Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Traveling to see a preseason game shows some real dedication. Either that or there are a lot more Lions fans living there than I thought.
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2024 Detroit Lions 15-2: Best Lion season ever...so far. (5 Viewers)
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Traveling to see a preseason game shows some real dedication. Either that or there are a lot more Lions fans living there than I thought.
Glad I got the Colts game tickets already. Colts fan are going to have a hard time picking up tickets.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
They don’t kick XP in the UFL. I know it’s a bunny you have to make 95% + but just another example of how thin Bates resume is - he had never attempted an XP in game before tonight. Not an excuse, just pointing out he is a raw K with a howitzer leg.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
All 22 Films DET 24 KC reaction video
Coach with a good breakdown.
Missed the game today, will watch the replay. Sounds like Isaiah Williams continues to outplay Davis, Fountain, & DPJ in the games. None of the other guys battling for the WR4 have stepped up. Another small, fast KR/WR is not what they need (he’s basically another Kalif Raymond), but honestly no one else in the WR room has earned a spot.
Coach with a good breakdown.
Missed the game today, will watch the replay. Sounds like Isaiah Williams continues to outplay Davis, Fountain, & DPJ in the games. None of the other guys battling for the WR4 have stepped up. Another small, fast KR/WR is not what they need (he’s basically another Kalif Raymond), but honestly no one else in the WR room has earned a spot.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
For those who forgot to watch/record the game, replay is at 11:30am EDT on NFLN. 
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Definitely interested in seeing who gets cut around the league at the wideout position, although not sure the answer is out there. Veteran’s Robert Woods, Allen Robinson could be bubble players but do not inspire a lot of confidence. There could be some younger talent, but this team needs someone that can step in and be productive. If ARSB or Laporta go down it could really slow the offense down.
A tall target is nice, but are we really missing a WR? There has only been 5 teams in history who had three players go over 1,000 yards in a season. IMHO, we already have three on our team who should in Saint, LaPorta and Jamo. The biggest diss on Jamo is we already don't have enough balls to go around, but somehow we are desparate at WR now?
As far as height goes, we have:
Brock Wright at 6'-5"
LaPorta at 6'-3"
Jamo at 6'-1"
ARSB at 6'-0" (at least listed that way)
We just need a couple of guys who can give us around 400 yards and we are more than set. Between Isaiah Williams, Kalif and DPJ we already have that. Height is far less important than route running and separation. The smurfs come to mind.
As far as having three 1000 recievers, how possible is that? As I said above there were 5 teams who have did that before: SD in 1980, Wash in 1989, ATL in 1985, Indy in 2004 and Arizona in 2008. But there were also 12 other teams who had three players exceed 900 yards and many of those would have all exceeded 1000 had they had the 17th game.
The QBs who helped produced those seasons were Dan Fauts who threw for 4715 yards, Rypien/Willams who threw for 4353 yards, Jeff George who threw for 4143 yards, Peyton who threw for 4557 yards, and Warner wh0 threw for 4583 yards. Last year Goff threw for 4574 yards which was already better than most of those.
Add Gibbs recieving production of around 600 yards, and I am expecting those 4 players to combine for more than 3800 yards recieving. We only need about 700 yards of recieving production out of Wright, Monty, Kalif, DPJ, and Isaiah. Adding a WR is nothing but a depth piece at this point, and not some dire need.
As far as height goes, we have:
Brock Wright at 6'-5"
LaPorta at 6'-3"
Jamo at 6'-1"
ARSB at 6'-0" (at least listed that way)
We just need a couple of guys who can give us around 400 yards and we are more than set. Between Isaiah Williams, Kalif and DPJ we already have that. Height is far less important than route running and separation. The smurfs come to mind.
As far as having three 1000 recievers, how possible is that? As I said above there were 5 teams who have did that before: SD in 1980, Wash in 1989, ATL in 1985, Indy in 2004 and Arizona in 2008. But there were also 12 other teams who had three players exceed 900 yards and many of those would have all exceeded 1000 had they had the 17th game.
The QBs who helped produced those seasons were Dan Fauts who threw for 4715 yards, Rypien/Willams who threw for 4353 yards, Jeff George who threw for 4143 yards, Peyton who threw for 4557 yards, and Warner wh0 threw for 4583 yards. Last year Goff threw for 4574 yards which was already better than most of those.
Add Gibbs recieving production of around 600 yards, and I am expecting those 4 players to combine for more than 3800 yards recieving. We only need about 700 yards of recieving production out of Wright, Monty, Kalif, DPJ, and Isaiah. Adding a WR is nothing but a depth piece at this point, and not some dire need.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Watching the replay it looks like the Lions have solid depth at RB with Vaki and Reynolds.
nittanylion
Footballguy
You aren't by any chance trying to poke the bear, are you?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Not at all, I have missed some of this thread due to some of the back and forth. Just a concern of mine, although if the oline stays healthy and defense improves it could prove to be fairly mute.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Hooker had a very solid day too. He looked poised in the pocket and was accurate with his throws. He went a long ways in making Nate just an emergency QB. His mobility could be useful in short yardage or goal line situations.
Nate was terrible except when he was dumping the ball to Vaki.
Nate was terrible except when he was dumping the ball to Vaki.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Always better than the tv guys. Too bad it's so hard to sync up the radio feed with the television.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pride of Detroit - Jeremy Reisman & Schlitt
Projected 53-man 2.0 (cutdown day is Tuesday, August 27 4p.m.)
Hendon Hooker
Nate Sudfeld
Jake Fromm
Jeremy: In his first full half of action, Hooker finally looked like he was in full command of the Lions offense in a way we haven’t seen yet. I was particularly impressed with his fourth quarter. He went 5-of-5 for 82 yards and had a 7-yard touchdown run. I don’t want to call the backup QB battle over, but Hooker has certainly taken the lead.
It wasn’t a bad performance from Sudfeld—in fact, it was a step in the right direction. But I think the best route at this point would be to cut him, then bring him back on the practice squad as a valued veteran member in the quarterback meeting room.
David Montgomery
Craig Reynolds
Sione Vaki
Jermar Jefferson
Zonovan Knight
Jake Funk
Erik: This room is pretty straightforward. Gibbs and Montgomery are locked in as the Lions' one-two punch. Reynolds is someone the team trusts in almost any situation and plays important roles on special teams. Vaki is a rookie who they heavily invested in this offseason, and by all early accounts, he is making them look highly intelligent, both on offense and special teams.
The only real question is whether or not they might keep a fifth running back. Jeremy made a strong case for keeping a fifth, based on talent and special teams contributions. But I pushed back, citing how the Lions have historically approached the position: mainly leaning on three backs on game days, with the occasional fourth for specific circumstances. This was probably the only argument I won in this 53-man roster construction.
Jameson Williams
Kalif Raymond
Donovan Peoples-Jones
Daurice Fountain
Maurice Alexander
Kaden Davis
Tom Kennedy
Tre’Quan Smith
Isaiah Williams
Jalon Calhoun
Jeremy: **deep breath**
You’re not happy with this room. Erik’s not happy with this room. I’m not happy with this room.
Personally speaking, I don’t think there’s an X receiver on this team who has earned a roster spot, and there’s not enough talent to justify a fifth spot from this group. Erik thinks the only way Isaiah Williams—who continues to shine in the preseason—makes the team is if he’s WR5.
Our compromise was to make no one happy. We kept four, but not the player I wanted to (Williams). We kept an X receiver, but didn’t make the extra fifth spot that Erik wanted for Williams.
Detroit has an incredibly tough decision with Williams. He’s the only one amongst the group making plays in the preseason. But that hasn’t consistently been the case in practice. More importantly, he comes at a redundant position, with both Amon-Ra St. Brown and Kalif Raymond offering more at both slot receiver and returner than Williams does.
Even Dan Campbell couldn’t help but bring up this conundrum during a softball question about Williams’ strong second preseason game.
“We always put stock in the guys who are making plays, you know? And he does. He is making plays,” Campbell said. “Now, that’s in the slot, which is where he excels. That’s where his game is suited for and he’s making the most of it. That’s what’s hard a little bit is, man, he is a football player, he is making plays, but we’ve got Saint, we’ve got Leaf, and so where does that fit?”
It sounds like they may try Williams on the outside to see what he can do there. But until he proves that, he’s in a tough spot.
Oh, right. Peoples-Jones. He repped ahead of the other X receivers. That’s our entire and only justification for him making the roster right now.
BobbyLayne - RB, with the guys all the way,
WR - strongly disagree here. DPJ has done nothing since he arrived to warrant keeping him. Didn't integrate last year, did not impress in OTAs or TC. Should not be on the team.
He fits a type., Rookie UDFA Isaiah Williams has earned the spot IMO.
We don't have a big body X. Deal with it. If it was a priority they would have addressed it before now. I don't see any issue with the offense functioning without one. DPJ adds literally no value to the roster.
Will be interesting to see if Brad Holmes falls into the same kind of sunk cost fallacy with DPJ that he did with Trinity Benson. Just let it go, dude. Nobody bats 1.000.
Davis had one big play Saturday but overall played poorly. Feel bad for Daurice Fountain, prior to the joint practices he was right there in the mix for the WR3 position, but then he fell off once the hitting got real and the games started, That happens sometimes.
Kennedy is on the practice in perpetuity, they say he is great for the scout team.
Brock Wright
Parker Hesse
Shane Zylstra
James Mitchelld
Sean McKeon
Erik: LaPorta and Wright are locked in as the main contributors, and while the room is deep in talent, there’s not a lot separating the next three tight ends on the list. Hesse gets the nod because of his ability to play fullback, his blocking prowess, and special teams contributions—leaving Zylstra and Mitchell battling it out for a spot.
Unfortunately, it’s almost too close to call. Both Zylstra and Mitchell are repping roughly the same amount and in similar roles with similar results. Zylstra gets the nod because he’s been finding the field slightly earlier for the last few weeks, but by no means does he have a firm grip on the job. This battle could come down to how they perform in upcoming practices and preseason Game 3.
This isn't controversial, at all, IMO. Hesse has had a great camp and can do more than Mitchell. Time to hit the road, Jack. Zylstra is pretty good TE4 and the way they utilize them, don't be surprised if they're all active.
Penei Sewell
Dan Skipper
Colby Sorsdal
Giovanni Manu
Jamarco Jones
Jeremy: This seems relatively straightforward. Skipper is OT3 (Campbell said his injury Saturday was not long-term), Sorsdal is the versatile piece that can fit in any offensive line role, and Manu is the long-term developmental piece. It’s slight overkill at one position, but Sorsdal’s versatility makes it fine.
Kevin Zeitler
Graham Glasgow
Kayode Awosika
Christian Mahogany
Michael Niese
Kingsley Eguakun
Bryan Hudson
Duke Clemons
Jake Burton
Erik: The Lions’ three starters are locked in, but the reserve battles remain wide open. Niese and Awosika have a pretty fierce battle going on for OG3 duties, and while Niese has been getting starter reps in camp, Awosika has a longer track record of success with the team. Neither has separated themselves, so we’re leaning on experience as the decider.
Mahogany is still technically on the NFI list and if he stays there entering the season, he would be unable to practice until removed. The Lions won’t want him to sit on his hands any longer than he needs to, so we are projecting him to be activated soon and make the roster in a developmental role to start the season with hopes that he can contribute later. If Mahogany is not ready and stays on the NFI, Niese could take this spot or the team could also choose to use this roster spot on another position.
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Projected 53-man 2.0 (cutdown day is Tuesday, August 27 4p.m.)
Quarterbacks (2)
Jared GoffHendon Hooker
Jake Fromm
Jeremy: In his first full half of action, Hooker finally looked like he was in full command of the Lions offense in a way we haven’t seen yet. I was particularly impressed with his fourth quarter. He went 5-of-5 for 82 yards and had a 7-yard touchdown run. I don’t want to call the backup QB battle over, but Hooker has certainly taken the lead.
It wasn’t a bad performance from Sudfeld—in fact, it was a step in the right direction. But I think the best route at this point would be to cut him, then bring him back on the practice squad as a valued veteran member in the quarterback meeting room.
Running back (4)
Jahmyr GibbsDavid Montgomery
Craig Reynolds
Sione Vaki
Zonovan Knight
Jake Funk
Erik: This room is pretty straightforward. Gibbs and Montgomery are locked in as the Lions' one-two punch. Reynolds is someone the team trusts in almost any situation and plays important roles on special teams. Vaki is a rookie who they heavily invested in this offseason, and by all early accounts, he is making them look highly intelligent, both on offense and special teams.
The only real question is whether or not they might keep a fifth running back. Jeremy made a strong case for keeping a fifth, based on talent and special teams contributions. But I pushed back, citing how the Lions have historically approached the position: mainly leaning on three backs on game days, with the occasional fourth for specific circumstances. This was probably the only argument I won in this 53-man roster construction.
Wide receiver (4)
Amon-Ra St. BrownJameson Williams
Kalif Raymond
Donovan Peoples-Jones
Maurice Alexander
Kaden Davis
Tom Kennedy
Tre’Quan Smith
Isaiah Williams
Jalon Calhoun
Jeremy: **deep breath**
You’re not happy with this room. Erik’s not happy with this room. I’m not happy with this room.
Personally speaking, I don’t think there’s an X receiver on this team who has earned a roster spot, and there’s not enough talent to justify a fifth spot from this group. Erik thinks the only way Isaiah Williams—who continues to shine in the preseason—makes the team is if he’s WR5.
Our compromise was to make no one happy. We kept four, but not the player I wanted to (Williams). We kept an X receiver, but didn’t make the extra fifth spot that Erik wanted for Williams.
Detroit has an incredibly tough decision with Williams. He’s the only one amongst the group making plays in the preseason. But that hasn’t consistently been the case in practice. More importantly, he comes at a redundant position, with both Amon-Ra St. Brown and Kalif Raymond offering more at both slot receiver and returner than Williams does.
Even Dan Campbell couldn’t help but bring up this conundrum during a softball question about Williams’ strong second preseason game.
“We always put stock in the guys who are making plays, you know? And he does. He is making plays,” Campbell said. “Now, that’s in the slot, which is where he excels. That’s where his game is suited for and he’s making the most of it. That’s what’s hard a little bit is, man, he is a football player, he is making plays, but we’ve got Saint, we’ve got Leaf, and so where does that fit?”
It sounds like they may try Williams on the outside to see what he can do there. But until he proves that, he’s in a tough spot.
Oh, right. Peoples-Jones. He repped ahead of the other X receivers. That’s our entire and only justification for him making the roster right now.
BobbyLayne - RB, with the guys all the way,
WR - strongly disagree here. DPJ has done nothing since he arrived to warrant keeping him. Didn't integrate last year, did not impress in OTAs or TC. Should not be on the team.
He fits a type., Rookie UDFA Isaiah Williams has earned the spot IMO.
We don't have a big body X. Deal with it. If it was a priority they would have addressed it before now. I don't see any issue with the offense functioning without one. DPJ adds literally no value to the roster.
Will be interesting to see if Brad Holmes falls into the same kind of sunk cost fallacy with DPJ that he did with Trinity Benson. Just let it go, dude. Nobody bats 1.000.
Davis had one big play Saturday but overall played poorly. Feel bad for Daurice Fountain, prior to the joint practices he was right there in the mix for the WR3 position, but then he fell off once the hitting got real and the games started, That happens sometimes.
Kennedy is on the practice in perpetuity, they say he is great for the scout team.
Tight end (4)
Tight end (4)
Sam LaPortaBrock Wright
Parker Hesse
Shane Zylstra
Sean McKeon
Erik: LaPorta and Wright are locked in as the main contributors, and while the room is deep in talent, there’s not a lot separating the next three tight ends on the list. Hesse gets the nod because of his ability to play fullback, his blocking prowess, and special teams contributions—leaving Zylstra and Mitchell battling it out for a spot.
Unfortunately, it’s almost too close to call. Both Zylstra and Mitchell are repping roughly the same amount and in similar roles with similar results. Zylstra gets the nod because he’s been finding the field slightly earlier for the last few weeks, but by no means does he have a firm grip on the job. This battle could come down to how they perform in upcoming practices and preseason Game 3.
This isn't controversial, at all, IMO. Hesse has had a great camp and can do more than Mitchell. Time to hit the road, Jack. Zylstra is pretty good TE4 and the way they utilize them, don't be surprised if they're all active.
Offensive tackle (5)
Taylor DeckerPenei Sewell
Dan Skipper
Colby Sorsdal
Giovanni Manu
Jeremy: This seems relatively straightforward. Skipper is OT3 (Campbell said his injury Saturday was not long-term), Sorsdal is the versatile piece that can fit in any offensive line role, and Manu is the long-term developmental piece. It’s slight overkill at one position, but Sorsdal’s versatility makes it fine.
Interior offensive line (5)
Frank RagnowKevin Zeitler
Graham Glasgow
Kayode Awosika
Christian Mahogany
Kingsley Eguakun
Bryan Hudson
Duke Clemons
Jake Burton
Erik: The Lions’ three starters are locked in, but the reserve battles remain wide open. Niese and Awosika have a pretty fierce battle going on for OG3 duties, and while Niese has been getting starter reps in camp, Awosika has a longer track record of success with the team. Neither has separated themselves, so we’re leaning on experience as the decider.
Mahogany is still technically on the NFI list and if he stays there entering the season, he would be unable to practice until removed. The Lions won’t want him to sit on his hands any longer than he needs to, so we are projecting him to be activated soon and make the roster in a developmental role to start the season with hopes that he can contribute later. If Mahogany is not ready and stays on the NFI, Niese could take this spot or the team could also choose to use this roster spot on another position.
CONTINUED IN THE NEXT POST
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Defensive end (4)
Aidan HutchinsonJosh Paschal
Marcus Davenport
James Houston
Mitchell Agude
Isaac Ukwu
Jeremy: Agude and Ukwu both have made strong cases for the roster, and both were one of our last players out. But Detroit should have enough firepower with this group, assuming that James Houston is healthy enough to be ready by Week 1. Don’t forget that Levi Onwuzurike is going to play plenty on the edge this year.
Pretty sure Betts sticks around but I could be wrong.
Defensive tackle (6)
Alim McNeillDJ Reader
Levi Onwuzurike
Kyle Peko
Brodric Martin
Mekhi Wingo
Pat O’Connor
Erik: Keeping six interior players may seem like a lot but the Lions have expanded their base formation to include three starting defensive linemen, and they may want some insurance as Reader re-acclimates to football. We are currently projecting that Reader is removed from the PUP to avoid a four-week absence to start the season, but won’t be full-go right from the jump. That opens the door for the veteran Peko to fill in at nose tackle.
I don't think Peko makes it but he has had a good camp.
Linebacker (5)
Alex AnzaloneJack Campbell
Derrick Barnes
Malcolm Rodriguez
Jalen Reeves-Maybin
Malik Jefferson
Abraham Beauplan
Ty Summers
Jeremy: Personally, I think Ben Niemann is starting to work his way into the conversation of being on the 53-man roster. But Detroit is so deep at the position and should get strong special teams contributions from both Rodriguez and Reeves-Maybin that it’s hard to justify an LB6. That said, if Rodriguez’s injury threatens his ability to be ready in Week 1, Niemann could slip in.
Ben Niemann is out if Malcolm can go v the Rams, but he was making plays in practice last fall when he was on the practice squad. Wouldn't mind seeing him get a callup.
Cornerback (6)
Carlton Davis IIITerrion Arnold
Amik Robertson
Ennis Rakestraw Jr.
Khalil Dorsey
Kindle Vildor
Essang Bassey
Javelin Guidry
Erik: A week ago, I was only projecting five corners on the roster, then last Monday, Davis missed practice with an injury and both Arnold and Rakestraw left with injuries. While all three are expected to be ready for the regular season, it was a harsh reminder of how vulnerable the defensive back position can be. Fortunately, Robertson, Dorsey, and Vildor have all looked very solid in their opportunities this week—and also all contribute on special teams—making it easy to justify keeping six corners.
Safety (5)
Brian BranchKerby Joseph
Ifeatu Melifonwu
Brandon Joseph
C.J. Moore
Chelen Garnes
Jeremy: Brandon Joseph continues to make play after play. On Saturday, he forced a fumble and had five tackles. At this point, he may be the best reserve safety Detroit has, and he can ball on special teams, too. C.J. Moore doesn’t feel as safe as he has before, but when you’re talking about keeping five safeties, special teams is key—and Moore can still play there.
Agree with the boys here, have always thought they would carry 11 DBs and they have the same groupings.
Specialists (3)
Jack Fox (P)Jake Bates (K)
Scott Daly (LS)
Erik: Bates has looked improved in practices and games over the past 10 days, but he may have won the job by nailing a 43-yard field to win the game against the Chiefs. Yes, it’s just the preseason, but Bates walked up to that kick knowing his job was likely on the line and that’s pressure, any way you slice it.
“I needed to see that,” coach Dan Campbell said of Bates’ clutch field goal. “Quite frankly, I felt like he would drill that. [...] you see what he’s done over the last couple of weeks, it’s encouraging. Believe me, (special teams coordinator Dave) Fipp and I both know, look, he hasn’t arrived and there’s still going to be more growing pains that come with this. We’ve just got to be patient, and just let him continue to grow. That’s what’s most important, as long as he doesn’t ever go in the tank or lose confidence. Just keep doing what you do. You’re not going to make them all, but you keep getting better. This kid, he’s got something.”
The long snapper competition continues to get tighter. For now, we’re sticking with Daly—again, a decision based on experience—but Hatten’s ability to get downfield and cover punts is noticeable and important. Don’t be surprised if we flip our decision before cutdowns.
Bates is, for better or worse, our kicker. He will miss kicks, sometimes ones that should be easy. But WOW is he a weapon as soon as we reach midfield. LFG
Daly has been a good LS, but Hogan Hatten brings a level of athleticism rarely seen at the position. I would absolutely go with the UDFA here. Love this kid.
I agree with your take that Betts makes it and Peko does not. Who we keep on the defensive line will be the toughest calls on defense. We could have some very good talent on our practice squad if they don't get sniped. If Houston would get cut like several YouTubers seem to think, he would get sniped immediately.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
When I heard DC on the radio last week talking about the WRs. Saying "We need a Josh Reynolds type to step up and be a dependable option like Josh was" He mentioned Reynolds name 2-3 times.
Reynolds signed with Denver for 2 years, 9 million with only around 2 million guaranteed. Pretty sure he would have stayed in Detroit for the same or a little more or less. Why not just keep him as a known commodity?
Reynolds signed with Denver for 2 years, 9 million with only around 2 million guaranteed. Pretty sure he would have stayed in Detroit for the same or a little more or less. Why not just keep him as a known commodity?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Takes two. They wanted to resign him.
Maybe after those devastating drops in the NFCCG he wanted some fresh scenery.
Reynolds played every one of his seasons with Goff. 2021 he started off with the Titans but was let go & came over to Detroit mid-year. Maybe it’s like that old misogynist idiom “I don’t care how smokin’ hot she is, someone somewhere is tired of her s¥*+.”
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Takes two. They wanted to resign him.
Maybe after those devastating drops in the NFCCG he wanted some fresh scenery.
Reynolds played every one of his seasons with Goff. 2021 he started off with the Titans but was let go & came over to Detroit mid-year. Maybe it’s like that old misogynist idiom “I don’t care how smokin’ hot she is, someone somewhere is tired of her s¥*+.”
Was thinking the same thing about the drops. Make those 2 catch's there is a good chance Lions are in the Superbowl.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, Josh needed to move on. Somewhere somehow they will find another #5 option in the passing game. And that's not even counting Gibbs.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Takes two. They wanted to resign him.
Maybe after those devastating drops in the NFCCG he wanted some fresh scenery.
Reynolds played every one of his seasons with Goff. 2021 he started off with the Titans but was let go & came over to Detroit mid-year. Maybe it’s like that old misogynist idiom “I don’t care how smokin’ hot she is, someone somewhere is tired of her s¥*+.”
Was thinking the same thing about the drops. Make those 2 catch's there is a good chance Lions are in the Superbowl.
Non-PI call face mask catch
Jah fumble
16 (sixteen!!) missed tackles
slot CB good coverage but every other CB was dog poo
Reynold drops
take your pick
somewhat questionable coaching decisions? I’ll defer to the players; they love that style and never deviated from it
Personally, I think they are going to miss him quite a bit.
Chaos34
Footballguy
I don't. I think this offense is gonna cook. Jameson seems ready to show finally. And while Campbell's praise for his development is posted everywhere, he's gushed at what a solid offseason Raymond has had too.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Takes two. They wanted to resign him.
Maybe after those devastating drops in the NFCCG he wanted some fresh scenery.
Reynolds played every one of his seasons with Goff. 2021 he started off with the Titans but was let go & came over to Detroit mid-year. Maybe it’s like that old misogynist idiom “I don’t care how smokin’ hot she is, someone somewhere is tired of her s¥*+.”
Agree, reliable veteran target who obviously had chemistry with Goff. Until the drops against SF, he had been pretty much perfect all season.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Meh, everyone was lamenting last summer we should have kept Chark. Same deal, it takes both sides agreeing. He did next to nothing in Carolina & now he’s in a camp battle to be relevant in a run heavy offense (LAC.)
More worried about depth along both lines than identifying the WR4/5. In Brad We Trust. He’ll find someone who fits.
More worried about depth along both lines than identifying the WR4/5. In Brad We Trust. He’ll find someone who fits.
Most people have written off DPJ, but he had a couple decent seasons in Cleveland. DPJ was not productive in the Chiefs game, but most his snaps were with Nate behind center who was terrible at getting the ball to recievers. I think DPJ will put up decent WR4 numbers. Only looking for something like 24-350-3 from him.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Big hype coming out of Cass Tech. 5-star recruit and rated as the best wide receiver recruit from the state of Michigan since Charles Rogers in 2000; ESPN carried his college choice press conference live.
3x All-Big Third Team. Never got better.
I did appreciate the effort he put in 2001-02: glowing OTA/mc reports, outstanding TC/PS two years running. Averaged 42.6 & 49.4 Yds/g, his best years. Dig deeper and you realize his Y/Rec, YPRR and Y/Tgt have declined every year he’s been in the league.
Not even sure he’ll make the team. If he does, he hasn’t earned it, but Holmes is susceptible to sunk cost fallacy. To me it’s Trinity Benson all over again, or Tyrell Williams in 2021 or MJJ last year.
Woefully unproductive last year; 8 catches in 7 g for CLE, and 5 in 8 g for DET. He’s been lagging behind a handful of UDFA and practice squad players in OTAs, minicamp and Training. Literally at no time since he came to Detroit has he looked capable.
Congrats on completing Y4, you’re fully vested in the NFLPA pension, DPJ. You’ll probably get 1-2 more vet minimum deals, invest your money wisely.
I don’t want them to keep him but by default he might get the WR4 bc experience. But maybe Holmes finds someone else off the scrap heap.
In fairness, he actually exceeded the Charles Rogers hype.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
- Rogers CFB stats (2 yrs) 23 g
- DPJ CFB stats 3 yrs) 38 g
125 2551 20.4 25
103 1327 12.9 14
Now do the same with their pro stats.
I thought he got $14 million.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Are the expectations for the 2nd overall pick equivalent to a 6th round pick?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
This outdated TC report by the FBG staff is not exactly on point as to where we are at, but it certainly reflects the state of the WR room just 10 days ago (post joint practices & PS game 1.)
DPJ is so far behind he thinks he’s leading.
DPJ is so far behind he thinks he’s leading.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
DJ Reader
Detroit Football Network (Justin Rogers) spent time today with the Lions new DT at a back-to-school event his foundation helped host at Detroit’s Paul Robeson Malcolm X Academy on Monday.
Detroit – Before fully committing to football, Detroit Lions defensive tackle DJ Reader was a pretty good baseball player.
As a pitcher, his fastball touched the low 90's, and to the surprise of no one who has seen the athletic, 335-pounder operate in his current profession, his right-handed swing packed massive power. He batted better than .500 his junior and senior years and was one of the top high school recruits out of the state of North Carolina.
In Reader's equipment bag, he carried an old bat. Really old. He would take cuts with it, but he never used it to hit. It was too valuable, sentimentally more than anything. The bat belonged to his grandfather, Ervin Lee Ford.
Ford, nicknamed Thunderbird for his speed on the basepaths, is a member of North Carolina A&T's Hall of Fame. He played for the Indianapolis Clowns of the Negro Leagues, and later broke the color barrier for the Appleton Papermakers, a farm team for the Boston Braves.
Ford is the root of Reader's athleticism, the nature of his story. Those gifts didn't even bother to skip a generation. Reader's mother, Felicia, was a talented softball player, earning a scholarship to follow in Ford's footsteps at A&T, where she hit third in the Aggies' lineup. She too had a sweet power stroke, and just like her son, claims to have had deceptive speed for her size.
Felicia, who still lives in North Carolina, traveled to Detroit this week to support her son's first community event since he signed with the Lions this offseason. You see, everywhere Reader goes, the Lions defensive lineman tries to leave an imprint, not just on the football field, but in the cities where he plays.
At home, in North Carolina, Reader has partnered with the United Way and runs a free youth football camp annually. In Houston, where was drafted and spent the first four years of his pro career, he received the prestigious honor of being the Texans' Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee for his contributions on and off the field. And in Cincinnati, where he spent the past four seasons, Reader has opened two resource rooms, with a third on the way, to support local students in the community.
Reader signed with the Lions as a free agent this offseason. His ability to have an impact on the field is in a holding pattern while he rehabs from a torn quadricep suffered near the end of last season. While that waits, his ability to make his mark on the city's youth has no such restrictions.
On Monday, representing his foundation "A Son Never Forgets," Reader appeared at a back-to-school event at Paul Robeson Malcolm X Academy on the city's west side, meeting with students and parents, supporting a dental screening initiative, while handing out backpacks, school supplies and food provided by his foundation.
His foundation's name is in honor of his father, David, who died of kidney failure a decade ago when Reader was only 19 years old. Where Reader's athleticism is in his nature, a genetic gift, his giving spirit is firmly rooted in his nurture.
David was a teacher. So is Reader's brother. The Lions lineman has always had a great respect for educators, who he believes have the ability to influence youth more than anyone outside parents. And both David and Felicia always emphasized giving back. As a family, they volunteered at soup kitchens and the Salvation Army, and helped install rain barrels in flooded areas of North Carolina that were ravaged by a hurricane.
Reader's parents are joyful. He points to his mother across the gym at Monday's event, highlighting her laughing.
"She's always smiling, always like that," Reader said.
And before David's kidneys gave out, he suffered from rheumatoid arthritis. Yet despite the challenging physical ailments, Reader doesn't recall his father ever having a bad day.
"One thing he always did a great job with was controlling his attitude," Reader said. "I think that's kind of paved the man I am. I tell people all the time, 'If you don't see life as glass half full, me and you probably don't see life the same.' That's kind of how I go about it. I've been immensely blessed because of it."
The joy Reader's parents experienced helping others rubbed off. He knew, from an early age, he wanted to help. The fact that he sees the same attitude in his young son and he gets to honor his parents, while extending the legacy of his father after his life was cut short, only makes it all the better.
"It's just important that it's happening, that somebody is turning the wheel," Reader said. "If I wasn't doing it, it wouldn't be happening. That's the biggest thing. The satisfaction I get out of it is seeing people getting the help that they need, and things getting done are helping the community. That's all you can really do. I think when you give back, that's all you can really do is try to put your imprint out there and hope those things impact in a positive way."
Nature and nurture: Lions' Reader influenced by grandpa who played in Negro Leagues, parents who instilled spirit of giving back
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Detroit Football Network (Justin Rogers) spent time today with the Lions new DT at a back-to-school event his foundation helped host at Detroit’s Paul Robeson Malcolm X Academy on Monday.
Detroit – Before fully committing to football, Detroit Lions defensive tackle DJ Reader was a pretty good baseball player.
As a pitcher, his fastball touched the low 90's, and to the surprise of no one who has seen the athletic, 335-pounder operate in his current profession, his right-handed swing packed massive power. He batted better than .500 his junior and senior years and was one of the top high school recruits out of the state of North Carolina.
In Reader's equipment bag, he carried an old bat. Really old. He would take cuts with it, but he never used it to hit. It was too valuable, sentimentally more than anything. The bat belonged to his grandfather, Ervin Lee Ford.
Ford, nicknamed Thunderbird for his speed on the basepaths, is a member of North Carolina A&T's Hall of Fame. He played for the Indianapolis Clowns of the Negro Leagues, and later broke the color barrier for the Appleton Papermakers, a farm team for the Boston Braves.
Ford is the root of Reader's athleticism, the nature of his story. Those gifts didn't even bother to skip a generation. Reader's mother, Felicia, was a talented softball player, earning a scholarship to follow in Ford's footsteps at A&T, where she hit third in the Aggies' lineup. She too had a sweet power stroke, and just like her son, claims to have had deceptive speed for her size.
Felicia, who still lives in North Carolina, traveled to Detroit this week to support her son's first community event since he signed with the Lions this offseason. You see, everywhere Reader goes, the Lions defensive lineman tries to leave an imprint, not just on the football field, but in the cities where he plays.
At home, in North Carolina, Reader has partnered with the United Way and runs a free youth football camp annually. In Houston, where was drafted and spent the first four years of his pro career, he received the prestigious honor of being the Texans' Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee for his contributions on and off the field. And in Cincinnati, where he spent the past four seasons, Reader has opened two resource rooms, with a third on the way, to support local students in the community.
Reader signed with the Lions as a free agent this offseason. His ability to have an impact on the field is in a holding pattern while he rehabs from a torn quadricep suffered near the end of last season. While that waits, his ability to make his mark on the city's youth has no such restrictions.
On Monday, representing his foundation "A Son Never Forgets," Reader appeared at a back-to-school event at Paul Robeson Malcolm X Academy on the city's west side, meeting with students and parents, supporting a dental screening initiative, while handing out backpacks, school supplies and food provided by his foundation.
His foundation's name is in honor of his father, David, who died of kidney failure a decade ago when Reader was only 19 years old. Where Reader's athleticism is in his nature, a genetic gift, his giving spirit is firmly rooted in his nurture.
David was a teacher. So is Reader's brother. The Lions lineman has always had a great respect for educators, who he believes have the ability to influence youth more than anyone outside parents. And both David and Felicia always emphasized giving back. As a family, they volunteered at soup kitchens and the Salvation Army, and helped install rain barrels in flooded areas of North Carolina that were ravaged by a hurricane.
Reader's parents are joyful. He points to his mother across the gym at Monday's event, highlighting her laughing.
"She's always smiling, always like that," Reader said.
And before David's kidneys gave out, he suffered from rheumatoid arthritis. Yet despite the challenging physical ailments, Reader doesn't recall his father ever having a bad day.
"One thing he always did a great job with was controlling his attitude," Reader said. "I think that's kind of paved the man I am. I tell people all the time, 'If you don't see life as glass half full, me and you probably don't see life the same.' That's kind of how I go about it. I've been immensely blessed because of it."
The joy Reader's parents experienced helping others rubbed off. He knew, from an early age, he wanted to help. The fact that he sees the same attitude in his young son and he gets to honor his parents, while extending the legacy of his father after his life was cut short, only makes it all the better.
"It's just important that it's happening, that somebody is turning the wheel," Reader said. "If I wasn't doing it, it wouldn't be happening. That's the biggest thing. The satisfaction I get out of it is seeing people getting the help that they need, and things getting done are helping the community. That's all you can really do. I think when you give back, that's all you can really do is try to put your imprint out there and hope those things impact in a positive way."
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pride of Detroit poll from 11 staff writers wrt bubble players - Offense
(personally I'm more interested in their opinions on bubble players on defense, but maybe that's coming later this week.)
(personally I'm more interested in their opinions on bubble players on defense, but maybe that's coming later this week.)
2024 Detroit Lions Bubble Watch, Week 5: Offense
| Player | Jeremy | Erik | Ryan | Alex | Morgan | John | Max | Brandon | Hamza | Zac | Al | TOTAL | Change from last week |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| QB Nate Sudfeld | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | 0 | -1 |
| RB Craig Reynolds | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | 11 | 0 |
| RB Zonovan Knight | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | IN | OUT | OUT | 1 | +1 |
| RB Jermar Jefferson | IN | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | 1 | -2 |
| WR Antoine Green | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0 | -10 |
| WR Donovan Peoples-Jones | OUT | IN | OUT | OUT | IN | OUT | IN | OUT | IN | IN | OUT | 5 | +5 |
| WR Maurice Alexander | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | 0 | 0 |
| WR Daurice Fountain | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | 0 | -10 |
| WR Tom Kennedy | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | 0 | 0 |
| WR Kaden Davis | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | IN | OUT | OUT | OUT | IN | 2 | +1 |
| WR Isaiah Williams | IN | OUT | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | 10 | +9 |
| TE James Mitchell | OUT | OUT | IN | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | 1 | 0 |
| TE Shane Zylstra | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | OUT | IN | IN | OUT | IN | 9 | -1 |
| TE Parker Hesse | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | OUT | IN | IN | 10 | +1 |
| TE Sean McKeon | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | 0 | 0 |
| OT Dan Skipper | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | 11 | 0 |
| OL Colby Sorsdal | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | 11 | 0 |
| iOL Kayode Awosika | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | OUT | IN | IN | IN | IN | OUT | 9 | -2 |
| iOL Michael Niese | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | IN | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | IN | 2 | +2 |
| iOL Christian Mahogany | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | IN | 11 | +4 |
| iOL Kingsley Eguakun | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | OUT | 0 | 0 |
- Sudfeld out, need that spot for depth elsewhere
- Sione Vaki is not a bubble guy, even though he's 4th string behind Reynolds ATM
- 50/50 on DPJ
[*]I am not feeling confident, on the other hand, in Donovan Peoples-Jones. I will try not to beat a dead horse by discussing the failures for an outside receiver to emerge as a WR3 or WR4 candidate, but of all the candidates, the inability of Peoples-Jones to secure an easy roster spot is most disappointing. Unlike Daurice Fountain or Kaden Davis, he has a respectable track record in the NFL (1,895 career receiving yards). Unlike Isaiah Williams, he has the size that the Lions are looking for to replace Josh Reynolds.
When the Lions failed to sign a capable receiver in free agency or select one in the 2024 NFL Draft, it seemed like Peoples-Jones was guaranteed a roster spot. Sure, he totaled just 58 receiving yards with the Lions last season, but it was likely a trial period—they clearly liked him enough to re-sign to a deal worth upwards of $2 million.
Yet through two preseason games and multiple practices, the only consensus surrounding Peoples-Jones is that he has not done enough. He is struggling to separate, both against his opponents and against his fellow receiver competition. Peoples-Jones was on Jeremy and Erik’s recent 53-man roster prediction solely because nobody else has stood out at outside receiver with the tie going to the veteran.
Which Lions players have caught your eye so far in preseason, for better or for worst? Let us know in the comments below.
[*] - Fountain out, I Williams in
- LaPorta/Wright are locks, looks like on merit it will be Zylstra + Hesse for TE3 & TE4, Mitchell is out
- Skipper in would be his first time ever making a 53-man out of TC, hell yes man
- Sorsdal regressed once the pads went on but obviously they still want to develop him
- Kayode is probably first man up on the interior, but eventually they'll have to make a choice when Mahogany comes off NFI
- Giovanni Manu is a lock even though he is very raw rn, will likely never be active
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jeff Risdon speculating the Texans log jam at WR might be worth mining...
Obviously their starters are off the table, they're trying to repeat as AFC South champs.
| Starter | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| WR | Robert Woods | Xavier Hutchinson | Johnny Johnson III | |
| WR | Noah Brown | Ben Skowronek | Quintez Cephus | |
| WR | John Metchie III | Steven Sims |
Obviously their starters are off the table, they're trying to repeat as AFC South champs.
- Woods - 12th year, age 32 season, he is washed, right?
- Brown - 6'2" 215 8th year (has played 6 + missed entire year), age 28 season. Last 2 seasons: 74 targets, 43-555-3 in last year with DAL, 55 targets 33-567-2 in first year with HOU. Good blocker. When injuries piled up he went 6/6 153-1 v TB and 7/8 172-0 @ CIN Weeks 9 & 10. Good blocker. 1 year contract the last 2 years, $2.6M last year and $3.0M | $2.0M GTD this year (already received $1.0 signing bonus, has $1M per game bonus pending, $1M salary)
- Metchie III - great story, 2nd rounder who sat out 2022 with acute promyelocytic leukemia,16-158 in 2023, smallish speedster - not a great fit and I think they like him.
- Hutchinson - second year, as a 6th rounder the Iowa State product put up 8-90-0 & 5-49 rushing. 6'2" 203 7.23 RAS 4.53 40, having a good TC and productive PS (speculation has been they are showcasing him.) Age 24 season, solid 3 year starter in college 35 34 254 2,929 11.5 15 Not sure what they want but this would be interesting.
- Skowronek - acquired from the Rams, think they view him more as a TE / H-back, 6'3" 224 entering 4th season, slow af but didn't test (injured.)
- Sims - nope, wrong size wrong flavor.
- Johnson - UDFA/practice squad type with no catches his first 2 years.
- Cephus - anyone down for a redemption tour?
I don't know but there hasn't been anything said by the locals so it's probably minor.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
That’s my take.
Holmes and Campbell have cultivated a transparent environment. If they want to resign a guy you know. If they’re looking to make a trade they’ll mention they are in the market. When a player is not meeting the standard that comes out (in a respectful manner….what he needs to work or focus on improving is ________.)
What you see is what you get.
WRT injuries, they don’t get specific or technical. Timeframes usually don’t get stated because they want to manage expectations. But if it’s serious or long term, they’ll say “we’re gonna be without him for awhile.” If it’s minor or short term, “We’re just trying to be smart with him. If we need to protect the player we’ll hold him out a little longer. But he should be OK just needs to rest it right now.”
NOTE - those were general examples of their communication style, none of those are germane here. But when he asked MCDC has said “he should be fine, we’re not worried about him missing any time.”
They go hard in practice and TC. But when it comes to injuries, they don’t rush anything. They also never play starters in preseason, TC is essentially over, and there are no more open practices - don’t expect any more updates.
There is no indication he’ll be on the Week 1 injury report.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Campbell’s Tuesday presser
- Will go hard the next two days, working Detroit on Detroit things, cleaning up the tape from Arrowhead. Rest of the week they’ll pull back as they install the game plan & prepare for the Steelers.
- How many roster spots are still up for grab? Holmes & MCDC just concluded a round of evaluations with all the assistant coaches. Realistically, there are 5-6 spots open. Specifically brought up Isaac Ukwu, 25 year old UDFA from Ole Miss. He came in last on the depth chart, not really a Sam, suboptimal size for DE, where can we play him? He’s fought his way into consideration. He plays much bigger, much longer than you think he will,
- They are performance based, and when it translates from practice to game time, they take notice. Everyone deserves the opportunity they’ve earned, they’re not going to ignore that just because a guy started out at the bottom. If you want it, go get it.
- It’s a body of work evaluation. We need to see consistent, slow & steady improvement. It’s gotta be there this week, too.
- We also want to get these guys exposure. If they can’t get on this roster, let’s get what they can do on tape & maybe one of these 31 other teams will want a look.
- Gibbs, LaPorta, Rodrigo, Skipper, Zeitler will all be back next week, D.J. Reader will get started - starting on Sunday practice for all of them. No mention of the CBs who are hurt.
- WR3 - we’d rather keep Kalif Raymond fresh and play 20-25 offensive snaps, we’d prefer not to have him out there 65 plays. But if no one steps up he is our WR3. Don’t want to overload him, but if that’s what it is, that’s what it is & we’ll deal with.
- “Look, the other 7 WRs are still competing, there’s an opportunity for them, let ‘em duke it out and see who’s left standing. Brad & his department are scouring the WW, we’re exploring options. It’s gotta be the right fit for what we need and who we are - we’ll find the best guy for it.
- Wanted to start Hooker v KC but he just didn’t get enough reps due to the concussion. He did a lot of good things, he has stuff to clean up, but he’ll get a lot of reps this week.
- Cornerbacks update: Rakestraw will be a full patriots today, CD3 will be limited, Amik will also be LP, Arnold will not practice today (likely middle of next week - not concerned, he’s going the right way)
- “Most of our guys will be ready week 1”
- Mahogany still focusing on strength & conditioning but they’re pleased with where he is at
I have no idea who the 5th WR the Lions are going to keep is. Everyone is convinced DPJ is gone. He is just not making the progress he needs to stick with the team. Dan seems to make it clear they are turning over every rock looking for another option at WR. We are good with the top 4, but we need to find one somewhere else. Would not shock me if the kept DPJ but dropped him to make room for someone else. WR seems to be the one position Brad has had the most failures with in the FA market.
A clip of some one on one drills at camp today.
The first is a double-move by Jamo which is just sick.
DPJ also with a couple of slick catches.
The first is a double-move by Jamo which is just sick.
DPJ also with a couple of slick catches.
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HAS ISAIAH WILLIAMS "STEPPED UP" ENOUGH TO WIN DETROIT'S WR COMPETITION? LIONS OFFENSE FILM STUDY
All_22_Films
ETA
Coach breaks down Williams along with the other candidates (Maurice Alexander, Kaden Davis, Daurice Fountain, DPJ....didn't see any plays for Jason Calhoun, Tom Kennedy, or Tre'Quan Smith but they have no shot.)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Saw those, good to see DPJ having a good day
Fountain (#12) had a nice route as well - historically speaking, they'll go with the guy they traded for *(even though it was a low cost deal) over a former UDFA who has never made a 53-man from 4 different teams. DPJ has a body of work, almost 1900 yards, I get that they would be more comfortable given him one last chance. Plus Fountain has been up and down the last two weeks after playing his way into the lead.
This week and game 3 are important for the 7 guys fighting for those last 2 WR spots.
Nate Sudfled has 'upper hand' with Hendon Hooker in battle for backup Detroit Lions QB job
"You have to have conviction that whoever that (No. 2) guy is, is going to be able to keep this ship afloat and what we know about Hooker is, Hooker is a young, developing quarterback and he needs reps and he needs time," Campbell said. "I do know that. And Nate right now has the upper hand because he’s played more. He’s been in it more, he’s seen it more, he just – and so with that, that would tell you there’s a good chance you could keep three. Am I going to say that 100 percent certain right now? No. But that’s kind of what you look at."
"You have to have conviction that whoever that (No. 2) guy is, is going to be able to keep this ship afloat and what we know about Hooker is, Hooker is a young, developing quarterback and he needs reps and he needs time," Campbell said. "I do know that. And Nate right now has the upper hand because he’s played more. He’s been in it more, he’s seen it more, he just – and so with that, that would tell you there’s a good chance you could keep three. Am I going to say that 100 percent certain right now? No. But that’s kind of what you look at."
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@Da Guru are we ready for camp?
MCDC Presser
MCDC Presser
- Today is essentially the last practice of preseason. They’re running 11 on 11, offense vs defense, mixing up fronts & formations, trying to exploit weaknesses. None of the 1s will play Saturday so this is their game simulation; 2s will come in for a breather as needed but it’s good on good, Ben vs Aaron.
- Rest of the week will be game plan installs, walk throughs,
travel,game day. - Brodric Martin is improving, starting to look like he belongs. Didn’t look good vs the Giants, improved vs KC. Manu is a project & we don’t know the timeline but he’s made progress over summer, but still needs a lot of reps.
- Fromm unlikely to play vs Steelers as they want to get Hendon reps & still need to see more from Nate
- Still mulling over the numbers game wrt the last 5-6 spots. Do they keep an extra OL or another S? How many DT, how many Edge, how many LBs. Has someone emerged to earn a spot in the WR room? Still up in the air & evaluating.
- The process is so much different than from 2021. The decisions are much harder bc you’re cutting guys who are good enough to go play somewhere else, but that’s a testament to how deep of a roster Brad has built.
- A lot of what they have been working with Hooker is game decisions. They analyze & review every play with him, coach him up on other ways to do it, etc. He’s showing progress, getting more comfortable and starting to show what he can do.
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With the depth of talent on the team at the other positions, I don't see any way that Nate gets a spot on the 53-man roster. Cut him, and bring him back to the practice squad when he goes unclaimed.Nate Sudfled has 'upper hand' with Hendon Hooker in battle for backup Detroit Lions QB job
"You have to have conviction that whoever that (No. 2) guy is, is going to be able to keep this ship afloat and what we know about Hooker is, Hooker is a young, developing quarterback and he needs reps and he needs time," Campbell said. "I do know that. And Nate right now has the upper hand because he’s played more. He’s been in it more, he’s seen it more, he just – and so with that, that would tell you there’s a good chance you could keep three. Am I going to say that 100 percent certain right now? No. But that’s kind of what you look at."
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
With the depth of talent on the team at the other positions, I don't see any way that Nate gets a spot on the 53-man roster. Cut him, and bring him back to the practice squad when he goes unclaimed.Nate Sudfled has 'upper hand' with Hendon Hooker in battle for backup Detroit Lions QB job
"You have to have conviction that whoever that (No. 2) guy is, is going to be able to keep this ship afloat and what we know about Hooker is, Hooker is a young, developing quarterback and he needs reps and he needs time," Campbell said. "I do know that. And Nate right now has the upper hand because he’s played more. He’s been in it more, he’s seen it more, he just – and so with that, that would tell you there’s a good chance you could keep three. Am I going to say that 100 percent certain right now? No. But that’s kind of what you look at."
The only consideration - and I’m with you, it’s unjustifiable - is with 3 QBs on the 53-man you effectively get an extra man to suit up. Emergency QB doesn’t count against the 47 game day actives.
We’d probably be better off going with Jack Fox. He threw for 1866 yards as a h.s. senior. Other options:
- Safety C.J. Moore won a state title in Mississippi playing QB.
- LB Malcolm Rodrigues won 37 straight games as a h.s. quarterback.
- Too bad Emmanuel Moseley got hurt again; he played QB on a North Carolina h.s. championship squad. His backup QB was Hendon Hooker.
- Multiple Lions OL & DL guys started out as a QB, but let’s not go crazy.
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