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2025 Buffalo Bills (2 Viewers)

More and more each week I’m being reminded about how stupid it is that I get irritated watching this. It’s stupid that I’ve allowed myself to be manipulated by a professional sports league into being emotionally invested in a corporatized game run by billionaires and played by millionaires. It’s even more embarrassing to see/read the same emotionless platitudes after the same sloppy and pathetic play week after week and realize that I seem to be more emotionally invested in what’s going on than the actual team is.

Maybe eventually that realization will more fully take hold and I can free up my time on weekends and probably be a lot happier as well. Until then, see you all back here next week.
 
Since White was hurt against Miami and then Milano and Jones early the next game, the team has had no energy for most of the last three games, and they should have gone 0-3.

McDermott looks like he has lost this team.
 
Offense looks dreadful 3 weeks in a row until Allen goes into hero mode. Maybe stop taking your dynamic RB off the field for an old man. I dunno. Just saying
 
Mr. Peterson said:
Can anyone explain why the refs didn’t call that ineligible man downfield? My child decided to throw a fuss at that moment.
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Not sure. I just re-watched it. No explanation.

I can't recall the rule on that these days. The ball was caught behind the LOS. I'm pretty sure you used to be able to go down field on screens like that. I don't think that's the case anymore, though.

So, I'm guessing, based on Charles Davis' comments that it depends where the lineman are when the ball is released. The OL was definitely about 2 yards down field at that point. I'm pretty sure they get 1-2 yards of wiggle room in those situations. (Thanks NFL for adding more ambiguity/subjectivity in that regard.)

So, they probably reconsidered and determined the OL wasn't far enough down field.
 
This is not Bills-related because we have benefited from some terrible calls recently (e.g. last play of the Giants game), but my enthusiasm for the NFL has taken a bit of a hit recently from the state of officiating across the league. I know this is paranoid-conspiracy-theory territory, but I'm honestly not sure at all that some officials are not compromised. The charitable explanation is that many of them are incompetent and the league doesn't care or is powerless by contract to protect the quality of their product. But at some point you have to consider outright corruption, which could absolutely happen.
 
Grigs Allmoon said:
Mr. Peterson said:
Can anyone explain why the refs didn’t call that ineligible man downfield? My child decided to throw a fuss at that moment.
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Not sure. I just re-watched it. No explanation.

I can't recall the rule on that these days. The ball was caught behind the LOS. I'm pretty sure you used to be able to go down field on screens like that. I don't think that's the case anymore, though.

So, I'm guessing, based on Charles Davis' comments that it depends where the lineman are when the ball is released. The OL was definitely about 2 yards down field at that point. I'm pretty sure they get 1-2 yards of wiggle room in those situations. (Thanks NFL for adding more ambiguity/subjectivity in that regard.)

So, they probably reconsidered and determined the OL wasn't far enough down field.
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I just saw a replay. The center is at least 4 yards down field when the pass is thrown. I know the lineman is allowed to go downfield if he is engaging somebody (i.e. he can push you all over the field if he wants) but he doesn't touch anybody until well after the ball is caught. So unless there's an exception to being down field when the throw is behind the LOS it's a pretty flagrant foul. And it did affect the play - 43 got blocked and eventually made the tackle down field but would have had a much better chance at a stop if not blocked. Still would have been a positive play but not the big gainer it was.

 
themeistersinger said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Mr. Peterson said:
Can anyone explain why the refs didn’t call that ineligible man downfield? My child decided to throw a fuss at that moment.
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Not sure. I just re-watched it. No explanation.

I can't recall the rule on that these days. The ball was caught behind the LOS. I'm pretty sure you used to be able to go down field on screens like that. I don't think that's the case anymore, though.

So, I'm guessing, based on Charles Davis' comments that it depends where the lineman are when the ball is released. The OL was definitely about 2 yards down field at that point. I'm pretty sure they get 1-2 yards of wiggle room in those situations. (Thanks NFL for adding more ambiguity/subjectivity in that regard.)

So, they probably reconsidered and determined the OL wasn't far enough down field.
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I just saw a replay. The center is at least 4 yards down field when the pass is thrown. I know the lineman is allowed to go downfield if he is engaging somebody (i.e. he can push you all over the field if he wants) but he doesn't touch anybody until well after the ball is caught. So unless there's an exception to being down field when the throw is behind the LOS it's a pretty flagrant foul. And it did affect the play - 43 got blocked and eventually made the tackle down field but would have had a much better chance at a stop if not blocked. Still would have been a positive play but not the big gainer it was.

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The rule simply states that the pass be a forward pass. Whether or not it is beyond or behind the line of scrimmage is irrelevant.

It’s frustrating that they picked up the flag, especially with no explanation, but the offense was toothless most of the night, they allowed a team that averages 12 points per game score 29 on them, and they let Mac Jones drive the length of the field and score a game winning TD. The refs were the least of their problems.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
I think this team's window already closed and I didn't realize it until now. Still a good team, but they don't look like a contender anymore.
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I think this sums it up completely, the ship has sailed. I'm not overly impressed with sean mcdermott, his team thrived under daboll's offense, now they struggle for identity. defensively, apparently McD's wheelhouse, they're a shell of their former selves. This is a .500 team at best, and outsider looking in on the playoffs IMO.
 
While everyone has their arms in the air yelling that the sky is falling, because the Bills have looked average lately, here are some interesting stats/facts.

The Bills are currently second in the NFL in point differential. (It's not at all inconceivable that they end up back at #1 after this week.)
They still control their own destiny in terms of winning the division.
They are #5 in overall offense (by YPG.)
They are #2 in Sacks
They are just above average in overall defense (given the injuries I don't think anyone could ask for any better than that.)

Bonus - Not necessarily related to this season:
Sean McDermott still has the highest win percentage amongst all Bills' coaches ever. (Those calling for his firing are way off base, IMO.)


That said, I still want Dorsey replaced. Despite the numbers above, I think it's clear this offense is severely underachieving, given the talent.
 
Grigs Allmoon said:
While everyone has their arms in the air yelling that the sky is falling, because the Bills have looked average lately, here are some interesting stats/facts.
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if you are fan who only watches their team for the most part, you are in a state of distress about your team. Every fan thinks their team sucks right now, a few exceptions.
 
massraider said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
While everyone has their arms in the air yelling that the sky is falling, because the Bills have looked average lately, here are some interesting stats/facts.
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if you are fan who only watches their team for the most part, you are in a state of distress about your team. Every fan thinks their team sucks right now, a few exceptions.
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I totally agree. So many folks are saying the Bills have been a disaster the last few weeks. The truth is, they've still been average, or slightly better - it just hasn't measured up to their high-points over the past three years. (Also, I still want Dorsey replaced. Have to mention that, as always.)
 
Mr. Peterson said:
If our offense struggles again tonight Diggs is gonna lose his mind.
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I think I mentioned it last year, but I still think Diggs' outburst last year was all about Dorsey. His frustration was directed at Allen, but anyone who follows the team knows those two are besties. My theory is that it was more:

"C'mon Josh, audible out of that crap."
or
"C'mon Josh, tell him that play sucks."
or
"C'mon Josh, tell him we need to run more of..."
 
Listening to the pregame on WGR...

Chris Brown: I noticed Von didn't have his helmet when coming out of the tunnel at the start of the game. I didn't notice if the same was true after halftime. I was busy with other things.
Eric Wood: It would be nice if your color-guy would have helped you out there.

:lmao:
 
Last week:

-Bills offense looked lethargic and terrible for most of the game and then turn it on at the end to score 25 points and lose. Everyone agrees the offense was terrible and needs to do better to win

This week:

-Offense comes out great and scores 17 points in the first half then falls completely apart and scores just 7 points in the second half as turnovers, overly conservative calls/decisions are made, and poor execution occurs. Bills score 24 points, 1 less than last week, and win as everyone holds their breath on a Hail Mary that frankly should have been a TD. Everyone talks about how much better the offense was this week than last week.

:oldunsure:
 
“According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, Buffalo Bills cornerback Kaiir Elam and New England Patriots pass-rusher Josh Uche both have some potential suitors leading up to the deadline.”

Dude is terrible. What are we going to get? A late round swap?
 
I don’t see any scenario in which this team beats the Bengals. The emotional tie is only going to hurt them not help them. Cincy used their anger at how that situation played out to fuel a fast start in the playoff matchup and will probably do the same thing next week.
 
The Duff Man said:
I don’t understand what they are doing…
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They’re doing exactly what McDermott wants them to do. He doesn’t want a modern throw the ball 50 times and use a back like Ekeler/Kamara offense. He wants a pound the ball, play strong defense, and throw the ball when you have to in order to succeed team. I’m absolutely convinced of this.

It’s absurd. Open up the offense all the way. Mimic what KC does. Make Kincaid a matchup nightmare TE like Kelce who can both stretch the field and eat up the middle. Use Cook for game breaking runs and as a weapon in the passing game. Unleash Josh to run when he needs to in order to stress defenses and keep them honest. Score score score and let your defense tee off on an opponent forced to be one dimensional.

In short yardage let Cook get small and find gaps or be a threat sneaking out of the backfield. And if it’s not Cook, Josh should always be just about automatic on very short yardage situations. Why they continue to think that they need a big bruising RB is beyond me. It’s antiquated thinking.
 
GroveDiesel said:
The Duff Man said:
I don’t understand what they are doing…
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They’re doing exactly what McDermott wants them to do. He doesn’t want a modern throw the ball 50 times and use a back like Ekeler/Kamara offense. He wants a pound the ball, play strong defense, and throw the ball when you have to in order to succeed team. I’m absolutely convinced of this.

It’s absurd. Open up the offense all the way. Mimic what KC does. Make Kincaid a matchup nightmare TE like Kelce who can both stretch the field and eat up the middle. Use Cook for game breaking runs and as a weapon in the passing game. Unleash Josh to run when he needs to in order to stress defenses and keep them honest. Score score score and let your defense tee off on an opponent forced to be one dimensional.

In short yardage let Cook get small and find gaps or be a threat sneaking out of the backfield. And if it’s not Cook, Josh should always be just about automatic on very short yardage situations. Why they continue to think that they need a big bruising RB is beyond me. It’s antiquated thinking.
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Haven't you been reading other threads? The Bills will never win as a passing team. They need to become run-first.
 
GroveDiesel said:
Why they continue to think that they need a big bruising RB is beyond me. It’s antiquated thinking.
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I don't mind trying to find one for less-than-critical short yardage situations, but I do wish they'd use Allen more often as their critical short yardage runner. So many 3rd and 1's they've had where they try to get cute and end up punting on 4th.

#firedorsey
 
Cincinnati seems to be ramping up emotionally for this game. Thinking more and more of putting the house on the Bengals to cover.

Wish more Bills players had Diggs attitude 😕
 
Very disheartening to go from such a fun energetic team to one that is hard to watch.

They are just not smart on basic stuff.

The offense needs to be based on a quick tempo short passing game. You know…..the exact same style that KC and the Pats have used to dominate the NFL for the last 25 years. Have the Bills even thrown a slant the last 5 games?

I have to give McDermott props on getting the most out of his defence, they bring in late round guys who perform very well. But the time out usage is unacceptable, risking a time out to try to get that 7 yard gain in the 4th is a mistake I expect from a high school coach.

I think they put way too much faith in guys they like. Case in point: Josh Norman back again. Last year it was two WRs off the couch. And that extends to OC. Dorsey is not an NFL capable OC, or at least he can’t get Josh to do the right thing, and thus he needs to go.
 
I was trying to think of who might be able to fill in for Dorsey, and wondering if a lack of a replacement might save his job.

Joe Brady has a couple years of experience with Carolina. They weren't the most productive offense, but maybe with much more talent he could do a good job.
 
That ticking noise you hear is Diggs getting ready to blow up.....he is still getting his for the most part but this offense looks horrible. If Dorsey was on the side lines during the games I'm sure this would have happened by now. BTW, did they fire the guy who thought it was a good idea to challenge that catch late in the 4th last night?
 
themeistersinger said:
IvanKaramazov said:
Has Ken Dorsey been fired yet?
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I don't think firing him mid season will help, and will probably hurt. But unless things get a lot better for a decent stretch he should be fired at the end of the season.
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I'm honestly not convinced that our offense would be hurt by making a mid-season switch. Our current trajectory has us missing the playoffs, so what's the actual downside here?
 
Bills offense has no right being as boring and stale as it has looked this year. Gotta do something IMO as the window is closing for them with MIA and NYJ looking to be future contenders in the AFC East. The Bills had their couple years where the Pats faded post Brady and Miami and Jets still stank. Not so much anymore.
 
Grigs Allmoon said:
Joe Brady has a couple years of experience with Carolina. They weren't the most productive offense, but maybe with much more talent he could do a good job.
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Definitely this. I'm a little biased but he was highly sought after in the offseason and you have to like the talent involved vs. what he had to work with in Carolina.
 
Ok, hear me out. It’s widely believed that this may be Bill Belichick’s last year in NE.

Bills fans: would you get rid of Sean McDermott for Bill Belichick…
 
McDermott is an idiot and extremely overrated. He’s more interested in teaching players a lesson for fumbling rather than having your best players on the field. Somebody mentioned Belichik. The guy that made the “doghouse for fumbling” fashionable who’s also shown he’s a nobody without the GOAT at QB.
 
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