2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Draft, FAs, trades? (15 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

kinda feels like a gut punch for the whole organization, and especially for Jamo.

Still feeling good about the season but the Ticket (local sports station) just immediately started in with the SOL talk earlier today :(

Screw the media. They spin everything into a crisis. The Lions will deal with it. Jamo will deal with it. As soon as Jamo catches a few long balls in week 8, all will be forgotten.

True, but It also creates a sizable hole in the offense without their #2 starting WR

I was not happy they did not re-sign Chark. They were weak at #3 and this exposes it. I hope this forces them to address that.

 

[Ilov80s]

So let's start rethinking where Bijan Robinson could land...
Flip the script and fill in some of the missing pass attack with some short throws to a shiny new RB with the ability to break it at any moment.
Slot-WR. RB1, TE, WR 2...there's different ways to move the football and JW will be back after 6 weeks
I don't see JW being a huge factor now until perhaps Weeks 12-13 and beyond. Might take a little while for him to find his rhythm now.

I would start building a stronger backfield, don't think any WR in the Draft is going to be what you all need right now.
I do like the kid from Boston College but he's on the short side at 5-10.

That's taking 1 mistake and turning it into 2. If we are worried about the passing game, we should address it with a receiver.

Gibbs. Elite pass catching RB. Ability to make splash plays ... until Jameson returns. 2nd round, not first.

Detroit has Swift though. I just don't think having 2 pass catching RBs is really the big fix for having 0 starting caliber outside WRs for at least 6 games.

 

[Ilov80s]

kinda feels like a gut punch for the whole organization, and especially for Jamo.

Still feeling good about the season but the Ticket (local sports station) just immediately started in with the SOL talk earlier today :(

Screw the media. They spin everything into a crisis. The Lions will deal with it. Jamo will deal with it. As soon as Jamo catches a few long balls in week 8, all will be forgotten.

True, but It also creates a sizable hole in the offense without their #2 starting WR

I was not happy they did not re-sign Chark. They were weak at #3 and this exposes it. I hope this forces them to address that.

My guess is they tried and Chark just preferred Carolina. He probably sees the opportunity there to be a true #1 and have another 1000 yard season which will get him the bigger deal he wants.

 

[Ilov80s]

I really wish I liked Quentin Johnston more than I do.

 

[Ilov80s]

I thought Jeudy started to look really good towards the end of last season and have predicted a very good year for him coming up if Wilson starts rebounding with the new OC. Would totally be up for making a move for him

I don’t hate this idea but the cost matters. They have an absolute need for an outside receiver right now. Damn it Jamo…

There was speculation a month ago he would cost a 2nd. Who the heck knows how real that is, but would you send pick 48 for him? Might have to be 48 + the 5th we got Okudah?

 

[jon_mx]

I really wish I liked Quentin Johnston more than I do.

There is really no WR I love in this draft. I just hope Brad can work his magic and find some hidden gems. I like CB better than any other position.

 

[Chaka]

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

 

[Ilov80s]

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

Thank you! Monty and Swift is probably the best backfield in the NFL.

 

[Chaka]

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

Thank you! Monty and Swift is probably the best backfield in the NFL.

I haven't thought about the rest of the league but behind the Lions OL (on paper) this is definitely a formidable backfield.

 

[Ilov80s]

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

Thank you! Monty and Swift is probably the best backfield in the NFL.

I haven't thought about the rest of the league but behind the Lions OL (on paper) this is definitely a formidable backfield.

If I ranked the top 25 NFL RBs, I am sure Monty and Swift make it. Is there another backfield with 2 guys on that list? If there is, it's not jumping out to me.

 

[Moonlight]

The

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

Thank you! Monty and Swift is probably the best backfield in the NFL.

Disagree. Swift is untrustworthy and not capable of handling the load if Montgomery goes down.

Since the Lions only used him for spot duty that’s how I look at him.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I thought Jeudy started to look really good towards the end of last season and have predicted a very good year for him coming up if Wilson starts rebounding with the new OC. Would totally be up for making a move for him

I don’t hate this idea but the cost matters. They have an absolute need for an outside receiver right now. Damn it Jamo…

There was speculation a month ago he would cost a 2nd. Who the heck knows how real that is, but would you send pick 48 for him? Might have to be 48 + the 5th we got Okudah?

I think I would, time is now. Outside receiver just jumped to the top of the priority list IMO.

 

[Ilov80s]

The

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

Thank you! Monty and Swift is probably the best backfield in the NFL.

Disagree. Swift is untrustworthy and not capable of handling the load if Montgomery goes down.

Since the Lions only used him for spot duty that’s how I look at him.

Ok, name a better RB pairing

 

[Chaka]

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

Thank you! Monty and Swift is probably the best backfield in the NFL.

I haven't thought about the rest of the league but behind the Lions OL (on paper) this is definitely a formidable backfield.

If I ranked the top 25 NFL RBs, I am sure Monty and Swift make it. Is there another backfield with 2 guys on that list? If there is, it's not jumping out to me.

IDK honestly haven't thought about it. Too soon for me, I usually don't start that kind of stuff until late mid/late July.

Quick take from me is there is an argument that Detroit doesn't even have the best backfield in their division. Maybe not even the second depending on what happens with Cook (and considering Swift's history).

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I really wish I liked Quentin Johnston more than I do.

Catching the ball is sort of important for a receiver.

 

[TartanLion]

Far from ideal but Josh Reynolds has had some very good days as a WR for us, Goff trusts him. WR is still a priority now of course, but just thought I’d throw his name in as hadn’t seen it mentioned at all

 

[jon_mx]

Maybe Jalen Hyatt in the second. Decent size and good speed, very productive for Tennessee last season.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Far from ideal but Josh Reynolds has had some very good days as a WR for us, Goff trusts him. WR is still a priority now of course, but just thought I’d throw his name in as hadn’t seen it mentioned at all

I like having Reynolds as a 4th or even a spot 3rd, but now we have a major depth issue. I actually liked Cephus and was looking forward to seeing if he could put injuries behind him and see the field a bit this year, but now he is gone as well. I see now why they went and brought Marvin back, but that room is looking pretty spotty right now. Not sure what happened to Cedric Wilson last year, but he may be a cost effective inquiry. Wish they would have scooped Noah Brown on the cheap as I always liked his game for a depth guy. Anyway, Jamo put us in a big hole…dude better come out of that suspension ready to roll….

 

[BobbyLayne]

I really wish I liked Quentin Johnston more than I do.

Catching the ball is sort of important for a receiver.

It’s like quarterback accuracy, we can coach him up

/s

Johnston has Julio Jones body and plays like Chase Claypool. Or whoever you think is bad at contested catches. Plays small. Testing was meh. Still can’t see how Max Duggan throws 32 TDs and this guy catches 6. Liked the early breakout age but you turn on the film and it’s like dude do you not realize you’re a bigger human than everybody lining up across from you?

 

[BobbyLayne]

I know this will come across as an extreme overreaction, but I think Brad & Dan have to consider it never works out for Jamo. You can’t just flat out give up on him & write off that much draft capital, but he’s trending into Kadarius Toney territory. Maybe he’s on the front end of an amazing redemption arc. But they need a Plan B just in case that never happens.

I want to believe this amazing culture they’ve created is not just for model citizens from wholly intact nuclear families (Penei, ARSB, Hutch.) Those guys are rare. The work ethic they possess is uncommon. But you can readily see their success isn’t talent + nothing. They’re the whole package, you really couldn’t dream up a better foundation.

Jamo has such incredible physical traits he’ll be a ten year vet presuming health and zero legal issues (I don’t feel confident about either.) If he doesn’t hit here, he’ll be the WR version of Pacman Jones somewhere else. I want to see him get every conceivable chance.

Broken trust is a tough thing to overcome. I’m not talking about MCDC; I mean with his teammates. We’re building towards achieving sustainable success and his idiocy is jeopardizing that.

Brad & Dan need to have a path exclusive of any contributions from Williams. If he becomes an 80 yards per game dude, forget it, we’re gonna be unstoppable. But rn we’re looking at a guy with 1 catch through the first 23 games of his NFL career. If he’s not the starting Z, please don’t tell me 33 year old Marvin Jones Jr or midget little person Raymond is the plan.

 

[rockaction]

I wonder what Plan B is. You don't just replace 4.32 or whatever speed like that. It's a tricky thing.

Chark leaving kills. As a fantasy GM, I didn't want him back in Detroit because of Williams being there, but I'm sure if they knew Williams wasn't going to be there or had an inkling, they would have signed Chark for a reasonable amount and everyone would be happier than they are now.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I wonder what Plan B is. You don't just replace 4.32 or whatever speed like that. It's a tricky thing.

Chark leaving kills. As a fantasy GM, I didn't want him back in Detroit because of Williams being there, but I'm sure if they knew Williams wasn't going to be there or had an inkling, they would have signed Chark for a reasonable amount and everyone would be happier than they are now.

Takes two to complete a deal. DJ wants that generational wealth contract. He didn’t get the memo he’s just a guy (albeit one who once went to a Pro Bowl.) He took less money in Y6 bc his plan is “be the man then I’ll go get Kenny Golladay money.” Truth is even if he hits 1K it’s not even gonna be an Allen Robinson sized bag let alone Christian Kirk. IMO

Anyway, yeah, 20-20 hindsight is still undefeated. We all wish baby Chark was still here but DJ had a bigger appetite. Can’t blame him for shooting his shot. At my age it’s easy to say “ya outta be content you’re in a special place that’s about to become something awesome.” He’s a competitor who is betting on himself. Gotta respect that mindset even if you disagree.

 

[rockaction]

Takes two to complete a deal

I very much agree with this. Chark probably wanted to be the man for the year for a big contract down the line. We'll see if it works.

 

[jon_mx]

I know this will come across as an extreme overreaction, but I think Brad & Dan have to consider it never works out for Jamo. You can’t just flat out give up on him & write off that much draft capital, but he’s trending into Kadarius Toney territory. Maybe he’s on the front end of an amazing redemption arc. But they need a Plan B just in case that never happens.

I want to believe this amazing culture they’ve created is not just for model citizens from wholly intact nuclear families (Penei, ARSB, Hutch.) Those guys are rare. The work ethic they possess is uncommon. But you can readily see their success isn’t talent + nothing. They’re the whole package, you really couldn’t dream up a better foundation.

Jamo has such incredible physical traits he’ll be a ten year vet presuming health and zero legal issues (I don’t feel confident about either.) If he doesn’t hit here, he’ll be the WR version of Pacman Jones somewhere else. I want to see him get every conceivable chance.

Broken trust is a tough thing to overcome. I’m not talking about MCDC; I mean with his teammates. We’re building towards achieving sustainable success and his idiocy is jeopardizing that.

Brad & Dan need to have a path exclusive of any contributions from Williams. If he becomes an 80 yards per game dude, forget it, we’re gonna be unstoppable. But rn we’re looking at a guy with 1 catch through the first 23 games of his NFL career. If he’s not the starting Z, please don’t tell me 33 year old Marvin Jones Jr or midget little person Raymond is the plan.

Come off the ledge. Jamo is just fine. Last year was zero his fault. His missed camp, the first 10 games because of an injury we knew he had. Goff has never warmed up to any WR at either college or pro quickly. Jamo performed exactly as advertised on his few touches. The kid was born in 2001, he is a stupid kid who probably was saw a few veterans doing something dumb and joined in.

He has taken responsibility and he knows he let everyone down. In fantasy world, he is a great buy low candidate for this over-reaction. He is an introverted kid who does not socialize well, but he loves football. Yes it is disappointing he did this stupid thing, and he hates himself for it more than anyone. Next man up until he returns. The Lions will be fine. Fortunately, he gets camp this year and pre-season action. I am not the least bit worried.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Come off the ledge.

Not on it.

Not the least but worried is not a plan. It would be roster construction malpractice to pretend everything is fine.

It might work out. You don’t know one way or another. No one does.

 

[jon_mx]

Come off the ledge.

Not on it.

Not the least but worried is not a plan. It would be roster construction malpractice to pretend everything is fine.

It might work out. You don’t know one way or another. No one does.

I was for upgrading WR3 a long time ago. Jones and Reynolds are a great answer for WR4 and WR5, but not WR3. I wanted a WR in our first five picks before the news. Now I lean bringing in a vet also. It is too bad Trinity Benson never stepped up, I thought he had some promise.

 

[Moonlight]

I know this will come across as an extreme overreaction, but I think Brad & Dan have to consider it never works out for Jamo. You can’t just flat out give up on him & write off that much draft capital, but he’s trending into Kadarius Toney territory. Maybe he’s on the front end of an amazing redemption arc. But they need a Plan B just in case that never happens.

I want to believe this amazing culture they’ve created is not just for model citizens from wholly intact nuclear families (Penei, ARSB, Hutch.) Those guys are rare. The work ethic they possess is uncommon. But you can readily see their success isn’t talent + nothing. They’re the whole package, you really couldn’t dream up a better foundation.

Jamo has such incredible physical traits he’ll be a ten year vet presuming health and zero legal issues (I don’t feel confident about either.) If he doesn’t hit here, he’ll be the WR version of Pacman Jones somewhere else. I want to see him get every conceivable chance.

Broken trust is a tough thing to overcome. I’m not talking about MCDC; I mean with his teammates. We’re building towards achieving sustainable success and his idiocy is jeopardizing that.

Brad & Dan need to have a path exclusive of any contributions from Williams. If he becomes an 80 yards per game dude, forget it, we’re gonna be unstoppable. But rn we’re looking at a guy with 1 catch through the first 23 games of his NFL career. If he’s not the starting Z, please don’t tell me 33 year old Marvin Jones Jr or midget little person Raymond is the plan.

Come off the ledge. Jamo is just fine. Last year was zero his fault. His missed camp, the first 10 games because of an injury we knew he had. Goff has never warmed up to any WR at either college or pro quickly. Jamo performed exactly as advertised on his few touches. The kid was born in 2001, he is a stupid kid who probably was saw a few veterans doing something dumb and joined in.

He has taken responsibility and he knows he let everyone down. In fantasy world, he is a great buy low candidate for this over-reaction. He is an introverted kid who does not socialize well, but he loves football. Yes it is disappointing he did this stupid thing, and he hates himself for it more than anyone. Next man up until he returns. The Lions will be fine. Fortunately, he gets camp this year and pre-season action. I am not the least bit worried.

I’d like to know the circumstances. How many bets, did they occur before he was activated, etc
Doesn’t change the fact that he violated a known rule but I’d like to know how big a knucklehead.

His issue isn’t a drug or domestic violence problem but something that if he did at his home or an Arby’s parking lot would have been permissible.

 

[Moonlight]

The

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

Thank you! Monty and Swift is probably the best backfield in the NFL.

Disagree. Swift is untrustworthy and not capable of handling the load if Montgomery goes down.

Since the Lions only used him for spot duty that’s how I look at him.

Ok, name a better RB pairing

I think Chaka answered that by saying that the Lions tandem is probably 4th in their own division.

I would agree that based on potential the Lions may have the best. But Swift’s usage was unpredictable and mysterious.

Which to me means unreliable.

Lions didn’t explain what was going on

 

[msudaisy26]

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

Thank you! Monty and Swift is probably the best backfield in the NFL.

I haven't thought about the rest of the league but behind the Lions OL (on paper) this is definitely a formidable backfield.

If I ranked the top 25 NFL RBs, I am sure Monty and Swift make it. Is there another backfield with 2 guys on that list? If there is, it's not jumping out to me.

I agree they are one of the top duos, but there is no way Swift is a top 25 back in the league. Especially with the class coming in.

 

[Chaka]

The

Did everyone forget the Lions signed Montgomery?

They should definitely draft a RB, although I still like Reynolds as a 3rd RB, but I would be surprised if they drafted a RB before day three.

Thank you! Monty and Swift is probably the best backfield in the NFL.

Disagree. Swift is untrustworthy and not capable of handling the load if Montgomery goes down.

Since the Lions only used him for spot duty that’s how I look at him.

Ok, name a better RB pairing

I think Chaka answered that by saying that the Lions tandem is probably 4th in their own division.

I would agree that based on potential the Lions may have the best. But Swift’s usage was unpredictable and mysterious.

Which to me means unreliable.

Lions didn’t explain what was going on

Whoa, whoa I said there is an argument they aren't the best in their division (implying Jones/Dillon) and may be only 3rd best if Dalvin comes back to Minny.

I don't even know who is leading the Chicago backfield this season. Herbert, I guess but who's #2?

 

[rockaction]

Herbert, I guess but who's #2?

D'Onta Foreman.

 

[Ilov80s]

I think Chaka answered that by saying that the Lions tandem is probably 4th in their own division.

I would agree that based on potential the Lions may have the best. But Swift’s usage was unpredictable and mysterious.

Which to me means unreliable.

Lions didn’t explain what was going on

Swift got 11.5 touches per game. That's pretty normal usage for a 2 headed RB offense.

 

[Ilov80s]

I am not a big Swift fan but lets name NFL RBs definitely better

1. JT
2. CMC
3. Ekeler
4. Henry*
5. Pollard
6. Chubb
7. ETN
8. Breece
9. Dalvin*
10. Aaron Jones*
11. Jacobs
12. Saquon
13. Bijan
14. Walker
15. Kamara*

Asterisks are for guys that have been much better but their age raises some significant questions

Now I am getting into the probably-maybe- idk area

Rhamondre, Gibbs, Sanders, Najee, Monty

 

[BobbyLayne]

I think Chaka answered that by saying that the Lions tandem is probably 4th in their own division.

I would agree that based on potential the Lions may have the best. But Swift’s usage was unpredictable and mysterious.

Which to me means unreliable.

Lions didn’t explain what was going on

Swift got 11.5 touches per game. That's pretty normal usage for a 2 headed RB offense.

You could make the argument Cook & Jones were marginally better than Jamaal’s season. Monty, who wasn’t bad by any measure, was the division’s #4 lead back - and just got a massive upgrade in OL.

As far as duos go, Mattison has no weekly role when Cook is healthy. That was mostly true for Herbert but he showed some good burst in his fill in weeks. Foreman is a big downgrade just from a skill set perspective - one of the worst pass pro backs with little to no receiving chops. Dillon had a down year.

You could argue the Lions are 3rd or 4th in the lead back role but as a duo they’re either 1st or 2nd.

 

[Moonlight]

I think Chaka answered that by saying that the Lions tandem is probably 4th in their own division.

I would agree that based on potential the Lions may have the best. But Swift’s usage was unpredictable and mysterious.

Which to me means unreliable.

Lions didn’t explain what was going on

Swift got 11.5 touches per game. That's pretty normal usage for a 2 headed RB offense.

Why is the guy who was the better back and drafted as the lead back in the #2 role?

 

[Ilov80s]

Why is the guy who was the better back and drafted as the lead back in the #2 role?

He wasn't. Williams averaged 11.2 touches per game. Swift just got hurt so the raw totals are in Jamaal's favor.

 

[Moonlight]

Why is the guy who was the better back and drafted as the lead back in the #2 role?

He wasn't. Williams averaged 11.2 touches per game. Swift just got hurt so the raw totals are in Jamaal's favor.

I do not know where you are getting your numbers from. Williams averaged @ 16-17 touches.

And are you saying that Swift is going to be the lead back over Montgomery?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Monty is the lead back. The question is how many #2 backs are better than Swift?

 

[Ilov80s]

Why is the guy who was the better back and drafted as the lead back in the #2 role?

He wasn't. Williams averaged 11.2 touches per game. Swift just got hurt so the raw totals are in Jamaal's favor.

I do not know where you are getting your numbers from. Williams averaged @ 16-17 touches.

And are you saying that Swift is going to be the lead back over Montgomery?

I am dumb. 16 touches per game.

Swift and Monty will be 1A and 1B, just like last year.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am not a big Swift fan but lets name NFL RBs definitely better

1. JT
2. CMC
3. Ekeler
4. Henry*
5. Pollard
6. Chubb
7. ETN
8. Breece
9. Dalvin*
10. Aaron Jones*
11. Jacobs
12. Saquon
13. Bijan
14. Walker
15. Kamara*

Asterisks are for guys that have been much better but their age raises some significant questions

Now I am getting into the probably-maybe- idk area

Rhamondre, Gibbs, Sanders, Najee, Monty

If you are giving them asterisks for age then Swift gets one for health.

I think Najee, Monty, Rhamondre are clearly ahead of him.

I think guys like Gibbs, Sanders, and some other rookies and new starters will out perform him this year.

Talent wise he is probably top 10, but you have to be on the field.

 

[Ilov80s]

Rhamondre, Gibbs, Sanders, Najee, Monty

If you are giving them asterisks for age then Swift gets one for health.

I think Najee, Monty, Rhamondre are clearly ahead of him.

I think guys like Gibbs, Sanders, and some other rookies and new starters will out perform him this year.

Talent wise he is probably top 10, but you have to be on the field.

Ok but there's other guys on that list with health issues who need an asterisk or 2nd asterisk.


Lets say those guys you all say are for sure better than Swift. That is 20 RBs. Swift is still top 25.

 

[Moonlight]

Why is the guy who was the better back and drafted as the lead back in the #2 role?

He wasn't. Williams averaged 11.2 touches per game. Swift just got hurt so the raw totals are in Jamaal's favor.

I do not know where you are getting your numbers from. Williams averaged @ 16-17 touches.

And are you saying that Swift is going to be the lead back over Montgomery?

I’m looking at pro football reference. 16 games, 178 touches.

Swift and Monty will be 1A and 1B, just like last year.

Williams had over 260 rushing attempts alone last year based on pro football reference and he played 17 games

 

[msudaisy26]

Rhamondre, Gibbs, Sanders, Najee, Monty

If you are giving them asterisks for age then Swift gets one for health.

I think Najee, Monty, Rhamondre are clearly ahead of him.

I think guys like Gibbs, Sanders, and some other rookies and new starters will out perform him this year.

Talent wise he is probably top 10, but you have to be on the field.

Ok but there's other guys on that list with health issues who need an asterisk or 2nd asterisk.


Lets say those guys you all say are for sure better than Swift. That is 20 RBs. Swift is still top 25.

None of the guys you have the health concerns that Swift does. Cook just played 17 games, Henry is a beast and has only had one year where he was really injured . Kamara and Jones have only missed a handful of games in his career.

We all wanted Swift to be the guy, he just isn't.

I think guys like Herbert will be better than Swift, you didn't even list Mixon, you can't say Swift is better than Dobbins, Dameon Pierce, Rashiid White.

If you redrafted all the rbs in the NFL, Swift doesn't go top 25.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Just from a fantasy perspective, ESPN has both backs in the top 25 ppr for 2023. That's including rookies.

 

[Ilov80s]

Ok, here's post Jameson " Juice" Williams suspension

6. DE Tyree Wison- he's not really a guy I love but I think DL or QB is way to go
18. CB Deonte Banks
48. DT Keeanu Benton
56. WR Cedric Tillman
81. WR Jayden Reed

Who knows after that, certainly an OG.

 

[Ilov80s]

Why is the guy who was the better back and drafted as the lead back in the #2 role?

He wasn't. Williams averaged 11.2 touches per game. Swift just got hurt so the raw totals are in Jamaal's favor.

I do not know where you are getting your numbers from. Williams averaged @ 16-17 touches.

And are you saying that Swift is going to be the lead back over Montgomery?

I’m looking at pro football reference. 16 games, 178 touches.

Swift and Monty will be 1A and 1B, just like last year.

Williams had over 260 rushing attempts alone last year based on pro football reference and he played 17 games

Yep you are right. I am dumb lol

 

[Ilov80s]

Rhamondre, Gibbs, Sanders, Najee, Monty

If you are giving them asterisks for age then Swift gets one for health.

I think Najee, Monty, Rhamondre are clearly ahead of him.

I think guys like Gibbs, Sanders, and some other rookies and new starters will out perform him this year.

Talent wise he is probably top 10, but you have to be on the field.

Ok but there's other guys on that list with health issues who need an asterisk or 2nd asterisk.


Lets say those guys you all say are for sure better than Swift. That is 20 RBs. Swift is still top 25.

None of the guys you have the health concerns that Swift does. Cook just played 17 games, Henry is a beast and has only had one year where he was really injured . Kamara and Jones have only missed a handful of games in his career.

We all wanted Swift to be the guy, he just isn't.

I think guys like Herbert will be better than Swift, you didn't even list Mixon, you can't say Swift is better than Dobbins, Dameon Pierce, Rashiid White.

If you redrafted all the rbs in the NFL, Swift doesn't go top 25.

Many of those guys have been hurt. Cook has a shoulder issue that is never going away. CMC and Saquon just fell in fantasy due to injury history. I agree Swift isn't the guy we hoped he would be but he's still very good at his 10-12 touches a game in a Tony Pollard like role.

 

[msudaisy26]

Rhamondre, Gibbs, Sanders, Najee, Monty

If you are giving them asterisks for age then Swift gets one for health.

I think Najee, Monty, Rhamondre are clearly ahead of him.

I think guys like Gibbs, Sanders, and some other rookies and new starters will out perform him this year.

Talent wise he is probably top 10, but you have to be on the field.

Ok but there's other guys on that list with health issues who need an asterisk or 2nd asterisk.


Lets say those guys you all say are for sure better than Swift. That is 20 RBs. Swift is still top 25.

None of the guys you have the health concerns that Swift does. Cook just played 17 games, Henry is a beast and has only had one year where he was really injured . Kamara and Jones have only missed a handful of games in his career.

We all wanted Swift to be the guy, he just isn't.

I think guys like Herbert will be better than Swift, you didn't even list Mixon, you can't say Swift is better than Dobbins, Dameon Pierce, Rashiid White.

If you redrafted all the rbs in the NFL, Swift doesn't go top 25.

Many of those guys have been hurt. Cook has a shoulder issue that is never going away. CMC and Saquon just fell in fantasy due to injury history. I agree Swift isn't the guy we hoped he would be but he's still very good at his 10-12 touches a game in a Tony Pollard like role.

We aren't worried about fantasy. CMC and Saquon are still way better than Swift and despite Cook's shoulder he has been better than Swift, plus Cook just had surgery on that shoulder to hopefully help it.

 

[Ilov80s]

We aren't worried about fantasy. CMC and Saquon are still way better than Swift and despite Cook 's shoulder he has been better than Swift , plus Cook just had surgery on that shoulder to hopefully help it.

Of course they are better but they do have significant injury histories

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Ok, here's post Jameson " Juice" Williams suspension

6. DE Tyree Wison- he's not really a guy I love but I think DL or QB is way to go
18. CB Deonte Banks
48. DT Keeanu Benton
56. WR Cedric Tillman
81. WR Jayden Reed

Who knows after that, certainly an OG.

Better than a lot I've seen and not far from my list. I like Benton and Tillman in those spots. Maybe a LB or OG in the 81 spot.