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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Draft, FAs, trades? (25 Viewers)

Good news on the Jameson (don't call me Jenna) Williams front.

https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisburkenfl/status/1520151197226840075?s=21

Lions No. 12 pick WR Jameson Williams (ACL) said he expects to be ready for training camp.

Williams tore his ACL in the National Championship, which took place in January. Being ready for training camp would be a quick recovery, though it's a realistic timetable if everything goes well. The injury was expected to impact his rookie season, even if it doesn't directly cost him time. A return for training camp would leave his first NFL offseason mostly unscathed. If that is the case, he should be able to step into an immediate role as the Lions' primary field-stretcher and a high-impact playmaker. Williams' recovery will be monitored closely once training camp kicks off. 

 
One consistent theme the last two years is Holmes is keen on guys who are very athletic.

  • Hutch 9.88 RAS
  • Jameson - no measurables bc injury but 4.3/23 mph speed
  • Pascal 9.47 RAS
  • Joseph - Composite Explosion Grade "Great", 38.5" vertical
Six of the seven draft picks last year were among the most athletic in the class. 2nd most athletic Lions Draft Class since 2009.

 
Day 3 Lions outlook from Pride of Detroit:

The Lions have three picks remaining (177, 181, and 217) in the 2022 NFL Draft—barring any trades—and will likely be waiting a long time until they select their next player. Let’s take a look at some of the best remaining players available that the team could turn their focus to on Day 3.

Tight End

1. Cade Otton
2. Charlie Kolar
3. Daniel Bellinger
4. Isaiah Likely
5. Jake Ferguson
6. James Mitchell

The Lions didn’t get their tight end yet, but there are still plenty of decent options available if they decide to add some depth via the draft. Cade Otton is a guy that was expected to go on Day 2 but has slipped this far. I also really like James Mitchell in the later rounds. I wrote a bit about him earlier in the week.

If not for a torn ACL shortening his season, Mitchell would probably be in consideration for a late Day 2/early Day 3 pick. If he can stay healthy, he has the potential to earn some starting snaps and use his speed/route-running ability to create some mismatches.

Linebacker

1. Damone Clark
2. Brandon Smith
3. JoJo Domann
4. Malcolm Rodriguez

The Lions elected not to address their need at linebacker and are left with very few options remaining on Day 3. The two names that stand out the most are Damone Clark (who will likely miss all of the 2022 season) and Brandon Smith (elite athlete).

Cornerback

1. Coby Bryant
2. Tyriq Woolen
3. Joshua Williams
4. Jalyn Armour-Davis
5. Zyon McCollum

This list could get a lot longer as there are a lot of corners remaining that have draftable grades. Bryant and Woolen are two guys that were expected to see their names called on Day 2 and have lasted this long, so it’s unlikely that they’re there when the Lions are on the clock, but stranger things have happened. The Lions don’t have a glaring need at cornerback, but they could certainly use some more depth, and their coaching staff has already done a tremendous job of working with later-round picks and undrafted free agents.

Best of the rest

QB Sam Howell
RB Isaiah Spiller
RB Tyler Allgeier
RB Dameon Pierce
RB Kyren Williams
FB/TE Connor Heyward
WR Khalil Shakir
WR Calvin Austin III
WR Jalen Nailor
WR Justyn Ross
OG Jamaree Salyer
OG Darian Kinnard
S Delarrin Turner-Yell
S Tycen Anderson
S Smoke Monday
S Juanyeh Thomas

 
Quindarious has a 9.19 RAS

Fits the Holmes/MCDC profile, but I don't think we're doubling down on S

Hard to be real excited about today with only three late picks left

 
Reddit post from a month ago on the devaluation of ILB & Holmes/DC/AD/Dorsey (latter is gone now) LB draft history. Plus some Day 3 LB candidates.

(no one will read this but bookmark if you ever suffer insomnia)

Analyzing Brad Holmes and co.'s history with the ILB position

Not to overly generalize, but *most* of the Lions fans I've seen tend to believe that either Detroit should or will draft an inside linebacker early into the 2022 NFL Draft, noting the weakness of the position relative to some others. And with a [very promising group of linebackers available in this year's draft class,](https://www.pff.com/news/draft-top-2022-nfl-draft-rankings-linebackers-nakobe-dean-devin-lloyd) it seems like a perfect storm in many regards. 

However, before we jump the gun on this one, wanted to take a deep dive into why teams have started de-valuing ILB, and then evaluate the history of the Lions decision-makers to breakdown more *thoroughly* their valuation of the ILB position, in order that we may have a bit more expectation as to what they could be thinking. 

So first up, let's talk about **why teams de-value the ILB position** more than they used to.

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# Why Do Some Teams De-Value ILB?

There is a wide range of NFL GMs and decision-makers across the league who undervalue the inside linebacker position. Perhaps most notable here is Eagles GM Howie Roseman, who [has a history of "ignoring" the position](https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/howie-roseman-linebackers-rarely-devote-resources-nigel-bradham-jordan-hicks-kamu-grugier-hill) as fans would say, while several other teams have fallen into that category over the years. 

While no one would contend that there are no longer *star* linebackers, the weight and value that the inside, off-ball linebacker position carries is fading a bit. Maybe not drastically, but it is a position that several teams, such as the Eagles, Browns, Rams, and others, have simply refused to address with the level of investment many of their fans believe the team should be giving it. 

And for this, to some extents, we need to look at emerging trends, and the reflection of the RB position and ILB position. For the latter, here's a quote from [*Touchdown Wire*'s Michael Colangelo](https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2017/03/15/inside-linebacker-is-the-new-running-back-as-teams-dont-value-position-as-much-as-they-did-in-past/) from 2017:

>Sure, there are some running backs who will get paid, but most of the league sees the position as interchangeable. It’s almost a mirror reflection on the field. Use a big, pounding back on first and second downs, and sub in a speedy receiving back on third down and passing situations. Use a big, pounding linebacker on first and second down. Sub in a specialist on third and passing downs. 

Which is short to say, we do see this as a reflection across the league. Teams adapt and respond to the emerging trends, seeking to copy trends they like on offense, and finding new ways to adjust on defense. For example, from a roster management perspective, teams are employing more and more defensive backs than ever before. Even Matt Patricia could see as much, quoting [Lions Wire's Scott Warheit](https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/12/patricia-dont-call-the-lions-a-3-4-or-a-4-3-defense/) here:

>Calling the terms 4-3 and 3-4 “obsolete,” Patricia explained that teams spend so much time in “sub-packages” on defense that the old descriptions like 3-4 and 4-3 have lost their relevance. Patricia then went on to promote the “multiple” fronts the Lions often use on defense.

You can also see this in the way the Chiefs, consider the pinnacle of spread offensive innovation under Andy Reid, have gone about things. The Chiefs employed a fast-paced, RPO-centric offense that opened up big plays for speedy wide receivers. The response from defenses? Switching from a single-high shell (1 deep-lying free safety) to a more split scheme two-high shell (what the Lions have been running under Glenn) to give them a bit more ability to hide their true coverage, and prevent teams from burning them as frequently over the top. 

The same is happening with the linebacker position. Every defensive position has its offensive equivalent/rival. For WR's, the opposite is CB's. For QB's, the opposite is S. For OL, the opposite is DL. The off-ball linebacker position historically matched up against the running backs and tight ends, but again, as was mentioned in Colangelo's quote, the de-valuation of elite running backs has led to the de-valuation of elite inside linebackers. Running back has become a more specialist position, and tight ends are becoming more and more just "Big WR's", which shifts them more and more into the realm of being the opposites of safeties, not off-ball linebackers. While it's still true that having elite, effective, modern linebackers like a Fred Warner can be helpful, teams are also starting to see those as harder to come by, and instead are deploying more nickel defensive backs (a slot cornerback, a coverage/box safety, etc.).

So as the pieces they traditionally were responsible for shutting down change in their usage and value, so too does the valuation of the ILB position along with it. With the general de-emphasis on the run game, the off-ball linebacker position has become a specialist type role, with a more traditional run stopper on first and second down, and then third down seeing one of two trends: subbing off those ILBs for more coverage oriented players (extra DB, coverage OLB), or finding versatile ILBs who can double as 3rd down edge rushers (Patricia's style from the Patriots). 

Thus, the only *true* full-time players are either players who can be elite against the run in the box, cover sideline-to-sideline, and defend in coverage, like a Fred Warner or Luke Keuchley-type, *or* a guy who can slide down and provide much needed pass rush, such as a Micah Parsons or Dont'a Hightower-type. 

Again, this is just a breakdown of *why we are seeing teams doing this*, not a case for or against the Lions grabbing a linebacker early. 

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In this, I am seeking to merely look at what the Lions brain trust has done, in order to help us gauge *if* the Lions recent run on veteran free agent linebackers (Alex Anzalone, Chris Board, Jarrad Davis) signals they are done adding, or if history suggests they'll invest early with valuable picks, or if they'll instead go bargain hunting in the later rounds. And not only that, we'll also look at **what measurements and traits** they tend to prioritize, and try to find some common themes to identify players who could be targets. 

To do this, we're going to look at a couple of different teams and timeframes, notably:

* **Brad Holmes & Ray Agnew** (Los Angeles Rams, 2013-2020)
* **John Dorsey** (KC Chiefs, 2013-2017 // Cleveland Browns, 2017-2019 // Philadelphia Eagles, 2020)
* **Dan Campbell & Aaron Glenn** (New Orleans Saints, 2016-2020)

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# Draft Position Trend

**Los Angeles Rams** (Holmes & Agnew)

Again, going from 2013 until 2020 to reflect the timeframe that Holmes served as Director of College Scouting for the Rams, i.e. when he was in his position of greatest influence on the decisions ultimately made by Les Snead. 

Here's what you get:

|YEAR|DRAFT|PLAYER|SCHOOL|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|2013|1.30|Alec Ogletree|Georgia|
|2015|7.224|Bryce Hager|Baylor|
|2016|6.190|Josh Forrest|Kentucky|
|2018|5.147|Micah Kiser|Virginia|
|2019|7.251|Dakota Allen|Texas Tech|
|2020|7.234|Clay Johnston|Baylor|
|2021|4.113|Derrick Barnes|Purdue|

Some important notes to add here:

* The Rams had star ILB James Laurinitis already on the roster from 2013-2015, originally a second-round selection from the tenure of GM Billy Devaney. 
* The Rams also had another consistent starter in Mark Barron via a trade in 2014 that sent a 4th and 6th round pick to the Buccaneers for the former first-round pick. He started from 2014-2018 for the Rams. 
* The Rams also found a starting caliber LB in the UDFA ranks in 2016, signing Cory Littleton out of Washington, though he only started on defense in 2018 and 2019 before signing with the Raiders. 

**Kansas City Chiefs, Cleveland Browns** (John Dorsey)

Dorsey was general manager for two different teams, managing the Chiefs from 2013-2017, and then the Browns for the drafts of 2018-2019, before being fired.

|YEAR|DRAFT|PLAYER|SCHOOL|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|2013 (KC)|4.99|Nico Johnson|Alabama|
|2015 (KC)|4.118|Ramik Wilson|Georgia|
|2017 (KC)|5.183|Ukeme Eligwe|Georgia Southern|
|2018 (CLE)|5.150|Genard Avery|Memphis|
|2019 (CLE)|5.155|Mack Wilson|Alabama|

* When Dorsey took over, the Chiefs already had longtime starter Derrick Johnson, a first-round pick from 2005, on the roster. 
* Dorsey also had several one-year deals to find starters opposite of Johnson, such as Akeem Jordan (2013) and Joe Mays (2014), and then a longer deal with Josh Mauga (2014-2016). 
* Dorsey also found a starting inside linebacker in the UDFA ranks, signing Akron LB Justin March-Lillard to the roster. 

**New Orleans Saints** (Campbell & Glenn)

I'm including the head coach and defensive coordinator because Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes have talked about how they use a collaborative approach between the two of them, so both Campbell's background, and Glenn's input as far as scheme fits and such should also be factored in from 2016-2020. 

However, should also be noted, both Campbell and Glenn were merely *position* coaches in New Orleans (though Campbell did hold AHC title), so suggesting too heavily on their input would be equivalent to say Duce Staley and Aubrey Pleasant are deciding our current draft trends. 

|YEAR|DRAFT|PLAYER|SCHOOL|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|2017|3.76|Alex Anzalone|Florida|
|2019|7.244|Kaden Elliss|Idaho|
|2020|3.74|Zack Baun|Wisconsin|

* The New Orleans Saints did actually *pay* for starting caliber linebackers in free agency as well, signing A.J. Klein (3-years, $15 million) and Demario Davis (3-years, $24 million) to starting caliber contracts, and Davis signed an extension in 2020 for 3-years, $27 million. 

**Overall Draft Trend:**

|Influencer|Avg. Draft Position|Avg. LBs Per Draft|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Brad Holmes & Ray Agnew|169.9|.77|
|Dan Campbell & Aaron Glenn|179.3|.60|
|John Dorsey|141.0|.71|

So the overall average between these five trends is **152.5**, which equates an early fifth-round selection in the 2022 Draft. The Lions do not have their original fifth-round pick (5.145), trading it to the Broncos for WR Trinity Benson. Around that average position, the Lions have a late-third round compensatory selection (3.97) and a late-fifth round compensatory selection (5.177). 

This actually provides a nice simple cut off for the Lions. Those first five selections in the top-100 are spots they can find impact pieces (players who will be expected to start/contribute either right away or during their second season), and the more depth/developmental spots in Day 3, where they have four selections. 

But before we speculate further, let's speculate some more on a slightly different topic?

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# What has Holmes done as the Lions GM?

A great question to ask ourselves, because while the trends of the Lions brain trust previously *are* important, as we saw under Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia, and with so many others across the league, it isn't the end all be all, because Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell were merely part of the process in their previous roles, but are now the independent decision-makers here in their new roles. 

So let's evaluate a couple of things. 

[Cowboys LB Micah Parsons was almost a member of the Detroit Lions. ](https://preview.redd.it/srdix5t7ajq81.png?width=560&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5086615c8193b83266083c7add566f8a74c7098)

**(1.) Detroit showed serious interest in draft an inside linebacker in Round 1 of the 2021 NFL Draft**. 

As mentioned, I was a huge advocate for drafting Penn State ILB Micah Parsons, and it looks like the Lions decision-makers  [more or less agreed with me](https://twitter.com/JeffRisdon/status/1488856804096450563?s=20&t=hwy0v5_mWyxvWrJV836_sw) on him being worth the investment of the seventh-overall selection. Had the slightly *more* well-regarded Penei Sewell not fallen to Detroit on Draft Day, then the Lions would likely have landed Parsons. 

But, we do need to be careful in simply assuming that the Lions interest in Parsons de facto implies that they value ILB heavily. As I mentioned in the "why teams de-value LB" section, the only guys who really can be full-time players these days, are guys who can provide value on 3rd down as well, and Parsons is an [electric pass rusher](https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/lb-or-de-makes-no-difference-to-micah-parsons) who tallied 13.0 sacks and 20.0 tackles for loss in his rookie season, clearly giving exceptional value there. 

Additionally, you can see this as well with the other players who were drafted *heavily* in the backgrounds/histories above. 

In Holmes first year as a top lieutenant in the Rams front office, they selected ILB Alec Ogletree, and go ahead and read what [scouting reports](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1609892-alec-ogletree-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-georgia-lb) on him coming out of Georgia said:

>A former safety who outgrew the position, [Alec Ogletree](http://bleacherreport.com/alec-ogletree) is one of the best athletes in the draft regardless of position. Ogletree possesses every physical asset imaginable to be an All-Pro linebacker. He still plays like a defensive back and it may take a couple of years before he is an every-down player, but he should make an instant impact as a sub linebacker who can match pass-catching running backs and tight ends who detach from the formation and line up as receivers.

So right there, you have a player whose third-down talent is as a coverage guy, *even* covering flexed tight ends, like I mentioned. Another one to notice is former Saints third-round linebacker selection Zack Baun, [here's some words on him from Lance Zeirlein:](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/zack-baun/32004241-5567-7316-c31c-c66079e71b79)

>Ascending prospect whose explosive production on the field has begun to mirror his explosive athletic traits. Baun's twitchy get-off and deep bend at the edge is nightmare fuel for Big Ten tackles and he's still at the early stages of pass rush development. He is aggressive to flow downhill in run support, has sideline-to-sideline range and is fluid dropping into coverage. He's strong but a little light as an edge-setter so teams will need to figure out how best to align him. Baun is a scheme-diverse linebacker with high-impact potential whose best days are ahead of him. 

Baun holds the opposite traits there, with a comparison to Kyle Van Noy, you can see that he fits the mold of "third down can be an extra pass rusher off the edge" (though Baun does have some ability in coverage, though not enough to be considered a third-down coverage linebacker, more like a "trustworthy to cover tight ends on first down" type of thing). 

So, the trends here are that the Lions may show interest early if the player has a very clear role to become a full-time player. It's less about being well-rounded in that regards, because players like Parsons and Ogletree fall less into the "well-rounded" category, and more into the "really darn good at two things, but less so on a third". The roles need to be clearly there for them. 

**(2.) Brad Holmes did just invest** ***relatively*** **heavily on the ILB position last season in Derrick Barnes.**

Not only did the Lions select Purdue LB Derrick Barnes at 113th overall, almost a full-round higher than the average that Holmes was a part of in LA, but they also traded a *future* fourth-round pick as well to grab him. By the standard that Holmes came from, the Lions invested fairly heavily in Derrick Barnes. And for good reason, as Detroit really likes the upside that Barnes brings to the table. 

Note the response Holmes gave about Barnes during [an end of the season press conference:](https://lionswire.usatoday.com/lists/detroit-lions-brad-holmes-press-conference-season-nfl-draft-notes/)

>Then with Barnes, another fourth-rounder, a guy that we were high on that we loved. You’ve got to think Barnes – look, he was playing linebacker his first year last year at Purdue. He was learning how to play linebacker last year. So, then he makes the jump to the NFL and he’s still learning how to play linebacker. Now I will say, the growth that he’s made from the start of the season till just this past game has been tremendous with (Inside Linebackers Coach) Mark (DeLeone) doing a great job with him. (Special Assistant to President/CEO and Chairperson) Chris (Spielman) has been doing a great job with him. I’m encouraged by the growth that he’s shown. I’ll just say though, the play that he got the touchdown caught on him on the boot that slid out, probably about four or five weeks ago he would have not even probably recognized that coming, but he did.  
>  
>So, just little nuances like that where you saw the growth and development in his game. I think the future is bright for him as well.

So by all accounts, the Lions do have one player they seem to believe *will* become a key piece for them. Now, that isn't to be confused with Barnes actually *being* a key piece for them, as you really shouldn't let someone's not-established upside get in the way of a genuine upgrade. Barnes does factor here, especially for 2022, but the long-term standing has yet to be decided. 

**(3.) The Lions did add multiple players around Barnes with either starting experience, or upside to be a starter in various roles**. 

First and foremost, Detroit kicked things off by re-signing Alex Anzalone to a 1-year deal worth about $2.2 million. Second, the Lions [had interest in signing former Rams/Raiders ILB Cory Littleton](https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/lions-wanted-linebacker-cory-littleton), but missed out on him. That perhaps led to their next move or two, signing Ravens ILB Chris Board to similar deal to Anzalone's, a 1-year, $2.0 million deal with half of it guaranteed. Those deals put them at 52nd (Anzalone) and 54th (Board) in the league by average, which given that most teams still start 2 inside linebackers in their nickel packages anyways, constitutes *low-end starter money* at the position. 

The other move that they made was adding former Lions first-round pick Jarrad Davis back to the roster, though his contract is as a veteran minimum. But, it is for a player with immense athletic upside, and plenty of starting experience. 

Looking at this, Detroit did do quite a bit of work to add starting caliber experience, and various skillsets to their room, bringing in Anzalone's instincts and familiarity with the scheme, Board's upside in coverage and special teams ability, and Davis' speed and physicality. As mentioned, with the ILB becoming more situational and rotational, having several guys with unique skillsets is important in that. 

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# Conclusion Thoughts on Lions Valuation & Need

Again, these are just my thoughts after laying out some important pieces and factors and trying to sift through those and evaluate. 

Overall, I do think that the background that the Lions decision-makers employ does tend to **hold a lower opinion of the ILB position** than a lot of fans would. Now, again, the did show a willingness to invest heavily in guys before (Parsons, Ogletree), but that requires some remarkable abilities aside from standard two-down inside linebackers. 

Now personally, looking at this through the lens of where the Lions might draft an inside linebacker, my personal opinion is that most of the background and roster composition suggests that **Detroit isn't going to add a linebacker until the fifth-round or later**. Again, just my take, you're welcome to disagree, but the Lions have about four players who can loosely be considered "starting talents" in Anzalone, Barnes, Davis, and Board. Now, are they great starters? By no means. But the Rams haven't really needed that, instead preferring to find players that can fit clear roles and not break the bank allowing them to invest at more crucial positions like pass rushers (Aaron Donald, Leonard Floyd, Von Miller) and in the secondary (Jalen Ramsey, drafted a multitude of other DBs as well). 

I will also add a major caveat: This year has a very deep group of developmental linebackers. This is the first class where we are really starting to see the idea of modern linebackers becoming the norm, rather than the more traditional thumpers. So, while the valuation hasn't always been high, you could argue that there are more options that provide that value earlier than they consider the two-down thumpers to hold, and that could prompt them to add a linebacker fairly early. 

I think I'd phrase it like this:

* My expectation is that the Lions won't address the ILB position until the fifth-round (5.177, 6.181, 6.217, 6.235)
* A selection of a linebacker in the third-round (3.66, 3.97) wouldn't surprise me.
* A selection of a linebacker earlier than that (1.02, 1.32, 2.34) would be *very* surprising. 

Overall, I hope people can see how and why I am coming to that opinion, not merely because it is what I *want* to happen, but rather, a conclusion after trying to evaluate a handful of factors and criteria previously demonstrated. 

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# Building a Profile for Who Fits?

Another thing I did was read thru multiple scouting reports on some of the guys the Rams drafted, and the college scouting reports on guys the Lions have signed, to try and identify some common themes. So let's discuss those and which 2022 prospects seem like natural fits there. 

**Lions Need**

First thing to note here is what the Lions actually need. They tend to deploy two inside linebackers, a full-time backer who plays a little more traditional and downhill (MIKE), and then a coverage-oriented guy (WILL). With a switch to a 4-man front, I don't think that's going to change a ton, but if it does, it'd probably lead towards finding a bit more run-focused guy at the WILL spot. Not disregarding the pass coverage aspect, because adding someone like Chris Board implies they *want* that still, but just noting that going from a 3-4 to a 4-2 does remove a player from the front, meaning there's more run responsibility from the WILL linebacker. 

With Derrick Barnes, Jarrad Davis, and Alex Anzalone, the Lions are likely set at the MIKE inside linebacker position, though Anzalone can double as an earlier down WILL, especially in a shift to a 4-man front. So lose depth chart like this:

|MIKE:|Alex Anzalone\*|Derrick Barnes|Jarrad Davis|Curtis Bolton|Anthony Pittman|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|WILL:|Alex Anzalone\*|Chris Board|Josh Woods|Shaun Dion Hamilton|Tavante Beckett|

Essentially, Anzalone can start wherever, especially early, and either Barnes or Board operates as the second starter depending on down, opposing scheme, etc. and then roles for Jarrad Davis and Josh Woods to see time, and likely be special teams contributors. 

**Common Traits/Themes**

So there's two ways we need to go about this. The first is the themes for the *highly* valued linebackers (Rounds 1-3), and the second is the themes for the *lesser* valued linebackers (Rounds 4-7). 

The early drafted ILBs tend to have a focus of:

* Elite athleticism is a priority. The RAS scores for these guys are all very high, such as Micah Parson's 9.59,  Alex Anzalone's 8.03, Zack Baun's 7.85, Alec Ogletree's 7.24. 
* Specifically **lateral quickness** is a common theme in these scouting reports. Guys who can change directions in a hurry and move side-to-side very well. 
* Also a high value for their **instinctive ability, namely reacting in the box**. 
* And of course, possess an ***elite*** **additional trait**, either as a pass rusher, blitzer, or coverage guy. Not someone who has the upside to be that, but someone who is.
   * Important note here: Holmes' background shows a higher willingness to take guys early who are developmental about playing in the box, but not a willingness to take guys who are developmental about their additional elite trait. 
   * For example, Parsons and Ogletree were both new converts to the ILB position and thus, a little raw about the specifics of playing in the box, but Parsons *was* an exceptional blitzer and pass rusher, and Ogletree *was* an excellent coverage piece coming out of college. 
      * There is a difference there I hope people can understand. 

As for the lesser valued ILBs, those tend to focus more on:

* Their ability to **play the run physically in the box**. 
* **Tackling** becomes a major priority for the second-tier guys. 
* **Football IQ** is a commonly mentioned trait for a lot of these guys, as is **leadership**. 
* **Athleticism** remains a high(ish) concerns, but more flexible. For example...
   * High athleticism: Micah Kiser (8.43), Derrick Barnes (8.42), Bryce Hager (7.62), Chris Board (7.02)
   * Average athleticism: Dakota Allen (6.03), Mack Wilson (5.24), Clay Johnston (no RAS, but profiled as avg.)
   * Low athleticism: Nico Johnson (4.08), Ramik Wilson (4.02), Josh Forrest (3.37)

With Holmes, he tends to go with higher athleticism, the lower numbers are more Dorsey's doing, but the lowest one (Forrest) did come from Holmes. 

So here I am going to list some candidates who really fit well. 

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# Good Fits // Early Investment

[Muma probably aligns with the estimated Lions checklist best. ](https://preview.redd.it/8w54zbkzojq81.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=a8f1edf84aa7f63cd2c4c4a75c09f03b32b6cee1)

First name up that fits the Lions profile is **Chad Muma** out of Wyoming. I think his tackling form is super inconsistent and could be an issue, but he fits very similarly to that mold of Alec Ogletree. Very polished and good in coverage, inconsistent technique inside the box, but the upside due to some elite athleticism (9.75 RAS) and great size to go with it at 6'3, 239 lbs. [Here's a link to Lance Zeirlein's profile on him.](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/chad-muma/32004d55-4d06-9215-fcf3-825af014060d) If Muma slide to the Lions at 3.66, that's the sort of high investment I think they'd have a hard time passing up, but otherwise, not sold on them drafting one early. 

In a similar mold, Penn State linebacker **Brandon Smith** also fits that same mold, possessing elite coverage ability as a hang linebacker (similar to how the Lions like to use their coverage LB), and an absurdly impressive 9.98u RAS score. [Here's a link to Bleacher Report's profile on him.](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10021395-brandon-smith-nfl-draft-2022-scouting-report-for-penn-state-lb) Biggest issue is he's not great playing downhill according to multiple scouting reports, including my own. 

The fit for FCS star **Troy Andersen** is a little murkier. He has that converted background that Holmes liked with Ogletree and Parsons, but like I said, doesn't have that elite, established trait to go along his development as an in-the-box linebacker. He's a former RB/QB, so he's very raw at just about everything. So he's a solid fit, but not a great fit. [Here's a link to The Draft Network's profile on him.](https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/troy-andersen/T42onfs21z) 

I'd also add similar values for the two *other* Georgia linebackers, **Quay Walker** and **Channing Tindall**. I love Tindall's upside as a WILL linebacker next to Barnes long-term, but again, he doesn't exactly fit the early investment mold, as he's more of a well-rounded guy with some upside in coverage, but not exactly the instant caliber that you see with a Parsons or Ogletree type player. Walker probably fits better as a situational edge rusher, thanks to a tremendous blend of size (6'4, 241 lbs.) and athleticism (9.61 RAS), but the issue is it's hard to get a true gauge for his ability as an edge rusher because UGA rarely needed him to do that thanks to an embarrassment of riches with Azeez Ojulari, Nolan Smith, and Travon Walker in recent memory. So both solid, not great fits. 

And you're probably wondering about the top two backers right? **Nakobe Dean** and **Devin Lloyd**? It's a weird dichotomy because Lloyd fits the profile a bit better, as a highly athletic (9.57 RAS) linebacker with excellent abilities blitzing and [rushing off the edge.](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/devin-lloyd/32004c4c-4f33-9464-66e8-761a50bda0c2) But he's a traditional MIKE, which means he overlaps with the less-needed position for Detroit. Dean fits the needs better (can play WILL), but doesn't really profile super well as an early investment piece, as his best abilities are in the box, and the upside is with the secondary tool. Add in some [lateral stiffness in his hips affecting change of direction,](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10021389-channing-tindall-nfl-draft-2022-scouting-report-for-georgia-lb) and the fit is inconsistent. So ultimately, great players, but also murky fits based on needs and profile. 

Ultimately, if we are basing this solely on Detroit *needing* to find players who fit both the need and the profile, then Chad Muma and Brandon Smith are the only ones who pass *both* those tests with flying colors. Now as a side note, teams can break tendencies for elite talents, and I'm not arguing that Detroit *wouldn't* consider it, just saying there isn't anything in Holmes' background that really pushes them as options for fitting the standard mold (usually the safest bet!). 

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# Good Fits // Later Investment

Now talking about later-round guys, the ones I'd suggest are more realistic options for Detroit. 

LSU linebacker **Damone Clark** is an excellent fit for what the Lions are looking for, and also has a lot of connections to the Lions, whether via his time working with them at the Senior Bowl, or being coached by Lions' new ILB coach Kelvin Sheppard at LSU. However, [Clark is undergoing spinal fusion surgery](https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/24/2022-nfl-draft-prospect-damone-clark-lsu-injury-status-spinal-fusion-surgery/) which throws a serious wrench into his evaluation, and is overall a very crappy thing to hear. I reached out to a couple of sports science/doctors to ask their opinions on this sort of injury, and three of the four of them suggested that it is likely [far more serious than some are treating it,](https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/3/25/22995686/friday-open-thread-detroit-lions-consider-drafting-linebacker-lsu-damone-clark-2022-nfl-draft) as far as Clark's playing career. The gist of it is that when you have to fuse two vertebrae together it puts a lot of stress on the remaining ones, so that leaves you at massive risk for further fusions needed, or the risk of a hit separating the two fused vertebrae and risking horrible long-term effects. Not a doctor so that's just my takeaway from talking with some. Feel terrible for Clark, as it really looks like undrafted is the most likely scenario at this point, pending further specifics. 

[Bernard could be a solid late-round option at WILL. ](https://preview.redd.it/cvrj1bjzujq81.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=7e28bea5aef4652ce2033cfa1d05eea19abbaaa3)

I mentioned him earlier, but one dude who fits *really* well for that later round profile is Baylor linebacker **Terrel Bernard**, a 6'1, 225 lbs. WILL linebacker who profiles as an [undersized sub-package nickel linebacker with special teams value on the next level".](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/terrel-bernard/32004245-5223-6424-136f-901f81674ee9) I watched two games, and tend to agree. His scouting reports all tend to list other promising factors like excellent leadership and character and work ethic. He tested as a good athlete (7.39 RAS) and also is a solid tackler and processor. 

Indiana linebacker **Micah McFadden** also [fits the mold and profile for a MIKE linebacker](https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/micah-mcfadden) quite well as a Day 3 option. Similar to Derrick Barnes, he's physical and good in the box, and can offer *some* upside/usage as a situational pass rusher, but not a complete all-around piece, relegating him to the later rounds most likely. 

[A&M linebacker Aaron Hansford profiles quite well for Detroit. ](https://preview.redd.it/l9qn2b6wujq81.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=0a1087b3360f5c56e0c46096029098630d95df8d)

One name that hasn't garnered much buzz but could is a player out of Dan Campbell's alma mater, A&M linebacker **Aaron Hansford**. He's a bit bigger (6'3, 240 lbs.) but has decent athleticism (7.54 RAS) and profiles a bit generically like Jarrad Davis, with great athleticism, blitzing, and upside, but a need to process things a little sharper to be useful. His coverage took a sizeable leap forward in 2021 according to PFF as well. Sharp tackler as well. Can hit with consistency and force. Probably a MIKE, but reminds me of Anzalone a bit. 

Just some quicker bullets:

* Think UNC's **Jeremiah Gemmel** has a decent fit, with solid instincts, tackling, and coverage upside. Fits nicely as a WILL option on Day 3. 
* Ole Miss' **Chance Campbell** really helped himself at the Combine with a 9.67 RAS in testing. Good size and ability in the box. Can possibly develop into starter and excellent special-teamer. 
* Illinois' **Jake Hansen** reminds me a bit of Troy Reeder on film, profiling as a productive college LB who has a good feel for the game, but lacks the ability to be more than a two-down piece on the inside. Injury concerns though. 

One to note/mention: Penei's brother **Nephi Sewell** could be an interesting addition as [nickel linebacker](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/nephi-sewell/32005345-5744-0460-78e0-ad2f28ed6cef) but not a great fit for the mold mentioned above as he's very bad in the box, and Detroit's tended to prefer a genuine slot cornerback or nickel safety rather than a "Space LB", so I don't think he'll actually garner much consideration unless the Lions are looking to change things while pursuing a feel-good story. 

**Conclusion:** If you're reading this, thanks for sticking it out with me. This is a ton to digest, but been working on this project for a few weeks now. But I greatly appreciate it, and would love to answer any questions.
Tremendous find Bobby Layne.

 
TE James Mitchell another guy that went later/cheaper because of his injury. When back,  he should give the Lions a decent 2 TE set.
Looks like a keeper and better than our present backup TEs. Starter potential. Nice job by Holmes
Had decent productIon ‘19 & ‘20 but his blocking is what might keep him on the field. Lions ran a ton of jumbo with Nelson as the 6th lineman, I imagine Ben Johnson will run a lot of 12 formations.

Malcolm Rodriguez draft profile - this guy has good potential. 

 
Good news on the Jameson (don't call me Jenna) Williams front.

https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisburkenfl/status/1520151197226840075?s=21

Lions No. 12 pick WR Jameson Williams (ACL) said he expects to be ready for training camp.

Williams tore his ACL in the National Championship, which took place in January. Being ready for training camp would be a quick recovery, though it's a realistic timetable if everything goes well. The injury was expected to impact his rookie season, even if it doesn't directly cost him time. A return for training camp would leave his first NFL offseason mostly unscathed. If that is the case, he should be able to step into an immediate role as the Lions' primary field-stretcher and a high-impact playmaker. Williams' recovery will be monitored closely once training camp kicks off. 
Please be careful with him. Lions have not had such a dynamic receiver since Calvin. He will want to rush himself back.

 
Yeah that straight line stuff is nice to hear but you can walk & jog with a torn ACL. It’s the cutting where start putting stress on it. I know recovery times are shorter than they used to be but they’ll want to build his strength up fully before asking too much from from.

Healthy Jameson probably goes to 5. Tremendous move by Holmes, cost us very little. Think I read where the Bears gave up a future 1st to move up 10 spots last year..

 
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Yeah that straight line stuff is nice to hear but you can walk & jog with a torn ACL. It’s the cutting where start putting stress on it. I know recovery times are shorter than they used to be but they’ll want to build his strength up fully before asking too much from from.

Healthy Jameson probably goes to 5. Tremendous move by Holmes, cost us very little. Think I read where the Bears gave up a future 1st to move up 10 spots last year..
True, the east west is going to take time to come back. But his start stop start looks outstanding. Like a sports car approaching a red light and then taking off as it turns green.

 
six defensive players in eight picks, three of whom are pass rushers.

James Houston postdraft interview

played for Deion Sanders - he'll fit right into the Lions locker room

overwhelmed offensive lineman at Jacksonville State with a good first step and good power and leverage. Tallied 16.5 sacks last season. Played more off the ball at Florida:

 
Another good draft for the Lions. Love the first round picks. Can't wait to see Hard Knocks with Dan Campbell. Pulling for him to get to see this rebuild through.

 
PFF gave three A+ grades for the NFL Draft.

Baltimore
Detroit
Kansas City

Guys…our front office knows what the #### they’re doing. For like the first time in my life.

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PFF Draft Report

DETROIT LIONS

R1 (2) — EDGE Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
R1 (12) — WR Jameson Williams, Alabama
R2 (46) —  EDGE Josh Pachal, Kentucky
R3 (97) — S Kerby Joseph, Illinois
R5 (177) — TE James Mitchell, Virginia Tech
R6 (188) — LB Malcolm Rodriguez, Oklahoma State
R6 (217) — EDGE James Houston IV, Jackson State
R7 (237) — CB Chase Lucas, Arizona State

Day 1: The Lions gladly take the hometown Hutchinson falling into their laps. The Michigan product has been labeled as the “high floor, lower ceiling” prospect of the top group of edge defenders, but that may be underselling his upside. The only edge rushers drafted in the first round over the last five drafts with a higher overall PFF grade in college than Hutchinson are Chase Young, Nick Bosa and Myles Garrett. The high-end production and athleticism are both there in a versatile 6-foot-7, 268-pound frame.

Detroit also made a massive move up the board for Williams, who is a game-changing talent when healthy. No one else in this class sniffs Williams’ speed or movement skills. You don’t need to look much further than what he was able to do to Georgia’s defense to see the kind of impact that he can have. In 2021, Williams tied Ja’Marr Chase’s 2019 record for the most 50-plus-yard receiving touchdowns since 2014. Williams teams up with second-year wideout Amon-Ra St. Brown to give the Lions two building blocks to work with at receiver.

Day 2: Detroit is beefing up the defensive front with Aidan Hutchinson in Round 1 and now Paschal in Round 2. The Kentucky Wildcat was quietly one of the highest-graded edge defenders in the country this past season with a 90.0 overall mark. Paschal is a strong, explosive player who can play on the interior and the edge. He may be a tad stiff and can get out of control from time to time, but this is good value for an all-around solid player.

Joseph is still very much learning the safety position, but he has uncoachable ball skills and length. He’s also such an easy mover and should get looks at split-field safety and in the box in Detroit. He just needs more experience at the position to really develop into a legitimate starter in the league.

Day 3: Mitchell was a hit as a sophomore in 2019 when he proved to be one of the best big-play tight ends in the country. He averaged 17.2 yards per reception that season. With Dalton Keene out of the picture in 2020, Mitchell started to be featured more while still maintaining a high 17.3 yards per reception average. With high hopes for his draft potential in 2021, Mitchell unfortunately went down with a torn ACL in Week 2 against Middle Tennessee State.

Draft Grade: A+

 
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Day 3: Mitchell was a hit as a sophomore in 2019 when he proved to be one of the best big-play tight ends in the country. He averaged 17.2 yards per reception that season. With Dalton Keene out of the picture in 2020, Mitchell started to be featured more while still maintaining a high 17.3 yards per reception average. With high hopes for his draft potential in 2021, Mitchell unfortunately went down with a torn ACL in Week 2 against Middle Tennessee State.
Interesting note. Always looking for a sleeper TE

 
UDFA signings

WR Kalil Pimpleton, Central Michigan 
DT Demetrius Taylor, Appalachian State
RB Greg Bell, San Diego State
OT Obinna Eze, TCU
WR Corey Sutton, Appalachian State
TE Nolan Given, Southeastern Louisiana
WR Josh Johnson, Tulsa
TE Derrick Deese Jr., San Jose State
CB Cedric Boswell, Miami Ohio

Last year alone, the Lions got significant contributions out of UDFAs Jerry Jacobs, AJ Parker, and Brock Wright. Craig Reynolds - 4th team in three years - was another UDFA who saw the field for the first time.

Jacobs PFF grade of 65.8 was 5th highest amongst rookie CBs - three of the four guys in front of him were 1st round picks. He had the highest grade of any rookie UDFA in the NFL last year. Reynolds graded out at an impressive 76.5, including the highest RB grade of Week 14. 

When injuries pile up (as they do every year) quality UDFA signings are huge.

 
No reason at all for Williams to rush back. Chark is there on the 1 year deal and Chark/Amon Ra/Reynolds/Raymond/Hockenson/Cephus really isn’t that bad. Throw Williams into the mix and it actually becomes an excellent WR room tbh. 
 

At this point I’m almost worrying about how we add the final piece of QB in ‘23 if that is indeed the route we are going down ? How many games will this team win next season ? Some progression to 5-6 wins would probably be the correct blend of moving in the right direction and being able to have the ammo to nab a top guy. 5-12 Carolina and 6-11 Chicago yielded the 6th and 7th picks this year. 7-10 covered picks 8 down to 11.
 

Now Stafford has one in the bag, I feel a lot better about wishing nothing but terrible terrible luck down upon the Rams and hopefully getting a better 2nd 1st rounder in ‘23. 

 
Well the local 3rd string radio blowhard hates the trade. That takes me from semi confident to fully confident that it was the right move.

 
Yeah that straight line stuff is nice to hear but you can walk & jog with a torn ACL. It’s the cutting where start putting stress on it. I know recovery times are shorter than they used to be but they’ll want to build his strength up fully before asking too much from from.

Healthy Jameson probably goes to 5. Tremendous move by Holmes, cost us very little. Think I read where the Bears gave up a future 1st to move up 10 spots last year..
Absolutely no rush. Chark and Jamo are really similar in body size and and speed. He can provide that deep threat for as long as Jamo needs.

six defensive players in eight picks, three of whom are pass rushers.

James Houston postdraft interview

played for Deion Sanders - he'll fit right into the Lions locker room

overwhelmed offensive lineman at Jacksonville State with a good first step and good power and leverage. Tallied 16.5 sacks last season. Played more off the ball at Florida:
I think I saw Houston was a 5 star recruit who went to FSU initially. Now we do have to wonder why he couldn’t make it work there but he’s got major upside. I love this draft.

 
Well the local 3rd string radio blowhard hates the trade. That takes me from semi confident to fully confident that it was the right move.
Its a great trade. Helps open up everything underneath, lengthens the field to defend. Offense has quick strike capability with Chark and Williams. More chunk plays and less grinding it out. 

Lions did not draft a QB and didn't even sign a UDFA QB. Its sink or swim for Goff. Lions have left the door open for him to seize the job without distractions. 

Lions wanted Williams over the other receivers. Getting Williams at the price they paid for him was brilliant.

Masterful strokes combined with some luck are things Lions fans are just not used to. A cultural change is happening.

 
Agreed, great trade and great draft. You don't have to chuck the ball 50 yards down the field to take advantage of Williams' speed and explosiveness. Hit him on some 15-yard crosses and slants and let him outrun the defense to the endzone.

Goff can do that very well if he has time.

 
I think I saw Houston was a 5 star recruit who went to FSU initially. Now we do have to wonder why he couldn’t make it work there but he’s got major upside. I love this draft.
U of F - got his degree in Gainesville, then did a year at an HBCU bc he wanted playing time. He also had a lot of family who went to HBCUs + wanted to play for Deion. Different xfer rules bc COVID.

(COVID eligibility is wack - for example,  Lew Nichols III, leading FBS rusher last year, was a redshirt freshman who played parts of 2 seasons + 2021. He could have declared for the draft, OR transferred for 2 more at a Power 5, OR stay at CMU for 3 more.)

Was actually a 3 star recruit, missed his senior year in h.s. bc of torn ACL. Interestingly, played for Patrick Surtain Sr as a prep star.

Reserve ILB as a Gator but somewhat productive (103 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 11.5 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles in 35 games over 3 years.) Played Edge at Jax State, 16.5 sacks & 6 forced fumbles in his only season.

My general impression of James Houston IV is all around high quality dude. Great family, intellectual, future looks bright. Might not be awesome at football, 6th rounders have an uphill slog. He’s definitely an interesting cat, on and off the field.

If he makes the squad he’ll be a special teamer. Practice squad seems more likely? Def an intriguing player with upside. 

 
I was surprised QB Carson Strong went undrafted. He was my top QB in a very weak class. Eagles signed him as a UDFA but I wish the Lions would have given him a look. Maybe they did.

 
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I was surprised QB Carson Strong went undrafted. He was my top QB in a very weak class. Eagles signed him as a UDFA but I wish the Lions would have given him a look. Maybe they did.
I think the medicals are really bad. He has a rare disorder that impacts his cartilage. He’s had several surgeries on his knees already. Sadly, he might not be able to last too long in pro sports.

 
Agreed, great trade and great draft. You don't have to chuck the ball 50 yards down the field to take advantage of Williams' speed and explosiveness. Hit him on some 15-yard crosses and slants and let him outrun the defense to the endzone.

Goff can do that very well if he has time.


Let be honest.  Many drafts look good on paper.  Takes 2-3 years to fully grade a draft, see how players develop or don`t.   #1 might be so-so, but #3 is playing like a #1 and it is a wash.

The key is and how teams have success in the NFL is hitting on the #3-4-5 guys that are cheap and produce.

 
Let be honest.  Many drafts look good on paper.  Takes 2-3 years to fully grade a draft, see how players develop or don`t.   #1 might be so-so, but #3 is playing like a #1 and it is a wash.

The key is and how teams have success in the NFL is hitting on the #3-4-5 guys that are cheap and produce.
This is true. Go back and look at past drafts. Many of the top picks don't pan out. Look at the 2005 draft with Aaron Rodgers for example. There were some great players in round 1 but over 50% were busts. Round 2 was even worse. Round 3 had a couple gems like Gore. But most of the draft was a talent wasteland.

 
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This is true. Go back and look at past drafts. Many of the top picks don't pan out. Look at the 2005 draft with Aaron Rodgers for example. There were some great players in round 1 but over 50% were busts. Round 2 was even worse. And the rest of the draft was a wasteland.




That is pretty much every draft.   Just think when we play FF, after 4 weeks the draft would be totally different.

 
Okudah's progress

what are we looking at for the 53-man this fall?

QB: Jared Goff
Tim Boyle, David Blough

RB: D’Andre Swift
Jamaal Williams
Jermar Jefferson
Godwin Igwebuike?
Jason Cabinda (FB/TE)

WR: Jameson Williams
WR: DJ Chark
WR: Amon-Ra St. Brown
Quintez Cephus, Kalif Raymond, Josh Reynolds
Tom Kennedy?

TE: TJ Hockenson
Garrett Griffin, James Mitchell
Brock Wright?

LT: Taylor Decker
LG: Jonah Jackson
C Frank Ragnow
RG: Halapoulivaati Vaitai
RT: Penei Sewell
Matt Nelson, Evan Brown, Tommy Kraemer
Ryan McCollum, Logan Stenberg?

DT: Michael Brockers
DT: Alim McNeil
DT: Levi Onwuzirke
DT: John Penisini
Austin Bryant, Bruce Hector?

Edge: Aidan Hutchinson
Edge: Julian Okwara
Edge: Josh Paschal
Edge: Romeo Okwara
Edge: Charles Harris

hard to see James Houston IV making the team but we'll see

ILB: Alex Anzalone
ILB: Derrick Barnes
ILB: Malcolm Rodriguez
Chris Board, Jarrad Davis, Shaun Dion Hamilton, Josh Woods?

CB: Amani Oruwariye
CB: Jeff Okudah
CB: Jerry Jacobs
Ifeatu Melifonwu, AJ Parker
last CB will be Mike Hughes or Bobby Price?

S: Tracy Walker
S: Deshon Elliot
S: Will Harris
S: Kerby Joseph
CJ Moore?

P Jack Fox
LS Scott Daly
K Riley Patterson

think that's 63

probably be one or two surprises out of TC/PS but rn I think that's pretty close to the 53 + practice squad

 
QB: Jared Goff
Tim Boyle, David Blough

I'm starting to think this is their subtle way of tanking if Goff ends up out for the year. When was the last time a backup QB won a game for the Lions?

 
follow up on James Houston IV & off the field issues as I keep seeing references to it elsewhere

he was suspended 5 years ago during that stolen credit card scandal back in summer 2017

four months later they reinstated him

Florida Gators stolen credit card scandal timeline

looks like he bought an iPad at the campus bookstore for $424

three weeks later he went back in and paid it off in cash bc there was a chargeback

dumb mistake by an 18 year old to get caught up in it but he made it right before the story broke or the investigation started

never any reported problems after that

 
12 years is a long stretch, might lead the NFL.
Hard for backups to win a game when you’re QB starts 100% of the time 10 out of 11 seasons 

;)

But yeah it’s been forever since we had a viable option at QB2

wow…so that made me think of 2019 (0-8 finish the year Staff broke his back), 2012 (another 0-8 finish), 2010 (lost last 6 and 12 of the last 13 bc Matthew only played 3 G), and everybody’s fav, 2008.

Even last year which brought so much bc of the changing culture - 0-8 / 0-10-1 start.

four times in 14 seasons we’ve gone two months without a win, and two 3 months stretches which saw one win & one tie, respectively.

it really is amazing how many faithful fans the Lions have. Michiganders lover football but usually it’s the Friday night & Saturday varieties.

just once before I die.,

can we go back to talking about how we dominated the draft & filling up each other’s cups of Kool aid?

 
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BobbyLayne said:
Okudah's progress

what are we looking at for the 53-man this fall?

QB: Jared Goff
Tim Boyle, David Blough

RB: D’Andre Swift
Jamaal Williams
Jermar Jefferson
Godwin Igwebuike?
Jason Cabinda (FB/TE)

WR: Jameson Williams
WR: DJ Chark
WR: Amon-Ra St. Brown
Quintez Cephus, Kalif Raymond, Josh Reynolds
Tom Kennedy?

TE: TJ Hockenson
Garrett Griffin, James Mitchell
Brock Wright?

LT: Taylor Decker
LG: Jonah Jackson
C Frank Ragnow
RG: Halapoulivaati Vaitai
RT: Penei Sewell
Matt Nelson, Evan Brown, Tommy Kraemer
Ryan McCollum, Logan Stenberg?

DT: Michael Brockers
DT: Alim McNeil
DT: Levi Onwuzirke
DT: John Penisini
Austin Bryant, Bruce Hector?

Edge: Aidan Hutchinson
Edge: Julian Okwara
Edge: Josh Paschal
Edge: Romeo Okwara
Edge: Charles Harris

hard to see James Houston IV making the team but we'll see

ILB: Alex Anzalone
ILB: Derrick Barnes
ILB: Malcolm Rodriguez
Chris Board, Jarrad Davis, Shaun Dion Hamilton, Josh Woods?

CB: Amani Oruwariye
CB: Jeff Okudah
CB: Jerry Jacobs
Ifeatu Melifonwu, AJ Parker
last CB will be Mike Hughes or Bobby Price?

S: Tracy Walker
S: Deshon Elliot
S: Will Harris
S: Kerby Joseph
CJ Moore?

P Jack Fox
LS Scott Daly
K Riley Patterson

think that's 63

probably be one or two surprises out of TC/PS but rn I think that's pretty close to the 53 + practice squad
James Houston may be looked at as an option at LB as well.

We need upgrade at DT, putting a lot of hope on Levi O.

OL depth is needed.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
QB: Jared Goff
Tim Boyle, David Blough

I'm starting to think this is their subtle way of tanking if Goff ends up out for the year. When was the last time a backup QB won a game for the Lions?
Well could be and I think they did not want to cause any controversy or distractions regarding Goff. They are demonstrating full confidence in him (for this year and they do not have a lot of choice about it)  lets see how he does with a good OL and competent WRs and TE.

Holmes may be a true believer since he helped draft him and maybe even thought he wasn't handled right by McVay. Much speculation but its possible.

So its up to Jared Goff to show he is a QB who can be relied on.

There have been a lot of middling QBs who have won superbowls. Rypien, Doug Williams, Flacco, Foles, Brad Johnson, Jim McMahon and I'll even throw in Eli Manning. None of them won more than one except Eli. So Campbell is right you can win without a great QB but its hard to repeat.

 
It was great seeing Sheila in the draft room when a Lions pick was announced. She is invested.

Lions can afford to take a player like Jameson and wait on him. Lions are building this up piece by piece and are not in a rush to win today. Fans need to be patient. Hutch and Jameson will give them someone to cheer for this season and Swift as well if he can stay healthy.

 
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