The Captain
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Get ready for Sheldon WhiteThe GM hire is huge. Can't screw this one up.
Get ready for Sheldon WhiteThe GM hire is huge. Can't screw this one up.
It was 1980. Happened on the day I was born.All of your memories are of games they win? Are you sure you're a Lions fan? My memory is '80 or '81. Lions-Bears go to overtime. As soon as regulation ends, we quickly pile in the car and make the 5-minute drive to our friends for Thanksgiving dinner, figuring we'll watch OT there. We get out of the car and our friends say, "Game's over. Bears took the kickoff back for a TD."
that day was the only day the turkey ever tasted badIt was 1980. Happened on the day I was born.All of your memories are of games they win? Are you sure you're a Lions fan?My memory is '80 or '81. Lions-Bears go to overtime. As soon as regulation ends, we quickly pile in the car and make the 5-minute drive to our friends for Thanksgiving dinner, figuring we'll watch OT there. We get out of the car and our friends say, "Game's over. Bears took the kickoff back for a TD."
One team with a winning record, and we already beat them at home!!! I want to believe.vs Pack
@ Rams
@ Saints
vs 49ers
@ Bears.
9-7 watch out!!
Maybe an exaggeration, but yeah, thats what I've been thinking for most of the season. Hope we invest in some talented O-line people in the draft ala DallasMan, when Det is capable of actually protecting Stafford he looks like an All Pro QB. It's a sham they do it so rarely.
The turn around of this team after the OC change is pretty amazing. Caldwell was a dead man walking. Now, he's almost assured to be back next year.
He has moments of terrible lapses, but when he's not getting slammed to the ground every other snap, yeah he's been pretty good.And this is why I think it would be a horrible decision to let Stafford go (trade, whatever). He is a GOOD QB, just needs some protection!
Again - totally agree. Do not want to see us move on from Stafford and start afresh at all. I think Baltimore and Flacco are a reasonable comparison. They won a Superbowl with a QB of perhaps similar standing by having a good management structure, good coaches and by building talent in the correct areas.And this is why I think it would be a horrible decision to let Stafford go (trade, whatever). He is a GOOD QB, just needs some protection!
There's actually a chance (Cue Dumb & Dumber clip) that they make the playoffs at 9-7, with the mess that is the NFL this season.One team with a winning record, and we already beat them at home!!! I want to believe.vs Pack
@ Rams
@ Saints
vs 49ers
@ Bears.
9-7 watch out!!
Been a busy work for me with guests flying in, missed the Accorsi hire:Get ready for Sheldon WhiteThe GM hire is huge. Can't screw this one up.
Im trying to enjoy the winning and I don't mind them screwing up the draft pick. What concerns me is the hiring of the GM. There is a real possibility that Martha and the Trust Fund Kids will ignore any advice from outside counsel and hire from within. Sheldon White is blowing so much smoke up Martha's a$$ and if she's anything like her husband she will eat that up. My hope is that she's smart enough to realize that White has had nothing to with the winning streak.It's hard to evaluate how good your team or players are when you're stomping on a team that has mentally checked out.
Playing for pride. I'd much rather see the effort in vain "screwing up the draft slot" than packing it in.
One of the two sacks came late. I think in the first half the Eagles had two hurries, one hit, no sacks. When Stafford gets smacked 10-12 times a game (regardless of how many times they get there) Matthew gets jittery. He was very relaxed yesterday. Fun to watch when he is on.
Cooter has made Tate relevant again. Not sure how Moore's status is but they are woefully thin at WR.
Ansah was on fire yesterday. From the little I saw it didn't seem like they blitzed much - that's huge when you can drop 7 and still get pressure.
Pretty sure the 3-4 complimentary remarks all contained caveats. He's good when he has time, and and with this o-line that has been rare.It is funny to see people jumping back on the Stafford bandwagon now.
Maybe the offense before was too bland. Lombardi wasnt a good OC.
You might want to go back and re-watch some of those first couple of games. Once again he played like a deer in headlights. A rookie.. No line adjustments to pick up blitzers. You never saw him pointing out possible blitzing linebackers to the line.
Brady was give hit over and over Monday night and he didn't lose the game for his team throwing up 3-4 picks.
Once again Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB. Oh sure when everything clicks he is great. But like in baseball the truly great pitchers can win when they dont have their good stuff. When things are not going well for Stafford it's like his brain shuts off. That type of guy is not going to get you to a super bowl.
I am pretty sure just about every QB in the league is better statically when they have time to throw the ball. Once again it's about what the QB can do or get out of the offense when things are not going well.Pretty sure the 3-4 complimentary remarks all contained caveats. He's good when he has time, and and with this o-line that has been rare.It is funny to see people jumping back on the Stafford bandwagon now.
Maybe the offense before was too bland. Lombardi wasnt a good OC.
You might want to go back and re-watch some of those first couple of games. Once again he played like a deer in headlights. A rookie.. No line adjustments to pick up blitzers. You never saw him pointing out possible blitzing linebackers to the line.
Brady was give hit over and over Monday night and he didn't lose the game for his team throwing up 3-4 picks.
Once again Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB. Oh sure when everything clicks he is great. But like in baseball the truly great pitchers can win when they dont have their good stuff. When things are not going well for Stafford it's like his brain shuts off. That type of guy is not going to get you to a super bowl.
No QB plays well behind terrible olines. Car has actually protected Cam very well. WR troubles are nothing compared to oline troubles.I am pretty sure just about every QB in the league is better statically when they have time to throw the ball. Once again it's about what the QB can do or get out of the offense when things are not going well.Pretty sure the 3-4 complimentary remarks all contained caveats. He's good when he has time, and and with this o-line that has been rare.It is funny to see people jumping back on the Stafford bandwagon now.
Maybe the offense before was too bland. Lombardi wasnt a good OC.
You might want to go back and re-watch some of those first couple of games. Once again he played like a deer in headlights. A rookie.. No line adjustments to pick up blitzers. You never saw him pointing out possible blitzing linebackers to the line.
Brady was give hit over and over Monday night and he didn't lose the game for his team throwing up 3-4 picks.
Once again Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB. Oh sure when everything clicks he is great. But like in baseball the truly great pitchers can win when they dont have their good stuff. When things are not going well for Stafford it's like his brain shuts off. That type of guy is not going to get you to a super bowl.
Cam Newton has elevated his game this year with a patch work receiving core. Do you ever see Stafford taking that step up? His production relies way too much on others performing well.
Agreed.It was tough to get a good read on yesterdays game. It looked like the Eagles came out with zero emotion and even when only down by one score seemed to quit. The body language late in the first quarter told the tale..all were just sitting on the bench shaking their heads. When a defense quits and plays without any kind of intensity it turns into a "Pro-Bowl" type of game. No pass rush, no much hitting, just waiting for the game to end.
I'd split the difference. Yesterday was the only good offensive game during this stretch, so I'm willing to chalk that up to Philly quitting. But given Austin's track record and three straight strong defensive performances, I think it's fair to say they're getting back to (though not matching) what made them so strong last yearAgreed. On the other hand, we just saw a 1-7 team win in Lambeau, shut down the #6 passing attack, and a third straight outstanding defensive effort yesterday.It was tough to get a good read on yesterdays game. It looked like the Eagles came out with zero emotion and even when only down by one score seemed to quit. The body language late in the first quarter told the tale..all were just sitting on the bench shaking their heads. When a defense quits and plays without any kind of intensity it turns into a "Pro-Bowl" type of game. No pass rush, no much hitting, just waiting for the game to end.
Seems every time I watch the Pathers play this year they talk about Cam maturing.. being more of a leader. The improvement he has made in his audibling and reading the defense. It's funny cause I dont hear these things about Stafford but i guess its the OL fault.No QB plays well behind terrible olines. Car has actually protected Cam very well. WR troubles are nothing compared to oline troubles.I am pretty sure just about every QB in the league is better statically when they have time to throw the ball. Once again it's about what the QB can do or get out of the offense when things are not going well.Pretty sure the 3-4 complimentary remarks all contained caveats. He's good when he has time, and and with this o-line that has been rare.It is funny to see people jumping back on the Stafford bandwagon now.
Maybe the offense before was too bland. Lombardi wasnt a good OC.
You might want to go back and re-watch some of those first couple of games. Once again he played like a deer in headlights. A rookie.. No line adjustments to pick up blitzers. You never saw him pointing out possible blitzing linebackers to the line.
Brady was give hit over and over Monday night and he didn't lose the game for his team throwing up 3-4 picks.
Once again Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB. Oh sure when everything clicks he is great. But like in baseball the truly great pitchers can win when they dont have their good stuff. When things are not going well for Stafford it's like his brain shuts off. That type of guy is not going to get you to a super bowl.
Cam Newton has elevated his game this year with a patch work receiving core. Do you ever see Stafford taking that step up? His production relies way too much on others performing well.
You're not making any sense.Last year Russell Wilson was sacked more times then Matt Stafford... yet Seattle went to the Super Bowl. Oh wait.. yes, it was all about their defense. Well, wasnt the Lions defense one of the top defenses most of last year?
This year KC, Clev, Seattle, Miami, Tennessee's QBs have been sacked more times then Lions QBs. Yet they all have a better QB rating then Lions QBs.
So if how many times a QB get sacked dictates how well he plays then this is just mind blowing cause it dont make sense.
So if you are giving Stafford a free pass because of the line play this season. What's his excuse for his career? His ugly winning percentage against winning teams. An even uglier one against winning teams on the road.
That's the problem with this team and it's fan base. Settling for minimal results.
I still don't think he is doing the reading part.I'm just gonna presume you started reading the thread this week.
Bars still close around 2 a.m. in Michigan? Makes perfect sense.You're not making any sense.Last year Russell Wilson was sacked more times then Matt Stafford... yet Seattle went to the Super Bowl. Oh wait.. yes, it was all about their defense. Well, wasnt the Lions defense one of the top defenses most of last year?
This year KC, Clev, Seattle, Miami, Tennessee's QBs have been sacked more times then Lions QBs. Yet they all have a better QB rating then Lions QBs.
So if how many times a QB get sacked dictates how well he plays then this is just mind blowing cause it dont make sense.
So if you are giving Stafford a free pass because of the line play this season. What's his excuse for his career? His ugly winning percentage against winning teams. An even uglier one against winning teams on the road.
That's the problem with this team and it's fan base. Settling for minimal results.
I never jumped off.It is funny to see people jumping back on the Stafford bandwagon now.
Maybe the offense before was too bland. Lombardi wasnt a good OC.
You might want to go back and re-watch some of those first couple of games. Once again he played like a deer in headlights. A rookie.. No line adjustments to pick up blitzers. You never saw him pointing out possible blitzing linebackers to the line.
Brady was give hit over and over Monday night and he didn't lose the game for his team throwing up 3-4 picks.
Once again Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB. Oh sure when everything clicks he is great. But like in baseball the truly great pitchers can win when they dont have their good stuff. When things are not going well for Stafford it's like his brain shuts off. That type of guy is not going to get you to a super bowl.
There is this neat little option on this forum which allows you to scroll back and read older posts. I might not live here like you, but I been here.I'm just gonna presume you started reading the thread this week.
Of course not stats and cold hard facts usually dont when you are drunk on Lions kool aid.You're not making any sense.Last year Russell Wilson was sacked more times then Matt Stafford... yet Seattle went to the Super Bowl. Oh wait.. yes, it was all about their defense. Well, wasnt the Lions defense one of the top defenses most of last year?
This year KC, Clev, Seattle, Miami, Tennessee's QBs have been sacked more times then Lions QBs. Yet they all have a better QB rating then Lions QBs.
So if how many times a QB get sacked dictates how well he plays then this is just mind blowing cause it dont make sense.
So if you are giving Stafford a free pass because of the line play this season. What's his excuse for his career? His ugly winning percentage against winning teams. An even uglier one against winning teams on the road.
That's the problem with this team and it's fan base. Settling for minimal results.
Problem is a QB's arm strength does not equal success. Ask Jay Cutler. You need something upstairs more so then a cannon arm. Joe Montana and Tom Brady dont have cannon arms.I never jumped off.It is funny to see people jumping back on the Stafford bandwagon now.
Maybe the offense before was too bland. Lombardi wasnt a good OC.
You might want to go back and re-watch some of those first couple of games. Once again he played like a deer in headlights. A rookie.. No line adjustments to pick up blitzers. You never saw him pointing out possible blitzing linebackers to the line.
Brady was give hit over and over Monday night and he didn't lose the game for his team throwing up 3-4 picks.
Once again Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB. Oh sure when everything clicks he is great. But like in baseball the truly great pitchers can win when they dont have their good stuff. When things are not going well for Stafford it's like his brain shuts off. That type of guy is not going to get you to a super bowl.
Maybe the best arm talent in the league.
Why go to a bar when BobbyLayne passes out the Lions Kool aid here daily. I can't wait until the next Caldwell Presser so you can break it down and get us all fired up over his comments.Bars still close around 2 a.m. in Michigan? Makes perfect sense.You're not making any sense.Last year Russell Wilson was sacked more times then Matt Stafford... yet Seattle went to the Super Bowl. Oh wait.. yes, it was all about their defense. Well, wasnt the Lions defense one of the top defenses most of last year?
This year KC, Clev, Seattle, Miami, Tennessee's QBs have been sacked more times then Lions QBs. Yet they all have a better QB rating then Lions QBs.
So if how many times a QB get sacked dictates how well he plays then this is just mind blowing cause it dont make sense.
So if you are giving Stafford a free pass because of the line play this season. What's his excuse for his career? His ugly winning percentage against winning teams. An even uglier one against winning teams on the road.
That's the problem with this team and it's fan base. Settling for minimal results.
I didn't say arm strength did I? Also - you are really bringing hard hitting stuff when you tell us Stafford isn't Joe Montana.Seekay said:Problem is a QB's arm strength does not equal success. Ask Jay Cutler. You need something upstairs more so then a cannon arm. Joe Montana and Tom Brady dont have cannon arms.matuski said:I never jumped off.It is funny to see people jumping back on the Stafford bandwagon now.
Maybe the offense before was too bland. Lombardi wasnt a good OC.
You might want to go back and re-watch some of those first couple of games. Once again he played like a deer in headlights. A rookie.. No line adjustments to pick up blitzers. You never saw him pointing out possible blitzing linebackers to the line.
Brady was give hit over and over Monday night and he didn't lose the game for his team throwing up 3-4 picks.
Once again Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB. Oh sure when everything clicks he is great. But like in baseball the truly great pitchers can win when they dont have their good stuff. When things are not going well for Stafford it's like his brain shuts off. That type of guy is not going to get you to a super bowl.
Maybe the best arm talent in the league.
He's clearly just trying to fish for responses. Just let him fad away.Stafford's road record against winning teams is obviously dreadful as alluded to, but simply throwing the stat up there as an emblem to beat him with and lay 100% blame on him is overtly simplistic and beneath the level of conversation that is in this thread for the main. Embedded in that record are games such as Seattle on the road this year, or even Dallas in the playoffs last year. Tell me - what did Stafford do wrong when he took us up the entire field in clutch right at the end of the Seattle game ?
Nobody on here is drinking Stafford kool aid. Most of the posts are reasoned and self aware of his flaws. Seekay's 'anti-kool aid' posts are the closest you'll find to biased rhetoric with a clear pre-formed agenda in this thread.
I would not say 3/4 the league would attempt to pick him up as he would want a good chunk of change and not all teams can afford to waste that on "ability" alone.The teams Stafford has been on in the NFL along with basically no coaching has lead to where he is today, still room to grow and improve with solid coaching.
If he was let go right now, 3/4 of the league would come scrambling to try an sign him. (and he's still quite young despite the time he has spent in this league)
He's a good QB with skills, that needs to improve which I believe any decent coaching will push him in that direction..
That is really untrue.. lol. If that was the case then Aaaron Rogers would be taking a lot more sacks then Matt Stafford every year. Seattle's offensive line pass block as been as bad if not worse then the Lions the last two years.Comparing a mobile QB like RW to Stafford isn't fair. RW extends a lot of plays which leads to more sacks.
Ooooh I can play this game too. Nor did I say you said arm strength.I didn't say arm strength did I? Also - you are really bringing hard hitting stuff when you tell us Stafford isn't Joe Montana.Seekay said:Problem is a QB's arm strength does not equal success. Ask Jay Cutler. You need something upstairs more so then a cannon arm. Joe Montana and Tom Brady dont have cannon arms.matuski said:I never jumped off.It is funny to see people jumping back on the Stafford bandwagon now.
Maybe the offense before was too bland. Lombardi wasnt a good OC.
You might want to go back and re-watch some of those first couple of games. Once again he played like a deer in headlights. A rookie.. No line adjustments to pick up blitzers. You never saw him pointing out possible blitzing linebackers to the line.
Brady was give hit over and over Monday night and he didn't lose the game for his team throwing up 3-4 picks.
Once again Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB. Oh sure when everything clicks he is great. But like in baseball the truly great pitchers can win when they dont have their good stuff. When things are not going well for Stafford it's like his brain shuts off. That type of guy is not going to get you to a super bowl.
Maybe the best arm talent in the league.
He's clearly just trying to fish for responses. Just let him fade away.Stafford's road record against winning teams is obviously dreadful as alluded to, but simply throwing the stat up there as an emblem to beat him with and lay 100% blame on him is overtly simplistic and beneath the level of conversation that is in this thread for the main. Embedded in that record are games such as Seattle on the road this year, or even Dallas in the playoffs last year. Tell me - what did Stafford do wrong when he took us up the entire field in clutch right at the end of the Seattle game ?
Nobody on here is drinking Stafford kool aid. Most of the posts are reasoned and self aware of his flaws. Seekay's 'anti-kool aid' posts are the closest you'll find to biased rhetoric with a clear pre-formed agenda in this thread.
I didnt write the article I just posted the link. I dont work for Yahoo but thanks for the credit.I would like to thank Seekay for his insightful post alerting us all that the Lions (a bad team) have lost a lot of games over the last several years.
All good points here.I'd split the difference. Yesterday was the only good offensive game during this stretch, so I'm willing to chalk that up to Philly quitting. But given Austin's track record and three straight strong defensive performances, I think it's fair to say they're getting back to (though not matching) what made them so strong last yearAgreed.On the other hand, we just saw a 1-7 team win in Lambeau, shut down the #6 passing attack, and a third straight outstanding defensive effort yesterday.It was tough to get a good read on yesterdays game. It looked like the Eagles came out with zero emotion and even when only down by one score seemed to quit. The body language late in the first quarter told the tale..all were just sitting on the bench shaking their heads. When a defense quits and plays without any kind of intensity it turns into a "Pro-Bowl" type of game. No pass rush, no much hitting, just waiting for the game to end.