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Powers-Johnson aint a Pouncey level prospect, though. IMO at least
The 3 players that really seemed like Steelers to me are Mike Sainristil, Blake Fisher, and Khristian Boyd. I think they talked to MS at the Mich pro day and brought the other 2 in for visits. I think all 3 are in play in the 3rd/4th if they're still there. Though I think they'd take Maason over Boyd, but Boyd should go later.Khristian Boyd visiting today. I really like him for the Steelers, but had kind of written him off because nobody at all attended the pro day. Now he is in play I think and a decent fit.
I've recently read rumors about both Mims and JPJ/Frazier going lower than expected (though this is lying season). I'm not locked into Mims as our OT in the 1st, I'd rather have Fuaga, Fautanu, Latham, or Fashanu, but I could definitely be talked into trading down and grabbing both.Dulac thinks there may be concern about 1 of the 3 being there at 51.I think 1 of the 3 centers will make it there. I'd bet heavily that it's a tackle in round 1 unless they're all gone. And only way they trade up is if there's concern about getting 1 of the 3 centers where they are in the 2nd.You think he will be there at 51 or they will need to trade up?He'll make a great 2nd round pick.JPJ visiting today.
Also, they can't draft him because then when someone says JPJ we won't know which one they're talking about.
Also read that Mims stock might be falling so maybe they could go JPJ in the 1st (but centers "never go that high"...cough cough Pouncey) and Mims in the 2nd if he were to fall.
Bingo!this is lying season
He was seen at the airport! Someone caught a photoCooper Dejean in for a visit today. They have looked at a lot of Day 1 and 2 CBs.
Buffalo doesn't have a 3rd, so trading up to 20 would probably be some pick swaps. Move back 8 picks in round 1 to slide up from round 3 to late 2nd.I've recently read rumors about both Mims and JPJ/Frazier going lower than expected (though this is lying season). I'm not locked into Mims as our OT in the 1st, I'd rather have Fuaga, Fautanu, Latham, or Fashanu, but I could definitely be talked into trading down and grabbing both.
I think there are a handful of possible trade down targets in the 1st. Buffalo needs a WR and if they love Thomas or AD they could jump up, Lions need OT and S, if DeJean is still there they might jump up to grab him or if there's a specific tackle they want.
If we move down 5 spots it should net us enough to be able to jump to the top of the 2nd from 51, if we give up all of our compensation. If we move down 8-9 spots then we can jump into the top 40 and still retain part of the compensation we earned (Give up 20 for 29 and 73, then trade 51 and 98 to get ~40). Moves us up 25 picks in the 3rd and we still get the OT/OC we wanted.
Pick | Player | Pos | College |
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1:28 | Graham Barton | OT | Duke |
2:19 | Xavier Legette | WR | South Carolina |
2:28 | Mike Sainristil | CB | Michigan |
3:20 | Maason Smith | DL | LSU |
4:19 | Roger Rosengarten | OT | Washington |
6:2 | Tahj Washington | WR | USC |
6:19 | Dillon Johnson | RB | Washington |
Acquired | Via | Traded Away |
---|---|---|
1:28, 2:28 | BUF | 1:20, 3:34 |
Pick | Player | Pos | College |
---|---|---|---|
1:28 | Nate Wiggins | CB | Clemson |
2:2 | Graham Barton | OT | Duke |
2:28 | Malachi Corley | WR | Western Kentucky |
4:19 | Roger Rosengarten | OT | Washington |
6:2 | Khristian Boyd | DL | Northern Iowa |
6:19 | Dillon Johnson | RB | Washington |
Acquired | Via | Traded Away |
---|---|---|
1:28, 2:28 | BUF | 1:20, 3:34 |
2:2 | NE | 2:19, 3:20 |
IF the 49ers trade Aiyuk, nothing less than a 1st gets the convo started, but I've heard nothing about being in talks with any team, just click bait saying the Steelers are interested.Noah Strackbein saying his inside sources calling Aiyuk trade 50/50 would be more surprised if it didn't happen. Steelers want SF to absorb more of the 2024 cap number, so it sounds like they are down to smaller details vs. what round picks involved.
Nothing revealed about what the actual compensation would be. SF does have a bunch of picks especially 3 in round 4. My guess would be SF is more interested in moving up in the 1st than loading up on later picks. Would be pretty sweet if comp is say swap 1st round picks 20 with 31.
Respectfully don't agree or see the comp. Bills were done with Diggs and were willing to eat money to get rid of him and they still got back a second for a one year rental on a player who appears to be in full on decline. Just not seeing how that drives down any potential Aiyuk price.But Diggs trade value hurts 49ers trade value.
Certainly could be a 1st to get the conversation started. Kinda funny he's typically under utilized and behind McCaffrey, DeeBo fighting with Kittle for 3rd. Might be enough firepower SF chooses to save the cap space for other positions and be ok with less than a 1st similar to Buffalo trading Diggs.IF the 49ers trade Aiyuk, nothing less than a 1st gets the convo started, but I've heard nothing about being in talks with any team, just click bait saying the Steelers are interested.Noah Strackbein saying his inside sources calling Aiyuk trade 50/50 would be more surprised if it didn't happen. Steelers want SF to absorb more of the 2024 cap number, so it sounds like they are down to smaller details vs. what round picks involved.
Nothing revealed about what the actual compensation would be. SF does have a bunch of picks especially 3 in round 4. My guess would be SF is more interested in moving up in the 1st than loading up on later picks. Would be pretty sweet if comp is say swap 1st round picks 20 with 31.
It's not like SF can't afford to pay Aiyuk. They can and will, IMO, but they're known for getting there big deals done late summer, so until then, the chatter and speculation will continue.
Good point. Aiyuk is more in his prime too. Probably is a 1st plus to make it work.Respectfully don't agree or see the comp. Bills were done with Diggs and were willing to eat money to get rid of him and they still got back a second for a one year rental on a player who appears to be in full on decline. Just not seeing how that drives down any potential Aiyuk price.But Diggs trade value hurts 49ers trade value.
Barton at 51 is crazy. The 10 experts listed in DraftBuzz have Barton between 14 and 34, 18 and 33 if you throw out the min and max.The mock draft simulators are getting crazier and crazier, but I'm not sure if that means that players are moving around a ton or if lying season is just throwing everything off. A recent sim netted me Mims after a trade down in the 1st, and Barton at 51 in the 2nd. That just seems inaccurate.
What are the odds we double dip at OT if we take Mims in the 1st? He feels like a risky OT with lots of upside, could make sense to take a player in the late 3rd or 4th to compete with Mims.Barton at 51 is crazy. The 10 experts listed in DraftBuzz have Barton between 14 and 34, 18 and 33 if you throw out the min and max.The mock draft simulators are getting crazier and crazier, but I'm not sure if that means that players are moving around a ton or if lying season is just throwing everything off. A recent sim netted me Mims after a trade down in the 1st, and Barton at 51 in the 2nd. That just seems inaccurate.
BTW, PIT drafts just before Miami and we have similar needs. PIT could scoop Miami out of a good IOL/OT or dline selection.
Can't have enough OL depth so possible we double dip. I'll be honest Mims is the guy I'm planting my flag down for, the major reason I don't want to trade for an Aiyuk instead of saving that first, believe we'd just be a year ahead of a curve which would see him being a top 10 pick next year so saying that I don't share the high risk concerns as much and we'd still have Moore for next season while he learns.What are the odds we double dip at OT if we take Mims in the 1st? He feels like a risky OT with lots of upside, could make sense to take a player in the late 3rd or 4th to compete with Mims.Barton at 51 is crazy. The 10 experts listed in DraftBuzz have Barton between 14 and 34, 18 and 33 if you throw out the min and max.The mock draft simulators are getting crazier and crazier, but I'm not sure if that means that players are moving around a ton or if lying season is just throwing everything off. A recent sim netted me Mims after a trade down in the 1st, and Barton at 51 in the 2nd. That just seems inaccurate.
BTW, PIT drafts just before Miami and we have similar needs. PIT could scoop Miami out of a good IOL/OT or dline selection.
Also, it's incredibly frustrating in mocks to take Barton in the 1st and have Frazier available in the 2nd. Feels like a waste because the drop from Barton to Frazier appears to be much less than the drop at OT/CB/WR.
Can't have enough OL depth so possible we double dip. I'll be honest Mims is the guy I'm planting my flag down for, the major reason I don't want to trade for an Aiyuk instead of saving that first, believe we'd just be a year ahead of a curve which would see him being a top 10 pick next year so saying that I don't share the high risk concerns as much and we'd still have Moore for next season while he learns.What are the odds we double dip at OT if we take Mims in the 1st? He feels like a risky OT with lots of upside, could make sense to take a player in the late 3rd or 4th to compete with Mims.Barton at 51 is crazy. The 10 experts listed in DraftBuzz have Barton between 14 and 34, 18 and 33 if you throw out the min and max.The mock draft simulators are getting crazier and crazier, but I'm not sure if that means that players are moving around a ton or if lying season is just throwing everything off. A recent sim netted me Mims after a trade down in the 1st, and Barton at 51 in the 2nd. That just seems inaccurate.
BTW, PIT drafts just before Miami and we have similar needs. PIT could scoop Miami out of a good IOL/OT or dline selection.
Also, it's incredibly frustrating in mocks to take Barton in the 1st and have Frazier available in the 2nd. Feels like a waste because the drop from Barton to Frazier appears to be much less than the drop at OT/CB/WR.
Daniel Jeremiah is adamant Barton won't be around past the 20's. As Center's got the drop off may not be much between Frazier and him, but where I believe the major value gap is occurring between the two is that Frazier is a pure C, Barton I keep getting told can play all 5 positions.
Respectfully don't agree or see the comp. Bills were done with Diggs and were willing to eat money to get rid of him and they still got back a second for a one year rental on a player who appears to be in full on decline. Just not seeing how that drives down any potential Aiyuk price.But Diggs trade value hurts 49ers trade value.
Don't know if it's who you are thinking about, perhaps. His arms are on the longer side for the top C prospects, in line with the few top G prospects but no top OT prospects in this draft have arms remotely that short and the closest you can probably come to a successful NFL OT with that arm length is Slater who has him beat by 1/8th of an inch.Can't have enough OL depth so possible we double dip. I'll be honest Mims is the guy I'm planting my flag down for, the major reason I don't want to trade for an Aiyuk instead of saving that first, believe we'd just be a year ahead of a curve which would see him being a top 10 pick next year so saying that I don't share the high risk concerns as much and we'd still have Moore for next season while he learns.What are the odds we double dip at OT if we take Mims in the 1st? He feels like a risky OT with lots of upside, could make sense to take a player in the late 3rd or 4th to compete with Mims.Barton at 51 is crazy. The 10 experts listed in DraftBuzz have Barton between 14 and 34, 18 and 33 if you throw out the min and max.The mock draft simulators are getting crazier and crazier, but I'm not sure if that means that players are moving around a ton or if lying season is just throwing everything off. A recent sim netted me Mims after a trade down in the 1st, and Barton at 51 in the 2nd. That just seems inaccurate.
BTW, PIT drafts just before Miami and we have similar needs. PIT could scoop Miami out of a good IOL/OT or dline selection.
Also, it's incredibly frustrating in mocks to take Barton in the 1st and have Frazier available in the 2nd. Feels like a waste because the drop from Barton to Frazier appears to be much less than the drop at OT/CB/WR.
Daniel Jeremiah is adamant Barton won't be around past the 20's. As Center's got the drop off may not be much between Frazier and him, but where I believe the major value gap is occurring between the two is that Frazier is a pure C, Barton I keep getting told can play all 5 positions.
"Can" doesn't mean "should." Isn't he the guy with hella short arms? Those types typically don't last at OT.
Can't imagine teams aren't looking at him as interior only, if he's the raptor-armed dude I'm thinking of. Possible I'm confusing him with one of the other prospects.
For a 2025 2nd or 1st round swap? Or pick 98?Aiyuk very alive, but who knows.
9ers are adamant they're not trading but you know how that goes.Aiyuk very alive, but who knows.
I'd consider everything else gravy if the first two rounds went this way.
- 20 - Amarius Mims, OT
- 51 - Zach Frazier, OC
Can't see him not being traded for a first or something equal to a first on the trade charts.98 - TRADE - Brandon Aiyuk (also a 2025 4th)
Pretty much no chance anyone slips to these spots except Mims. I consider him a reach at 20. He has played 8 games. His bust potential is sky highBest case scenario?
- 20 - Amarius Mims, OT
- 51 - Zach Frazier, OC
- 84 - Mike Sainristil, CB
- 98 - TRADE - Brandon Aiyuk (also a 2025 4th)
- 119 - Luke McCaffrey, WR
- 178 - Khristian Boyd, DL
- 195 - Tommy Eichenberg, LB
This would be insane.Best case scenario?
- 20 - Amarius Mims, OT
- 51 - Zach Frazier, OC
- 84 - Mike Sainristil, CB
- 98 - TRADE - Brandon Aiyuk (also a 2025 4th)
- 119 - Luke McCaffrey, WR
- 178 - Khristian Boyd, DL
- 195 - Tommy Eichenberg, LB
I really like this plan, and I think it can happen. Swapping our 3rd with their 5th or 6th round pick would be ideal.If the Steelers really want to max Russ' production they should make a strong offer (3rd rounder) to the Broncos for WR Courtland Sutton. Those two accounted for 10 TD's last season and Sutton was the only non-checkdown target Wilson ever really trusted.
He's a cut candidate, would imagine Denver would jump on just getting back a 5th or 6th by itself. Not remotely worth a third.I really like this plan, and I think it can happen. Swapping our 3rd with their 5th or 6th round pick would be ideal.If the Steelers really want to max Russ' production they should make a strong offer (3rd rounder) to the Broncos for WR Courtland Sutton. Those two accounted for 10 TD's last season and Sutton was the only non-checkdown target Wilson ever really trusted.
Good Lord. There's no way the Broncos will cut him. They just paid him a $2 million injury guarantee knowing he had clean-up ankle surgery.He's a cut candidate, would imagine Denver would jump on just getting back a 5th or 6th by itself. Not remotely worth a third.I really like this plan, and I think it can happen. Swapping our 3rd with their 5th or 6th round pick would be ideal.If the Steelers really want to max Russ' production they should make a strong offer (3rd rounder) to the Broncos for WR Courtland Sutton. Those two accounted for 10 TD's last season and Sutton was the only non-checkdown target Wilson ever really trusted.
Chris TomassonGood Lord. There's no way the Broncos will cut him. They just paid him a $2 million injury guarantee knowing he had clean-up ankle surgery.He's a cut candidate, would imagine Denver would jump on just getting back a 5th or 6th by itself. Not remotely worth a third.I really like this plan, and I think it can happen. Swapping our 3rd with their 5th or 6th round pick would be ideal.If the Steelers really want to max Russ' production they should make a strong offer (3rd rounder) to the Broncos for WR Courtland Sutton. Those two accounted for 10 TD's last season and Sutton was the only non-checkdown target Wilson ever really trusted.
So if you're the Broncos front office, what is your rationale for releasing him?Chris TomassonGood Lord. There's no way the Broncos will cut him. They just paid him a $2 million injury guarantee knowing he had clean-up ankle surgery.He's a cut candidate, would imagine Denver would jump on just getting back a 5th or 6th by itself. Not remotely worth a third.I really like this plan, and I think it can happen. Swapping our 3rd with their 5th or 6th round pick would be ideal.If the Steelers really want to max Russ' production they should make a strong offer (3rd rounder) to the Broncos for WR Courtland Sutton. Those two accounted for 10 TD's last season and Sutton was the only non-checkdown target Wilson ever really trusted.
@christomasson
Issue with #Broncos Courtland Sutton wanting new deal is being in limbo with possibility of being released. Jason Fitzgerald of OvertheCap says his contract has offset language. So if released & signs with another team for $2 mil. or more, Broncos get reimbursed his $2M guarantee
So if you're the Broncos front office, what is your rationale for releasing him?Chris TomassonGood Lord. There's no way the Broncos will cut him. They just paid him a $2 million injury guarantee knowing he had clean-up ankle surgery.He's a cut candidate, would imagine Denver would jump on just getting back a 5th or 6th by itself. Not remotely worth a third.I really like this plan, and I think it can happen. Swapping our 3rd with their 5th or 6th round pick would be ideal.If the Steelers really want to max Russ' production they should make a strong offer (3rd rounder) to the Broncos for WR Courtland Sutton. Those two accounted for 10 TD's last season and Sutton was the only non-checkdown target Wilson ever really trusted.
@christomasson
Issue with #Broncos Courtland Sutton wanting new deal is being in limbo with possibility of being released. Jason Fitzgerald of OvertheCap says his contract has offset language. So if released & signs with another team for $2 mil. or more, Broncos get reimbursed his $2M guarantee
From a financial standpoint, if Denver was going to cut him they would have done so when they were in cap hell to go after FA's like they did with Justin Simmons. Doing so now makes no sense whatsoever.
From a performance standpoint, the guy is just 28, coming off a 10 TD season, fairly paid, with elite contested catch and red zone skills.
I'm only responding to your post that nested mine. So if you don't want a response and a conversation then don't reply.quit cluttering up this thread.
take that third round nonsense you are selling somewhere else and quit cluttering up this thread.
Excuse me but when someone responds to my post with a "good lord" I'll respond in kind and I'd appreciate if you feel the need to call someone out you do it with more in a more equitable fashion.take that third round nonsense you are selling somewhere else and quit cluttering up this thread.
Please be more cool than that.
We can discuss and disagree here without getting down to insults like that. Thanks.
Let's get Russ an AiyukAiyuk with a cryptic post on IG about fireworks draft night. Checks out . . . .