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2024 Quarterback class revisited (5 Viewers)

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Here are the top six QBs picked in the 2024 rookie draft with their pick number:

Caleb Williams (Pick 1)
Jayden Daniels (2)
Drake Maye (3)
Michael Penix (8)
J.J. McCarthy (10)
Bo Nix (12)

We have had a year to watch them play and develop. Some (Williams, Daniels) more than others (McCarthy). So what order do you think they would go today?

Daniels/Nix/Williams/Penix/Maye/McCarthy

would be my draft order.
 
Caleb could still be solid and the o-line just did him no favors. Hard to judge McCarthy. I find myself liking GMs list.
 
Caleb's stats are eerily similar to Bo Nix. Except the oxymoron is that Bo has 9 more TDs and yet Caleb had a stacked WR core. Another oxymoron Caleb due to a porous offensive line had 3 times as many sacks as Bo Nix. But threw 6 interceptions half the amount that Bo did.
 
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I stick with the way they were drated. Maybe move Daniels up over may but that may be bias because I saw him play several times and watched Maye zero.
 
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I only watched a couple Chicago games this year, and I saw Caleb running for his life nearly every pass play. Get him a real o-line and then I think we can more fairly judge him.
 
My view ...

Daniels - clearly showed high value / increased potential


Maye - head was in game even with no weapons
Nix - showed promise, but still developing

Caleb - whole offensive line is a wreck / needs lots of changes to climb (but has weapons & potential)


Penix - have not seen enough to move up
JJ Mc - injury took away any showing
 
I put them in this order:
  • Daniels: Obviously has skills, poise, ability to play at this level and win big games
  • Nix: Surprised everyone and was utlized/groomed by quality coaching staff to his strengths
  • Caleb: Showed abilities that are elite but coaching/line/team did him no favors.
  • Maye: Terrible team with lame duck coach but showed he belongs in the NFL
  • Pennix: Too small sample size to know for sure but held his own and looked solid (but so did Levis in a small sample size so the jury is still out but looks promising)
  • JJM: In a great spot with great coaching (look what KOC did with Darnold for the regular season). Showed promise in one pre-season game but jury still out
 
I only watched a couple Chicago games this year, and I saw Caleb running for his life nearly every pass play. Get him a real o-line and then I think we can more fairly judge him.
I think he’s reason picky Ben Johnson chose that job and that carries a lot of weight with me.

Don’t think it’s a coincidence that arguably the 2 most in demand HC candidates chose jobs with Maye and Caleb in place. Vrabel, with his NE connections, might have anyway, but I don’t think Chicago stood a shot if they did not have Caleb.

Perhaps Ben Johnson would have accepted the job if the Bears had Nix, JJ or Penix instead? We’ll never know, but I think Caleb was the main draw for him.
 
Daniels certainly seems like he's a Joe Burrow type talent who could thrive on many different teams.

Caleb will be like TLaw and have excuses made for him for the next 4 years while he flashes at times, but otherwise folks are endlessly waiting for him to "play up to his potential."

The order of the rest of the list is almost purely a function of teams/coaches willing to adjust to what they do well. Nix in a Sean Payton scheme is the perfect example of that, but I give Nix credit he's been able to handle being a poor mans' Drew Brees.
 
Is anyone taking into account the ages of these QBs?

Williams - turns 24 in November
Daniels - turns 25 in December
Maye - turns 23 in August
Penix - turns 25 in May
Nix - turns 25 in February
McCarthy - 22 (just turned yesterday)

Some of these guys are older than or just as old as some of the young vets. Bryce Young and CJ Stroud are only 23. Brock Purdy and Trevor Lawrence are 25. Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert, Tua Tagovailoa and Jordan Love are 26. Daniels, Penix and Nix aren't exactly young when you see the ages of the other young QBs.
 
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Tier Alpha - worth more than a Bryce Young type trade up or the Watson trade. but their teams wouldn’t take it.
Daniels
Maye

Tier 2 - worth trading the 2025 1.01 without any hesitation
Caleb
Penix
Nix - I know I have him low. But he’s still worth the 1 easily.

Tier 3 - worth a first, probably not the 1
McCarthy
 
I haven't seen enough of these guys to get a flavor for how they did or what they will turn into. That being said, here in NE, the geeky analytics types they've interviewed on sports talk radio / tv / podcasts have all raved about Maye. Apparently, the advanced numbers show he was one of the tops in the league in terms of accuracy and catchable throws (not just the rookies . . . all QBs). He had practically no line, receiving talent, or play calling to work with. They also didn't even call a running play for him until the last week or two. That's where these data crunching types have suggested not to look at the team's record or Maye's totals . . . many of them thought he has a bright future and should be considered near the top of the rookies with Daniels. I can't say that I have much of an opinion or agree or disagree. Just throwing out what I had heard out there for general consumption.
 
Penix
Nix
Daniels


Caleb
Maye

JJ
I'd love a reasoning behind Daniels not being #1.
Partly because I'm trying to not do the obvious, like, why not? Also, have not watched a ton of him, yet.

The other part is Penix. Been a big believer and, OTOH, have watched a ton of him, so I'm sold. In fact, I like him having to sit and learn and stuff, that was perfect. Really dislike it when they throw them into the fire right away; still think that's an awful decision for most. Health is my big concern but it's football.

As for Nix ahead of Daniels, there's bias there, but his situation, experience, basically everything going on there, gives him an ideal opportunity in being able to make that next, big step. And everything I see says he'll thrive in it. Awesome pick at 12.
 
I only watched a couple Chicago games this year, and I saw Caleb running for his life nearly every pass play. Get him a real o-line and then I think we can more fairly judge him.
I think he’s reason picky Ben Johnson chose that job and that carries a lot of weight with me.

Don’t think it’s a coincidence that arguably the 2 most in demand HC candidates chose jobs with Maye and Caleb in place. Vrabel, with his NE connections, might have anyway, but I don’t think Chicago stood a shot if they did not have Caleb.

Perhaps Ben Johnson would have accepted the job if the Bears had Nix, JJ or Penix instead? We’ll never know, but I think Caleb was the main draw for him.
Ben accepts the job regardless of QB and he has $13 million reasons why.
 
I only watched a couple Chicago games this year, and I saw Caleb running for his life nearly every pass play. Get him a real o-line and then I think we can more fairly judge him.
I think he’s reason picky Ben Johnson chose that job and that carries a lot of weight with me.

Don’t think it’s a coincidence that arguably the 2 most in demand HC candidates chose jobs with Maye and Caleb in place. Vrabel, with his NE connections, might have anyway, but I don’t think Chicago stood a shot if they did not have Caleb.

Perhaps Ben Johnson would have accepted the job if the Bears had Nix, JJ or Penix instead? We’ll never know, but I think Caleb was the main draw for him.
Ben accepts the job regardless of QB and he has $13 million reasons why.
Missing me with this point because he's turned down multiple other jobs that all were also ready and willing to pay him. It's all about Caleb. Accept it.
 
I only watched a couple Chicago games this year, and I saw Caleb running for his life nearly every pass play. Get him a real o-line and then I think we can more fairly judge him.
I think he’s reason picky Ben Johnson chose that job and that carries a lot of weight with me.

Don’t think it’s a coincidence that arguably the 2 most in demand HC candidates chose jobs with Maye and Caleb in place. Vrabel, with his NE connections, might have anyway, but I don’t think Chicago stood a shot if they did not have Caleb.

Perhaps Ben Johnson would have accepted the job if the Bears had Nix, JJ or Penix instead? We’ll never know, but I think Caleb was the main draw for him.
Ben accepts the job regardless of QB and he has $13 million reasons why.
Missing me with this point because he's turned down multiple other jobs that all were also ready and willing to pay him. It's all about Caleb. Accept it.
Can you confirm he was ever offered 13 million before now?
 
I only watched a couple Chicago games this year, and I saw Caleb running for his life nearly every pass play. Get him a real o-line and then I think we can more fairly judge him.
I think he’s reason picky Ben Johnson chose that job and that carries a lot of weight with me.

Don’t think it’s a coincidence that arguably the 2 most in demand HC candidates chose jobs with Maye and Caleb in place. Vrabel, with his NE connections, might have anyway, but I don’t think Chicago stood a shot if they did not have Caleb.

Perhaps Ben Johnson would have accepted the job if the Bears had Nix, JJ or Penix instead? We’ll never know, but I think Caleb was the main draw for him.
Ben accepts the job regardless of QB and he has $13 million reasons why.
Missing me with this point because he's turned down multiple other jobs that all were also ready and willing to pay him. It's all about Caleb. Accept it.
Can you confirm he was ever offered 13 million before now?
I think you know that no one is every going to confirm this kind of thing but I will rely on basic logic that arguably the most coveted head coaching candidate the last two years could have obtained this pay with multiple suitors if that was his goal.
 
When we do this next year Caleb will be at the top of all these lists.

I suspect he'll be on most of my ff teams next year based on the temperature in here.

Disagree on the first statement.

I do think that Jayden Daniels will be massively overpriced in Fantasy drafts next year, and Caleb Williams will be underpriced. I'm seeing him with an ADP of something like QB3 and mid 30s overall. Anyone who buys him for that price in redraft is completely nuts IMHO. Sophomore slump will be very real IMHO. I'm thinking it will be like those who bought Justin Herbert in 2022 as QB3 in redraft and saw him finish QB9.
 
1. Daniels, already a top-5 NFL player.

(big dropoff)

2. McCarthy, I think Darnold is a fringe starter, and look what he did in this offense, McCarthy is an upgrade in every way. Huge dynasty target in my eyes. There's a Burrow ceiling here if everything breaks right.

(dropoff)

3. Maye, showed a lot with little around him. Has some Josh Allen to his game, we'll see how he develops. I wasn't thrilled by the Vrabel hire.

(dropoff)

4. Penix, situation is excellent, I have some questions on the player himself, but he hits some tight windows. Kind of reminds me of Prescott.
5. Caleb, I have some concerns that they may have already broken him. Had way too many plays where he was just scrambling around waiting to be sacked. Still like him but basically needs to be reset. Upside is still sky-high though. Might be more Kyler than the Mahomes he was hoped to be.

(dropoff)

6. Nix, had a solid season, I just think he's already at his ceiling. Reminds me of Bengals Dalton, who also started hot.

Outstanding class overall. I expect all 6 to be starters throughout their rookie deals.
 
I'm not sure how anyone can rank McCarthy. Based on what? How well he's healing from injury? How warm he kept the seat on the plane? His team? He could be anywhere from 1-6. He's not rankable. I guess he'd go 5 in a draft.

Thus far ..

Daniels
Nix
Maye
Caleb
Penix

I think Caleb will move up over time.. not sure how far.

Penix throws a beautiful ball but doesn't have the athleticism of the others.
 
I also think it's possible that Johnson took a job that's only 5 hours away so he wouldn't have to uproot his family as much. I agree though that he also felt that the Bears are a potentially good team and that played into his decision. I hope he told Pace to get him an o-line though.
 
Daniels
Caleb
Maye
Penix
JJ
Nix

I'm not dropping Caleb too much based on an epic midseason meltdown of a franchise.
 
When we do this next year Caleb will be at the top of all these lists.

I suspect he'll be on most of my ff teams next year based on the temperature in here.
Disagree.

He has all the skills but not the head.

Seen this story before.

Time will tell and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong, but I've watched a lot of his games and unless he gets some great QB coach that can change his thinking, I don't see it.
 
I'd go Daniels, Nix, Maye, Williams, Penix, McCarthy

Daniels speaks for himself. I thought Nix really showed a lot once he grasped the offense. I liked what Maye brought to the table throwing to Douglas, Boutte and some tight ends. Caleb seemed fine, but he had more weapons than others on this list. Penix didn't embarrass himself and we don't know about McCarthy.

Nobody asked, but I'd take Bryce Young over Penix and McCarthy. I think he's turned a corner.
 
1. Daniels, already a top-5 NFL player.

(big dropoff)

2. McCarthy, I think Darnold is a fringe starter, and look what he did in this offense, McCarthy is an upgrade in every way. Huge dynasty target in my eyes. There's a Burrow ceiling here if everything breaks right.

(dropoff)

3. Maye, showed a lot with little around him. Has some Josh Allen to his game, we'll see how he develops. I wasn't thrilled by the Vrabel hire.

(dropoff)
WOW. The Daniels declaration is a reach at such an early point, but I can respect it.

The McCarthy pick makes little sense to me. You are going on what exactly? A good college season surrounded by a great team and coach? And you actually lean on on Sam Darnold as some sort of "proof" of JJ being good? How does that jibe exactly? That runs counter -- or at a minimum, makes little sense -- to any point regarding his individual talent. I mean you are literally talking about the talent surrounding him, again (Michigan). This proves what about him?

Please, explain that part of your JJ #2 reasoning. That smells of more than just a little bias. Hello, we are how far into his career? And Sam Darnold, again, is what sort of barometer for a JJ McCarthy argument how?

We don't even have to go into the part he hasn't really played. Or should we? Reading this, you'd think it was JJ that took them to 14-2, got injured, and the team collapsed.

Your "drop-offs", btw, are interesting, to say the least. You have that much to go on, already?
 
1. Daniels - goes without saying but he's in a class by himself, in what's an impressive class.

2. Maye - going against the grain here a bit, but I remember when proclamations of 'he'll die behind that OL' were the reason he was not playing and then when it was announced he was QB1, alot of pearl clutching for his future. None of it seemed to phase him and to deal with an adverse situation as calmly and matter of factly as he did, bodes well for him.

3. Nix - Really showed the most growth from Game 1-17 and his connection with Payton was real. The confidence in that partnership to grow is the best of the bunch including Daniels.

4. Penix - While I am a Falcon fan, I've been down on them in recent years. But they were wise to CYA on their Cousins investment and his raw skills were impressive.

5. Caleb - We can give him a mulligan as the situation in CHI was trash with Flus at the helm. But I do think Caleb needs to grow up fast and learn how to be a pro. I think he got caught off guard with how tough the NFL is.

6. JJ - no info to go on.
 
1. Daniels, already a top-5 NFL player.

(big dropoff)

2. McCarthy, I think Darnold is a fringe starter, and look what he did in this offense, McCarthy is an upgrade in every way. Huge dynasty target in my eyes. There's a Burrow ceiling here if everything breaks right.

(dropoff)

3. Maye, showed a lot with little around him. Has some Josh Allen to his game, we'll see how he develops. I wasn't thrilled by the Vrabel hire.

(dropoff)
WOW. The Daniels declaration is a reach at such an early point, but I can respect it.

The McCarthy pick makes little sense to me. You are going on what exactly? A good college season surrounded by a great team and coach? And you actually lean on on Sam Darnold as some sort of "proof" of JJ being good? How does that jibe exactly? That runs counter -- or at a minimum, makes little sense -- to any point regarding his individual talent. I mean you are literally talking about the talent surrounding him, again (Michigan). This proves what about him?

Please, explain that part of your JJ #2 reasoning. That smells of more than just a little bias. Hello, we are how far into his career? And Sam Darnold, again, is what sort of barometer for a JJ McCarthy argument how?

We don't even have to go into the part he hasn't really played. Or should we? Reading this, you'd think it was JJ that took them to 14-2, got injured, and the team collapsed.

Your "drop-offs", btw, are interesting, to say the least. You have that much to go on, already?
With only 1 year of NFL play, I'm still weighing college play, and prospect analysis quite a bit. I think that makes sense for young players, and I'd even argue its not until year 3 or so, when we should start looking an NFL-only returns. In that regard, I was one of the people still defending Bryce Young at this time last year, though I'd still have him behind all 6 of these guys.

I think QB in general has some steep dropoffs. Overall I think:
1. Josh Allen
(big dropoff)
2. Lamar Jackson/Patrick Mahomes
(dropoff)
4. Joe Burrow/Jayden Daniels
(dropoff)
6. Justin Herbert

After the top-5, if I were starting an NFL team, I think its reasonable to start looking outside of QB, though I'd probably still go Herbert over guys like Myles Garrett, Nick Bosa, or Micah Parsons. Though maybe not Garrett if he were younger.

The reason I bring that up, is I really liked JJ McCarthy as a prospect. I will 100% admit, as much as I attempt not to, the occasional bias will slip in. I am a Michigan guy, but I think more often than not, that makes me harder on Wolverines than easier on them. I did in 2022 say Aidan Hutchinson was the best defensive prospect since Myles Garrett, I didn't think that was bias.

Which brings me back to McCarthy. I think JJ McCarthy has a Joe Burrow level ceiling. I think the Wolverines offense held him back, because they were blowing teams out so much, that he wasn't asked to do much. Whenever he was, he came through. I bring up Darnold, because I think Darnold is a fringe starting talent, who had a career year in an extremely QB friendly offense. JJ McCarthy is better than Darnold at pretty much everything. More accurate, more mobile (assuming the meniscus is fully healed) better decision maker, and better under pressure, the one advantage Darnold may have is arm strength, and even then, I'd probably call that a tie.

I feel like JJ McCarthy in this extremely QB friendly offense, has a shot to be viewed in a similar light this time next year, as Justin Herbert.

Its possible I'm answering a different question than what is being asked. I took this as more of a how would you rank them going forward question. Not a what have they shown so far question. So, situation took some precedence. If it was just off how they played this season, I'd say:

Daniels
(huge dropoff)
Nix
Maye
(dropoff)
Caleb
(dropoff)
Penix
McCarthy
 
What a fantastic QB class.

1. Jayden Daniels: How can it not be Daniels at the top? The only real concern with Daniels is whether he has the frame to maintain this level of play.

2. Caleb Williams: Rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated. The Ben Johnson hire helps boost Caleb's stock.

3. Bo Nix: Nix is in a great situation in Denver with Sean Payton guiding him.

4. Michael Penix: Incredible arm talent and a great supporting cast. Penix's lack of contribution in the running game hurts his value a bit.

5. Drake Maye: Love the player, but not so much the team. A lack of receiving talent around Maye pushes Maye down this list.

6. J.J. McCarthy: I hate putting McCarthy at the bottom of this list, because I love the situation he is poised to inherit and his raw talent. However, there will likely be some growing pains to endure as he bounces back from a lost rookie season.
 
I only watched a couple Chicago games this year, and I saw Caleb running for his life nearly every pass play. Get him a real o-line and then I think we can more fairly judge him.
After we re-rank them next offseason, Caleb jumps to #2. The Bears brain trust was clueless this year in terms of playcalling and schemes- an abundance of slow developing pass plays with a battered o-line. Ben Johnson will fix that.

The Bears built a solid surrounding cast- Keenan, Swift, Odunze, but the play calls, in-game management, along with Caleb himself holding the ball too long, undid what was a solid off-season roster build.
 
I only watched a couple Chicago games this year, and I saw Caleb running for his life nearly every pass play. Get him a real o-line and then I think we can more fairly judge him.
After we re-rank them next offseason, Caleb jumps to #2. The Bears brain trust was clueless this year in terms of playcalling and schemes- an abundance of slow developing pass plays with a battered o-line. Ben Johnson will fix that.

The Bears built a solid surrounding cast- Keenan, Swift, Odunze, but the play calls, in-game management, along with Caleb himself holding the ball too long, undid what was a solid off-season roster build.
The Bears are closer to being a playoff team than most think. Don’t be surprised with 9 or 10 wins next year.
 
I only watched a couple Chicago games this year, and I saw Caleb running for his life nearly every pass play. Get him a real o-line and then I think we can more fairly judge him.
After we re-rank them next offseason, Caleb jumps to #2. The Bears brain trust was clueless this year in terms of playcalling and schemes- an abundance of slow developing pass plays with a battered o-line. Ben Johnson will fix that.

The Bears built a solid surrounding cast- Keenan, Swift, Odunze, but the play calls, in-game management, along with Caleb himself holding the ball too long, undid what was a solid off-season roster build.

Current FantasyPros 2025 consensus ADP for 12 man redraft:



Jayden Daniels – QB3 / 3rd/4th round. Seems rich, would definitely feel much safer taking Hurts as QB4 a couple picks later, and probably Burrow at QB5 a full round later. No risk it, no biscuit I guess though.

Bo Nix – QB13 / 8th round. Seems about right, I could see him getting into the Top 8 if things break well for him but more than that, not really. If this guy ends up as my QB1 then I'll basically be needing to see Brock Purdy 2023 season efficiency numbers to not make me be keeping a hair trigger on the Waiver Wire for a potential Plan B.

Caleb Williams – QB15 / 9th. Good chance to profit vs. ADP. Ideal QB2 target who can produce reliable QB1 numbers most weeks. If you punt on drafting a QB, then a combo of him and CJ Stroud (ADP of QB17) seems like it would be a really reasonable bet - if the top 4 QBs are gone unless Mahomes or Herbert fall way below ADP that's probably going to become my plan for QB.

Drake Maye – QB20 / 11th. Not touching this guy in a redraft QB1 league; at best I can see him as a match dependent low-end QB1 or bye filler. Will watch his early games in case he seems a WW candidate is about all.

Michael Penix – QB24 / 12th. See above, with even less interest unless he goes absolutely nuclear very early in OTAs/camp.

JJ McCarthy – QB31 / basically free in draft. Interesting at this price, doubt he'll stay this cheap if he flashes whatsoever. Seems like an ideal best ball pick.
 

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