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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Draft, FAs, trades? (6 Viewers)

Kobie Turner DI Wake Forest

6’2” 290

Projected 5th round

3-tech, explosive first step, able to stack n shed. Instinctual player who is a cerebral film rat. Masters in music. @Ilov80s he'll be 24 soon but we’re talking #154 mmmK? lol

Great interview, easy kid to root for - has some unique traits that are going to land him a spot somewhere.
 
Kobie Turner DI Wake Forest

6’2” 290

Projected 5th round

3-tech, explosive first step, able to stack n shed. Instinctual player who is a cerebral film rat. Masters in music. @Ilov80s he'll be 24 soon but we’re talking #154 mmmK? lol

Great interview, easy kid to root for - has some unique traits that are going to land him a spot somewhere.
Nice and yeah I don’t care much about age in the later rounds.
 
Off-season dates:

February 21 through March 7 (4:00 p.m. ET)

Teams may designate Franchise or Transition Players

All NFL teams are eligible to apply one Franchise or Transition tag to a player on an expiring contract. For the Lions, they have 18 players set to become UFAs, but none of them fit the criteria that would entice the Lions to apply either tag.

Late February/early March

Compensatory picks announced—Full 7-round NFL Draft order set
There is no set date for this, but the Lions are not projected to receive any compensatory picks. That would leave Detroit with eight total picks, two on Day 1 (Round 1), three on Day 2 (Rounds 2 and 3), and three on Day 3 (Rounds 4 through 7).

February 27-March 6

NFL Scouting Combine

The NFL Combine altered its schedule in 2022, shifting televised on-field drills into primetime. The change was met with some resistance from players and fans, so the league is tweaking its schedule again this season.

Players will begin arriving on Monday, February 27, and will spend their first three days getting medical checks, as well as meeting with teams and the media. We will also hear from general manager Brad Holmes and coach Dan Campbell on Tuesday or Wednesday, as they will hold press conferences at the Combine.

The televised drills begin on Thursday evening, starting with the prospects on the defensive line and linebackers, and Friday will feature the defensive backs. On the weekend, quarterbacks, wide receivers, and tight ends will be featured on Saturday night, while the offensive line and running backs close things out on Sunday.

March 13 (12:00 p.m. ET)

NFL free agency tampering period begins

Beginning at noon on Monday, March 13, teams and agents of free agents players are allowed to begin negotiating contracts. During this time, teams are still not allowed to contact players directly, and contracts won’t become official until the start of the league's new year/official opening of free agency on March 15.

March 15 (4:00 p.m. ET)

2023 league new year begins
NFL free agency and trading periods open


As the league new year begins, a few things take place simultaneously. First, teams need to be under the salary cap ahead of the 4 p.m. deadline. Contracts that have been negotiated during the tampering period, and any currently being negotiated, are now eligible to become official. Finally, any trades that have been previously agreed upon can now also become official.

March 22-24

Top quarterback Pro Days
It’s always good business to understand the value of the top quarterback in every draft class, regardless of if you’re in the market for a new signal caller, or you want to know the value of your draft pick. Here’s a look at some of the top quarterbacks in this cycle including when they will hold their Pro Days.

Here’s what’s on the schedule for now:

  • C.J. Stroud, Ohio Pro Day: March 22
  • Bryce Young, Alabama Pro Day: March 23
  • Will Levis, Kentucky Pro Day: March 24
  • Anthony Richardson, Florida Pro Day: Not yet scheduled

March 26-29

Annual League (Owner’s) Meetings

This is the annual meeting where the owners gather to discuss league business. Things like should Dan Snyder sell the Washington Commanders, discussion of any rule changes proposed by the competition committee, and awarding venues for the Super Bowl
and NFL Draft.

At the last owner’s meetings, the city of Detroit was awarded the opportunity to host the NFL Draft in 2024, and it was announced that the Lions would be the feature team on HBO’s Hard Knocks. Expectations are that the Lions are due for a quiet year this time around, but Holmes and Campbell will meet with the media during this time.

April 17

Teams with returning head coaches may begin offseason workout programs
Teams with new head coaches can start their offseason program two weeks earlier, but the Lions—and the majority of the league—will start on this date.

April 19

Deadline for clubs to host Top 30 visits with NFL Draft-eligible players

With just over a week before the NFL Draft is set to begin, teams must wrap up their prospect's visits. During these meetings in Allen Park, players meet with coaches and front office staff, as well as go through more medical testing.

April 21

Deadline for restricted free agents (RFA) to sign offer sheets

For those restricted free agents that were tagged by their teams but decided to test the free agency market, they will have until this day to decide if they will accept another team's offer or if they want to return to their previous team and sign their tender. The Lions have three restricted free agents in 2023: Matt Nelson, Ross Pierschbacher, and Bobby Price.

April 27-29

2023 NFL Draft

The event of the offseason.

  • Round 1: Thursday, April 27 — 8 p.m. ET
  • Rounds 2-3: Friday, April 29 — 7 p.m. ET
  • Rounds 4-7: Saturday, April 29 — 12 p.m. ET
At this time the Lions hold eight draft picks, including five in the first two days.

May 1

Deadline for teams to exercise fifth-year options (re: Jeff Okudah)
The Monday following the NFL Draft is the deadline for teams to make a decision on whether or not they will activate the fifth year of a player’s contract that was drafted in the first round three years ago. For the Lions, that option applies to 2020 first-round pick, Jeff Okudah.

May 5-8 or May 12-15

Teams allocate a three-day period for rookie minicamp

At this time teams can begin spring camp for their rookies and first-year players that did not play an entire NFL season. Teams can allocate days during either window to run a smaller version of three training camp practices. For reference, the Lions picked the latter of the eligible dates in 2022.

May 22-24

Spring league meeting

This is a smaller version of an owner’s meetings that focuses on rule changes, bylaws, and other football discussions.

Late-May through Early June

Organized team activities (OTAs) and mandatory minicamp

Teams are allotted 10 voluntary, non-contact practices to take place over a four-week period, as well as a three-practice mandatory minicamp. Typically, the Lions hold three practices in each of the first two weeks, then have minicamp during the third week, followed by their final four OTA practices in the fourth week.

Under Campbell, the Lions typically get close to full attendance for their first six OTA practices and minicamp, but then the Lions dismiss the veterans for the final four practices, allowing coaches to focus on younger players, while also giving vets an early jump on their summer vacations.

Late-July

Training camp opens

After roughly five weeks off, players return to Allen Park for training camp. The Lions typically release details surrounding this event in late June or early July.
 
What's with all the mock drafts mocking a TE to the Lions in round one? And there are several that have done it. Have they been living in a cave? :lol:

The Lions effectively used TE's last season. How I see the Lions priority:
1. DT
2. CB
3. CB
4. LB
5. QB
6. RB
7. TE

I fully expect Brad to use our cap space to address the CB issue and I don't think a Ramsey deal is completely out of the question. Ideally the Lions draft room explodes when their dream pick falls to them for the third year in a row when Jalen Carter is still there at #6. It is time for the Lions to go all in.
 
What's with all the mock drafts mocking a TE to the Lions in round one? And there are several that have done it. Have they been living in a cave? :lol:

The Lions effectively used TE's last season. How I see the Lions priority:
1. DT
2. CB
3. CB
4. LB
5. QB
6. RB
7. TE

I fully expect Brad to use our cap space to address the CB issue and I don't think a Ramsey deal is completely out of the question. Ideally the Lions draft room explodes when their dream pick falls to them for the third year in a row when Jalen Carter is still there at #6. It is time for the Lions to go all in.

I'd throw Right Guard in there since we likely won't have one in another month. Evan Brown is going to get a money bag elsewhere and Big V will be a cap cut.
 
What's with all the mock drafts mocking a TE to the Lions in round one? And there are several that have done it. Have they been living in a cave? :lol:

The Lions effectively used TE's last season. How I see the Lions priority:
1. DT
2. CB
3. CB
4. LB
5. QB
6. RB
7. TE

I fully expect Brad to use our cap space to address the CB issue and I don't think a Ramsey deal is completely out of the question. Ideally the Lions draft room explodes when their dream pick falls to them for the third year in a row when Jalen Carter is still there at #6. It is time for the Lions to go all in.

I'd throw Right Guard in there since we likely won't have one in another month. Evan Brown is going to get a money bag elsewhere and Big V will be a cap cut.

Yep keep re-loading the OL all the way. Every year topping it up. Most important ingredient to success imo. Doesn’t need to be 1-2 round choices right now but yeah
 
Would like to bring Chark back if the price is right. Missed most of the first half with injuries but came on second half. 6-4 with speed and only 26. There would be no need to draft a WR at all. Will Chark get a lot of interest on the market? Read Minny is interested.
 
Would like to bring Chark back if the price is right. Missed most of the first half with injuries but came on second half. 6-4 with speed and only 26. There would be no need to draft a WR at all. Will Chark get a lot of interest on the market? Read Minny is interested.
It is a really bad WR FA class and the draft is light on guys who can play the X spot so yes he probably will get a lot of attention
 
What's with all the mock drafts mocking a TE to the Lions in round one? And there are several that have done it. Have they been living in a cave? :lol:

Or have us grabbing Bijan at #18 lol

We need to go 5/5 defensive picks on Day 1 & Day 2 - unless we decide to go big on the G solution and take Torrence at 18 or Avila at 48.

My favorite mocks look something like this (e.g. every one looks different but these are the most frequent):
  1. 6th pick - whether the Colts trade up or the Bears stand pat, the top 4 will almost surely be Will Anderson, Jaylen Carter, Bryce Young, plus one other QB. The key for the Lions pick is the Seahawks selection. If they take Tyree Wilson, that leaves the top 2 Corners plus one blue chip(ish) QB. I'd feel comfortable trading back because we'll probably still be able to draft Gonzales. But my most comfortable pick here is Devon Witherspoon. In 200 press man snaps last year he gave up 1 yard receiving. He played the most man snaps of any cornerback in the draft. There are bigger corners and better run defenders but no one does a better job flipping their hips and staying draped. If we favored off man I like Christian Gonzales - very smooth corner who can stay with anyone.
  2. 18th pick - Cornerback Joey Porter Jr is the second best press man corner in the draft and has great physical traits. Still a bit raw - very physical corner, draws his share of flags - but is a great fit for what AG wants to run. Passed on two Clemson DL (Edge Murphy and DI Bresee) and in the real world we probably don't double down as we have needs all over the defense. Two press man corners will lead to a ton of coverage sacks once they're acclimated but the safer play here is probably a versatile DL. All that said, I'd love to see Calijah Kancey fall to 18 - would be very had to pass up on him, despite being undersized he could be a very disruptive force.
  3. 48th pick - I struggle here a bit because I worry too much about fitting players to our needs. TCU G Steve Avila should not still be here but if he is that's a no brainer. If we grabbed a DL in the first then I would love a second CB here - Forbes, Ricks or Stevenson are all a good fit, Garrett Williams is not (same reason as Cam Smith, he plays way off in man.) If we start out DB-DB then I favor the Kansas State hyphenated Edge, otherwise I think Karl Brooks Bowling Green or Keion White of Georgia Tech. USC's Tuli Tuipulotu is another good one but I expect him to be gone. An out of the box pick here would be C John Michael Schmitz of Minnesota - he's the best snapper in the draft but has the traits you look for in a G (IMO.)
  4. 55th pick - starting to wonder if my thinking is out of sync. I LOVE LB Trenton Simpson here but every mock has us taking a non-blocking TE like Sam LaPorta Iowa or RB Zach Charbonnet UCLA (Michigan.)
  5. 81st pick - I wouldn't be violently opposed to TE Darnell Washington Georgia because he's a terrific inline blocker. Would make a great sixth OL with occasional RZ utilization (his route tree is not as refined as TSP imagines.) Other picks: HB Tank Bigsby Auburn; T Cody Mauch North Dakota State (move to RG); DI - Keeanu Burton Wisconsin or Moro Ojomo Texas (latter is a better fit IMO); LB DeMarvion Overshown, CB Kelee Ringo Georgia or Darius Rush South Carolina (former is falling, latter is rising.)
  6. 154th pick - HB Deuce Vaughn Kansas State. G - Jaxson Kirkland, Washington, Jarrett Patterson, Notre Dame, Chandler Zavala, NC State. DI - Jalen Redmond, Oklahoma. LB - Henry To'o To'o Alabama. S - Rashad Torrence II or Trey Dean III, both Florida, Quindell Johnson, Memphis State.
  7. 183rd pick - QB Clayton Tune, Houson. RB Chris Rodriguez, Kentucky. TE - Josh Whyle, Cincinnati. (I incorrectly thought this would be a great spot for Brevyn Spann-Ford, Minnesota ,TE but he surprisingly did not declare.) Edge Ali Gaye, LSU, Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan. CB Mekhi Garner, LSU.
  8. 194th pick - HB Mohamed Ibrahim, Minnesota. C (G) Ricky Stromberg, Arkansas. Edge - Brenton Cox Jr, Florida, LB Aubry Miller Jr, Jackson State. S Gervarrius Owens, Houston. K Jake Moody, Michigan.
Holmes will take the best player available and say f*** filling needs; he's never locked into any set strategy and it's probably why he's put together great drafts. You honestly don't know what he'll do but given his track record I'll defer to his evaluation. He's a scout's scout who happens to be the GM, I think he's a great evaluator. My approach is the opposite - I am kind of locked into traits and how they fit our scheme. This staff is the opposite of Patricia; they identify the players best skills and figure out ways to help them succeed. The previous regime said "this is who we are, this is what we do, we need these style players to do it, but for now lets jam this square peg into a round hole and hope it works out."
 
Would like to bring Chark back if the price is right. Missed most of the first half with injuries but came on second half. 6-4 with speed and only 26. There would be no need to draft a WR at all. Will Chark get a lot of interest on the market? Read Minny is interested.
It is a really bad WR FA class and the draft is light on guys who can play the X spot so yes he probably will get a lot of attention

Sportrac calculates his market value at 3 yrs, $28,751,556 (Avg. Salary: $9,583,852); that seems crazy low but if we can sign him for $11-12M with only two years guaranteed, might be worth it. Detroit is 27th in WR spending.

2023 Cap (%) for our current signed WRs:
  • Jamo $3.969M
  • Reynolds $3.929M
  • Kalif $3.025M
  • ARSB $1.136M
  • Cephus $1.086M
  • Kennedy $940K
  • Alexander $870K
  • Berryhill $870K
 
Would like to bring Chark back if the price is right. Missed most of the first half with injuries but came on second half. 6-4 with speed and only 26. There would be no need to draft a WR at all. Will Chark get a lot of interest on the market? Read Minny is interested.
It is a really bad WR FA class and the draft is light on guys who can play the X spot so yes he probably will get a lot of attention

Sportrac calculates his market value at 3 yrs, $28,751,556 (Avg. Salary: $9,583,852); that seems crazy low but if we can sign him for $11-12M with only two years guaranteed, might be worth it. Detroit is 27th in WR spending.

2023 Cap (%) for our current signed WRs:
  • Jamo $3.969M
  • Reynolds $3.929M
  • Kalif $3.025M
  • ARSB $1.136M
  • Cephus $1.086M
  • Kennedy $940K
  • Alexander $870K
  • Berryhill $870K
PFF had him at $3 year 11.6 million a year projection with 23 guaranteed. Who knows but I can see a team overpaying a bit. If a team needs a true starting X WR to rely on next season, there are options are basically Chark, Lazard or spend a first on Quentin Johnston.
 
Would like to bring Chark back if the price is right. Missed most of the first half with injuries but came on second half. 6-4 with speed and only 26. There would be no need to draft a WR at all. Will Chark get a lot of interest on the market? Read Minny is interested.
It is a really bad WR FA class and the draft is light on guys who can play the X spot so yes he probably will get a lot of attention

Sportrac calculates his market value at 3 yrs, $28,751,556 (Avg. Salary: $9,583,852); that seems crazy low but if we can sign him for $11-12M with only two years guaranteed, might be worth it. Detroit is 27th in WR spending.

2023 Cap (%) for our current signed WRs:
  • Jamo $3.969M
  • Reynolds $3.929M
  • Kalif $3.025M
  • ARSB $1.136M
  • Cephus $1.086M
  • Kennedy $940K
  • Alexander $870K
  • Berryhill $870K
PFF had him at $3 year 11.6 million a year projection with 23 guaranteed. Who knows but I can see a team overpaying a bit. If a team needs a true starting X WR to rely on next season, there are options are basically Chark, Lazard or spend a first on Quentin Johnston.
IMHO, we can get Chark for about $10 million for 3-years. Detroit is an attractive situation and he has started to carve out a role and is comfortable with Goff. There is always risk going into a new situation.
 
Would like to bring Chark back if the price is right. Missed most of the first half with injuries but came on second half. 6-4 with speed and only 26. There would be no need to draft a WR at all. Will Chark get a lot of interest on the market? Read Minny is interested.
It is a really bad WR FA class and the draft is light on guys who can play the X spot so yes he probably will get a lot of attention

Sportrac calculates his market value at 3 yrs, $28,751,556 (Avg. Salary: $9,583,852); that seems crazy low but if we can sign him for $11-12M with only two years guaranteed, might be worth it. Detroit is 27th in WR spending.

2023 Cap (%) for our current signed WRs:
  • Jamo $3.969M
  • Reynolds $3.929M
  • Kalif $3.025M
  • ARSB $1.136M
  • Cephus $1.086M
  • Kennedy $940K
  • Alexander $870K
  • Berryhill $870K
PFF had him at $3 year 11.6 million a year projection with 23 guaranteed. Who knows but I can see a team overpaying a bit. If a team needs a true starting X WR to rely on next season, there are options are basically Chark, Lazard or spend a first on Quentin Johnston.
I'd love to have him back, but I think the Lions go up to ~$10 mil/yr and if he gets a bigger offer than that, they let him walk and get the compensatory pick. There's only so many balls to go around to overpay for a (very good) third option on the team.

I think the injury history will keep any team from committing much more than that, and I'd bet that Chark is happy to have a competent QB that he seems to have a pretty good connection with after playing with crap QBs for his whole career, so he may take a slight discount to stay here.
 
Would like to bring Chark back if the price is right. Missed most of the first half with injuries but came on second half. 6-4 with speed and only 26. There would be no need to draft a WR at all. Will Chark get a lot of interest on the market? Read Minny is interested.

Chark, Paris Campbell, Allen Lazard, Jacoby Myers ….

The youngish talented WRs as FA’s this year are very very thin which makes me think someone is going to offer something we can’t or won’t match. I’d go as far to say that a fit DJ Chark is the best WR FA there is this year.
 
Anzalone & Chark have both emphasized it’s a business, we’ll see how it plays out, gotta take care of my fam, et al.

These are players who bought in 100% & love it here. Still gotta maximize your earning opportunities bc they’ll be gone quick once they drop off at all.
 
There is probably a WR or 2 that gets overpaid. It seems like we see it each year. Maybe that guy is Chark, maybe it isn't. I would love to have him back though we also have to be weary of his injury history.
 
they let him walk and get the compensatory pick

Not how that works - we didn’t draft him
I don't think that matters. I believe that the Lions got credit for Marvin Jones when he left for Jacksonville.

You’re right - we did get a 5th rounder for MJJ (+ 3rd for Golladay & 6th for Jarrad Davis.)

Those 3 were the first compensatory picks Detroit received since 2016.

It’s pretty opaque but I suppose Chark is a possibility. Not a certainty to trigger a compensatory like a lot of UFAs though.

When awarding compensatory picks, the NFL uses a formula that accounts for a player's average salary per year (APY), snap count and postseason awards. The exact specifics of the formula are confidential, but we do know it also takes into consideration a player's history of playing time (or lack thereof).
 
I have a hard time believing that there will be a bidding war for a guy who has missed 23 games in the last three season and is 4 years removed from his only 1000 yard season. 500 yards in 10 games last year is not eye-popping numbers. He was coming on during the end of the season and teams will take that into account, but I think teams will be weary of investing too much in Chark.
 
There is probably a WR or 2 that gets overpaid. It seems like we see it each year. Maybe that guy is Chark, maybe it isn't. I would love to have him back though we also have to be weary of his injury history.
Yup. Anyone who thinks Chark is locked in as a $10mil/year guy needs to look at Christian Kirk's contract.
 
I have a hard time believing that there will be a bidding war for a guy who has missed 23 games in the last three season and is 4 years removed from his only 1000 yard season. 500 yards in 10 games last year is not eye-popping numbers. He was coming on during the end of the season and teams will take that into account, but I think teams will be weary of investing too much in Chark.
It won't be a war, just thinking he could get a per year deal comparable to say Michael Gallup or Corey Davis.
 
Really wish we were one pick above at 5. Listening to Move The Sticks and Jeremiah’s latest mock has a lot of chatter about how Tyree Wilson might be this years Travon Walker in the sense he may end up going before Anderson Jnr. Higher pressure rate, insane athletic profile etc etc

IF Levis somehow goes top 5 I’ll be so happy. We would presumably then have one of Carter, Anderson and Wilson. If we didn’t have one of them available it would mean that 1 of Young and Stroud were there and well… that would be interesting.

Just need someone to be daft and trade up above us for Levis.
 
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Really wish we were one pick above at 5. Listening to Move The Sticks and Jeremiah’s latest mock has a lot of chatter about how Tyree Wilson might be this years Travon Walker in the sense he may end up going before Anderson Jnr. Higher pressure rate, insane athletic profile etc etc

IF Levis somehow goes top 5 I’ll be so happy. We would presumably then have one of Carter, Anderson and Wilson. If we didn’t have one of them available it would mean that 1 of Young and Stroud were there and well… that would be interesting.

Just need someone to be daft and trade up above us for Levis.
What a blunder it would be for Tyree to go before Anderson. I am not yet sold on Tyree. Travon Walker yet. I know what you are saying but Tyree is kind of the opposite of Walker. Walker was a super young, raw uber athlete. Wilson is a 5th year senior, more experienced but isn't an explosive athlete and lacks speed on film. He might need to kick inside to be able to rush the passer. He's really long though, love that.

I agree Levis is the guy I most want to see go before the Lions pick. That just opens the door to Carter, Anderson or the possibility of falling into Stroud/Bryce.
 
Let's say Fields stays in Chicago and they trade down from 1 for more picks. If they fall back to 7+ that might add a defensive player available in the top 6 if the new #1 takes a QB.

I keep saying it but we're two months out - Combine and Pro Days will cause some movement.

WRT the Top 5, at this point it seems like the consensus should be Anderson, Carter, 2 QBs (probably Young & Levis) and Witherspoon.

I can't see Tyree Wilson there but some people think he's a perfect fit for the Seahawks.

Or maybe 1 QB moves up to put Devon Witherspoon into our lap.

If Richardson and Stroud are there at 6, regardless of whether you prefer 'spoon or Gonzo, the smarter move would be to trade back to 11, 13 or 16. Moving up 5-10 spots into the Top Ten for a franchise QB is worth a minimum of 4 picks - either 3 this year + 1 next or 2+2. That would give us 10 picks for 2023 and add 2 more ot the 2024 stockpile.

It's a lot easier to find trade partners on mock draft simulators than NFL war rooms, though.

But again....we don't have enough info until after Indianapolis.
 
Let's say Fields stays in Chicago and they trade down from 1 for more picks. If they fall back to 7+ that might add a defensive player available in the top 6 if the new #1 takes a QB.

I keep saying it but we're two months out - Combine and Pro Days will cause some movement.

WRT the Top 5, at this point it seems like the consensus should be Anderson, Carter, 2 QBs (probably Young & Levis) and Witherspoon.

I can't see Tyree Wilson there but some people think he's a perfect fit for the Seahawks.

Or maybe 1 QB moves up to put Devon Witherspoon into our lap.

If Richardson and Stroud are there at 6, regardless of whether you prefer 'spoon or Gonzo, the smarter move would be to trade back to 11, 13 or 16. Moving up 5-10 spots into the Top Ten for a franchise QB is worth a minimum of 4 picks - either 3 this year + 1 next or 2+2. That would give us 10 picks for 2023 and add 2 more ot the 2024 stockpile.

It's a lot easier to find trade partners on mock draft simulators than NFL war rooms, though.

But again....we don't have enough info until after Indianapolis.
I don't know about Witherspoon at 5. Undersized 4 year player who probably won't blow away the combine? I like him a lot but Carter and Anderson seem like the only non QBs that are locked into a top 5 pick. Once you get past them, I think Tyree, Weatherspoon, Gonzalez, a couple OL, Murphy...even Bijan are all in play. It's wide open.
 
Not an area of need, but we draft a pass catcher almost every year.
  • 2017 - 96th pick Kenny Golladay, 127th Michael Roberts
  • 2018 - none
  • 2019 - 8th pick TJ Hockenson, 184th Travis Fulgham, 224th Issac Nauta
  • 2020 - 166th Quintez Cephus
  • 2021 - 112th ARSB
  • 2022 - 12th pick Jameson Williams, 177th James Mitchell
  • 2023 - ?
Figure the room this fall is:
  1. ARSB
  2. Jamo
  3. somebody to play the X
  4. KR Kalif Raymond
  5. Josh Reynolds
  6. Quintez Cephus
  7. Wright & Mitchell at TE picking up scraps
Pay Chark $12M or try to find someone in the draft you're paying $1.2?

Who do we like? Which round?

Typical PFF Mock:

6. CB Devon Witherspoon CB Illinois (shawdup @Ilov80s I'm manifesting)
18. CB Joe Porter Jr CB Penn State
48. ED Karl Brooks Bowling Green (hands down the best non-combine invite)
55. LB Trention Simpson Clemson
81. DI Moro Ojomo Texas
154. G Jaxson Kirkland Washington
183. TE Josh Whyle Cincinnati
194. QB Clayton Tune Houston

OK, instead let's say I'm trying to get ahead of the curve and only draft flag football pass catchers:

6. WR Quentin Johnston TCU (gross)
18. WR Zay Flowers Boston College
48. RB Jahmyr Gibbs Alabama (I'm cheating but he's a pretty great receiving back)
55. WR Keyshon Boutte LSU or WR Jalin Hyatt Tennessee
81. TE Darnell Washington Georgia (probably goes earlier)

the space between
***WR Michael Wilson Stanford WR Jayden Reed Michigan State***
***WR Cedric Tillman Tennesse TE Tyler Kraft South Dakota State WR Andrei Iosivas***

154. RB Eric Gray Oklahoma HB Deuce Vaughn Kansas State RB Kenny McIntosh Georgia
183. WR Ronnie Bell Michigan WR Charlie Jones Purdiue
194. WR/QB/Weapon Keytaon Thompson Virginia

who you like & why?
 
Not an area of need, but we draft a pass catcher almost every year.
  • 2017 - 96th pick Kenny Golladay, 127th Michael Roberts
  • 2018 - none
  • 2019 - 8th pick TJ Hockenson, 184th Travis Fulgham, 224th Issac Nauta
  • 2020 - 166th Quintez Cephus
  • 2021 - 112th ARSB
  • 2022 - 12th pick Jameson Williams, 177th James Mitchell
  • 2023 - ?
Figure the room this fall is:
  1. ARSB
  2. Jamo
  3. somebody to play the X
  4. KR Kalif Raymond
  5. Josh Reynolds
  6. Quintez Cephus
  7. Wright & Mitchell at TE picking up scraps
Pay Chark $12M or try to find someone in the draft you're paying $1.2?

Who do we like? Which round?

Typical PFF Mock:

6. CB Devon Witherspoon CB Illinois (shawdup @Ilov80s I'm manifesting)
18. CB Joe Porter Jr CB Penn State
48. ED Karl Brooks Bowling Green (hands down the best non-combine invite)
55. LB Trention Simpson Clemson
81. DI Moro Ojomo Texas
154. G Jaxson Kirkland Washington
183. TE Josh Whyle Cincinnati
194. QB Clayton Tune Houston

OK, instead let's say I'm trying to get ahead of the curve and only draft flag football pass catchers:

6. WR Quentin Johnston TCU (gross)
18. WR Zay Flowers Boston College
48. RB Jahmyr Gibbs Alabama (I'm cheating but he's a pretty great receiving back)
55. WR Keyshon Boutte LSU or WR Jalin Hyatt Tennessee
81. TE Darnell Washington Georgia (probably goes earlier)

the space between
***WR Michael Wilson Stanford WR Jayden Reed Michigan State***
***WR Cedric Tillman Tennesse TE Tyler Kraft South Dakota State WR Andrei Iosivas***

154. RB Eric Gray Oklahoma HB Deuce Vaughn Kansas State RB Kenny McIntosh Georgia
183. WR Ronnie Bell Michigan WR Charlie Jones Purdiue
194. WR/QB/Weapon Keytaon Thompson Virginia

who you like & why?
I just don't think most of the WRs fit with the Lions. Detroit doesn't need another slot guy and doesn't need a deep threat burner. They need a true X. It seems like Quentin Johnston is the only notable WR who fits that bill. Wilson and Tillman have the size but they do not impress me otherwise.

Though Boutte is only 6', he does seem to have an X WR skill set in the mold of an OBJ type. I don't know what the medicals on his leg look like but I am would very interested in him at pick 55.
 
I want this offense to hit the ground running so no problem bringing back Chark vs a rookie draft pick. Jamo is still pretty much a rookie so I don't want 2 of my top 3 being that when Goff seems to like the familiar. Spend that pick on OL instead, can't have too many of those.
 
Not an area of need, but we draft a pass catcher almost every year.
  • 2017 - 96th pick Kenny Golladay, 127th Michael Roberts
  • 2018 - none
  • 2019 - 8th pick TJ Hockenson, 184th Travis Fulgham, 224th Issac Nauta
  • 2020 - 166th Quintez Cephus
  • 2021 - 112th ARSB
  • 2022 - 12th pick Jameson Williams, 177th James Mitchell
  • 2023 - ?
Figure the room this fall is:
  1. ARSB
  2. Jamo
  3. somebody to play the X
  4. KR Kalif Raymond
  5. Josh Reynolds
  6. Quintez Cephus
  7. Wright & Mitchell at TE picking up scraps
Pay Chark $12M or try to find someone in the draft you're paying $1.2?

Who do we like? Which round?

Typical PFF Mock:

6. CB Devon Witherspoon CB Illinois (shawdup @Ilov80s I'm manifesting)
18. CB Joe Porter Jr CB Penn State
48. ED Karl Brooks Bowling Green (hands down the best non-combine invite)
55. LB Trention Simpson Clemson
81. DI Moro Ojomo Texas
154. G Jaxson Kirkland Washington
183. TE Josh Whyle Cincinnati
194. QB Clayton Tune Houston

OK, instead let's say I'm trying to get ahead of the curve and only draft flag football pass catchers:

6. WR Quentin Johnston TCU (gross)
18. WR Zay Flowers Boston College
48. RB Jahmyr Gibbs Alabama (I'm cheating but he's a pretty great receiving back)
55. WR Keyshon Boutte LSU or WR Jalin Hyatt Tennessee
81. TE Darnell Washington Georgia (probably goes earlier)

the space between
***WR Michael Wilson Stanford WR Jayden Reed Michigan State***
***WR Cedric Tillman Tennesse TE Tyler Kraft South Dakota State WR Andrei Iosivas***

154. RB Eric Gray Oklahoma HB Deuce Vaughn Kansas State RB Kenny McIntosh Georgia
183. WR Ronnie Bell Michigan WR Charlie Jones Purdiue
194. WR/QB/Weapon Keytaon Thompson Virginia

who you like & why?
I just don't think most of the WRs fit with the Lions. Detroit doesn't need another slot guy and doesn't need a deep threat burner. They need a true X. It seems like Quentin Johnston is the only notable WR who fits that bill. Wilson and Tillman have the size but they do not impress me otherwise.

Though Boutte is only 6', he does seem to have an X WR skill set in the mold of an OBJ type. I don't know what the medicals on his leg look like but I am would very interested in him at pick 55.

Yeah overall it's a weak class at WR/IOL and thin at true difference makers along the DL. That said, I find there are a ton of versatile bigs who can play almost anywhere on the OL or move from 3-tech to outside on DL. Probably not talking Pro Bowl guys but def solid starters.

The reason I asked about the WRs is I'm not super impressed with any of them. Flowers is a great route runner, but you alluded to it, we already have that guy. The field stretchers are little guys. The bigger guys don't play like bigs. Most of the TEs can't block.
 
Yeah overall it's a weak class at WR/IOL and thin at true difference makers along the DL. That said, I find there are a ton of versatile bigs who can play almost anywhere on the OL or move from 3-tech to outside on DL. Probably not talking Pro Bowl guys but def solid starters.

The reason I asked about the WRs is I'm not super impressed with any of them. Flowers is a great route runner, but you alluded to it, we already have that guy. The field stretchers are little guys. The bigger guys don't play like bigs. Most of the TEs can't block.
Yes to all of this. Seems like a good year to add talent to the DBs, get some versatility at OL and DL and get a RB to the heir apparent to either the Williams or Swift role. That is where the strengths of this class seem to align.
 
I want this offense to hit the ground running so no problem bringing back Chark vs a rookie draft pick. Jamo is still pretty much a rookie so I don't want 2 of my top 3 being that when Goff seems to like the familiar. Spend that pick on OL instead, can't have too many of those.

Yep. Chark is my top resigning priority, although I would try to keep him in the $10 million range. That sets our WR core for the next three years, assuming we can lock ARSB up. Then we can look at OL, RB, and backup QB.
 
I want this offense to hit the ground running so no problem bringing back Chark vs a rookie draft pick. Jamo is still pretty much a rookie so I don't want 2 of my top 3 being that when Goff seems to like the familiar. Spend that pick on OL instead, can't have too many of those.

Yep. Chark is my top resigning priority, although I would try to keep him in the $10 million range. That sets our WR core for the next three years, assuming we can lock ARSB up. Then we can look at OL, RB, and backup QB.

I would put Jamaal at a higher priority but that's all but a done deal. Even if his production drops off (likely) he provides great leadership.
 
Two different approaches to a Mock, first is from the PFF Drat Simulator, second is using PFN. IIRC the PFF Big Board is always way our of sync with reality but I kind of like their GUI better. OTOH, you have to propose your own trades on the former (e.g., the remaining 31 teams never trade lol) whereas the former has trade scenarios built in. PFF grades each pick and the overall mock, PFN does not.

PFF (I proposed two trades which were accepted)

Top 5: Carter, Young, Anderson, Levis, Wilson (lol) - 99% of the time I say TYVM and take W/itherspoon but wanted to try something different.
6. trade back with ATL and receive their first two picks (47% acceptance rate), they take Stroud

Rd 1: pick 8 Anthony Richardson QB Florida 11th on the PFF board (Grade B-)
Rd 1: pick 18 Joey Porter Jr CB Penn State #21/ A-
Rd 2: pick 44 Emmanuel Forbes CB Mississippi State #42 / A
Rd 2: pick 48 Tuli Tuipulotu ED USC #43 / A-
Rd 2: pick 55 Trenton Simpson LB Clemson #59 / B+
Rd 3: pick 81 Moro Ojomo DI Texas #85 / B+
Rd 5: pick 154 Quinell Johnson S Memphis #151 / B-
Rd 6: pick 183 Braeden Daniels T Utah #179 / B
Rd 6: pick 194 Nick Broeker G Ole Miss #191 / B
trade with GB send WR Quintez Cephus receive their 11th pick, a 7th round compensatory

Rd 7: pick 259 Jake Moody K Michigan #292 / C+

Richardson - not my choice for the first round, just wanted to experiment. But in his development year, maybe Ben Johnson schemes up a situational package for him. I am confident Goff is fully capable of leading them to a divisional title in a down year (Bears are a hot mess, Packers are retolling with Love, Vikings are frauds.) But....long term, if Richardson hits you have a 5 year windwo to challenge Mahomes / Lawrence / Herbert / Burrow / Allen. Not sure I feel like Jared, who is very capable, can beat the AFC young guns. Go big or go home, eh.
JPJ - feels like he'll be in the league a long time. Very physical corner.
Forbes - known mostly for being a ball hawk (all-time CFB in pick sixes) and played in a lot of zone, but did well when MSU used him in press. I would rate Witherspoon, Gonzales, Porter, jr, and Stevenson ahead of him in press man but still this is a great value for mid-second. We've built the inside, time to refine the perimeter.
Tuipulotu - I don't have rated that highly as an Edge but what I like best is he can slide along the DL and play anywhere except NT.
Simpson - just flies around the field, I don't think he lasts his long in the actual draft, but probably the 1st/2nd off ball on most big boards.
Ojomo - bit of a compromise pick, would much rather have Kancey if he falls, but Moro is the 6th rated DI so decent value here. Good run stopper, limited pass rush, mostly bull rush which won't work as an undersized tackle, but phenomenal tape filling gaps.
Johnson - 11th rated S, Walker should be ready for OTAs but probably still need to future proof. Comfortable in the Slot, Box or 2-high deep, but misses a lot of tackles.
Daniels - played LG as a true Freshman, started at RT Y2, spent his third year at LT. Hoping he'll compete with the other 6th rounder for the starting RG spot.
Broeker - started two years at C before shifting to LG, gives Detroit another versatile OL.
Moody - of course I'm not leaving without picking up the best kicker in the country.

Overall Mock Draft Grade: A
(very rare for me, I almost always get an A- or B+)

PFN (I accepted the first round trade, then declined at least 8 proposed trades in subsequent rounds, two more trades in 3rd and 7th)

Top 5: Anderson, Young, Murphy (bahahaha), Richardson, Carter - again, W/itherspoon is my default but let's see what collecting picks looks like (within reason.)

6. WAS overwhelms me with picks 16, 47, 97, AND their 1st + 2nd next year for the privilege of drafting Stroud. I actually blundered a bit bc I missed I was also giving up #81 (they took Steve Avila) so maybe counter? IDK, going into the 2024 Draft - in Detroit! - with two picks in each of the first 3 rounds would be pretty sweet!

Raiders take Addison #7 bc why, Eagles move up to get Gonzales at #8, Panthers take Stroud #9, Falcons trade the Eagles pick to the Packers (Johnston).....yeah, this sim always has a lot going on. After the Falcons take Kelee at #15 (home state bias? no idea) I end up with a pretty dreamy start.

Rd 1: pick 16 Devon Witherspoon CB Illionois 17th on the PFN, 3rd CB
Rd 1: pick 18 Trenton Simpson LB Clemson #21/ #1 LB
Rd 2: pick 47 Felix Anudike-Uzomah ED Kansas State #40 / #7 ED
Rd 2: pick 48 Tuli Tuipulotu ED USC #46 / #9 ED
Rd 2: pick 55 Jarrett Patterson G Notre Dame #61 / #2 G

Trade proposal accepted: send 97 (fm WAS) and 194 to SF for 99 and 157 (guess they really wanted Tyler Steen who is the #13 OT lol)

Rd 3: pick 99 Daiyan Henley LB Washington State #114 / #9 LB
Rd 5: pick 154 Roschon Johnson RB Texas #148 / #14 RB
Rd 5: pick 157 Garret Williams CB Syracuse #163 / #24 CB
Rd 6: pick 183 Ronnie Bell WR Michigan #174 / #24 WR

I propow4 trade with GB send 2024 7th round receive their 10th pick (they traded 3 6th/7th rounders earlier to take Brenton Cox Jr ED at #164)

Rd 7: pick 256 Jake Moody K Michigan #294 / #3 K

Witherspoon - I don't agree with PFN but I get it, kind of a one hit wonder (but what a year 2022 was for him.)
Simpson - feels too early, he's more likely to go in the 2nd IMO.
Anudike-Uzomah - productive with a lot of bend but you can't slide him, he's strictly an outside rusher.
Tuipulotu - sure why not, he's versatile - B2B at the same position but very different players.
Patterson - insane these two big boards differ by like 88 picks or something.
Henley - early 2nd over at PFF, probably don't need a second offball but has love his acceleration.
Johnson - Bijan's backup probably goes early Day 3 but I'll take it (prefer a pass catcher like McIntosh here.)
Williams - they're out of their gourd, yeah he'll start the year on the PUP but he's too good to fall this far.
Bell - I prefer Wilson out of Stanford - think the boards differ by close to 90 picks on him.
Moody - dang rigtht I want him.

Crazy variance but each simulator is fun for different reasons.
 
Dave Birkett of the Free Press just released a mock that EVERY Lion fan is sure to LOVE. The All Texas edition:


6. Detroit Lions: DE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech​

With the draft’s top quarterbacks and two elite defensive players off the board, the Lions must decide between the best cornerback and more help for their defensive line. Knowing general manager Brad Holmes’ taste — he has taken bigs with five of his six top-75 picks as Lions GM — I’ll give the Lions the big pass rusher (6-6, 275 pounds) so long as his medicals check out.

18. Detroit Lions: RB Bijan Robinson, Texas​

Oh, man, I can see the angry emails already. A running back? In Round 1? Well, Robinson is a top-10 talent in this draft, and if the Lions are serious about continuing to give Jared Goff all the weapons he needs to succeed, Robinson could be their Todd Gurley.
 
Dave Birkett of the Free Press just released a mock that EVERY Lion fan is sure to LOVE. The All Texas edition:


. Detroit Lions: DE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech​

With the draft’s top quarterbacks and two elite defensive players off the board, the Lions must decide between the best cornerback and more help for their defensive line. Knowing general manager Brad Holmes’ taste — he has taken bigs with five of his six top-75 picks as Lions GM — I’ll give the Lions the big pass rusher (6-6, 275 pounds) so long as his medicals check out.

18. Detroit Lions: RB Bijan Robinson, Texas​

Oh, man, I can see the angry emails already. A running back? In Round 1? Well, Robinson is a top-10 talent in this draft, and if the Lions are serious about continuing to give Jared Goff all the weapons he needs to succeed, Robinson could be their Todd Gurley.
Would be tough to take Bijan with Christian Gonzalez still on the board and the RB value available in rounds 2-4 but I do get the idea that this is a weak draft and Bijan is one of the 4 or 5 most talented guys in the class.
 
Dave Birkett of the Free Press just released a mock that EVERY Lion fan is sure to LOVE. The All Texas edition:


6. Detroit Lions: DE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech​

With the draft’s top quarterbacks and two elite defensive players off the board, the Lions must decide between the best cornerback and more help for their defensive line. Knowing general manager Brad Holmes’ taste — he has taken bigs with five of his six top-75 picks as Lions GM — I’ll give the Lions the big pass rusher (6-6, 275 pounds) so long as his medicals check out.

18. Detroit Lions: RB Bijan Robinson, Texas​

Oh, man, I can see the angry emails already. A running back? In Round 1? Well, Robinson is a top-10 talent in this draft, and if the Lions are serious about continuing to give Jared Goff all the weapons he needs to succeed, Robinson could be their Todd Gurley.

Only of the Lions answer their CB issue in free agency. We need a couple major upgrades in our back 7 for our defense to be competitive.
 
Assumption - Chicago is sticking with Justin Fields. Logically, they don't have any reason to keep the #1 pick. Houston is locked into Bryce, Arizona desperately needs an Edge with Watt retired and Anderson is the top rated player in the draft. The Colts are in love with Levis (these are assumptions, not statements of fact. The names are almost meaningless, the key point is two quarterbacks and ED Anderson begin the draft.

1. IND QB Will Levis Kentucky (trade with CHI)
2. HOU QB Bryce Young Alabama
3. ARI ED Will Anderson Alabama

Now CHI is at 4

NFL Draft Pick Value calculator

DET receives:
4th pick = 1800 points

CHI receives:
6th pick = 1600 points
81st pick = 185 points
total = 1785

We're only 15 points away

194th = 14.8 points
183rd = 19.2 points
154th = 30.8 points

That would leave us with

4th (Carter)
18th

48th
55th (MIN)

Plus whichever two Day 3 picks CHI doesn't want.

OK, let's do this!
 
If Chicago stays at #1 and takes Will Anderson, then we have to trade with Arizona

Little more expensive but still doable:

DET receives:
3rd pick = 2200 points

ARI receives:
6th pick = 1600 points
48th pick = 420 points
81st pick = 185 points
total = 2205
 
Goff
Keep reading opinions and takes that Goff is a placeholder while we wait to draft his replacement. Many seeing that happening this year as we have two #1s.
Add to this a lack of faith in Goff being a SB quality QB due to his failure against NE in the SB and being chucked to the dump by the Rams. Teams like Jax, Chargers being given more future hype due to their QBs.

But man Goff was so steady and reliable over the last 10 games. Honestly, I didn't fully trust him in the last game vs GB I kept waiting for the key fumble or INT and it didn't happen. He just made play after play. So I'm on board. I think Goff is the guy that they will have going forward. Lions still need an upgrade at QB2 in order to have all bases covered but it doesn't require spending a high draft choice when there are needs for the OL, DB/S, DL, LB, RB and maybe WR.

I've just felt that Lions made it a priority to restore Goff's confidence since his arrival and also not have fans turn on him while the rebuilt and put weapons around him. I think Holmes has been a believer.

Someone recently expressed that Goff shouldn't be the QB because he couldn't beat Mahomes in a SB. Which is nonsense. I've seen Eli Manning and Nick Foles both beat Tom Brady in the SB. If those mediocre QBs can win against the GOAT, Manning even doing it twice Goff can win one and I think Goff's better than those guys.

Key though is for Lions to keep investing in their OL and maintaining a offensive scheme. The Athletic had a recent article that Goff was the 4th best QB against the blitz last year. Lions emphasized his protection and getting rid of the ball early. However, when Goff was forced to hold on to the ball (4 seconds)and create he was among the very worst QBs.

A final thought: lots of hoopla about Hurts, some of it deserved. I thought he made some nice throws to the sideline in the SB but his decision making and accuracy on long range throws was questionable at best. Saw him throw into double coverage twice and was lucky to not be intercepted. The first throw was misplayed by McDuffie and resulted in the AJ Brown TD, the next ended up being a 50/50 ball with the DB in better position. That throw was incomplete. Either of those balls gets intercepted and you have a different scenario regarding Hurts. KC won because Mahomes didn't make mistakes. Hurts also had the key fumble return for a TD.
 

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