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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 X-Season in the books. Time for final cuts. (10 Viewers)

Just read how hard it was for Thielen to go from Mankato State to the the Minnesota Vikings and Kennelly has nothing to be embarrassed about. The fact that they don’t even need Vaki to play safety because they’re so loaded at the position should have told me right away that Kennelly was DOA for the Lions. We will see if he gets another chance with a team that could use one in the pipeline in two weeks years time. I might email Mougey of the Jets for kicks. Before anyone thinks I’m delusional—all I got in life is time so I don’t care if two clicks send to whoever relays that **** along winds up in the trash basket. What could it hurt?
 
We have gone back and forth on Edge Rusher over the past few months. I have wanted Brad to be more aggressive in adding somebody opposite Hutch.

Are those of you who have been telling me "trust Brad" really happy with the edge situation?
It's 10 days before game 1 and no Smith. No Clowney. Just often injured Davenport.
 
We have gone back and forth on Edge Rusher over the past few months. I have wanted Brad to be more aggressive in adding somebody opposite Hutch.

Are those of you who have been telling me "trust Brad" really happy with the edge situation?
It's 10 days before game 1 and no Smith. No Clowney. Just often injured Davenport.
It is certainly the weakness of this team, every team has them. Hutchinson’s health is paramount as are most teams best player on defense. How much cap space does Detroit have right now?
 
We have gone back and forth on Edge Rusher over the past few months. I have wanted Brad to be more aggressive in adding somebody opposite Hutch.

Are those of you who have been telling me "trust Brad" really happy with the edge situation?
It's 10 days before game 1 and no Smith. No Clowney. Just often injured Davenport.
It is certainly the weakness of this team, every team has them. Hutchinson’s health is paramount as are most teams best player on defense. How much cap space does Detroit have right now?
~$50 million or so, but they're clearly trying to save every penny that they can so they can carry it over to next year
 
I mentioned in a previous post that I've been playing Madden 26. I'm simulating Detroit's season and man, it really drives home how tough the schedule is going to be. A couple respites playing Cleveland, NYG, and (maybe) Chicago, but otherwise it's just elite teams one after the other
 
Brodric and Hooker both moving on, as expected. Hooker to Carolina, Brodric to KC. BBQ upgrades for both.

Every GM swings and misses on picks. Holmes has been right so much it is hard to bash a couple of mistakes.
That's true, but it's also why I'm not a big fan of his willingness over the past couple years to trade away future draft capital. If Arnold and TeSlaa both turn out to be studs, I guess it will be worth it, but when this team is paying Goff, Hutch, ARSB, Sewell, etc. they're going to need a lot of solid mid-rounders to fill out the roster
 
We have gone back and forth on Edge Rusher over the past few months. I have wanted Brad to be more aggressive in adding somebody opposite Hutch.

Are those of you who have been telling me "trust Brad" really happy with the edge situation?
It's 10 days before game 1 and no Smith. No Clowney. Just often injured Davenport.

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Lions GM talks Za'Darius Smith, waiving rookie, Hutchinson extension talks and why team kept only 50 on initial roster


Allen Park — Detroit Lions general manager Brad Holmes and assistant general manager Ray Agnew met with the media Thursday morning to discuss the recent establishment of the team’s initial "53-man" roster.

Below are the highlights from that nearly half-hour conversation.

● Let’s get the Za’Darius Smith stuff out of the way, because there’s going to be a segment of the audience only here for that information.

The Lions still have an open roster spot, with many speculating it’s being reserved for the veteran pass rusher. While Holmes didn’t shut the door on the possibility — an approach he’s maintained all offseason — he made it sound as if it’s not the current plan.

“You guys know me, anything is a possibility,” Holmes said. “At any point, I don't know what's going to happen. We just have one open roster spot. It's not for a specific player. It's for the player that makes the most sense for us, whoever that player may be. We went into last year, I think, with 52. It just gives some flexibility. It's not just about that player.”

A few minutes later, Holmes was asked if he's had any recent talks with Smith, casting further doubts on an imminent reunion.

“Not recently, no,” Holmes said.

Obviously, these situations can change in a hurry. Still, if you ask a Magic Eight Ball, at best, you’re getting, “Ask again later.”

Smith, a trade deadline acquisition to help bridge the loss of Aidan Hutchinson last season, delivered 36 quarterback pressures and 4.0 sacks during his half-season with the Lions. The team held a contract option to retain him for the 2025 season and expressed interest in continuing forward at a reduced salary before the sides parted ways in March.

The Lions only carried three edge rushers on the team’s initial roster after cuts, but have since added a depth piece, claiming Tyrus Wheat off waivers from Dallas. The team also has multiple interior linemen, including Pat O’Connor, Mekhi Wingo and another waiver claim, Tyler Lacy, who have experience playing snaps on the edge.

“Tyrus, he’s got some edge-rush ability,” Agnew said. “He’ll be a good depth at the defensive end position and help out in pass rush and run play.”

● The other edge rusher storyline this offseason has been a potential extension for Hutchinson. Holmes said the two sides are talking about a deal.

“Nothing’s changed from our end, in terms of the importance of getting something done,” he said. “We have had dialogue. That has started. So we’ll just kind of see where it goes. In terms of the level of importance, that has not changed. It is very important.”

● One of the most interesting elements of Detroit’s recent roster cuts is that they trimmed down to 50 players, well below the required 53. Holmes expressed contentment with the strategy, noting they’ll continue to operate this way if they don’t think they have 53 players worthy of making the team.

“I thought it was awesome,” Holmes said. “I loved it. I don’t think it’ll be the last time that you’ll see that.”

The Lions have since added three players, signing veteran safety Daniel Thomas and claiming Wheat and Lacy off waivers. They also opened another spot by trading wide receiver Tim Patrick to the Jaguars for draft compensation.

Holmes was asked why the team didn’t just keep 53 at the deadline and adjust later. The GM responded by saying the team is not going to put an undeserving player on the roster to fill a quota.

“Why not do the best 53? Well, if you only have 50 that we deemed as the standards of making it, then you’ve got to look elsewhere,” Holmes said. “So that’s the approach that we did.”

● Two players the Lions let go were 2023 third-round draft picks Hendon Hooker and Brodric Martin. Overall, Holmes has been stellar in the draft, which has fueled Detroit’s rise from bottom-feeder to Super Bowl contender. Regardless, those two have been his biggest misses in the event.

Holmes said every decision is an opportunity to evaluate yourself and your decision-making process. Through that, he has identified things he would change. However, he still feels good about the work put into making those selections.

“I think all you can do is put all the work in and feel good when you take the player,” Holmes said. “Look, I think there’s risk involved with every single pick that you do.”

Holmes referenced a quote from a financial analyst and author, Morgan Housel: “Risk is what’s left over when you think you’ve thought of everything.”

“I don’t know how much more preparation that we could have done when we select these players, but it’s just a respect of the unknown,” Holmes said. “Unfortunately, they did not meet expectations in the timely manner that we would have liked for them to do, but you’ve just got to look at it. I’m a big self-assessment individual, after-action review. Look at it. Analyze it. I think we’ve already identified some areas (of improvement) already. You’ve just got to learn. You’ve just got to grow and get better.”

● Multiple times in recent months, Holmes has talked about the roster being in a place where the team no longer had room it previously did for developmental projects. That seemingly played into the decisions with Hooker and Martin.

However, Holmes noted he won’t shy away from a project in the future if the situation is right.

“It’s not that we won’t go for that anymore,” Holmes said. “I think everyone is case-by-case. …It’s just, I think where we’re at as a roster right now, you’re just more cognizant of it. I think there’s times and windows to strike here and there, but you’re just more aware of it, as opposed to when we first started (in 2021). We just had a lot more room for those guys and had a lot more time. I would never say that we would not take a developmental player, but it’s just got to be the right situation.”

● On the decision to trade Patrick, Holmes spoke glowingly about what the veteran meant to the team. Still, the decision to move on was best for the franchise.

“First of all, outstanding individual,” Holmes said. “I mean you’re talking about a pro’s pro, everything that we were about. I think everything — him coming in last year, going on the practice squad, earning (a spot on the active roster). I mean, he was — Tim is awesome. I wish him the best.”

The GM also noted he had interest from multiple teams, which would explain why he was able to pull a sixth-round selection from the Jaguars, as opposed to a seventh-rounder or conditional choice.

The understandable perception is that the trade was facilitated by the rapid development of rookie Isaac TeSlaa. However, Holmes preached continued patience with the team’s third-round pick.

“Obviously it may open up some more (opportunities) for him, but I think you’ve got to still keep in perspective that TeSlaa’s a rookie, a young player,” Holmes said. “He’s had a good training camp, a good preseason, but we’ll just see how it goes.”

● Regarding another rookie expected to play a big role this season, offensive lineman Tate Ratledge, Holmes acknowledged the franchise remains high on the former Georgia standout's long-term potential as a center.

“Yeah, we do,” Holmes said. “I say that with I don’t know what the future’s going to bring. But yeah, I think we felt good about trying him here. And look, I think he could’ve handled it if we just could’ve left him there. But when you start looking at the whole combination of him and Graham (Glasgow) and everything, I think that that was the best thing for not only the players being put in the best positions, but also for the team.

“…We knew what he was at right guard,” Holmes continued. “We already know that, so we were very confident about that. But we felt confident about the center stuff, and he’s shown that he’s going to be able to do it. So, it’s an argument that the ceiling is even higher there, at that position, at center.”

● Holmes also explained the decision to waive rookie defensive end Ahmed Hassanein with an injury settlement, while vowing that the edge rusher will eventually return to the team this season.

“Yeah, there were multiple avenues that we could have went with that one,” Holmes said, referring to the possibility of putting Hassanein on IR instead of waiving him. “What we wanted to do is what is going to be the best path for him to get him back to the practice field when he’s healthy? The injury settlement was the way to go. Especially him, specifically, with where he was at in his football career.

“Bottom line, he’s going to be a Detroit Lion,” Holmes said. “He’s going to be back on the football field playing this year.”

● Holmes was asked about his thoughts regarding how Alex Anzalone’s situation played out this offseason, with the veteran linebacker and defensive captain expressing discontent with his contract before getting the final year of his current deal fully guaranteed.

“I think that’s part of it, that we do have a lot of players that we’re paying and we’re trying to keep around,” Holmes said. “Also, I understand from Alex’s standpoint, too. I’ve always said with Alex, he’s always been a good player. He just happened to go through some things early in his career that he peaked a little bit later. When you peak a little bit later, then now, you have all of these other (contractual) things going on, it’s hard to make the forecast sometimes.

“I understand where he was coming from,” Holmes continued. “We had productive communication with that and I’m glad that we came to a resolution for the immediate.”

Beyond this season, Holmes said the situation remains uncertain, but he could see Anzalone remaining in the fold beyond 2025.
 
WRT Hassanein, was happy to hear this.

“Yeah, there were multiple avenues that we could have went with that one,” Holmes said, referring to the possibility of putting Hassanein on IR instead of waiving him. “What we wanted to do is what is going to be the best path for him to get him back to the practice field when he’s healthy? The injury settlement was the way to go. Especially him, specifically, with where he was at in his football career.

“Bottom line, he’s going to be a Detroit Lion,” Holmes said. “He’s going to be back on the football field playing this year.”

When he is healthy they can sign him directly to the practice squad. He will def be able to help in the latter part of the season based on what was said today.



Nobody brought up Kennelly but Justin said in the chat it came down to Strickland finished TC better & led the team in tackles vs the Texans. They had him last year so they obviously felt like on balance it was better to resign the guy they knew better to the practice squad.

Breaks the silly 15 year streak of a UDFA making the 53-man roster out of TC.



Dave Birkett (FreeP) asked a Q that seemed confrontational in the moment but both Birkett & Rogers said it didn’t feel that way in the room. It was a question about why cut down to 50, then claim/sign3 - why not go with 53 & adjust later if you end of claiming or signing other players? Holmes took a minute to clarify and said “There were 50 guys out of the 91 who met the standard. If you don’t have 51-53 in house, go out and find guys that fit you culture. We like the flexibility it gave us and it probably won’t be the last time we do it.”

Justin R and Dave B talked about that after the presser ended and it seems like either 1) there’s a strategic tactic to keeping [50] that Holmes doesn’t want to divulge, or 2) from a players perspective, it would be especially cruel to tell them Tuesday they made the team only to turn around on Wednesday & have to tell them they’re going in a different direction. Would be very off brand to mess with guys heads with that kind of stuff.



In the beginning of the presser someone lobbed a softball about which returning players made the biggest jump since they lost to the Commanders? Quick answer was (besides Jamo…) Terrion Arnold. Showed up on like a different level and maintained it throughout TC.

Also thought Rake was on that line of trajectory, obviously disappointed they lost him and Levi early, but Ennis is still a big part of the long term CB room.

Even with losing Onwuzurike & Rakestraw, said this is the most complete roster in the 5 years they’ve been here. Young OL so it might not be as smooth as the previous 3 years, but they like their starters a lot & overall this team is the deepest roster of this run.

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We have gone back and forth on Edge Rusher over the past few months. I have wanted Brad to be more aggressive in adding somebody opposite Hutch.

Are those of you who have been telling me "trust Brad" really happy with the edge situation?
It's 10 days before game 1 and no Smith. No Clowney. Just often injured Davenport.
It is certainly the weakness of this team, every team has them. Hutchinson’s health is paramount as are most teams best player on defense. How much cap space does Detroit have right now?
~$50 million or so, but they're clearly trying to save every penny that they can so they can carry it over to next year
Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.
He is more focused on long term even though it's impossible to keep the players they have. Some are going to be gone.
Jamo, LaPorta, Branch....one or two of those guys are going to be gone.
So why not make the big move and go for it all. That has been my question all off-season.
 
Birkett (FreeP) asked a Q that seemed confrontational in the moment but both Birkett & Rogers said it didn’t feel that way in the room. It was a question about why cut down to 50, then claim/sign3 - why not go with 53 & adjust later if you end of claiming or signing other players? Holmes took a minute to clarify and said “There were 50 guys out of the 91 who met the standard. If you don’t have 51-53 in house, go out and find guys that fit you culture. We like the flexibility it gave us and it probably won’t be the last time we do it.”

Justin R and Dave B talked about that after the presser ended and it seems like either 1) there’s a strategic aspect to keeping that Holmes doesn’t want to divulge, or 2) from a players perspective, it would be especially cruel to tell them Tuesday they made the team only to turn around on Wednesday & have to tell them they’re going in a different direction. Would be very off brand to mess with guys heads with that kind of stuff.
I like his way of thinking, it's the type of thinking that makes players want to play for a team.
 
Even with losing Onwuzurike & Rakestraw, said this is the most complete roster in the 5 years they’ve been here. Young OL so it might not be as smooth as the previous 3 years, but they like their starters a lot & overall this team is the deepest roster of this run.
I have to agree with this. Now it's up to the players to get it done.
 
In this year’s NFL Top 100 list for the 2025 season—which is voted on by the players—the Lions’ two-time first-team All-Pro right tackle Penei Sewell checks in as the 13th-best player in the NFL. It is the highest ranking for any offensive lineman.

It’s a nine-spot jump for Sewell, who checked in at No. 22 in 2024 after he was (shockingly) unranked after his first two years in the league.
 
  • Detroit Lions 2025 Cap Space $48.15 m
  • Detroit Lions 2026 Cap Space (-$54.4 m)

That is super misleading because it doesn't take into account how much the cap will go up and the fact Goff has a 70 million dollar cap hit that will be renegotiated and guys like Sewell and ARSB have large cap hits that could also be worked down.
 
In this year’s NFL Top 100 list for the 2025 season—which is voted on by the players—the Lions’ two-time first-team All-Pro right tackle Penei Sewell checks in as the 13th-best player in the NFL. It is the highest ranking for any offensive lineman.

It’s a nine-spot jump for Sewell, who checked in at No. 22 in 2024 after he was (shockingly) unranked after his first two years in the league.
Yes, those lists always seem a little behind the curve.
 
  • Detroit Lions 2025 Cap Space $48.15 m
  • Detroit Lions 2026 Cap Space (-$54.4 m)

That is super misleading because it doesn't take into account how much the cap will go up and the fact Goff has a 70 million dollar cap hit that will be renegotiated and guys like Sewell and ARSB have large cap hits that could also be worked down.

Actually, the $54.4M over the cap takes into account the 2026 Cap rising to $295M. It could float slightly higher. IIRC two years ago it was $233M, this year it will likely be $277-281M.

It's true the Lions have the flexibility to do simple restructures on several of the recent large deals. That is not an accident; they do actually plan and forecast.

We also have the looming prospect of making Hutch the highest paid non-QB in the league. That is not a trivial event.

Plus Branch & LaPorta next year and Jah and Campbell the year after that.

That's a lot of spinning plates on poles going on, but I guess we should just be an ostrich and yell out YOLO as we trade away future assets so we can say we went for it.

(they're already going for it and you are never one player away, but it's not worth burning 50 calories to even try to reason with the sky is falling folks.)
 
In this year’s NFL Top 100 list for the 2025 season—which is voted on by the players—the Lions’ two-time first-team All-Pro right tackle Penei Sewell checks in as the 13th-best player in the NFL. It is the highest ranking for any offensive lineman.

It’s a nine-spot jump for Sewell, who checked in at No. 22 in 2024 after he was (shockingly) unranked after his first two years in the league.
Yes, those lists always seem a little behind the curve.

Oh, for sure. They ignore huge swaths of outstanding players, it’s as bad as the Pro Bowl selections. You think GMs & HCs don’t know how valuable BB is to this team? Has never made it, gonna have to make all pro first lol.
 
  • Detroit Lions 2025 Cap Space $48.15 m
  • Detroit Lions 2026 Cap Space (-$54.4 m)

That is super misleading because it doesn't take into account how much the cap will go up and the fact Goff has a 70 million dollar cap hit that will be renegotiated and guys like Sewell and ARSB have large cap hits that could also be worked down.

Actually, the $54.4M over the cap takes into account the 2026 Cap rising to $295M. It could float slightly higher. IIRC two years ago it was $233M, this year it will likely be $277-281M.

It's true the Lions have the flexibility to do simple restructures on several of the recent large deals. That is not an accident; they do actually plan and forecast.

We also have the looming prospect of making Hutch the highest paid non-QB in the league. That is not a trivial event.

Plus Branch & LaPorta next year and Jah and Campbell the year after that.

That's a lot of spinning plates on poles going on, but I guess we should just be an ostrich and yell out YOLO as we trade away future assets so we can say we went for it.

(they're already going for it and you are never one player away, but it's not worth burning 50 calories to even try to reason with the sky is falling folks.)

Love the Lion fanatics that just scream YOLO every time anyone disagrees. When no one has said that. You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.

Hutch's deal may save them money next year.
 
@Ilov80s - remember the Edge from Army (2023)?

Lions filled their last practice squad spot with another edge rusher, former Army standout Andre Carter II.

Loved that guy coming out. 6’7”, 255, tested well but then on the last day only put up 11 reps on the 225 bench.

UDFA who spent 1.75 years on the Vikings practice squad. Poached by the Raiders last December, earned a rotational role down the stretch.

His dad is NT Rubin Carter (Denver Orange Crush defense that went to Super Bowl XII.)
 
This trade was bad for two reasons.

The Packers got way better and the Hutch price keeps going up.

While we rest our hopes on Davenport, the Packers went out and made the big move we should have. And somehow they managed to make it work financially.
That's the difference between a team doing what it takes to win a Super Bowl and a team just trying to remain good enough.
 
  • Detroit Lions 2025 Cap Space $48.15 m
  • Detroit Lions 2026 Cap Space (-$54.4 m)

That is super misleading because it doesn't take into account how much the cap will go up and the fact Goff has a 70 million dollar cap hit that will be renegotiated and guys like Sewell and ARSB have large cap hits that could also be worked down.

Actually, the $54.4M over the cap takes into account the 2026 Cap rising to $295M. It could float slightly higher. IIRC two years ago it was $233M, this year it will likely be $277-281M.

It's true the Lions have the flexibility to do simple restructures on several of the recent large deals. That is not an accident; they do actually plan and forecast.

We also have the looming prospect of making Hutch the highest paid non-QB in the league. That is not a trivial event.

Plus Branch & LaPorta next year and Jah and Campbell the year after that.

That's a lot of spinning plates on poles going on, but I guess we should just be an ostrich and yell out YOLO as we trade away future assets so we can say we went for it.

(they're already going for it and you are never one player away, but it's not worth burning 50 calories to even try to reason with the sky is falling folks.)
Bobby, I hate to break it to you, but they are not keeping all those players. Branch is all but gone. Absolutely cannot pay two safeties that kind of money.
Jamo probably gone. LaPorta may be as well.

And I disagree that you can be one player away.
 
We have gone back and forth on Edge Rusher over the past few months. I have wanted Brad to be more aggressive in adding somebody opposite Hutch.

Are those of you who have been telling me "trust Brad" really happy with the edge situation?
It's 10 days before game 1 and no Smith. No Clowney. Just often injured Davenport.
It is certainly the weakness of this team, every team has them. Hutchinson’s health is paramount as are most teams best player on defense. How much cap space does Detroit have right now?
~$50 million or so, but they're clearly trying to save every penny that they can so they can carry it over to next year
Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.
He is more focused on long term even though it's impossible to keep the players they have. Some are going to be gone.
Jamo, LaPorta, Branch....one or two of those guys are going to be gone.
So why not make the big move and go for it all. That has been my question all off-season.

It is too late for the "Big" move now. At least until trading deadline.

The way it stands now it does not look like Z will be back. Time is running out to get some work in before the opener.
  • Detroit Lions 2025 Cap Space $48.15 m
  • Detroit Lions 2026 Cap Space (-$54.4 m)

That is super misleading because it doesn't take into account how much the cap will go up and the fact Goff has a 70 million dollar cap hit that will be renegotiated and guys like Sewell and ARSB have large cap hits that could also be worked down.

Actually, the $54.4M over the cap takes into account the 2026 Cap rising to $295M. It could float slightly higher. IIRC two years ago it was $233M, this year it will likely be $277-281M.

It's true the Lions have the flexibility to do simple restructures on several of the recent large deals. That is not an accident; they do actually plan and forecast.

We also have the looming prospect of making Hutch the highest paid non-QB in the league. That is not a trivial event.

Plus Branch & LaPorta next year and Jah and Campbell the year after that.

That's a lot of spinning plates on poles going on, but I guess we should just be an ostrich and yell out YOLO as we trade away future assets so we can say we went for it.

(they're already going for it and you are never one player away, but it's not worth burning 50 calories to even try to reason with the sky is falling folks.)
Bobby, I hate to break it to you, but they are not keeping all those players. Branch is all but gone. Absolutely cannot pay two safeties that kind of money.
Jamo probably gone. LaPorta may be as well.

And I disagree that you can be one player away.
Both are very good players.

If I had to choose I would take Branch over Joseph. Agree that it is tough to have 2 of the highest paid safeties in the NFL on same team.
 
  • Detroit Lions 2025 Cap Space $48.15 m
  • Detroit Lions 2026 Cap Space (-$54.4 m)

That is super misleading because it doesn't take into account how much the cap will go up and the fact Goff has a 70 million dollar cap hit that will be renegotiated and guys like Sewell and ARSB have large cap hits that could also be worked down.

Actually, the $54.4M over the cap takes into account the 2026 Cap rising to $295M. It could float slightly higher. IIRC two years ago it was $233M, this year it will likely be $277-281M.

It's true the Lions have the flexibility to do simple restructures on several of the recent large deals. That is not an accident; they do actually plan and forecast.

We also have the looming prospect of making Hutch the highest paid non-QB in the league. That is not a trivial event.

Plus Branch & LaPorta next year and Jah and Campbell the year after that.

That's a lot of spinning plates on poles going on, but I guess we should just be an ostrich and yell out YOLO as we trade away future assets so we can say we went for it.

(they're already going for it and you are never one player away, but it's not worth burning 50 calories to even try to reason with the sky is falling folks.)
Bobby, I hate to break it to you, but they are not keeping all those players. Branch is all but gone. Absolutely cannot pay two safeties that kind of money.
Jamo probably gone. LaPorta may be as well.

And I disagree that you can be one player away.
Per the point you have made all off-season, teams can find a way to make the cap work.
 
I think they will keep Branch and LaPorta for sure and don't rule out Jamo either.

If Teslaa is good, then Jamo or Laporta is as good as gone. They will either run more three wide receiver sets or Teslaa will just take Jamos spot.

That is what picks are for. To replace the high price veterans because the cap is designed so you can't keep everyone. You can only manipulate it for so long and that is why windows are so small in the NFL unless you have an all time great at QB who can cover up some deficiencies. Goff is very good, but he isn't that.
 
We have gone back and forth on Edge Rusher over the past few months. I have wanted Brad to be more aggressive in adding somebody opposite Hutch.

Are those of you who have been telling me "trust Brad" really happy with the edge situation?
It's 10 days before game 1 and no Smith. No Clowney. Just often injured Davenport.
It is certainly the weakness of this team, every team has them. Hutchinson’s health is paramount as are most teams best player on defense. How much cap space does Detroit have right now?
~$50 million or so, but they're clearly trying to save every penny that they can so they can carry it over to next year
Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.
He is more focused on long term even though it's impossible to keep the players they have. Some are going to be gone.
Jamo, LaPorta, Branch....one or two of those guys are going to be gone.
So why not make the big move and go for it all. That has been my question all off-season.

It is too late for the "Big" move now. At least until trading deadline.

The way it stands now it does not look like Z will be back. Time is running out to get some work in before the opener.
  • Detroit Lions 2025 Cap Space $48.15 m
  • Detroit Lions 2026 Cap Space (-$54.4 m)

That is super misleading because it doesn't take into account how much the cap will go up and the fact Goff has a 70 million dollar cap hit that will be renegotiated and guys like Sewell and ARSB have large cap hits that could also be worked down.

Actually, the $54.4M over the cap takes into account the 2026 Cap rising to $295M. It could float slightly higher. IIRC two years ago it was $233M, this year it will likely be $277-281M.

It's true the Lions have the flexibility to do simple restructures on several of the recent large deals. That is not an accident; they do actually plan and forecast.

We also have the looming prospect of making Hutch the highest paid non-QB in the league. That is not a trivial event.

Plus Branch & LaPorta next year and Jah and Campbell the year after that.

That's a lot of spinning plates on poles going on, but I guess we should just be an ostrich and yell out YOLO as we trade away future assets so we can say we went for it.

(they're already going for it and you are never one player away, but it's not worth burning 50 calories to even try to reason with the sky is falling folks.)
Bobby, I hate to break it to you, but they are not keeping all those players. Branch is all but gone. Absolutely cannot pay two safeties that kind of money.
Jamo probably gone. LaPorta may be as well.

And I disagree that you can be one player away.
Both are very good players.

If I had to choose I would take Branch over Joseph. Agree that it is tough to have 2 of the highest paid safeties in the NFL on same team.

I agree about Branch, but we keep hearing it was too late to make a move every time someone else makes a move.
 
I don't believe the window is small because we have a lot of core players that are in their mid 20's. Also, I know about Davenport's injury history but he is a really good football player who, if healthy, will hit double-digit sacks playing opposite Hutchinson. I also think windows are shortened more by mismanaging the cap then any other reason. In addition, the only reason I would go all-in is if I had an older team or an older QB.

This team, as constructed, is good enough to win a Super Bowl.
 

With trade for Micah Parsons, Packers simultaneously shake up NFC North and set new bar for Hutchinson extension


Allen Park — Oh, you thought maybe we could relax for a minute, enjoy the weekend before settling in for the first week of the NFL regular season.

Think again.

The Detroit Lions added an edge rusher on Thursday. Within an hour, the team’s Week 1 opponent, loathed division rival Green Bay, did the same. Those moves were not equitable.

The Lions rounded out their practice squad with former Army standout Andre Carter — a 6-foot-6, 257-pounder with some neat traits, but just a half-sack to his name in 15 appearances across the past two seasons. The Packers, meanwhile, completed a stunning blockbuster for one of the league’s premier defensive talents, two-time All-Pro Micah Parsons.

At risk of losing the division for a fourth consecutive season for the first time since 1998-2001, the Packers are swinging for the fences, reportedly shipping three-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle Kenny Clark and two first-round picks to the Cowboys in exchange for the 26-year-old Parsons.

The move sends shockwaves through the NFC North, the conference, and, frankly, the NFL. The Packers were 20-to-1 to win the Super Bowl two weeks ago. Those odds will be improving significantly, probably more in line with the Lions’ 10-to-1 figure.

As part of the deal, the Packers awarded Parsons with the record-breaking contract that the Cowboys had refused to give the star pass-rusher this offseason. The details have yet to emerge, but the initial figures are jaw-dropping. The new four-year pact is reportedly worth up to $188 million with $120 million guaranteed.

The timing of the agreement is particularly compelling for the Lions because it comes hours after general manager Brad Holmes acknowledged the team had engaged Aidan Hutchinson’s camp regarding an extension.

With top-tier edge rushers Myles Garrett, Maxx Crosby, T.J. Watt and Trey Hendrickson all scoring new deals this summer, Parsons was the last shoe to drop when assessing Hutchinson’s future market.

There was a collective gasp when Garrett reset the market at $40 million per year — then the richest deal for a non-quarterback — a few months back. If the early numbers for Parsons are accurate, the figure just jumped considerably.

Make no mistake, Garrett, Watt and Parsons have all accomplished more than Hutchinson as a professional. Considerably. However, that’s not how these things work. You pay for expected contributions in the future, and Hutchinson’s camp can argue that the Lions defender was outclassing all of those names by a significant margin when he went down with an injury last year. He didn't get to finish what he started. Regardless, no one is arguing his inclusion among the elites at his position, including Holmes.

Sure, Hutchinson is coming back from a broken leg. That's no small feat. But if you didn’t know that watching this camp, you wouldn’t have believed it. He looked like his normal, dominant self, regularly ruining practices and giving Detroit’s offensive tackles, including All-Pro Penei Sewell, fits. Hutchinson is younger than Parsons, and he’s almost certainly going to get paid like him.

The one thing the Lions still have in their favor is the fifth-year option they exercised on Hutchinson’s rookie deal for 2026. That’s a small amount of leverage, which they’ll use in the negotiations, much like they did with Sewell a year earlier. Yet you better believe the new money Hutchinson will command starting in 2027 will exceed Parsons’ average, because cap inflation will be a consideration.

When Hutchinson signs an extension — and the odds of it happening before the season just went up — it probably averages less than Parsons’, overall. However, it will be appropriately framed by the money after next season, which could very well average $50 million. Brace yourself.

The totality of Thursday's shocking trade adds to the rivalry, which was that in name only for far too long. It now figures to be one of the NFL’s best for the next several seasons.

Fortunately, we don’t have to wait long to see the next chapter. In 10 days, the Lions will arrive in Lambeau, ready to defend their crown from the divisional blue blood, led by a new warrior, looking to reclaim it.
 
I respect everyone's opinion but we will never agree on this. We have beaten this dead horse all year. In general, I have never been a fan of going all-in unless you have an older team with a short window. I do not agree with those that say the Lions have a short window. If I did my opinion might be different. We also have to account for Hutchinson getting about $45 million per year.

The Packer's pass rush definitely got better but their run defense got much worse. They don't have much talent in their interior defensive line. They need to figure out how to stop the run or they will be like the Cowboys: great pass rush, bad run defense, and soft as ****.
 
I respect everyone's opinion but we will never agree on this. We have beaten this dead horse all year. In general, I have never been a fan of going all-in unless you have an older team with a short window. I do not agree with those that say the Lions have a short window. If I did my opinion might be different. We also have to account for Hutchinson getting about $45 million per year.

The Packer's pass rush definitely got better but their run defense got much worse. They don't have much talent in their interior defensive line. They need to figure out how to stop the run or they will be like the Cowboys: great pass rush, bad run defense, and soft as ****.
We will see in 9 days. Pack is at home so they will be favored over the Lions.
 
We have gone back and forth on Edge Rusher over the past few months. I have wanted Brad to be more aggressive in adding somebody opposite Hutch.

Are those of you who have been telling me "trust Brad" really happy with the edge situation?
It's 10 days before game 1 and no Smith. No Clowney. Just often injured Davenport.
It is certainly the weakness of this team, every team has them. Hutchinson’s health is paramount as are most teams best player on defense. How much cap space does Detroit have right now?
~$50 million or so, but they're clearly trying to save every penny that they can so they can carry it over to next year
Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.
He is more focused on long term even though it's impossible to keep the players they have. Some are going to be gone.
Jamo, LaPorta, Branch....one or two of those guys are going to be gone.
So why not make the big move and go for it all. That has been my question all off-season.

It is too late for the "Big" move now. At least until trading deadline.

The way it stands now it does not look like Z will be back. Time is running out to get some work in before the opener.
  • Detroit Lions 2025 Cap Space $48.15 m
  • Detroit Lions 2026 Cap Space (-$54.4 m)

That is super misleading because it doesn't take into account how much the cap will go up and the fact Goff has a 70 million dollar cap hit that will be renegotiated and guys like Sewell and ARSB have large cap hits that could also be worked down.

Actually, the $54.4M over the cap takes into account the 2026 Cap rising to $295M. It could float slightly higher. IIRC two years ago it was $233M, this year it will likely be $277-281M.

It's true the Lions have the flexibility to do simple restructures on several of the recent large deals. That is not an accident; they do actually plan and forecast.

We also have the looming prospect of making Hutch the highest paid non-QB in the league. That is not a trivial event.

Plus Branch & LaPorta next year and Jah and Campbell the year after that.

That's a lot of spinning plates on poles going on, but I guess we should just be an ostrich and yell out YOLO as we trade away future assets so we can say we went for it.

(they're already going for it and you are never one player away, but it's not worth burning 50 calories to even try to reason with the sky is falling folks.)
Bobby, I hate to break it to you, but they are not keeping all those players. Branch is all but gone. Absolutely cannot pay two safeties that kind of money.
Jamo probably gone. LaPorta may be as well.

And I disagree that you can be one player away.
Both are very good players.

If I had to choose I would take Branch over Joseph. Agree that it is tough to have 2 of the highest paid safeties in the NFL on same team.
I would have kept Branch in a heartbeat over Joseph.
 
I think they will keep Branch and LaPorta for sure and don't rule out Jamo either.

If Teslaa is good, then Jamo or Laporta is as good as gone. They will either run more three wide receiver sets or Teslaa will just take Jamos spot.

That is what picks are for. To replace the high price veterans because the cap is designed so you can't keep everyone. You can only manipulate it for so long and that is why windows are so small in the NFL unless you have an all time great at QB who can cover up some deficiencies. Goff is very good, but he isn't that.
Exactly. I said months ago, if Brad is who we all think he is, he will draft players to replace those we can't keep.
That is why you make the big move to being a stud in opposite Hutch. But Brad wants to keep the band together.
 
I don't believe the window is small because we have a lot of core players that are in their mid 20's. Also, I know about Davenport's injury history but he is a really good football player who, if healthy, will hit double-digit sacks playing opposite Hutchinson. I also think windows are shortened more by mismanaging the cap then any other reason. In addition, the only reason I would go all-in is if I had an older team or an older QB.

This team, as constructed, is good enough to win a Super Bowl.
Green Bay is the youngest team in the NFL and they just went all in. They gave themselves two years to win a ring.

Detroit had (still has?) the ability to make a big move and chose not to. Yet in two years, this team will not be the same as it is today. It can't be.
We can't afford all the players some of you think we can. Goff will be two years older. Decker will be gone. And other things can happen.
 
I respect everyone's opinion but we will never agree on this. We have beaten this dead horse all year. In general, I have never been a fan of going all-in unless you have an older team with a short window. I do not agree with those that say the Lions have a short window. If I did my opinion might be different. We also have to account for Hutchinson getting about $45 million per year.

The Packer's pass rush definitely got better but their run defense got much worse. They don't have much talent in their interior defensive line. They need to figure out how to stop the run or they will be like the Cowboys: great pass rush, bad run defense, and soft as ****.
We will see in 9 days. Pack is at home so they will be favored over the Lions.
They are the favorite to win the division now too.
 
I respect everyone's opinion but we will never agree on this. We have beaten this dead horse all year. In general, I have never been a fan of going all-in unless you have an older team with a short window. I do not agree with those that say the Lions have a short window. If I did my opinion might be different. We also have to account for Hutchinson getting about $45 million per year.

The Packer's pass rush definitely got better but their run defense got much worse. They don't have much talent in their interior defensive line. They need to figure out how to stop the run or they will be like the Cowboys: great pass rush, bad run defense, and soft as ****.
We will see in 9 days. Pack is at home so they will be favored over the Lions.
They are the favorite to win the division now too.

According to ESPN they are tied at + 185. All sites are different though and it is close. I would say they are co favorites.
 
I respect everyone's opinion but we will never agree on this. We have beaten this dead horse all year. In general, I have never been a fan of going all-in unless you have an older team with a short window. I do not agree with those that say the Lions have a short window. If I did my opinion might be different. We also have to account for Hutchinson getting about $45 million per year.

The Packer's pass rush definitely got better but their run defense got much worse. They don't have much talent in their interior defensive line. They need to figure out how to stop the run or they will be like the Cowboys: great pass rush, bad run defense, and soft as ****.
We will see in 9 days. Pack is at home so they will be favored over the Lions.
They are the favorite to win the division now too.
Draftkings odds

GB +165
DET +190
MIN +350
CHI +600

Favorites, but the least heavy favorite of the 8 divisions. The other 7 favorites are from +155 to -330.
 
Never thought Cowboys would trade Parsons. Thought it was just posturing and then get a deal done. Worse yet, they trade him to Lions division.
 
Never thought Cowboys would trade Parsons. Thought it was just posturing and then get a deal done. Worse yet, they trade him to Lions division.
Jerry being Jerry.

And for him to say yesterday that not only does it make the Cowboys better in the future, but it makes them better today. No it doesn't.
 
Never thought Cowboys would trade Parsons. Thought it was just posturing and then get a deal done. Worse yet, they trade him to Lions division.
Jerry being Jerry.

And for him to say yesterday that not only does it make the Cowboys better in the future, but it makes them better today. No it doesn't.

Did you guys see the Jerry Jones press conference? He said all the things you are supposed to say, but the look on his face said I hate Micah Parsons and I hate everyone here right now.
 
Never thought Cowboys would trade Parsons. Thought it was just posturing and then get a deal done. Worse yet, they trade him to Lions division.
Jerry being Jerry.

And for him to say yesterday that not only does it make the Cowboys better in the future, but it makes them better today. No it doesn't.

Did you guys see the Jerry Jones press conference? He said all the things you are supposed to say, but the look on his face said I hate Micah Parsons and I hate everyone here right now.

Jerry is still bitter about the return on Prescott's contract. JJ never wanted to pay Dak, but got played like a fiddle.

Jones will view this as a win either way since he did not cave to Parsons demand.
 
Never thought Cowboys would trade Parsons. Thought it was just posturing and then get a deal done. Worse yet, they trade him to Lions division.
Jerry being Jerry.

And for him to say yesterday that not only does it make the Cowboys better in the future, but it makes them better today. No it doesn't.

Did you guys see the Jerry Jones press conference? He said all the things you are supposed to say, but the look on his face said I hate Micah Parsons and I hate everyone here right now.
I hope Jerry lives to be 150 years old, it will be fun watching him continue his ways well into his 100s.
 
Mailbag, Part I: Talking Detroit Lions' WR3, o-line depth, Za'Darius Smith and more

Allen Park — Welcome to the first mailbag of the 2025 season. The mailbox was stuffed, so I’ll be back with a second batch of questions later today.

Question: If the Lions were to line up in trips on first-and-10 to start the season, who is the No. 3 receiver on the field? — Kirk Tousaw

Justin: It’s a reasonable question. For weeks, all signs have pointed to this being Kalif Raymond’s function in the offense. I imagine we’ll end up seeing him and Issac TeSlaa in a timeshare, with Raymond taking the larger chunk of the pie to begin the year, and TeSlaa slowly eating into it as he proves his abilities against a higher level of competition than he regularly faced during camp practices or the preseason.

That said, it wouldn’t be surprising to see TeSlaa get the "start" in this hypothetical scenario. If it’s a perimeter run or a receiver screen to Jameson Williams, TeSlaa could offer more as a blocker to complement the play call.

Question: Who will be the gunners on punt coverage? — Jordan Dev

Justin: Assuming the team feels like Khalil Dorsey is in football shape after recently returning from his lengthy injury layoff, he’s the easy answer on one side.

Opposite him, there are three contenders: Rock Ya-Sin, Isaac TeSlaa and Dominic Lovett. They each offer a little something different, and their participation could hinge on their offensive/defensive role in that week’s game plan.

Question: Do you think the NFL is going to be upset about the Hassanein move? It seems like Holmes may be stretching the rules beyond their intended purpose? — Matt Hunter

Justin: No. This is the intended purpose of injury settlements. They paid Ahmed Hassanein for the negotiated length of his recovery. Now, he’s free to sign anywhere he wants.

If he chooses to be loyal to the Lions, which will require him to wait three extra weeks beyond his injury settlement length, that’s a personal decision.

Question: Which away venue this year are you most looking forward to visiting? Being independent, what do you need to factor into your budgeting for away games? — Joel L

Justin: It’s more about the city than the venue. On this year’s slate, I really enjoy walking around both Baltimore and D.C. That said, I’ve been workshopping a plan with colleagues to sample some of the best cheesesteaks in Philadelphia, so that probably tops the 2025 list. My healthy lifestyle decisions that have allowed me to drop 40 or so pounds since May are going to be put on hold for that epic cheat day.

In terms of budget decisions, it’s not that much different than when I was at the Detroit News. I was always cognizant of spending. If anything, I’m less loyal to a singular airline or hotel chain on my own. In fact, I’ve gone the Airbnb route on a few trips, just because it was a far better value.

Question: Can you describe the difference between John Morton’s coaching style/demeanor and Ben Johnson’s? Everything I ever read made it sound like Ben Johnson was extremely fiery and intense. Is Morton similar or more laidback? — Trevor Wood

Justin: Frankly, both are pretty intense. Neither coach does a good job of hiding their displeasure when players don’t execute to expectation. Morton is often one of the loudest voices during practice, barking at a player after a miscue.

The biggest difference is their polish. Maybe it isn’t the perfect word, but Morton comes across as more gruff. He gives off the vibe of an old-school coach.

Question: Assuming injuries are not a factor. Who is a player on the practice squad who might have a role in Week 1 or at least early season? — Weeds

Justin: Taking injury off the table, likely none. If the team had a Week 1 vision for any of those players, they’d have made the roster.

Maybe running back Jacob Saylors gets the temporary elevation if Vaki has to miss a week, or edge defender Isaac Ukwu, while waiver claim Tyrus Wheat gets acclimated.

Question: If aliens abducted Graham Glasgow tomorrow, what’s the plan for the season? — David Montgomery’s Carrot

Justin: If you’ve met Glasgow, you’d more likely assume he’s the alien and he’s just heading home to see his family.

But I appreciate you presenting a hypothetical without making it about an injury. Without Glasgow, things definitely get dicey in a hurry for Detroit's offensive line. Presently, the plan would see Kingsley Eguakun stepping in at center.

Eguakun is smart and athletic, two important traits to succeed at center. Where he lags behind is his play strength. In one-on-one situations against bigger defensive tackles, he regularly struggles to anchor and preserve the pocket.

Now, there are some ways to cover that up, and Eguakun works really well with and off of tandem blocks. But there’s a reason Trystan Colon remains in the fold on the practice squad. If Glasgow were out for a long stretch, Colon would get a quick bump to the main roster and would be the choice if the team felt compelled to pivot from Eguakun.

The long shot is Tate Ratledge. I don’t see the Lions messing with that in 2025, but who knows? It’s always going to be about getting your best five on the field, as a combination.

Question: Last year, it felt like Hutchinson was held on almost every play, but almost never drew the call. What’s it gonna take for refs to stop penalizing Hutchinson for being too good? — Aaron Talley

Justin: You know those inflatable tube men in front of car dealerships? That’s what Hutchinson often looks like when he’s rushing, wildly flailing his arms when engaged by a blocker. It creates this artificial perception he’s being held, but that’s rarely the case. I think many fans and media members don’t really understand what is and isn’t a hold.

The key is the feet. If an offensive lineman stays in front of the man they're blocking, officials aren’t going to throw a flag. It’s not illegal to grab a defender; it’s illegal to restrict them by altering their angle of pursuit. That’s why a QB rolling from the pocket or a running back bouncing a carry outside is so dangerous, because that legal latch a lineman has inside a breast plate suddenly becomes illegal when the defender tries to pull away.

I don’t want to imply officials never miss a holding call on Hutchinson, but it happens far less than you might think. My advice: Focus more on the feet than the hands when you think there’s a hold.

Question: Based on what you've observed in training camp thus far, how much do you think John Morton's plan to incorporate more vertical plays in the offense played a role in the decision to trade Tim Patrick? — Mattius

Justin: I think every offensive coordinator would like a vertical element, and Morton saying that doesn’t necessarily mean it will come to fruition.

I don’t believe Patrick's lack of being a vertical threat is what specifically played into the team moving on. It was the overall body of work, contrasted against the other receivers in the room. Raymond and TeSlaa offered more consistency, and with TeSlaa showing promise as a blocker, there wasn’t a trait Patrick brought to the table that the Lions felt they couldn’t replace.

TeSlaa's ability to stretch the field has the potential to be a nice bonus, though.

Question: My hot take is Frank Ragnow's retirement is going to have a larger impact on the Lions’ offense than the new O.C. Do you agree with this? — Jamelle Cooper

Justin: Yes, and I’m fairly certain I’ve said as much elsewhere, potentially another mailbag, maybe the podcast, or simply in the site’s chat.

Ragnow’s departure is a bigger blow than Ben Johnson’s. It just is. Morton brings a level of continuity, schematically, and benefits from a loaded arsenal effectively intact from a year ago, with a potential upgrade from Patrick to TeSlaa. It’s just going to be difficult to screw that up.

The biggest concern is the offensive line. Johnson always called it the engine of the offense. Well, if the engine isn’t right, things won’t run as smoothly. Ragnow was elite at what he did, and I reserve the term elite for the top 10% at a player’s position. Glasgow isn’t. He’s better than serviceable, but unlikely to perform at a Pro Bowl level in 2025.

On top of that, there’s inexperience on both his shoulders. I think it’s reasonable to have high hopes for both Christian Mahogany and Ratledge, but growing pains would be normal. Ragnow went through them as a rookie, Sewell went through them, to a degree, as well. Those young guys will, too.
 

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