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2025 College Football Thread: Lane Kiffin suddenly feels compelled to read morals clause of contract (50 Viewers)

Huh - Kyle Whittingham retiring. He's been a Ute for a long time. Good coach. Good career.

Wonder if he had a succession plan in place? Utah has had two coaches since it hired Urban Meyer years in 2003. How many progrums can say that?

Washington State has hired Mizzou OC Kirby Moore. No relation to the guy in a Michigan jail cell.
 
Whittingham was a great coach. I'm honestly surprised he didn't move to a bigger name at some point, but that is a bit of the charm of why I like him too in that he stayed loyal.

Sounds like Utah has had a multiple-time coach in waiting that'll get promoted. Multiple time because he got in trouble texting (racial slur in texting a recruit) and has multiple additional race-related incidents. Eek.
 
Arraingment supposedly at 1 PM today. Moore being represented by Joe Simon, probably one of the best criminal defense attorneys around. I'd be very surprised if any of this sees a courtroom. Charges will probably be plead down and/or completely dismissed.

Sounds like you are a Michigan Man..or grad. Would you be happy to see this dismissed? Would most fans? I think he will get something although not sure what.

Who would you want to be next HC? The interim you got is too old but seem kinds cool. The bowl game just got quite a bit more interesting. Thought the Horns would win but this adds something. The players will want to win one for the old coach.
 
We're done with the whole "student athlete" notion right? They are rented athletes each season.

There are over 30,000 D1 football players. My impression is the majority probably still qualify as "student-athletes" under any reasonable definition of that term. How much NIL is a back up right guard earning at a MAC or Sun-Belt school? I think the scholarship, room, board and degree is still extremely important for most college football players.
Cletius you nailed it with your comment, my son and I made several visits for football, mostly MAC and FCS schools. Largely these schools pride them on getting players to graduate and make their money through the jobs they can attain via their degrees. Everyone we visited had a requirement of 8-10 hours of study hall per week at the athletic building for all players. Plus the number of support staff to help a player navigate school and sports. I spoke to one player during a tour and he stated to me with the amount of support staff and studying requirements it is nearly impossible for a player to not graduate. If you think about it, all these smaller schools are all very similar, the one thing they pride themselves on is graduation rate and earning potential when players graduate. Obviously, top level division 1 is different where players can move around and be enticed by NIL money.
Not arguing your overall point, which is correct. But as a former D1 athlete, the bolded is a sham at many schools. Study hall is mostly a place for 1) FB and BB players to meet girls that are other athletes or are paid tutors, 2) FB and BB players to have tutors do their work for them, 3) people to sign in and walk out the door (what 80% of us did), and last and least 4) athletes to get real help with their studies. If you are in a non-revenue sport, I'd label the study hall requirement a complete and utter joke and waste of a walk from the dorms. At least that was my experience at two D1 schools.
 
Arraingment supposedly at 1 PM today. Moore being represented by Joe Simon, probably one of the best criminal defense attorneys around. I'd be very surprised if any of this sees a courtroom. Charges will probably be plead down and/or completely dismissed.

Sounds like you are a Michigan Man..or grad. Would you be happy to see this dismissed? Would most fans? I think he will get something although not sure what.

Who would you want to be next HC? The interim you got is too old but seem kinds cool. The bowl game just got quite a bit more interesting. Thought the Horns would win but this adds something. The players will want to win one for the old coach.
MSU and tOSU grad.

Just intrigued with all this. MSU has certainly gone through similar crap as this with dumb *** Tucker, and perhaps with the Fitz hire maybe they are turning the corner.

I also have seen how things go in the past with um and washtenaw county. Pretty favorable treatment in the past.

I don’t care one way or the other TBH. Hopefully Moore gets the help he needs, and his wife and kids and the assistant can go on and have a somewhat normal life out of the media spotlight. The craziness of the whole thing is almost beyond comprehension at this point.

My main interest in all this is how Warde Manuel has kept his job through all of the scandals.
 
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Some smoke around Dillingham to Michigan on the socials. Players following him online or some such and the always present rumors from media.

Feels like a realistic option and if at all true the sooner the better.
 
We're done with the whole "student athlete" notion right? They are rented athletes each season.

There are over 30,000 D1 football players. My impression is the majority probably still qualify as "student-athletes" under any reasonable definition of that term. How much NIL is a back up right guard earning at a MAC or Sun-Belt school? I think the scholarship, room, board and degree is still extremely important for most college football players.
Cletius you nailed it with your comment, my son and I made several visits for football, mostly MAC and FCS schools. Largely these schools pride them on getting players to graduate and make their money through the jobs they can attain via their degrees. Everyone we visited had a requirement of 8-10 hours of study hall per week at the athletic building for all players. Plus the number of support staff to help a player navigate school and sports. I spoke to one player during a tour and he stated to me with the amount of support staff and studying requirements it is nearly impossible for a player to not graduate. If you think about it, all these smaller schools are all very similar, the one thing they pride themselves on is graduation rate and earning potential when players graduate. Obviously, top level division 1 is different where players can move around and be enticed by NIL money.
Not arguing your overall point, which is correct. But as a former D1 athlete, the bolded is a sham at many schools. Study hall is mostly a place for 1) FB and BB players to meet girls that are other athletes or are paid tutors, 2) FB and BB players to have tutors do their work for them, 3) people to sign in and walk out the door (what 80% of us did), and last and least 4) athletes to get real help with their studies. If you are in a non-revenue sport, I'd label the study hall requirement a complete and utter joke and waste of a walk from the dorms. At least that was my experience at two D1 schools.


Good watch with Bob Costa on NIL and the state of college sports today.
 
We're done with the whole "student athlete" notion right? They are rented athletes each season.

There are over 30,000 D1 football players. My impression is the majority probably still qualify as "student-athletes" under any reasonable definition of that term. How much NIL is a back up right guard earning at a MAC or Sun-Belt school? I think the scholarship, room, board and degree is still extremely important for most college football players.
Cletius you nailed it with your comment, my son and I made several visits for football, mostly MAC and FCS schools. Largely these schools pride them on getting players to graduate and make their money through the jobs they can attain via their degrees. Everyone we visited had a requirement of 8-10 hours of study hall per week at the athletic building for all players. Plus the number of support staff to help a player navigate school and sports. I spoke to one player during a tour and he stated to me with the amount of support staff and studying requirements it is nearly impossible for a player to not graduate. If you think about it, all these smaller schools are all very similar, the one thing they pride themselves on is graduation rate and earning potential when players graduate. Obviously, top level division 1 is different where players can move around and be enticed by NIL money.
Not arguing your overall point, which is correct. But as a former D1 athlete, the bolded is a sham at many schools. Study hall is mostly a place for 1) FB and BB players to meet girls that are other athletes or are paid tutors, 2) FB and BB players to have tutors do their work for them, 3) people to sign in and walk out the door (what 80% of us did), and last and least 4) athletes to get real help with their studies. If you are in a non-revenue sport, I'd label the study hall requirement a complete and utter joke and waste of a walk from the dorms. At least that was my experience at two D1 schools.


Good watch with Bob Costa on NIL and the state of college sports today.
Costas wants Congress to step in. He definitely knows about the court cases, right? Why didn't Costas want Congress to step in when the players were being exploited?

That's weird, huh?
 
We're done with the whole "student athlete" notion right? They are rented athletes each season.

There are over 30,000 D1 football players. My impression is the majority probably still qualify as "student-athletes" under any reasonable definition of that term. How much NIL is a back up right guard earning at a MAC or Sun-Belt school? I think the scholarship, room, board and degree is still extremely important for most college football players.
Cletius you nailed it with your comment, my son and I made several visits for football, mostly MAC and FCS schools. Largely these schools pride them on getting players to graduate and make their money through the jobs they can attain via their degrees. Everyone we visited had a requirement of 8-10 hours of study hall per week at the athletic building for all players. Plus the number of support staff to help a player navigate school and sports. I spoke to one player during a tour and he stated to me with the amount of support staff and studying requirements it is nearly impossible for a player to not graduate. If you think about it, all these smaller schools are all very similar, the one thing they pride themselves on is graduation rate and earning potential when players graduate. Obviously, top level division 1 is different where players can move around and be enticed by NIL money.
Not arguing your overall point, which is correct. But as a former D1 athlete, the bolded is a sham at many schools. Study hall is mostly a place for 1) FB and BB players to meet girls that are other athletes or are paid tutors, 2) FB and BB players to have tutors do their work for them, 3) people to sign in and walk out the door (what 80% of us did), and last and least 4) athletes to get real help with their studies. If you are in a non-revenue sport, I'd label the study hall requirement a complete and utter joke and waste of a walk from the dorms. At least that was my experience at two D1 schools.


Good watch with Bob Costa on NIL and the state of college sports today.
Costas wants Congress to step in. He definitely knows about the court cases, right? Why didn't Costas want Congress to step in when the players were being exploited?

That's weird, huh?

Not that part in general, just the part about trying to be a fan now.

NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money. Not for some rich donor just to cut checks to buy players. But it is totally the wild west now.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Full ride for a free education doesn't count?
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Totally agree but with the size of the pie now, it's long time for contracts and a salary cap. This current nonsense is awful.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Full ride for a free education doesn't count?
I used to think this but most of these guys don't care about that and the schools don't care either beyond the farce of keeping them eligible. This is minor league football.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.

4 years of a full ride can be valued at 100 to160K. That is a slice of the pie.

Playing a college sport is a choice, not mandatory. But you are correct in a way as it is now pro, not college anymore.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Full ride for a free education doesn't count?
Yes, it counts.
As does endorsement money, appearance fees, money from a YouTube channel, autograph sessions, and free pizza from a grateful fan. All things that were restricted before, in direct violation of anti-trust laws, because some college admins made up a new category. For decades. Costing thousands of promising young men billions of dollars in lost income from endorsements. People should be charged with CRIMES for what happened to those athletes. And people in here whining these Americans are free to change schools---you know, like other students.

NIL was meant to right a wrong, not meant to be some bone we throw a college athlete. These are their rights as American adults, not some concession that a school gives as a special privilege, with some arbitrary dollar amount that SOME fans think is fair.

Who are you, or anyone to say there should be some limit on what people make with their Name Image and Likeness?

There is no salary cap on endorsements, in any league, pro or amateur. So this whole salary cap thing is fantasy land. Contracts and salary cap would just shift the booster money to endorsements, where it is now.

This has been brought up a dozen times here, with someone saying the same thing a dozen different ways, and Costas is as wrong as everyone else. Because he's not saying what he actually means, and neither are others making the statement. Maybe it's not on purpose. What everyone is saying is:

For college athletes, I reject the American principle that you can succeed if you work hard, and the sky is the limit. This freedom to pursue the American Dream should be restricted for this one group of Americans, because I prefer the old system, where they were being exploited.

I would love to read that level of honesty.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Full ride for a free education doesn't count?
I used to think this but most of these guys don't care about that and the schools don't care either beyond the farce of keeping them eligible. This is minor league football.
Definitely agree, as mentioned they don't play school, but whether you take advantage or not, 150k towards your future isn't nothing along with the state of the art facilities, stadiums, trainers, connections, exposure.

How does that compare to the average minor league baseball player?
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Full ride for a free education doesn't count?
Yes, it counts.
As does endorsement money, appearance fees, money from a YouTube channel, autograph sessions, and free pizza from a grateful fan. All things that were restricted before, in direct violation of anti-trust laws, because some college admins made up a new category. For decades. Costing thousands of promising young men billions of dollars in lost income from endorsements. People should be charged with CRIMES for what happened to those athletes. And people in here whining these Americans are free to change schools---you know, like other students.

NIL was meant to right a wrong, not meant to be some bone we throw a college athlete. These are their rights as American adults, not some concession that a school gives as a special privilege, with some arbitrary dollar amount that SOME fans think is fair.

Who are you, or anyone to say there should be some limit on what people make with their Name Image and Likeness?

There is no salary cap on endorsements, in any league, pro or amateur. So this whole salary cap thing is fantasy land. Contracts and salary cap would just shift the booster money to endorsements, where it is now.

This has been brought up a dozen times here, with someone saying the same thing a dozen different ways, and Costas is as wrong as everyone else. Because he's not saying what he actually means, and neither are others making the statement. Maybe it's not on purpose. What everyone is saying is:

For college athletes, I reject the American principle that you can succeed if you work hard, and the sky is the limit. This freedom to pursue the American Dream should be restricted for this one group of Americans, because I prefer the old system, where they were being exploited.

I would love to read that level of honesty.
Yeah, I'm all for making what your NIL is worth, seems fair, but even under the old system I had a hard time feeling bad and that they were horribly taken advantage of.

But as they say, make hay when the sun is shining. If they'll pay you 10mm a year at 18 to play college football who wouldn't want that.
 
Yeah, I'm all for making what your NIL is worth, seems fair, but even under the old system I had a hard time feeling bad and that they were horribly taken advantage of.
That's neither here nor there, is it? Your level of sympathy? Whether or not you thought it was fair compensation? Or I thought, or anyone else thought.

Their rights as Americans to make money were infringed. End of story. The fact that they got a free ride to college doesn't change that fact. For 50+ years the NCAA took food out of their mouths, and money out of their family's pocket, by using that argument.

Whatever you do for a living: if your boss restricted your ability to make money in your spare time, but some guy you don't know from another state said, hey I thought Longtime Lurker was making enough money, would you care about their opinion??
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Full ride for a free education doesn't count?
No.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Totally agree but with the size of the pie now, it's long time for contracts and a salary cap. This current nonsense is awful.
Absolutely. Players should have contracts like almost anybody receiving that kind of money. It’s absurd.
 
NIL was meant to right a wrong, not meant to be some bone we throw a college athlete. These are their rights as American adults, not some concession that a school gives as a special privilege, with some arbitrary dollar amount that SOME fans think is fair.
:goodposting: imagine any other industry in America where people willfully say hey why can’t this adult just get 2% of what he’s worth? It was ABSURD.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Full ride for a free education doesn't count?
It does a little bit. But if we're being honest, this is akin to saying "I'm going to pay you $10 because you're making me $1,000,000."
 
Yeah, I'm all for making what your NIL is worth, seems fair, but even under the old system I had a hard time feeling bad and that they were horribly taken advantage of.
That's neither here nor there, is it? Your level of sympathy? Whether or not you thought it was fair compensation? Or I thought, or anyone else thought.

Their rights as Americans to make money were infringed. End of story. The fact that they got a free ride to college doesn't change that fact. For 50+ years the NCAA took food out of their mouths, and money out of their family's pocket, by using that argument.

Whatever you do for a living: if your boss restricted your ability to make money in your spare time, but some guy you don't know from another state said, hey I thought Longtime Lurker was making enough money, would you care about their opinion??
I'm agreeing with you. My only point was that they get more than 1k at a car dealership on the weekend.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.

4 years of a full ride can be valued at 100 to160K. That is a slice of the pie.

Playing a college sport is a choice, not mandatory. But you are correct in a way as it is now pro, not college anymore.
There is no other legit route to the NFL but through CFB. If your goal is to play in the NFL, its really not a choice.
 
I'm agreeing with you. My only point was that they get more than 1k at a car dealership on the weekend.
Yeah, man, and you're very reasonable, I'm not coming at you. :suds:
NIL was meant to right a wrong, not meant to be some bone we throw a college athlete. These are their rights as American adults, not some concession that a school gives as a special privilege, with some arbitrary dollar amount that SOME fans think is fair.
:goodposting: imagine any other industry in America where people willfully say hey why can’t this adult just get 2% of what he’s worth? It was ABSURD.
The one that really makes me crazy is the, "well they should get some money, but....."

That's not how anything works, anywhere else. Like, I understand where the sentiment comes from, but don't we want to deal in reality?
 
Did anybody know there was a bowl game tonight? Boise vs Washington. Don’t recall too many Dec 13 bowl games.
Noticed it last night. Actually two teams I know pretty well, too. One I think is underrated who definitely has some great players (QB, RB, WR - Boston's son). Actually both RBs are good. QB Williams Jr, though, is something else. Very quick and fast, out of the pocket, he's a big problem. And he can throw too. Really fun to watch. Washington is underrated and I expect them to roll. That is if they care and keep those guys in.

This is not your typical Boise State. That whole conference had a lot of talent take off for colleges not in flux and/or money. They literally aren't a conference after this game. Just look at their records. 4 were tied at the top (4-2) and that's because there was so much mediocrity. I mean, even New Mexico tied for first and THAT is saying something. Some math equation landed Boise State at home vs UNLV and it was a joke. At one point, 7 penalties on UNLV, none on Boise State. Typical. And UNLV still could've won.

Since it's somewhat of a regional game, there could be some pride. BSU will show up to beat Wash (and they just played a week ago. Washington OTOH had their last gasp with Oregon and that was two weeks ago so those guys may have mailed it in. It's also in LA so they may be finding other things than football around. I hope not because I'd like to see them roll Boise. One of the few bowl games I'll bet. Washington is for real -- top 20 team, easy. They could've won a few more games, at least one, if it wasn't for Fisch, their HC. If he just lets that kid (Williams, Jr) let er rip, they would've been better off. Instead, he leaned on that running game and tried to wear teams down. Like, almost proving their not a P-12 team or some ****.

Against the bigger names on their schedule, they played to just stay in the game. Dumb.
 
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NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Full ride for a free education doesn't count?

I think it still counts very much fir a large number of scholarship athletes. But those athletes (the great majority) probably aren’t earning very much NIL anyway. The focus of the discussion is typically on the top 5% or so for whom the education and degree are truly meaningless. Basketball is maybe a little different. I know there are players earning high 6 and 7 figures playing college hoops who will never step foot on an NBA court.
 
Playing a college sport is a choice, not mandatory.
I didn't realize the NFL had changed their rules and that players can be drafted out of high school.

Good to know they have that option now. Otherwise, many of them would be getting a worthless college education instead of actual money.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.

4 years of a full ride can be valued at 100 to160K. That is a slice of the pie.

Playing a college sport is a choice, not mandatory. But you are correct in a way as it is now pro, not college anymore.
There is no other legit route to the NFL but through CFB. If your goal is to play in the NFL, its really not a choice.
Wild to me that the NFL shirks all responsibility here.
 
NIL was meant for a player to earn some $$$. Hey Saturday morning will you come to my car dealership and sign some pictures for a couple hours for a grand. Things they can make money.
Says who? The players should have a cut of the pie like all the pro sports have. Ridiculous that these schools make this kind of money and a QB gets a grand for some autograph signings.
Totally agree but with the size of the pie now, it's long time for contracts and a salary cap. This current nonsense is awful.
Absolutely. Players should have contracts like almost anybody receiving that kind of money. It’s absurd.

Hey McCaully Caulkin, we'd like you to act in this film in exchange for free snacks and getting to meet Joe Pesci.

Asinine to expect anybody to sacrifice their bodies to entertain millions and receive nothing but room and board plus free chemistry 101 in return.
 
Queation: Do you want more or less transparency from the committee moving forward?

My vote is for less.
I want a new committee. I don't think any active AD's should be on the committee at all. Sports writers, retired coaches, players and AD's.

All games need to "count". Trying to protect conference championship games by not letting a loss hurt you (which has never been the case) is not intellectually honest. If we want to keep the "conference champions" bids then we need to expand the playoffs to at least 16. As long as each conference changes their rules to have their top 2 ranked teams or another way to ensure we never get another Duke vs Virginia game again, then give each power 4 conference champions and auto bid. Losers are at risk of dropping in rankings and must gain an at large bid. The highest group 6 gains an auto bid. The of the 11 are at large.

I am not totally bought into the following but chewing on it as an idea... start with a BCS type ranking that is known and released to all. Then the committee can adjust as required and then they need to give reasoning for those changes.
 

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