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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Getting ready for camp. (31 Viewers)

2025 NFL Draft guide​


How to watch​

The draft will be carried by both the NFL Network and ESPN.

Round 1: Thursday, 8 p.m.

Rounds 2-3: Friday, 6 p.m.

Rounds 4-7: Saturday, noon

Detroit’s picks​

First round: No. 28

Second round: No. 60

Third round: No. 102 (compensatory for New York Jets hiring Aaron Glenn)

Fourth round: No. 130

Fifth round: None

Sixth round: No. 196

Seventh round: No. 228 and No. 244

Lions’ recent draft classes​

2021: OT Penei Sewell, DT Levi Onwuzurike, DT Alim McNeill, DB Ifeatu Melifonwu, WR Amon-Ra St. Brown, LB Derrick Barnes, RB Jermar Jefferson

2022: Edge Aidan Hutchinson, WR Jameson Williams, DL Josh Paschal, S Kerby Joseph, TE James Mitchell, LB Malcolm Rodriguez, Edge James Houston, CB Chase Lucas

2023: RB Jahmyr Gibbs, LB Jack Campbell, TE Sam LaPorta, S Brian Branch, QB Hendon Hooker, DT Brodric Martin, OL Colby Sorsdal, WR Antoine Green

2024: CB Terrion Arnold, CB Ennis Rakestraw, OT Giovanni Manu, RB Sione Vaki, DT Mekhi Wingo, G Chrisitan Mahogany

Last-minute mocks​

Daniel Jeremiah, NFL.com: Donovan Jackson, OL, Ohio State

Matt Miller, ESPN: Tyler Booker, G, Alabama

Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk: Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon

Dane Brugler, The Athletic: Maxwell Hairston, CB, Kentucky

Pro Football Focus Staff: Donovan Ezeiruaku, Edge, Boston College

Todd McShay, The Ringer: Trade down for picks 34 and 99
 
My ideal game plan is for the other 27 teams currently ahead of us to overlook the trenches enough to allow more bucket players to stay in the bucket until the Lions pick.
 
My ideal game plan is for the other 27 teams currently ahead of us to overlook the trenches enough to allow more bucket players to stay in the bucket until the Lions pick.
Every QB, WR, RB, TE and DB who goes is a win for us.


I think Dart goes before our pick and higher than many think which helps.
 
I don’t know much about Tyleik but he’s got a lot of Alim McNeil in him with the rare combo of size and quick feet.
Definitely a position of need, too. Both short-term to fill in until alim is healthy and long term to replace reader.
NFL.com: "NFL Comparison Alim McNeill".
Text right before the pick to my brother was "they're going to take somebody that nobody expects". Nailed it.
 
Listening to Holmes' presser it would appear that Williams may have been who they were targeting all along. They were quite fearful they were going to miss out on him the way the draft was developing and he was the only quality IDL left. He was questioned about edge but didn't want to show his cards.
Williams was described as a great culture fit. He looks like a guy who can be a long term player and mainstay on defense.
 
Greg Cosell provided an insightful analysis of top defensive tackle prospects, highlighting Nolen as the standout candidate. Thought he liked Williams more than Harmon and Collins.
His take was that Williams had the traits to be a dominant player and that he was dominant at times but was also inconsistent. Described him as strong, with strong hands and quick feet. Was often removed on 3rd down. Can push the pocket.
 
NFL.com: "NFL Comparison Alim McNeill".
If I recall correctly, McNeill had a 3rd or 4th round grade by most sites and was considered limited as a pass rusher. We'll see how Williams develops his pass rushing moves but he is an elite run stuffer and pushing the pocket makes everything tough on a QB. I don't know enough about Williams to know if it was a good pick but Holmes obviously targeted him.
 
Listening to Holmes' presser it would appear that Williams may have been who they were targeting all along. They were quite fearful they were going to miss out on him the way the draft was developing and he was the only quality IDL left. He was questioned about edge but didn't want to show his cards.
Williams was described as a great culture fit. He looks like a guy who can be a long term player and mainstay on defense.
Have you ever heard a GM say otherwise?
 
I was hoping for Green but im not gonna complain about taking a starting DL from one of the best programs in the country (as much as it pains me to say that about them)
 
Listening to Holmes' presser it would appear that Williams may have been who they were targeting all along. They were quite fearful they were going to miss out on him the way the draft was developing and he was the only quality IDL left. He was questioned about edge but didn't want to show his cards.
Williams was described as a great culture fit. He looks like a guy who can be a long term player and mainstay on defense.

Problem is he is going to have to beat out Broderick Thomas for playing time. 😜

I was driving home when the pick was made on ESPN Radio the pundits had Williams anywhere from 41-67th player taken. Funny watching and listening to all the mocks and local radio show never heard William's name once. I watched 4-5 OSU games this season and never noticed him. Wonder now if Lions had Grant as their #1DT and Williams #2?

So did Holmes reach a little? Maybe, maybe not. McNeil's injury might have played a factor, and would not be surprised to see Z return on a 1 year deal soon.
 
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If the Lions can draft a good edge prospect (would love Landon Jackson), I'd give them an A+ grade.
It wouldn't surprise me if they try to move up in the 2nd if there is someone they have in mind.

Jackson or Ratledge make sense. So does the Stanford WR, could be the X or big slot, replacement for Patrick a year down the road.

Might have to move up a few spots to get the RG or move up half a round to land the Arkansas ED.

Listening to Holmes' presser it would appear that Williams may have been who they were targeting all along. They were quite fearful they were going to miss out on him the way the draft was developing and he was the only quality IDL left. He was questioned about edge but didn't want to show his cards.
Williams was described as a great culture fit. He looks like a guy who can be a long term player and mainstay on defense.

Problem is he is going to have to beat out Broderick Thomas for playing time. 😜

I was driving home when the pick was made on ESPN Radio the pundits had Williams anywhere from 41-67th player taken. Funny watching and listening to all the mocks and local radio show never heard William's name once. I watched 4-5 OSU games this season and never noticed him. Wonder now if Lions had Grant as their #1DT and Williams #2?

So did Holmes reach a little? Maybe, maybe not. McNeil's injury might have played a factor, and would not be surprised to see Z return on a 1 year deal soon.

I'm a little confused what you meant by the bolded (probaby something obvious and my brain is fuzzy this morning lol.)

They have three DI on expiring deals and a wasted space who is taking his number 99 back after renting it to Za'Darius (it may be up for grabs again at the end of TC.)

Of course the standard Lions verbiage is always we don't draft for need and don't even have a depth chart in the war room but sure seems like grabbing the last good player at a position of need. There are other non-blue chip Edge pocket crushers out there in the next two rounds and plenty of options for G in any of the next 3 rounds. This seems like the very definition of a drafting for needs pick.

Kind of B+ pick in my mind. Green and Pearce both had the same two general red flags that should have told us they weren't really interested, and they've been consistent about their preferences for 5 straight. They generally don't like smaller speed rushers who are weak at setting the edge in run defense, and they have zero tolerance for character concerns or lack of work ethic. Falcons paid a lot to double dip at Edge and schematically that's a good fit for them, like the aggression. Green still out there but probably not a culture fit.

ETA - Green has had sexual assault allegations 2x, he's been very open about it and neither resulted in charges being filed, but just not the kind of dude they want IMO



Donovan Ezeiruaku is still out there and seems like a more athletic, more productive version of James Houston IV. 1.5" taller and 4 pounds heavier, better at run defense than The Problem ever was but the draft profile just isn't what they are looking for rn in the current scheme:

Weaknesses​

  • Works under the block and loses contain.
  • Gets engulfed by size when blockers get into him.
  • Size of tackles helps to wear down his rush energy.
  • Lacks bull-rush power to collapse tackles into pockets.
  • Rush plan needs more time to develop and diversify.
  • Average pursuit speed and closing burst.
He's a good football player, not explosive but smart and productive. As a rush OLB in a 3-4 base he should be a good pro.
 
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Personally, I think they wanted Pearce and Atlanta traded up in front of them. Brad got out GM'd by the Falcons.
If Holmes wanted Pearce bad enough he would have moved up well before the pick Atlanta traded for. But there were reportedly concerns about his effort in practice among other things so I'm not sure they had Pearce on their board. He's also on the smaller side so he's not a scheme fit.
 
if you go to the PFF mock draft simulator, they have an option to prefill the first 32 picks. Here is what I came up with for the Lions on Day 2 and Day 3 (with no trades, which is not realistic given Holmes has made 10 draft day trades the last two years.):
  1. DI Tyleik Williams Ohio State
  2. CB Shavon Revel South Carolina 6'2" 194
    Not a position of need, just a draft and develop guy who could go outside in a year to push Reed inside. needs to be better with his punch in press man but has the size, length and speed to be an outstanding CB2 (Stanford WR and UGA RG were off the board)
  3. ED Elijah Roberts SMU 6'4" 285
    Couple of good run defenders with pass rush potential here; Aston Gillotte Louisville 6'3" 265 or Sai'vion Jones 6'5" 280 might be good fits here as well, slim pickings already at WR, S or LB
  4. G Willie Lampkin UNC 5'10" 270
    Not a typo, he is undersized. Three years at Coastal Carolina and the last two as a Tar Heel, can play all three interior spots, 1st team All American whom Lance Zierlein described thusly:

    When it comes to the three phases of a run block (positioning/sustain/finish), Lampkin has the best tape I’ve studied of any prospect in the 2025 draft. He’s tremendously quick and athletic to beat defenders to the spot laterally or to climb and connect in space. He plays with excellent hand placement, leverage and footwork to sustain blocks. He uses that stickiness to finish blocks, too. He’s sound in pass protection but will give way to size and length from time to time. Plays with consistent effort, grit and technique. Possesses the footwork and athleticism to get to all move blocks. Consistently works to swivel hips into position to seal blocks post-contact. Leverage and core strength make him a human doorstop at the point of attack. Runs feet through block engagement to stay sticky on his block. Sees twists and slides quickly to meet the rush.

    No getting around the substandard size and reach but really intriguing prospect who could be a really good run block as a pro, but likely just as a depth piece.
  5. KeAndre Lambert-Smith Auburn 6'1" 190
    I failed to find the Tim Patrick replacement on Day 2 and this guy cannot take the Kalif Raymond in a year. You might remember him from his 3 years at Penn State, has never played in a good passing attack so he lacks some refinement and despite his 4.37 40 he lacks difference making long speed. Kam Chancellor's nephwe. You can do worse with pick 196.
  6. Jackson Slater G Sacramento State 6'3" 311
    Very athletic, great at pulling, scans the gaps to look for protection when not engaged, low pads and wide base - could see this guy developing into a Ragnow replacement in a few years. I like him better than the C who are going in the same vicinity (Boston College and USC centers.) Might go in the Top 175 so probably shouldn't count on him being here at 228.
  7. Teddye Buchannon LB California 6'2" 233
    Guys like this - productive players with less than ideal length/eight think Rodrigo back in 2022 - offer value because they don't fit the prototype. While we don't need a LB today, we do need a coverage LB if/when they move on from Anzalone. As a rookie he will be a core four-phase special teamer, always nice to land guys with upside who have done ST in college. Like a lot of picks I took, more of a draft and develop kind of pick. Some teams (Eagles, Lions and Ravens come to mind) approach roster construction with attempts to future proof by drafting guys who might need a year or two of development before they're ready to see significant snap counts.
 
Another iteration without lengthy write-ups
  1. DI Tyleik Williams Ohio State 6'3" 334
  2. WR Elic Ayomanor Standord 6'2" 206 (RG Tate Ratledge UGA 6'6 1/2" 308 also available)
  3. ED Ashton Gillotte Louisville 6'3" 264 (or ED S Jones LSU)
  4. LB Jeffrey Bassa Oregon 6'1" 232 good coverage Will LB but maybe needs development in run fits
  5. G Connor Colby Iowa 6'6" 309 like the Minnesota G better but he was gone; 50 g starter but lacks footwork and agility they want from their guards, may never be a starter
  6. S Maxen Hook Toledo 6'0 1/2" 202 big and fast, flys around the field, hustler, all the white guy cliches apply, gonna be a great Special Teamer
  7. LB Jay Higgins Iowa 6'0" 224 undersized, gaudy production (All American) but not twitchy or fast enough to trust in coverage, probabLy a UDFA who will be a camp darling.
    7A do-over G Timothy McKay UNC should just call him OL because he can play all along the front, started at RG/RT for 3 years, but never really dominated in his 6 year college career. Likely another quality UDFA signing.
 
Personally, I think they wanted Pearce and Atlanta traded up in front of them. Brad got out GM'd by the Falcons.

Holmes took Jalen Carter off his board because he didn't want to interview with the Lions because he would be drafted before they picked. You really believe Pearce was on their board?
 
Personally, I think they wanted Pearce and Atlanta traded up in front of them. Brad got out GM'd by the Falcons.

Holmes took Jalen Carter off his board because he didn't want to interview with the Lions because he would be drafted before they picked. You really believe Pearce was on their board?
Carter was not on their board because of character concerns and I'm guessing the same for Pierce. Even if Pierce was he doesn't fit their scheme because he is too small.
 
Personally, I think they wanted Pearce and Atlanta traded up in front of them. Brad got out GM'd by the Falcons.

Holmes took Jalen Carter off his board because he didn't want to interview with the Lions because he would be drafted before they picked. You really believe Pearce was on their board?
Carter was not on their board because of character concerns and I'm guessing the same for Pierce. Even if Pierce was he doesn't fit their scheme because he is too small.

If Carter was completely off their board then why ask and waste an interview?
 

New Lions DT Tyleik Williams confirms Bills expressed strong interest at No. 30


Allen Park — As the Detroit Lions inched closer to being on the clock in the first round of the 2025 NFL Draft Thursday night, general manager Brad Holmes fielded phone calls gauging his interest in trading the pick.

The GM admitted one offer was particularly compelling, allowing the Lions to still select in the first round. With only four teams behind them in the draft order, the pitch had to come from either Washington, Buffalo, Philadelphia, or Kansas City.

And while we can't say for certain, there is a strong possibility that the call came from Philadelphia. Shortly after the Lions selected Ohio State defensive tackle Tyleik Williams at No. 28, the Eagles sent a fifth-rounder to the Chiefs to move up one spot and snag Alabama linebacker Jihaad Campbell.

Holmes ultimately decided to stay put because he feared their desired target, Williams, would be gone by the time they'd be back on the clock.

"Just didn't feel great just kind of how it was thinning out for us specifically," Holmes said. "… You've just kind of got to try to make the most responsible decision that you can. We thought about it. There was one enticing one, but we just felt that with the depth of that group right there and how the board was falling out, felt it was the most responsible thing to stay put."

Based on Williams' comments during Friday's introductory press conference, the Lions had reason to be concerned. Heading into Thursday, he had received strong feedback that he could land with the Lions after a good meeting at the combine and a 30 visit to the team's practice facility. But if not Detroit, Buffalo had expressed similar interest.

"Yeah, it was kind of the same conversation I was having with the Lions," Williams said. "They kind of told me if I was there, they wanted me. I had talks with the head coach (Sean McDermott), the d-line coach (Marcus West). They said they loved my game and how I played. It definitely was a possibility."

Local reports highlighted Buffalo's glaring need for a defensive tackle entering this draft. The Buffalo News ranked the need a 9 out of 10 before the draft.

"There is not an ideal backup for veteran DaQuan Jones, who enters the last year of his contract and is 33," the publication wrote. "Both current backups at defensive tackle — DeWayne Carter and Larry Ogonjobi — can play Jones' 1-technique spot (opposite a shoulder of the center). But they are better at 3-technique, opposite the outside shoulder of a guard, where Ed Oliver starts. The primary backup to Jones last season was Austin Johnson, but he was not re-signed. In looking at the draft class, the presumption is the Bills will lean toward nose tackles, or 1-technique DTs, over 3-technique players."

The Bills ended up addressing another top need after the Lions selected Williams, grabbing Kentucky cornerback Maxwell Hairston at No. 30 overall.
 
Personally, I think they wanted Pearce and Atlanta traded up in front of them. Brad got out GM'd by the Falcons.

Holmes took Jalen Carter off his board because he didn't want to interview with the Lions because he would be drafted before they picked. You really believe Pearce was on their board?
Carter was not on their board because of character concerns and I'm guessing the same for Pierce. Even if Pierce was he doesn't fit their scheme because he is too small.

If Carter was completely off their board then why ask and waste an interview?
They likely were just going their due dllgence.
 
Personally, I think they wanted Pearce and Atlanta traded up in front of them. Brad got out GM'd by the Falcons.

Holmes took Jalen Carter off his board because he didn't want to interview with the Lions because he would be drafted before they picked. You really believe Pearce was on their board?
Carter was not on their board because of character concerns and I'm guessing the same for Pierce. Even if Pierce was he doesn't fit their scheme because he is too small.

If Carter was completely off their board then why ask and waste an interview?
They likely were just going their due dllgence.
Yes and I’ve heard sometimes in those interviews they liked to ask players about their teammates and guys they played against. Can use it to get some perspective on a host of other players.
 

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