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**2024 New York Jets official thread** - it's over (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
No harm can come out of this whatsoever. It's a no-brainer move. Either the team continues to spiral (and Salah wasn't stopping it) or this provides a spark where the team gets focused and starts winning games.
joey
Footballguy
Raiders: “Hold both of my beers…”
What's wild is Bills - Jets play this week for the Division Lead.
This season is very salvageable.
This season is very salvageable.
zamboni
Footballguy
Crazy indeed. Have to imagine that was part of the decision making process. Often a new coaching regime provides an immediate spark, and that's probably what Woody is banking on in a pivotal (and nationally televised) game.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I think with this happening and the Derek Carr injury last night Adams probably is focusing in the Jets, TBH. Which, of course, sucks for Garret Wilson.
TLEF316
Footballguy
From a numbers perspective, sure. There are 12 games left and the Jets haven't lost a division game and have only lost 1 conference game.
But when you watch, its pretty clear that the things that needed to break the Jets way aren't breaking.
They knew they weren't getting 30 year old Rodgers, but they needed 37 year old Rodgers. Seems they dont have that. He needed to be good enough to overcome Hackett....he's not.
They needed to get top 10 O-line play anchored by the last drop of pro-bowl caliber football from Tyron Smith. Obviously that isn't happening. They stink as a group and he has stunk as an individual.
The D has been fine outside the SF game, but there are holes that wont be fixed. Getting Mosley and Fotu back will likely help the run defense but I dont think Will McDonald continues on a 1+ sack a game pace (meaning the loss of Johnson and absence of Reddick will be felt more and more as the season goes on)
At the start of September, the optimistic Jets fan was counting on wins against Denver (starting a rookie QB) and Minnesota (possibly starting a rookie QB but now starting Sam). They lost both of them in embarrassing fashion. The math just became so much harder. Squeezing in as a WC team is now the ceiling, and that's not acceptable.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Woody's statement calls Ubrich a "tough coach who has the respect of the coaches and players on the team."
Seems telling.
Seems telling.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
I wasn't lying on Saturday when I told you this would happen
BladeRunner
Footballguy
BladeRunner: "Can we give the beers to someone else other than the Jets?"
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
They couldn't have waited one more week for this?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Maybe they can trade three first round draft picks for Watson and then pay him more than any QB in history fully guaranteed.
No, wait no team would ever be dumb enough to do that.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
No, because what if they won?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
interesting take but may be something to it - seems like Saleh was a players coach to a fault. When you have the HC talking about changing things to make it easier on players and other players complaining there should be accountability instead..thats not a good look
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Currently the 11th highest paid avg/year and 10th largest contract.
Why you bringing up 3yrs ago?
I’d say the only caveat is their remaining schedule isn’t particularly tough. AFC South is a mess and even Houston isn’t unbeatable given the Jets defense (and they spanked Houston last year.) NFC West, Jets may come away with a couple of wins.
Will probably come down to how they do in the rest of their divisional games. If the Bills right the ship after two tough losses, or unfortunately may be facing Miami with Tua back in the latter part of the season.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Figured maybe you forgot the mess you root for when running in here to take a ****.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Good coach? Wut? Saleh?
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Good coach
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Good coach? Wut? Saleh?
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
what you want the guy to do w a 14yr old girl at qb, followed by the ghost of jerry garcia?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
20-36 is considered a good record for a Browns' coach.Good coach? Wut? Saleh?
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
This is a bad take. 1. He's Lebanese 2. He wore it last season as well. If they were 4-1 he could wear whatever flag he damn well wanted.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
He's a good Defensive coordinator. The 49ers should bring him back tbh.Good coach
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I don't know. How do all the other coaches manage to do it and win?Good coach? Wut? Saleh?
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
what you want the guy to do w a 14yr old girl at qb, followed by the ghost of jerry garcia?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
His defensive system is based on having 4 top pass rushers to get to the QB without blitzing - I'm not even sure he's a great defensive coordinator to be honest. I do think he's a good man and could possibly be a good HC under the right circumstances - but was obviously not in an ideal situation being married to Zach and now Rodgers.He's a good Defensive coordinator. The 49ers should bring him back tbh.Good coach
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Yeah, two weeks in a row Rodgers and then Quincy flat calling for accountability was the true death knell.
Yup.
The cadence thing was the final straw I think.
Rodgers loves that and has been incredibly effective with it. To suggest they just stop it because the players can't handle it was wild.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
You say that but what top 4 pass rushers did he have with the Jets? They actually changed his game plan to fit personnel, dialing up more blitzes when the 4 man rush wasn't there. The defense under Saleh was never the issue. It's the offense (more precisely the QB as always with the damn Jets) the penalties, clock management and lack of preparation that made his tenure a failure.His defensive system is based on having 4 top pass rushers to get to the QB without blitzing - I'm not even sure he's a great defensive coordinator to be honest. I do think he's a good man and could possibly be a good HC under the right circumstances - but was obviously not in an ideal situation being married to Zach and now Rodgers.He's a good Defensive coordinator. The 49ers should bring him back tbh.Good coach
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I agree the defense wasn't the issue - I do think his "system" is limited and I think Ubrich had a lot to do with making the defense good.You say that but what top 4 pass rushers did he have with the Jets? They actually changed his game plan to fit personnel, dialing up more blitzes when the 4 man rush wasn't there. The defense under Saleh was never the issue. It's the offense (more precisely the QB as always with the damn Jets) the penalties, clock management and lack of preparation that made his tenure a failure.His defensive system is based on having 4 top pass rushers to get to the QB without blitzing - I'm not even sure he's a great defensive coordinator to be honest. I do think he's a good man and could possibly be a good HC under the right circumstances - but was obviously not in an ideal situation being married to Zach and now Rodgers.He's a good Defensive coordinator. The 49ers should bring him back tbh.Good coach
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
Chaka
Footballguy
It doesn't matter who Davante is focusing on, he doesn't have a no trade clause. The Raiders are looking for top value back for him regardless of destination.
The question is will this move make the Jets offer more than the Steelers, Saints etc?
jwb
Footballguy
Rodgers answer to that was sooo cold too - "yea, that's one way to do it. The other way is to hold them accountable"
doeseatplace
Footballguy
I thought they would have promoted Nate Hackett to head lackey coach and hired Tim Boyle and Randall Cobb as co-OCs.
GrantK
Footballguy
:laughingemoji:
zamboni
Footballguy
I actually think Saleh would do pretty well as a college coach. Seems to be very well liked by his players and doesn't necessarily have to contend with divas. Surround yourself with good offensive and defensive minds and it can work fine at that level. He's a good guy and I wish him well in his future endeavors, just not here.
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Rodgers: "No. They expect one of us in the wreckage, Brother"
Rodgers: "No. They expect one of us in the wreckage, Brother"
bolldpt
Footballguy
I thought he was an American?
I see him very much like Brian Flores. Will be a top NFL DC again.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
His record indicates that he's almost as good as Raheem Morris and slightly better than Romeo Crennel. What's not good about that?Good coach
Firing a good coach for a washed up hippie of a qb is, surprisingly, something we haven't yet done.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I've posted ad nauseam about how bad Saleh was as a head coach. Anyone looking to blame/credit Rodgers, some Lebanese flag, or something else clearly hasn't watched this team play.
Saleh is the same coach he was three years ago, maybe worse now that he seemed more detached and like a zombie out there.
Same mistakes over and over. Never addressing anything. Always saying "we'll take a look at it" and/or "we'll fix it" without fixing it. He was simply terrible and getting worse especially with the press. The team was always under-prepared to start games or coming out of bye weeks. Terrible coaching hires. You name it. It's a long list of reasons why he should be fired regardless of who was the QB.
Good riddance. I don't know if the team will be better, but it can't be worse. Now do something about the terrible play design and play-calling. If they won't fire Hackett, then make him the water boy or something.
Saleh is the same coach he was three years ago, maybe worse now that he seemed more detached and like a zombie out there.
Same mistakes over and over. Never addressing anything. Always saying "we'll take a look at it" and/or "we'll fix it" without fixing it. He was simply terrible and getting worse especially with the press. The team was always under-prepared to start games or coming out of bye weeks. Terrible coaching hires. You name it. It's a long list of reasons why he should be fired regardless of who was the QB.
Good riddance. I don't know if the team will be better, but it can't be worse. Now do something about the terrible play design and play-calling. If they won't fire Hackett, then make him the water boy or something.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
stunning move by Woody, can't believe he had the stones to do it.
The players comments have been bleeding through these past two weeks about accountability time and time again, 15 penalties against Denver was unreal. Quincy this week also was beginning to chime in about it.. it seems like a rare Woody move that actually made sense. I can't believe he actually did it during the season, first time in his tenure as owner.
Ulbrich looks very solid and lucky to have him on the staff to slide in as he is still a coach on the rise. Obviously the O (aka Hackett) is a big problem, but going to give Ulbrich a chance to figure it out as the lead guy now.
The players comments have been bleeding through these past two weeks about accountability time and time again, 15 penalties against Denver was unreal. Quincy this week also was beginning to chime in about it.. it seems like a rare Woody move that actually made sense. I can't believe he actually did it during the season, first time in his tenure as owner.
Ulbrich looks very solid and lucky to have him on the staff to slide in as he is still a coach on the rise. Obviously the O (aka Hackett) is a big problem, but going to give Ulbrich a chance to figure it out as the lead guy now.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
What I said is entirely true
zamboni
Footballguy
That would be fitting considering Flores’ defense was the one that ultimately put him on the unemployment line.
