only players from the ACC bucket drafted, we roll for the next round bucket and bid for the next round. Do this for 12 rounds.
Option 2 example - I roll the dice twice and we land on the ACC and PAC-12 buckets. Everyone bids for the first round, with the second round reverse order of the first. Highest bidder picks first in the first round and last in the second round. Only players from the ACC and PAC-12 buckets can be selected, and everyone has to take one player from each bucket, but you can choose which bucket you pick from first.
Easy as Pi?
Let me know if either of these options sounds good (we can vote once I set up the new thread for the draft/auction). I could simplify if needed but that would be lame.
the moops
Footballguy
Gonna be a ******* disaster of a cluster so of course I am in
the moops
Footballguy
How do you leave Sengun off this list!
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
He's got A LOT to prove this season.
No shot I'd have given him 30/mil right now. He's shown to be a liability on both ends so far (w/o the ball and defensively). He's going to have every opportunity to stuff the stat sheet in Chicago. I still don't think that'll parlay to a $30m/yr long term deal unless he morphs into a player able to play off ball some and starts defending. He just turned 22 so I guess it's still possible. Even on a team with Lavine/Coby White/Buzelis/Vuc, he's going to have to play off ball some.
I am surprised how good Lonzo Ball looks so far after almost 3 years away from the court. He never relied on his athleticism but he definitely still looks like he belongs on an NBA court. He's looked very confident shooting from deep.
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
If he can have a career arc like Shaun Livingston that would be a tremendous success.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
They've got an embarrassment of riches of talent there. Just silly.
They're the first team I'm going to if I have a superstar and I'm looking to move to start a rebuild.
SWC
Bromigo
should have traded him and kept drue take that to the bank brohan
Major
Footballguy
Happy they locked up Alpe for 5 years and didn't go all in with Jalen - It's some sort of 2 or 3 year option contract.
Major
Footballguy
Yep, I worry they have so many good players but not enough great ones.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Look at me! I have no cents and I'd like to play.
Eephus
Footballguy
They're going to have to extend Jabari Smith this time next year which will push them into apronville.
If they're going to attract a star, I guess they can plug him into Van Vleet's slot in 26-27 but then they'll have to replace FVV. They have a bunch of draft picks to play with as well.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
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Jayrod
Footballguy
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