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2025 College Football Thread: Lane Kiffin suddenly feels compelled to read morals clause of contract (9 Viewers)


Now it’s the ACC’s fault ND can’t beat anyone good. I hope they announce they are end ACC deal. And I hope the ACC removes them immediately from all sports. NBC can fund their lacrosse team.
I love the comedy of this from someone with Georgia Tech in his avatar... a team that can't even beat a decent team (Pitt), let alone anyone good. Beating Boise St was a stronger win that Georgia Tech's "strongest" win of the "ACC Champion" Duke team. And you are delusional if you think that ND needs the ACC more than the falling apart ACC needs ND. After this year Clemson, Florida St and Miami must be kicking themselves for coming to a settlement with the ACC after watching this "conference" devolve into a collection of Group of 5 teams like Georgia Tech trying to act like they can be a serious Power 4 Conference. The Pac12 destroyed itself and the ACC is well on that path too... soon it will be the Power 3. Let's just make it official.... take the SEC, Big Ten and Big 12.... make them the big three super conferences. Move the real teams to them and relegate also ran nothing programs like Georgia Tech to the FCS. Let the big dogs play with other big dogs so we don't have to hear the yapping of lap dogs.
 
All these teams declining a bowl invite is funny.

I don’t get it and don’t agree with it. There’s lots of seniors who have worked their *** off for 4+ years who, IMO, deserve one last bowl game to enjoy and play in. Not all of these guys will play in the pros. For those that will and want to not risk injury, then absolutely do what’s best. Also, young kids can always stand to get more reps and playing time in a real game even if it’s somewhat like an exhibition.

It seems hypocritical for the Notre Dame AD to bemoan "an absolute sense of sadness for our student-athletes" with the playoff snub but then decline a bowl game.
That makes no sense. If the bowl game doesn't beget a chance at the title, it's an exhibition. If the kids feel risk is greater than reward and doesn't lead to a title, those aren't the same thing.

It'd be hypocritical if participating in the bowl directly led to them having a chance to win an AP/Coaches' poll title, but they don't in the playoff format.
 
All these teams declining a bowl invite is funny.

I don’t get it and don’t agree with it. There’s lots of seniors who have worked their *** off for 4+ years who, IMO, deserve one last bowl game to enjoy and play in. Not all of these guys will play in the pros. For those that will and want to not risk injury, then absolutely do what’s best. Also, young kids can always stand to get more reps and playing time in a real game even if it’s somewhat like an exhibition.

It seems hypocritical for the Notre Dame AD to bemoan "an absolute sense of sadness for our student-athletes" with the playoff snub but then decline a bowl game.
That makes no sense. If the bowl game doesn't beget a chance at the title, it's an exhibition. If the kids feel risk is greater than reward and doesn't lead to a title, those aren't the same thing.

It'd be hypocritical if participating in the bowl directly led to them having a chance to win an AP/Coaches' poll title, but they don't in the playoff format.
So all players should quit as soon as they lose their 3rd game because those games won't lead to a title and are exhibitions?
 
All these teams declining a bowl invite is funny.

I don’t get it and don’t agree with it. There’s lots of seniors who have worked their *** off for 4+ years who, IMO, deserve one last bowl game to enjoy and play in. Not all of these guys will play in the pros. For those that will and want to not risk injury, then absolutely do what’s best. Also, young kids can always stand to get more reps and playing time in a real game even if it’s somewhat like an exhibition.

It seems hypocritical for the Notre Dame AD to bemoan "an absolute sense of sadness for our student-athletes" with the playoff snub but then decline a bowl game.
That makes no sense. If the bowl game doesn't beget a chance at the title, it's an exhibition. If the kids feel risk is greater than reward and doesn't lead to a title, those aren't the same thing.

It'd be hypocritical if participating in the bowl directly led to them having a chance to win an AP/Coaches' poll title, but they don't in the playoff format.
All these teams declining a bowl invite is funny.

I don’t get it and don’t agree with it. There’s lots of seniors who have worked their *** off for 4+ years who, IMO, deserve one last bowl game to enjoy and play in. Not all of these guys will play in the pros. For those that will and want to not risk injury, then absolutely do what’s best. Also, young kids can always stand to get more reps and playing time in a real game even if it’s somewhat like an exhibition.

It seems hypocritical for the Notre Dame AD to bemoan "an absolute sense of sadness for our student-athletes" with the playoff snub but then decline a bowl game.
Beyond 15 extra practices and what? $3 million payout.... what benefit of playing is there for ND (Team and players). My feel from listening to ND shows is that players were on board and the decision was made with consultation of the captains on the team. Guys like Love and Price wouldn't play as they get ready for the NFL. I have zero interest in putting Carr and other top talent returning players at risk.

ND is taking a stand. Like it or not and of course there are plenty of haters that will automatically not like it. A BYU vs ND game would have higher ratings than either Tulane or JMU beat downs. Who benefits from that? Not ND or the players.
 
Not surprising news... QB Minchey will enter the portal. Someone is going to get a damn good QB upgrade. Hoping the best for him wherever he goes.
It's probably already been said, but the portal is another big reason teams and players will opt out of bowl games. I'm expecting some bigger names in bowl games to sit due to the possibility of a transfer.
 
Not surprising news... QB Minchey will enter the portal. Someone is going to get a damn good QB upgrade. Hoping the best for him wherever he goes.
It's probably already been said, but the portal is another big reason teams and players will opt out of bowl games. I'm expecting some bigger names in bowl games to sit due to the possibility of a transfer.
The Bowl Games were on life support as was with portal and basically not being relevant. Plus, they got out of hand... no one wants to watch Georgia Tech play San Jose St for the Tim's Port-a-Poty Bowl on a Tuesday at 11am.

ND saying no thanks might just be the death kneel of it and further pushes for real changes to be made. Everyone knows that everything about this is flawed. Anyone with a brain should be thankful to ND to pushing this further down the six feet deep to force the powers that be to make a comprehensive change versus keep throwing band aids over gushing grave wounds.
 

Now it’s the ACC’s fault ND can’t beat anyone good. I hope they announce they are ending ACC deal. And I hope the ACC removes them immediately from all sports. NBC can fund their lacrosse team.
For a program that doesn't need a conference they sure expect stuff out of the conferences they don't need.
Yea. Full support is reserved for full members.
 
The ratings are going to suck because the CFB Playoff games will be going head to head with the NFL. The NFL always wins.
The only game during the college football playoff that goes up against the NFL is James Madison / Oregon. Part of Ole Miss / Tulane (3:30) is the same time as Philly / Washington (5), but if the college game is close the average viewer won't be changing channels.
The chances of Oregon being arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane is higher than Tulane keeping it close.
I am very confident Oregon won't be arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane. Cause they play Ole Miss. I am curious how the coaching changes impact both teams, but have no expectations the game will be competitive*

*I have also not watched a second of Tulane football this year
 
All these teams declining a bowl invite is funny.

I don’t get it and don’t agree with it. There’s lots of seniors who have worked their *** off for 4+ years who, IMO, deserve one last bowl game to enjoy and play in. Not all of these guys will play in the pros. For those that will and want to not risk injury, then absolutely do what’s best. Also, young kids can always stand to get more reps and playing time in a real game even if it’s somewhat like an exhibition.
Welcome to the NIL Era. We're still in the transition stages (current Sr's were underclassmen before NIL), but soon enough entire locker rooms will be comprised of those in NIL. The seniors will be fine with not playing a bowl game because they bypassed it in the 3-5 years prior when they didn't want to play in a bowl game, risk injury, and potentially mess with their earnings power the following year.
 
Not surprising news... QB Minchey will enter the portal. Someone is going to get a damn good QB upgrade. Hoping the best for him wherever he goes.
It's probably already been said, but the portal is another big reason teams and players will opt out of bowl games. I'm expecting some bigger names in bowl games to sit due to the possibility of a transfer.
The Bowl Games were on life support as was with portal and basically not being relevant. Plus, they got out of hand... no one wants to watch Georgia Tech play San Jose St for the Tim's Port-a-Poty Bowl on a Tuesday at 11am.

ND saying no thanks might just be the death kneel of it and further pushes for real changes to be made. Everyone knows that everything about this is flawed. Anyone with a brain should be thankful to ND to pushing this further down the six feet deep to force the powers that be to make a comprehensive change versus keep throwing band aids over gushing grave wounds.
I looked at the bowl lineup and saw about 3 games I'd go out of my way to watch.

Penn st vs Clemson in the underachiever bowl
Texas vs Michigan
Iowa vs Vandy

I think the average teams will still jump at going to any bowl. Its a fun final game game for the players, but totally agree that they aren't very exciting to watch.
 
The ratings are going to suck because the CFB Playoff games will be going head to head with the NFL. The NFL always wins.
The only game during the college football playoff that goes up against the NFL is James Madison / Oregon. Part of Ole Miss / Tulane (3:30) is the same time as Philly / Washington (5), but if the college game is close the average viewer won't be changing channels.
The chances of Oregon being arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane is higher than Tulane keeping it close.
I am very confident Oregon won't be arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane. Cause they play Ole Miss. I am curious how the coaching changes impact both teams, but have no expectations the game will be competitive*

*I have also not watched a second of Tulane football this year
Hard to keep track of which bye week Oregon and Ole Miss get.
 
The ratings are going to suck because the CFB Playoff games will be going head to head with the NFL. The NFL always wins.
The only game during the college football playoff that goes up against the NFL is James Madison / Oregon. Part of Ole Miss / Tulane (3:30) is the same time as Philly / Washington (5), but if the college game is close the average viewer won't be changing channels.
The chances of Oregon being arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane is higher than Tulane keeping it close.
I am very confident Oregon won't be arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane. Cause they play Ole Miss. I am curious how the coaching changes impact both teams, but have no expectations the game will be competitive*

*I have also not watched a second of Tulane football this year
Spread is only 16.5 for Tulane v Ole Miss. 2nd largest spread of all bowl games. JMU vs Oregon is 20.5
 
The ratings are going to suck because the CFB Playoff games will be going head to head with the NFL. The NFL always wins.
The only game during the college football playoff that goes up against the NFL is James Madison / Oregon. Part of Ole Miss / Tulane (3:30) is the same time as Philly / Washington (5), but if the college game is close the average viewer won't be changing channels.
The chances of Oregon being arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane is higher than Tulane keeping it close.
I am very confident Oregon won't be arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane. Cause they play Ole Miss. I am curious how the coaching changes impact both teams, but have no expectations the game will be competitive*

*I have also not watched a second of Tulane football this year
Hard to keep track of which bye week Oregon and Ole Miss get.
I can at least squint and see how Tulane could make this uncomfortable for Ole Miss. Again, having no idea about anything Tulane. I got nothin' on James Madison though. They gonna run for 200 on this D?
 
The ratings are going to suck because the CFB Playoff games will be going head to head with the NFL. The NFL always wins.
The only game during the college football playoff that goes up against the NFL is James Madison / Oregon. Part of Ole Miss / Tulane (3:30) is the same time as Philly / Washington (5), but if the college game is close the average viewer won't be changing channels.
The chances of Oregon being arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane is higher than Tulane keeping it close.
I am very confident Oregon won't be arrested for beating the crap out of Tulane. Cause they play Ole Miss. I am curious how the coaching changes impact both teams, but have no expectations the game will be competitive*

*I have also not watched a second of Tulane football this year
Hard to keep track of which bye week Oregon and Ole Miss get.
I can at least squint and see how Tulane could make this uncomfortable for Ole Miss. Again, having no idea about anything Tulane. I got nothin' on James Madison though. They gonna run for 200 on this D?
The biggest unknown factor on 45-10 rematch that no one wanted for Ole Miss and Tulane is Ole Miss's coaching losses.

Oregon is going to slaughter JMU.
 
I didn't know ole miss played Tulane already. Why two rematches?
They literally list out that they won’t consider rematches on their site like it’s a point of pride. They are so far disconnected from what the fans want in my opinion. I cannot believe they are running back Bama and OU. Let them play teams from different conferences so we can learn something.
 
We need a college football Council of Trent for sure. The fans have never had a voice in this, and now that’s it’s basically pro-lite they need to consider the quality of the product in ways that they’ve never done. Get a commish in place or something.

We need to extricate ourselves from this most recent round of conference realignment and get back to something regional that makes sense. But that feels almost impossible now. Maybe if/when the bottom falls out of the tv contracts we can get some substantial change. I kinda feel like we’re stuck with this version we’ve got now and they’ll just make small tweaks that are driven by the SEC and Big 10.
 
I caught a little of Yurachek on the radio last night while out running errands. I’m sure he’s really smart and all that but he is a very poor public speaker and comes off way too meek. I wouldn’t let him pick where to eat dinner. He was a horrible choice to be the spokesperson.
 
Notre Dame acting like entitled cry babies? Shocking I tell ya. Been saying for yrs ND needs to join a conference and should be punished in ranking every year they aren’t. This is up to par on their behavior when they don’t get their way.
 
Now look me in the eye and say that joining the ACC and adding 2 more ACC games would make their SOS better without laughing.

Our five contractual ACC games plus one: UNC, Miami, BC, SMU, Syracuse, and Stanford. 4 B1G teams Wisconsin, Michigan St, Purdue, and USC. Rice (AAC, better than a FCS team) and Navy which has been a respectable team the last couple of years but that game will never go away no matter what ND does as independent or conference or what.

So.... it is an ACC and B1G schedule but "join a conference!" uh... ok. Who is going to tell me that if ND dropped two B1G games in this schedule and added two more ACC games that the whiners/haters would be silent about the schedule?

But in NIL and portal era, it is pretty early to make statements like 'embarrassing' schedule and kind of hints towards a bias in writing the article. And that is important point on top of the fact that these teams can change quickly, there is no way to know that a team like Wisconsin which usually fields a strong team is going to suck a few years down the road when these things are scheduled let alone next year when you have transfer portals that can gut or build a team over night.

We have been scheduling some home and home series and targeting SEC teams like Texas and Auburn (hopefully they get stronger come time to play them).
 
It’s not surprising in multiple ways. ND having players enter the portal with the season done plus losing key guys to sit out for the combine is surprising to some as to why they’d not go to a bowl game?

Be honest. If ND-lite showed up at a bowl game with their backups and lost, how many people would run to social media, “See?!? The committee rightly left them out.” I’ll miss the practices for the young kids, but it isn’t Freeman and Bevacqua telling them no. The team said let’s move on because transfers and NFL opt outs have already started.
 
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Notre Dame acting like entitled cry babies? Shocking I tell ya. Been saying for yrs ND needs to join a conference and should be punished in ranking every year they aren’t. This is up to par on their behavior when they don’t get their way.
See my response to big bottom and tell me.... how does dropping two B1G teams and adding two more ACC games make a difference to you?
 

Edit: And USC - ND next year is not a done deal. Word on the street is that USC will agree to play Notre Dame if it’s early in the season. If an agreement isn’t reached, an 11-1 record against this cupcake schedule with only three away games (at UNC, Syracuse and Purdue) is pretty much a guarantee, no?

Notre Dame needs to make whatever concessions they need to in order to keep USC on the schedule. I can’t imagine where this strength of schedule ranking will land without USC.
 
Let's say FSU should have been in and royally got screwed as the given for this argument (and bringing that up...did that committee now say that that was wrong and they will no longer project a team based on 'not being the same team'? Because if not, how does Ole Miss get in when they are absolutely not the same team with half of their coaching staff, including HC, gone?), I am not sure how that matters for whether or not ND should be in. I mean, the argument I am hearing from you is, well- they screwed another team more before so it is ok this time, which doesn't make sense to me.
I was bringing up FSU in the same manner that @FreeBaGeL mentioned them. Pretty much saying the same thing he is, although he is more talking about his own indifference about the 10th-12th teams, and I was more thinking about the overall college fan base. Getting it right on the 4th team in feels a lot more important than getting the 12th team.
The ratings will be very poor for the Tulane vs Ole Miss and JMU vs Oregon games. I mean, who outside of JMU and Oregon fans have any interest in watching that? The only interest I have on it is "Ok, let me see what is on tv.... nothing... well, I guess JMU vs Oregon is on.... I will put it on as I go argue on footballguys about things we have no control over".

Yeah, maybe. We'll see about all that. The ratings will be bad--compared to what? Other college football playoff games? Better or worse than your average bowl game?

There's a ton of moving parts right now in college football, so I am keeping an open mind about these terrible matchups no one wants to watch. All it takes is one upset, one Cinderalla story. This is a brand new thing we have here, I am skeptical of anyone telling me how it's all gonna play out.
Two of these game are the games GM spends 100 posts a year bashing sec teams for scheduling.

I don't think I've ever bashed Tulane once and have said many positive things about their former coach. And I haven't bashed James Madison since I did a book report on Alexander Hamilton in 11th grade. :shrug:
 
Now look me in the eye and say that joining the ACC and adding 2 more ACC games would make their SOS better without laughing.

Our five contractual ACC games plus one: UNC, Miami, BC, SMU, Syracuse, and Stanford. 4 B1G teams Wisconsin, Michigan St, Purdue, and USC. Rice (AAC, better than a FCS team) and Navy which has been a respectable team the last couple of years but that game will never go away no matter what ND does as independent or conference or what.

So.... it is an ACC and B1G schedule but "join a conference!" uh... ok. Who is going to tell me that if ND dropped two B1G games in this schedule and added two more ACC games that the whiners/haters would be silent about the schedule?

But in NIL and portal era, it is pretty early to make statements like 'embarrassing' schedule and kind of hints towards a bias in writing the article. And that is important point on top of the fact that these teams can change quickly, there is no way to know that a team like Wisconsin which usually fields a strong team is going to suck a few years down the road when these things are scheduled let alone next year when you have transfer portals that can gut or build a team over night.

We have been scheduling some home and home series and targeting SEC teams like Texas and Auburn (hopefully they get stronger come time to play them).

That schedule is embarrassing. Full stop. ND needs to join the Big 10. Make it happen.
 
And I literally told everyone that the ACC divorce was coming with their behavior. There’s a difference in advocacy and taking shots and there is a contractual relationship with football along with most other sports.

I agreed earlier this week with Capella about full members getting the stronger push, but going after them was raising fever pitch like I suggested. I think the relationship has run its course for both sides and curious where they go from here.

I’ve said I get why they’d appreciate independence and that it is not solely financial as some suggest. But I’m not as opposed as others to just joining the B1G. Our traditional rivals are there. My guess is next move is whether they can get an ACC-like deal from the B1G maybe with more revenue share but schedule flexibility. Push might come to shove for full membership or that might be when ND tries to force the super conference. We’ll see
 
It’s not surprising in multiple ways. ND having players enter the portal with the season done plus losing key guys to sit out for the combine is surprising to some as to why they’d not go to a bowl game?

Be honest. If ND-lite showed up at a bowl game with their backups and lost, how many people would run to social media, “See?!? The committee rightly left them out.” I’ll miss the practices for the young kids, but it isn’t Freeman and Bevaqua telling them no. The team said let’s move on because transfers and NFL opt outs have already started.

:shrug: This is the same for pretty much everyone.
 
We need a college football Council of Trent for sure. The fans have never had a voice in this, and now that’s it’s basically pro-lite they need to consider the quality of the product in ways that they’ve never done. Get a commish in place or something.

We need to extricate ourselves from this most recent round of conference realignment and get back to something regional that makes sense. But that feels almost impossible now. Maybe if/when the bottom falls out of the tv contracts we can get some substantial change. I kinda feel like we’re stuck with this version we’ve got now and they’ll just make small tweaks that are driven by the SEC and Big 10.
Super Conference of somewhere in the range of 80ish schools with divisions on geography like the NFL (West, East, North, South). Limit the ridiculous travel that some of these schools are doing.... teams on the west coast shouldn't have to travel to play midwest games every other week all season long. Scheduling taken out of the schools hands largely but taken in historic rivalries and special games like ND/Navy. Maximize profits by not scheduling the best 10 games all on the same day/time. Playoffs coming out of that. I think that might be the only way to fix this all and it would support the other sports that are getting killed with this ridiculous realingment that has happened.
 
Now look me in the eye and say that joining the ACC and adding 2 more ACC games would make their SOS better without laughing.

Our five contractual ACC games plus one: UNC, Miami, BC, SMU, Syracuse, and Stanford. 4 B1G teams Wisconsin, Michigan St, Purdue, and USC. Rice (AAC, better than a FCS team) and Navy which has been a respectable team the last couple of years but that game will never go away no matter what ND does as independent or conference or what.

So.... it is an ACC and B1G schedule but "join a conference!" uh... ok. Who is going to tell me that if ND dropped two B1G games in this schedule and added two more ACC games that the whiners/haters would be silent about the schedule?

But in NIL and portal era, it is pretty early to make statements like 'embarrassing' schedule and kind of hints towards a bias in writing the article. And that is important point on top of the fact that these teams can change quickly, there is no way to know that a team like Wisconsin which usually fields a strong team is going to suck a few years down the road when these things are scheduled let alone next year when you have transfer portals that can gut or build a team over night.

We have been scheduling some home and home series and targeting SEC teams like Texas and Auburn (hopefully they get stronger come time to play them).

That schedule is embarrassing. Full stop. ND needs to join the Big 10. Make it happen.
The conferences need to be blown up. Full stop. Then ND would join a super conference. Make it happen.
 
And I literally told everyone that the ACC divorce was coming with their behavior. There’s a difference in advocacy and taking shots and there is a contractual relationship with football along with most other sports.

I agreed earlier this week with Capella about full members getting the stronger push, but going after them was raising fever pitch like I suggested. I think the relationship has run its course for both sides and curious where they go from here.

I’ve said I get why they’d appreciate independence and that it is not solely financial as some suggest. But I’m not as opposed as others to just joining the B1G. Our traditional rivals are there. My guess is next move is whether they can get an ACC-like deal from the B1G maybe with more revenue share but schedule flexibility. Push might come to shove for full membership or that might be when ND tries to force the super conference. We’ll see
The ACC is following PAC12 into being demolished and at this point, I am all for it because it will push real changes being made in college football. I love how everyone agrees that the current 'system' is absolutely broken and then everyone saying ND needs to join the same absolutely broken system like us! No thank you. Let's really fix this crap and then we will talk about joining it.
 
Now look me in the eye and say that joining the ACC and adding 2 more ACC games would make their SOS better without laughing.

Our five contractual ACC games plus one: UNC, Miami, BC, SMU, Syracuse, and Stanford. 4 B1G teams Wisconsin, Michigan St, Purdue, and USC. Rice (AAC, better than a FCS team) and Navy which has been a respectable team the last couple of years but that game will never go away no matter what ND does as independent or conference or what.

So.... it is an ACC and B1G schedule but "join a conference!" uh... ok. Who is going to tell me that if ND dropped two B1G games in this schedule and added two more ACC games that the whiners/haters would be silent about the schedule?

But in NIL and portal era, it is pretty early to make statements like 'embarrassing' schedule and kind of hints towards a bias in writing the article. And that is important point on top of the fact that these teams can change quickly, there is no way to know that a team like Wisconsin which usually fields a strong team is going to suck a few years down the road when these things are scheduled let alone next year when you have transfer portals that can gut or build a team over night.

We have been scheduling some home and home series and targeting SEC teams like Texas and Auburn (hopefully they get stronger come time to play them).

That schedule is embarrassing. Full stop. ND needs to join the Big 10. Make it happen.
Some of the big 10 schedules are embarrassingly bad as well.
 
And I literally told everyone that the ACC divorce was coming with their behavior. There’s a difference in advocacy and taking shots and there is a contractual relationship with football along with most other sports.

I agreed earlier this week with Capella about full members getting the stronger push, but going after them was raising fever pitch like I suggested. I think the relationship has run its course for both sides and curious where they go from here.

I’ve said I get why they’d appreciate independence and that it is not solely financial as some suggest. But I’m not as opposed as others to just joining the B1G. Our traditional rivals are there. My guess is next move is whether they can get an ACC-like deal from the B1G maybe with more revenue share but schedule flexibility. Push might come to shove for full membership or that might be when ND tries to force the super conference. We’ll see
I'm sure the Big Ten is waiting with open arms to have a scheduling agreement with ND to take their playoff spots or make it more difficult for their teams to get the necessary 10 wins only to throw a tantrum when they don't get their way. Good luck.
 
Now look me in the eye and say that joining the ACC and adding 2 more ACC games would make their SOS better without laughing.

Our five contractual ACC games plus one: UNC, Miami, BC, SMU, Syracuse, and Stanford. 4 B1G teams Wisconsin, Michigan St, Purdue, and USC. Rice (AAC, better than a FCS team) and Navy which has been a respectable team the last couple of years but that game will never go away no matter what ND does as independent or conference or what.

So.... it is an ACC and B1G schedule but "join a conference!" uh... ok. Who is going to tell me that if ND dropped two B1G games in this schedule and added two more ACC games that the whiners/haters would be silent about the schedule?

But in NIL and portal era, it is pretty early to make statements like 'embarrassing' schedule and kind of hints towards a bias in writing the article. And that is important point on top of the fact that these teams can change quickly, there is no way to know that a team like Wisconsin which usually fields a strong team is going to suck a few years down the road when these things are scheduled let alone next year when you have transfer portals that can gut or build a team over night.

We have been scheduling some home and home series and targeting SEC teams like Texas and Auburn (hopefully they get stronger come time to play them).

That schedule is embarrassing. Full stop. ND needs to join the Big 10. Make it happen.
Some of the big 10 schedules are embarrassingly bad as well.

Which ones are even close to as bad as ND’s schedule next year without USC?
 
And I literally told everyone that the ACC divorce was coming with their behavior. There’s a difference in advocacy and taking shots and there is a contractual relationship with football along with most other sports.

I agreed earlier this week with Capella about full members getting the stronger push, but going after them was raising fever pitch like I suggested. I think the relationship has run its course for both sides and curious where they go from here.

I’ve said I get why they’d appreciate independence and that it is not solely financial as some suggest. But I’m not as opposed as others to just joining the B1G. Our traditional rivals are there. My guess is next move is whether they can get an ACC-like deal from the B1G maybe with more revenue share but schedule flexibility. Push might come to shove for full membership or that might be when ND tries to force the super conference. We’ll see
The ACC is following PAC12 into being demolished and at this point, I am all for it because it will push real changes being made in college football. I love how everyone agrees that the current 'system' is absolutely broken and then everyone saying ND needs to join the same absolutely broken system like us! No thank you. Let's really fix this crap and then we will talk about joining it.
Miami says :hi from College Station.

You can demagogue the ACC and their leadership, but they clearly have more juice in the current CFP setup than ND. The conference TV deals (even the ACC's) are worth more to these networks and conferences than standalone ND without a TV deal past this year. That may not have been true in 2010 or even in 2023 when they extended with NBC( and ND will still get their money if the remain independent when that contract is up in '29); but the CFP most definitely doesn't need them to be successful.
 


Edit: And USC - ND next year is not a done deal. Word on the street is that USC will agree to play Notre Dame if it’s early in the season. If an agreement isn’t reached, an 11-1 record against this cupcake schedule with only three away games (at UNC, Syracuse and Purdue) is pretty much a guarantee, no?
I hate it, and most fans do too. I think people aren’t realizing this is where the ACC deal has come in. It mattered to fill in a full schedule, but there weren’t any guarantees to supply quality teams so schedules can get awful, boring, and bring a terrible SOS to the table.

I’m pretty sure Miami is only on there because they canceled the 2024 game (that ND replaced with Army) and thankfully help prop up a dreadful 2026 slate. USC/ND does sound all but done as scheduled for 2 more years btw, so we’ll see there.

But I promise most fans want better than this. These are some of the final remnants of Swarbrick and Kelly. One more reason ND fans complained about Kelly is he advocated for watering the schedule down and still didn’t win anything important.
 
And I literally told everyone that the ACC divorce was coming with their behavior. There’s a difference in advocacy and taking shots and there is a contractual relationship with football along with most other sports.

I agreed earlier this week with Capella about full members getting the stronger push, but going after them was raising fever pitch like I suggested. I think the relationship has run its course for both sides and curious where they go from here.

I’ve said I get why they’d appreciate independence and that it is not solely financial as some suggest. But I’m not as opposed as others to just joining the B1G. Our traditional rivals are there. My guess is next move is whether they can get an ACC-like deal from the B1G maybe with more revenue share but schedule flexibility. Push might come to shove for full membership or that might be when ND tries to force the super conference. We’ll see
I'm sure the Big Ten is waiting with open arms to have a scheduling agreement with ND to take their playoff spots or make it more difficult for their teams to get the necessary 10 wins only to throw a tantrum when they don't get their way. Good luck.
The thing he doesn't understand is that the ACC is much more closer to the PAC12 than it is B1G or SEC. The ACC use to be a real conference with respect but it is devolving into a sad grouping of schools and heading to obscurity. The conference has three schools that can compete year in and out with the big dogs of football and the rest being hope and prayers to being taken seriously. One misstep like PAC12 did with fumbling it's media deal and it is done. The fact that we are talking about the ND schedule next year is because 6 of the games are ACC teams. I guess it is ok if you are in the ACC that you play 8 games of other ACC teams but when you are ND you are expected to play better opponents than the ACC teams that they have.
 


Edit: And USC - ND next year is not a done deal. Word on the street is that USC will agree to play Notre Dame if it’s early in the season. If an agreement isn’t reached, an 11-1 record against this cupcake schedule with only three away games (at UNC, Syracuse and Purdue) is pretty much a guarantee, no?
I hate it, and most fans do too. I think people aren’t realizing this is where the ACC deal has come in. It mattered to fill in a full schedule, but there weren’t any guarantees to supply quality teams so schedules can get awful, boring, and bring a terrible SOS to the table.

I’m pretty sure Miami is only on there because they canceled the 2024 game (that ND replaced with Army) and thankfully help prop up a dreadful 2026 slate. USC/ND does sound all but done as scheduled for 2 more years btw, so we’ll see there.

But I promise most fans want better than this. These are some of the final remnants of Swarbrick and Kelly. One more reason ND fans complained about Kelly is he advocated for watering the schedule down and still didn’t win anything important.

Why did they leave the Big East for non-football sports? Seems like that would be a good fit.
 
At the risk of further inflaming the ND hate, there are two wrinkles to the ACC/ND relationship not discussed here, but could factor in…

* ACC commissioner Jim Phillips is a former ND assistant AD ; so the ACC angst also contains a personal connection there

* ACC/ND have a revenue sharing deal for bowl games - ND keeps Orange Bowl and CFP revenue, otherwise shares for the bowl tie ins

It’s petty, and I really hope the team opted itself out, but the admin agreeing to it could have some ACC spite of “fine by me. Don’t want to share with them doing that either” which’d be dumb and childish.
 
Now look me in the eye and say that joining the ACC and adding 2 more ACC games would make their SOS better without laughing.

Our five contractual ACC games plus one: UNC, Miami, BC, SMU, Syracuse, and Stanford. 4 B1G teams Wisconsin, Michigan St, Purdue, and USC. Rice (AAC, better than a FCS team) and Navy which has been a respectable team the last couple of years but that game will never go away no matter what ND does as independent or conference or what.

So.... it is an ACC and B1G schedule but "join a conference!" uh... ok. Who is going to tell me that if ND dropped two B1G games in this schedule and added two more ACC games that the whiners/haters would be silent about the schedule?

But in NIL and portal era, it is pretty early to make statements like 'embarrassing' schedule and kind of hints towards a bias in writing the article. And that is important point on top of the fact that these teams can change quickly, there is no way to know that a team like Wisconsin which usually fields a strong team is going to suck a few years down the road when these things are scheduled let alone next year when you have transfer portals that can gut or build a team over night.

We have been scheduling some home and home series and targeting SEC teams like Texas and Auburn (hopefully they get stronger come time to play them).

That schedule is embarrassing. Full stop. ND needs to join the Big 10. Make it happen.
Some of the big 10 schedules are embarrassingly bad as well.

Which ones are even close to as bad as ND’s schedule next year without USC?
The two best Teams in Big 10 (country?) had easy schedules this year. Playing powerhouses like Old Dominion, Kennesaw St, Indiana State, Ohio University, Grambling, UCLA, Maryland, Rutgers, Wisconsin, Purdue, Michigan State.
 
Now look me in the eye and say that joining the ACC and adding 2 more ACC games would make their SOS better without laughing.

Our five contractual ACC games plus one: UNC, Miami, BC, SMU, Syracuse, and Stanford. 4 B1G teams Wisconsin, Michigan St, Purdue, and USC. Rice (AAC, better than a FCS team) and Navy which has been a respectable team the last couple of years but that game will never go away no matter what ND does as independent or conference or what.

So.... it is an ACC and B1G schedule but "join a conference!" uh... ok. Who is going to tell me that if ND dropped two B1G games in this schedule and added two more ACC games that the whiners/haters would be silent about the schedule?

But in NIL and portal era, it is pretty early to make statements like 'embarrassing' schedule and kind of hints towards a bias in writing the article. And that is important point on top of the fact that these teams can change quickly, there is no way to know that a team like Wisconsin which usually fields a strong team is going to suck a few years down the road when these things are scheduled let alone next year when you have transfer portals that can gut or build a team over night.

We have been scheduling some home and home series and targeting SEC teams like Texas and Auburn (hopefully they get stronger come time to play them).

That schedule is embarrassing. Full stop. ND needs to join the Big 10. Make it happen.
Some of the big 10 schedules are embarrassingly bad as well.
I keep saying it and everyone who is in the 'join a conference' side ignores.... they are two games short of an ACC schedule and have 4 B1G games! It is actually a better schedule than the ACC as it is a given that B1G is a better conference than the ACC. We have to play 5 ACC games and we added another one to 6 for this upcoming year. Somehow adding two more ACC games would make all the difference in the world? No. Sorry. It wouldn't. It is just something that haters use to attack ND with.
 


Edit: And USC - ND next year is not a done deal. Word on the street is that USC will agree to play Notre Dame if it’s early in the season. If an agreement isn’t reached, an 11-1 record against this cupcake schedule with only three away games (at UNC, Syracuse and Purdue) is pretty much a guarantee, no?
I hate it, and most fans do too. I think people aren’t realizing this is where the ACC deal has come in. It mattered to fill in a full schedule, but there weren’t any guarantees to supply quality teams so schedules can get awful, boring, and bring a terrible SOS to the table.

I’m pretty sure Miami is only on there because they canceled the 2024 game (that ND replaced with Army) and thankfully help prop up a dreadful 2026 slate. USC/ND does sound all but done as scheduled for 2 more years btw, so we’ll see there.

But I promise most fans want better than this. These are some of the final remnants of Swarbrick and Kelly. One more reason ND fans complained about Kelly is he advocated for watering the schedule down and still didn’t win anything important.

Why did they leave the Big East for non-football sports? Seems like that would be a good fit.
Scheduling around COVID made the ACC beneficial for them and its non-football sports gave a good spot to land sports like basketball and lacrosse.

These Big East is another rumored option again, but they’d have to have a fully independent football plan if so, hence my note suggesting they will first likely try some deal ACC-like. Conferences don’t have to agree as I see many hate that the ACC did here, but it’s not on ND if they try and it works and especially if it improves their SOS 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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Edit: And USC - ND next year is not a done deal. Word on the street is that USC will agree to play Notre Dame if it’s early in the season. If an agreement isn’t reached, an 11-1 record against this cupcake schedule with only three away games (at UNC, Syracuse and Purdue) is pretty much a guarantee, no?
I hate it, and most fans do too. I think people aren’t realizing this is where the ACC deal has come in. It mattered to fill in a full schedule, but there weren’t any guarantees to supply quality teams so schedules can get awful, boring, and bring a terrible SOS to the table.

I’m pretty sure Miami is only on there because they canceled the 2024 game (that ND replaced with Army) and thankfully help prop up a dreadful 2026 slate. USC/ND does sound all but done as scheduled for 2 more years btw, so we’ll see there.

But I promise most fans want better than this. These are some of the final remnants of Swarbrick and Kelly. One more reason ND fans complained about Kelly is he advocated for watering the schedule down and still didn’t win anything important.

Love this post. Very thoughtful. Thanks.
 
All these teams declining a bowl invite is funny.

I don’t get it and don’t agree with it. There’s lots of seniors who have worked their *** off for 4+ years who, IMO, deserve one last bowl game to enjoy and play in. Not all of these guys will play in the pros. For those that will and want to not risk injury, then absolutely do what’s best. Also, young kids can always stand to get more reps and playing time in a real game even if it’s somewhat like an exhibition.

It seems hypocritical for the Notre Dame AD to bemoan "an absolute sense of sadness for our student-athletes" with the playoff snub but then decline a bowl game.
That makes no sense. If the bowl game doesn't beget a chance at the title, it's an exhibition. If the kids feel risk is greater than reward and doesn't lead to a title, those aren't the same thing.

It'd be hypocritical if participating in the bowl directly led to them having a chance to win an AP/Coaches' poll title, but they don't in the playoff format.
All these teams declining a bowl invite is funny.

I don’t get it and don’t agree with it. There’s lots of seniors who have worked their *** off for 4+ years who, IMO, deserve one last bowl game to enjoy and play in. Not all of these guys will play in the pros. For those that will and want to not risk injury, then absolutely do what’s best. Also, young kids can always stand to get more reps and playing time in a real game even if it’s somewhat like an exhibition.

It seems hypocritical for the Notre Dame AD to bemoan "an absolute sense of sadness for our student-athletes" with the playoff snub but then decline a bowl game.
Beyond 15 extra practices and what? $3 million payout.... what benefit of playing is there for ND (Team and players). My feel from listening to ND shows is that players were on board and the decision was made with consultation of the captains on the team. Guys like Love and Price wouldn't play as they get ready for the NFL. I have zero interest in putting Carr and other top talent returning players at risk.

ND is taking a stand. Like it or not and of course there are plenty of haters that will automatically not like it. A BYU vs ND game would have higher ratings than either Tulane or JMU beat downs. Who benefits from that? Not ND or the players.

I think your comments and Jayded's comments perfectly illustrate the hypocrisy. Its OK to have the opinion that ND was screwed by the committee. Its also OK to choose to sit out a bowl game. Like all big football programs, Notre Dame has a mix of professional athletes for whom this is a stepping stone and others who are true student-athletes, who will never play organized football again after leaving South Bend. The hypocrisy is when the AD whines about the committee's decision by appealing to the plight of the "student-athletes" while defending the decision to skip a bowl game by referencing the pros, the payouts, a national title, the injury risk, the NFL, etc.
 
Now look me in the eye and say that joining the ACC and adding 2 more ACC games would make their SOS better without laughing.

Our five contractual ACC games plus one: UNC, Miami, BC, SMU, Syracuse, and Stanford. 4 B1G teams Wisconsin, Michigan St, Purdue, and USC. Rice (AAC, better than a FCS team) and Navy which has been a respectable team the last couple of years but that game will never go away no matter what ND does as independent or conference or what.

So.... it is an ACC and B1G schedule but "join a conference!" uh... ok. Who is going to tell me that if ND dropped two B1G games in this schedule and added two more ACC games that the whiners/haters would be silent about the schedule?

But in NIL and portal era, it is pretty early to make statements like 'embarrassing' schedule and kind of hints towards a bias in writing the article. And that is important point on top of the fact that these teams can change quickly, there is no way to know that a team like Wisconsin which usually fields a strong team is going to suck a few years down the road when these things are scheduled let alone next year when you have transfer portals that can gut or build a team over night.

We have been scheduling some home and home series and targeting SEC teams like Texas and Auburn (hopefully they get stronger come time to play them).

That schedule is embarrassing. Full stop. ND needs to join the Big 10. Make it happen.
Some of the big 10 schedules are embarrassingly bad as well.
I keep saying it and everyone who is in the 'join a conference' side ignores.... they are two games short of an ACC schedule and have 4 B1G games! It is actually a better schedule than the ACC as it is a given that B1G is a better conference than the ACC. We have to play 5 ACC games and we added another one to 6 for this upcoming year. Somehow adding two more ACC games would make all the difference in the world? No. Sorry. It wouldn't. It is just something that haters use to attack ND with.

I don’t think ND should join the ACC. ND belongs in the Big 10 playing against its storied rivals.
 
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Edit: And USC - ND next year is not a done deal. Word on the street is that USC will agree to play Notre Dame if it’s early in the season. If an agreement isn’t reached, an 11-1 record against this cupcake schedule with only three away games (at UNC, Syracuse and Purdue) is pretty much a guarantee, no?
I hate it, and most fans do too. I think people aren’t realizing this is where the ACC deal has come in. It mattered to fill in a full schedule, but there weren’t any guarantees to supply quality teams so schedules can get awful, boring, and bring a terrible SOS to the table.

I’m pretty sure Miami is only on there because they canceled the 2024 game (that ND replaced with Army) and thankfully help prop up a dreadful 2026 slate. USC/ND does sound all but done as scheduled for 2 more years btw, so we’ll see there.

But I promise most fans want better than this. These are some of the final remnants of Swarbrick and Kelly. One more reason ND fans complained about Kelly is he advocated for watering the schedule down and still didn’t win anything important.

Why did they leave the Big East for non-football sports? Seems like that would be a good fit.
Scheduling around COVID made the ACC beneficial for them and its non-football sports gave a good spot to land sports like basketball and lacrosse.

These Big East is another rumored option again, but they’d have to have a fully independent football plan if so, hence my note suggesting they will first likely try some deal ACC-like. Conferences don’t Al have to agree as I see many hate that the ACC did here, but it’s not on ND if they try and it works and especially if it improves their SOS 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yea if they are fully independent for football, it's probably hard to get 12 games every year, eh? Especially mid and late season.
 
And I literally told everyone that the ACC divorce was coming with their behavior. There’s a difference in advocacy and taking shots and there is a contractual relationship with football along with most other sports.

I agreed earlier this week with Capella about full members getting the stronger push, but going after them was raising fever pitch like I suggested. I think the relationship has run its course for both sides and curious where they go from here.

I’ve said I get why they’d appreciate independence and that it is not solely financial as some suggest. But I’m not as opposed as others to just joining the B1G. Our traditional rivals are there. My guess is next move is whether they can get an ACC-like deal from the B1G maybe with more revenue share but schedule flexibility. Push might come to shove for full membership or that might be when ND tries to force the super conference. We’ll see
The ACC is following PAC12 into being demolished and at this point, I am all for it because it will push real changes being made in college football. I love how everyone agrees that the current 'system' is absolutely broken and then everyone saying ND needs to join the same absolutely broken system like us! No thank you. Let's really fix this crap and then we will talk about joining it.
Miami says :hi from College Station.

You can demagogue the ACC and their leadership, but they clearly have more juice in the current CFP setup than ND. The conference TV deals (even the ACC's) are worth more to these networks and conferences than standalone ND without a TV deal past this year. That may not have been true in 2010 or even in 2023 when they extended with NBC( and ND will still get their money if the remain independent when that contract is up in '29); but the CFP most definitely doesn't need them to be successful.
Good luck. I am pulling for Miami. They have the best (most interesting and best football) first round game by far against Texas A&M. I think both of those teams are very good and have a chance to go all the way.

That said, the ACC is in a decline. Yes, network deals are worth more.... you are pooling 17/18 schools together and all their fanbases and all those games. When you break it down to school, they are getting 30-40 million while ND is one school and getting 50 million from it's deal.

If you want to take a position that ratings wouldn't be better with ND playing in the first round then ok... that is a pretty strong position to take. Will people watch the CFP? Of course. Would more be interest with ND in? Of course. The conversation, at least in what I have had, has never been about what is good for ratings.
 

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