2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 X-Season in the books. Time for final cuts. (40 Viewers)

[Payne]

The most recent "rumor" swirling is Harold Landry who I believe has a history with Campbell and the D Line coach.

 

[BobbyLayne]

“Let’s hear from everybody!”

- Lions PR Team after Week 7, probably

0:00-3:08 - Brian Branch
3:09-5:26 - Taylor Decker
5:27-9:09 - Amon-Ra St. Brown
9:10-10:43 - Josh Paschal
10:44-12:18 - Jahmyr Gibbs
12:19-17:18 - Jake Bates

 

[BobbyLayne]

DET - Offense Grades​

90.1 1. Frank Ragnow
88.9 2. Amon-Ra St. Brown
84.8 3. Kalif Raymond
77.5 4. Jahmyr Gibbs
76.9 5. Jared Goff
67.6 6. Penei Sewell
64.8 7. Tim Patrick
60.0 8. Trevor Nowaske
60.0 8. Sione Vaki
60.0 8. Hogan Hatten
60.0 8. Jack Campbell
60.0 8. Craig Reynolds
60.0 8. Malcolm Rodriguez
60.0 8. Ben Niemann
60.0 8. Kindle Vildor
60.0 8. Jack Fox
60.0 8. Khalil Dorsey
59.6 18. Shane Zylstra
55.7 19. Jameson Williams
55.1 20. Sam LaPorta
54.8 21. Brock Wright
53.8 22. Jalen Reeves-Maybin
45.9 23. David Montgomery
45.6 24. Kayode Awosika
44.6 25. Taylor Decker
43.9 26. Graham Glasgow

 

[BobbyLayne]

DET - Defense​

92.7 1. Brian Branch
97.1 2. Trevor Nowaske #GVSU
78.2 3. Alex Anzalone
75.5 4. Malcolm Rodriguez
73.9 5. Jack Campbell
70.6 6. Jalen Reeves-Maybin
65.7 7. Terrion Arnold
62.6 8. Mekhi Wingo
60.5 9. Alim McNeill
59.6 10. Kerby Joseph
58.5 11. Patrick O’Connor
56.6 12. Levi Onwuzurike
55.7 13. Issac Ukwu
55.2 14. Josh Paschal
46.7 15. James Houston IV
46.7 16. Carlton Davis III
42.3 17. Amik Robertson
36.9 18. DK Reader @Da Guru

 

[BobbyLayne]

the most important play of Week 7

Spoiler

Brian Branch with the GL PBU on the Vikings 2 pt att

 

[Da Guru]

The Detroit Lions will have to take the field each of the next two weeks without wide receiver Jameson Williams.

News surfaced Monday that Williams was facing a two-game suspension for violating the league's performing-enhancing substance policy, meaning he will miss this week's game against Tennessee and next week's divisional showdown at Lambeau Field against Green Bay.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Not a guy I have any interest in resigning once his contract is up. Get your crap together Jamo!

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

The Detroit Lions will have to take the field each of the next two weeks without wide receiver Jameson Williams.

News surfaced Monday that Williams was facing a two-game suspension for violating the league's performing-enhancing substance policy, meaning he will miss this week's game against Tennessee and next week's divisional showdown at Lambeau Field against Green Bay.

So frustrating. Is the timing definite? I was looking at their upcoming schedule and hoping he could string out the appeals until the two-week stretch where they play Jax-Indy. Will suck not to have him for the game at Lambeau

 

[BobbyLayne]

Whatever

More snaps for Patrick & Raymond

Isaiah Williams might even see a target

Tom Kennedy & Allen Robinson II still in the building

come on let’s go, ain’t no time mope, got things to do & places to see

like NOLA in February

 

[Da Guru]

The Detroit Lions will have to take the field each of the next two weeks without wide receiver Jameson Williams.

News surfaced Monday that Williams was facing a two-game suspension for violating the league's performing-enhancing substance policy, meaning he will miss this week's game against Tennessee and next week's divisional showdown at Lambeau Field against Green Bay.

So frustrating. Is the timing definite? I was looking at their upcoming schedule and hoping he could string out the appeals until the two-week stretch where they play Jax-Indy. Will suck not to have him for the game at Lambeau

Goff said players get hurt every week. Just treat this like a 2 week injury absence.

The frustrating thing is players are educated on this, and given full lists of what is and what is not permitted.

Not sure what is was but rumor is was a banned energy substance. If it were PEDs it would be 5-6 games.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

The Detroit Lions will have to take the field each of the next two weeks without wide receiver Jameson Williams.

News surfaced Monday that Williams was facing a two-game suspension for violating the league's performing-enhancing substance policy, meaning he will miss this week's game against Tennessee and next week's divisional showdown at Lambeau Field against Green Bay.

So frustrating. Is the timing definite? I was looking at their upcoming schedule and hoping he could string out the appeals until the two-week stretch where they play Jax-Indy. Will suck not to have him for the game at Lambeau

Goff said players get hurt every week. Just treat this like a 2 week injury absence.

The frustrating thing is players are educated on this, and given full lists of what is and what is not permitted.

Not sure what is was but rumor is was a banned energy substance. If it were PEDs it would be 5-6 games.

This is total hearsay, but my cousin said his trainer at the gym was in Lions camp this year, and his guess was exactly that: a supplement that contained a banned substance. Makes me feel a little better about Jamo not being a cheater, but still, as an NFL player you need to know exactly what you're putting in your body

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Whatever

More snaps for Patrick & Raymond

Isaiah Williams might even see a target

Tom Kennedy & Allen Robinson II still in the building

come on let’s go, ain’t no time mope, got things to do & places to see

like NOLA in February

I would assume they'll start using LaPorta more, unless he's really hobbled

 

[Moonlight]

Dan Campbell does not need to be doing fake punts from his 34 yard line This team can win without high risk low reward gambles.

When playoff time comes and when the Lions play the best teams taking high risk gambles will cost them a game at some point.

 

[kutta]

Dan Campbell does not need to be doing fake punts from his 34 yard line This team can win without high risk low reward gambles.

When playoff time comes and when the Lions play the best teams taking high risk gambles will cost them a game at some point.

I agree the fake punt was a bit iffy.

But I can live with it. I love the way this team plays. I don’t want them changing.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

As far as the Jamo thing goes, is there a 3 strike policy in the NFL? Because this is his 2nd suspension and I'm pretty sure nobody else on the 53 man roster even has one.

 

[jon_mx]

As far as the Jamo thing goes, is there a 3 strike policy in the NFL? Because this is his 2nd suspension and I'm pretty sure nobody else on the 53 man roster even has one.

Gambling and drugs suspensions do not stack on top of each other. Completely separate and independant.

 

[jon_mx]

Dan Campbell does not need to be doing fake punts from his 34 yard line This team can win without high risk low reward gambles.

When playoff time comes and when the Lions play the best teams taking high risk gambles will cost them a game at some point.

I agree the fake punt was a bit iffy.

But I can live with it. I love the way this team plays. I don’t want them changing.

You know how hard it is on defenses to get one of the few stops of the game only to have them convert a 4th down play? Campbell wants to demoralize these teams. He is creating this impression that it is impossible to stop this offense. Campbell is building a team which is not going to lose by playing it safe. He wants to put the boot on the opponents neck and keep it there.

In what universe has the top players in the league wanted to get traded to Detroit. Somehow that is this universe now.

 

[jon_mx]

Cleveland will trade Smith and Garrett for 1st, two 2nd, a 5th and a Hooker.

Does Brad pull the trigger?

Crosby is still being pursued, but is not seen as a perfect fit due to his size.

 

[Da Guru]

Dan Campbell does not need to be doing fake punts from his 34 yard line This team can win without high risk low reward gambles.

When playoff time comes and when the Lions play the best teams taking high risk gambles will cost them a game at some point.

Going forward it will be tough for the fake punts to work. Every special teams coach has to prepare for this against the Lions now.

 

[Da Guru]

Cleveland will trade Smith and Garrett for 1st, two 2nd, a 5th and a Hooker.

Does Brad pull the trigger?

Crosby is still being pursued, but is not seen as a perfect fit due to his size.

Look at the trades as of late. Only trades that are getting a high return is to trade up for a "franchise" QB type.

Do a #1 and Hooker for Garrett. Garrett will take the place of the 1 and with Goff locked up there is no need for Hooker. Only issue is now Detroit's 1 will not be in the top 25.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Why do all these fictional trades include a backup QB with almost zero NFL experience? Is there some link to teams actually showing interest in HH?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Every special teams coach has to prepare for this against the Lions now

Exactly. Which means the other team being less set up for a big return.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Whatever

More snaps for
Patrick
&
Raymond



Isaiah Williams
might even see a target



Tom Kennedy
&
Allen Robinson
II still in the building


come on let’s go, ain’t no time mope, got things to do & places to see

like NOLA in February

I would assume they'll start using
LaPorta
more, unless he's really hobbled

Think he’s 100%, or at a minimum the healthiest he has been this year.

Would be great if his route partition utilization spiked up. They’ve been throwing fewer passes this year and he is running about 5 less routes per game.

His targets have nose dived.

Over 20 games last year, Goff dropped back 761 times and had 716 PA. That works out to 38.1 and 35.8.

Through 6 games, those numbers are 32.5 and 29.0

(quick sidebar: 2.17 sacks v 1.85 last year, 1.25 scrambles v 0.40 2023 - OL has been mediocre in pass pro. Still best in class at run blocking.)

plays run per game: 69.1 | 65.5

LaPorta per game: 2023 20g | 2024 6g

• snaps: 83.4 | 78.4%
• passing snaps: 90.5% | 88.7%
• routes run: 30.1 | 25.2
• route participation: 87.2% | 87.3%
• targets: 7.2 | 2.5
• ADoT: 7.2 | 7.1
• receptions: 5.4 | 2.3
• yards: 53.3 | 37.3
• YPR: 9.95 | 16.0
• YPRR: 1.77 | 1.48
• YAC: 22.5 | 22.2
• YAC/REC: 4.2 | 9.5
• TD: 0.55 | 0.17

Every special teams coach has to prepare for this against the Lions now

Exactly. Which means the other team being less set up for a big return.

Dan said on the ticket this morning they had the look they needed. Sometimes it will be on and if they don't have the look and kill it. Said the fact someone finally stopped one wouldn't preclude them from doing it going forward.

I believe when we pass on fake punts Jack Fox is 4/5 with 4 first downs (& the one that failed he hit CJ Moore right in the numbers but it was dropped. Rushing fakes are something 6 out 8 or 7 out of 9.

I need to go through the game logs sometime and see how often we have pulled off the landing zone touchback (lands in front of the GL and skips through or the KR doesn't return it. That one gets placed on the 20 and seems like we're good for one a game. They seem to mix it up otherwise, prefer to kick it deep in 4 minute situations but try to hit it high and come down inside the 5 if they want the KR to have to make a decision to return it or FC it.

Fipp is the best Special Team Coordinator in the league IMO. Never miss his Thursday presser, he often has a good story to tell.

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Frank Ragnow among centers in Week 7:

• 90.1 PFF grade (1st)
• 88.1 run-blocking grade (1st)
• 85.1 pass-blocking grade (1st)
• 29 pass-blocking snaps
• 0 pressures allowed

 

[jon_mx]

Why do all these fictional trades include a backup QB with almost zero NFL experience? Is there some link to teams actually showing interest in HH?

I don't play the fictional games.. That is supposedly on the table.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Why do all these fictional trades include a backup QB with almost zero NFL experience? Is there some link to teams actually showing interest in HH?

I don't play the fictional games.. That is supposedly on the table.

"Supposedly" = fictional until proven otherwise. Think of all the stuff floated out there every year and how few of those ever actually happen.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Za’Darius Smith is a guy that might be the best fit and probably wouldn't cost that much in draft picks. Cleveland is a dumpster fire.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Detroit Lions PFF Team Grades Through Week 7 (5-1, 182 PF - 120 PA)

Overall​

Offense

Passing

Pass Blocking

Receiving

Rushing

Run Blocking

Defense

Run Defense

Tackling

Pass Rush

Coverage

Special Teams

Grade

91.6

80.6

64.9

88.9

81.0

88.9

71.3

84.3

69.5

64.6

83.8

83.9

77.5

Rank

1st

3rd

19th

14h

2nd

5th

6th

1st

9th

4th

2nd

3rd

17th

 

[jon_mx]

Why do all these fictional trades include a backup QB with almost zero NFL experience? Is there some link to teams actually showing interest in HH?

I don't play the fictional games.. That is supposedly on the table.

"Supposedly" = fictional until proven otherwise. Think of all the stuff floated out there every year and how few of those ever actually happen.

There are tons of hypothetical crap that some writer in New York think is a good idea which is worthless. Then there are people inside the organizations which are actual negotiations and are being considered. Much different.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I just don't think trading Hooker mid season makes much sense for either side, that's why I questioned that part in particular.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I’ll try to post all the individual grades but a few that stick out:

• Hutch, still leading the league in pressures and sacks despite playing 2 less games, is the highest graded player in the NFL
• BB - #1 S, highest graded DB (any position), #1 coverage grade in the NFL - starting to see some talk about DPotY. His production has been Ed
  Reed
  -esque.
• Kerby - 6th amongst S; we have probably the best tandem in the league
• Jack
  Campbell
  LB 10
• Alex Anzalone LB 14
• Alim McNeill DI 6 (Reader is DI 30 after a bad game in MIN)
• Out of 150 Linebackers with no minimum qualifying snaps, Nowaske is 13th out of 150 - he's been great in limited duty since Barnes went down.

Have not looked at offensive players yet but did glance at Goff, he’s QB19. Once again he has a poor ratio in PFF’s subjective BTT (big time throws) : TWP (turnover worthy and lay.) Last game Goff had 1 BTT. Really?

Because without re-watching I can think of 3:

• the long TD to ARSB was a fire
• the deep crosser to Patrick
• medium crosser to St Brown to setup the game winning FG

They gave him 2 TWP - none of his passes, but he did fumble twice, both recovered.

at ARI BTT-0 TWP-1
SEA BTT- 2 TWP-0
at DAL BTT-1 TWP-0
at MIN BTT-1 TWP-2

Just thought of a 4th BTT…Sam Monson breaks it down.

Goff is averaging 11.6 YPA this season when pressured. Not when blitzed, he's always had that club in his bag, but pressure (whether the other team called a blitz or not, they got home.) The next highest QB is at 9.0. Versus MIN Goff was 11/13 156 1TD 0 INT 12.0 YPA 143.2 passer rating. Passer rating generally drops by 30 to 35 points when QB is pressured. That is a freaking cheat code because when he can do that, the defense has no answers.

Separation / Lockdown Reports - new features on PFF this fall.

LaPorta is near the bottom in separation grade. ARSB & Jamo are not as high as I thought they might be.

Arnold hasn’t been that sticky (on the Lockdown Report he's in phase 41.2% of the time) but as a physical press corner, mirroring will never be his strength.

Thought Arnold held his own v JJ; two of his best coverages were wiped out by penalty. Had a coverage grade over 70 for the first time this year v the best WR in the game. Kid is legit.

OTOH, that A Jones TD was 100% on Terrion. My brother, you cannot let motion take you inside when you have outside contain. But he’s growing each week, he won’t make that mistake again.

On the season long Lockdown Report (simple % of time allowing receivers to come open), all positions, BB is 9th, CDIII is 12th, Anzalone is 15th best.

Best Lions defense of my lifetime. Admittedly, not a lot of competition....1970 for sure, 2014, maybe one of Fontes 8 seasons. I love how aggressive they are, all the time. It's like they're not saying to the other team "Let's get this over quick. You don't have to put together 12, 14 play dink n dunks....our guys are out here playing press man, we think our DL can win their one-on-ones with your OL, you better hope you accounted for BB or Kerby because they'll pick it off if you don't. There's a chance you might go 70 in 5 plays. We don't really care because we''re gonna play aggressive on offense and hit you with explosives and trick plays, though probably not until after our guys maul your guys run after run after run. Good luck with all that. P.S. We're gonna be aggressive on ST, too."

Pretty sure Holmes will be picking up two 3rd round compensatory picks next year after AG gets his own gig.

 

[BobbyLayne]

check the report...

Spoiler: Week 7 & Season Separation Report

Week 7 Separation Report (min. 7 opportunities)

Player Team Opportunities Snaps with separation Separation %

Dontayvion Wicks GB 8 8 100.00%
Troy Franklin DEN 7 7 100.00%
Zach Ertz WAS 8 7 87.50%
Jaxon Smith-Njigba SEA 8 7 87.50%
Travis Kelce KC 7 6 85.71%
Tyler Lockett SEA 7 6 85.71%
Evan Engram JAX 7 6 85.71%
Cedrick Wilson Jr. NO 10 8 80.00%
Alec Pierce IND 10 8 80.00%
Devaughn Vele DEN 10 8 80.00%
Calvin Ridley TEN 9 7 77.78%
Elijah Moore CLV 9 7 77.78%
Romeo Doubs GB 12 9 75.00%
Amon-Ra St. Brown DET 8 6 75.00%
Jalen McMillan TB 8 6 75.00%
Brian Thomas Jr. JAX 8 6 75.00%
Malik Nabers NYG 18 13 72.22%
Olamide Zaccheaus WAS 7 5 71.43%
DJ Turner LV 14 10 71.43%
Tee Higgins CIN 14 10 71.43%
Christian Watson GB 7 5 71.43%
Calvin Austin III PIT 10 7 70.00%
Ja'Marr Chase CIN 10 7 70.00%
Jerry Jeudy CLV 13 9 69.23%
Davante Adams LV 12 8 66.67%
Hunter Henry NE 15 10 66.67%
Chris Godwin TB 9 6 66.67%
Van Jefferson PIT 9 6 66.67%
Tyler Boyd TEN 11 7 63.64%
Tyler Johnson LA 8 5 62.50%
Terry McLaurin WAS 8 5 62.50%
Trey McBride ARZ 8 5 62.50%
Brandon Aiyuk SF 8 5 62.50%
Jordan Addison MIN 13 8 61.54%
D.K. Metcalf SEA 10 6 60.00%
Tank Dell HST 10 6 60.00%
Lucas Krull DEN 10 6 60.00%
Christian Kirk JAX 7 4 57.14%
Jahan Dotson PHI 7 4 57.14%
Diontae Johnson CAR 9 5 55.56%
Mason Tipton NO 9 5 55.56%
Xavier Worthy KC 9 5 55.56%
Ladd McConkey LAC 20 11 55.00%
Ray-Ray McCloud III ATL 11 6 54.55%
Garrett Wilson NYJ 15 8 53.33%
George Pickens PIT 15 8 53.33%
Tre Tucker LV 19 10 52.63%
George Kittle SF 12 6 50.00%
Will Dissly LAC 10 5 50.00%
A.J. Brown PHI 14 7 50.00%
Noah Gray KC 8 4 50.00%
Grant Calcaterra PHI 8 4 50.00%
Joshua Palmer LAC 10 5 50.00%
Jayden Reed GB 8 4 50.00%
Pat Freiermuth PIT 10 5 50.00%
Jalen Nailor MIN 10 5 50.00%
Michael Wilson ARZ 8 4 50.00%
Kayshon Boutte NE 18 9 50.00%
Brock Bowers LV 14 7 50.00%
Cedric Tillman CLV 17 8 47.06%
Bub Means NO 17 8 47.06%
Darnell Mooney ATL 13 6 46.15%
Trey Palmer TB 13 6 46.15%
Michael Pittman Jr. IND 11 5 45.45%
Jaylen Waddle MIA 9 4 44.44%
Drake London ATL 16 7 43.75%
Stefon Diggs HST 7 3 42.86%
Alex Bachman LV 12 5 41.67%
Marvin Harrison Jr. ARZ 12 5 41.67%
Darius Slayton NYG 10 4 40.00%
Courtland Sutton DEN 15 6 40.00%
DeVonta Smith PHI 8 3 37.50%
Juwan Johnson NO 11 4 36.36%
Chris Conley SF 15 5 33.33%
David Njoku CLV 15 5 33.33%
Justin Jefferson MIN 12 4 33.33%
Kyle Pitts ATL 9 3 33.33%
Ricky Pearsall SF 16 5 31.25%
Keon Coleman BUF 13 4 30.77%
Simi Fehoko LAC 18 5 27.78%
Ja'Lynn Polk NE 11 3 27.27%
Tyreek Hill MIA 8 2 25.00%
Adam Trautman DEN 8 2 25.00%
Cade Otton TB 9 2 22.22%
Nick Westbrook-Ikhine TEN 7 1 14.29%
Gabe Davis JAX 7 1 14.29%

2024 Season Data (min. 40 opportunities)

Player Team Opportunities Snaps with separation Separation %

Dontayvion Wicks GB 45 35 77.78%
Rashod Bateman BLT 77 59 76.62%
Chris Olave NO 59 44 74.58%
Luke McCaffrey WAS 47 35 74.47%
Mike Evans TB 71 52 73.24%
Demario Douglas NE 72 52 72.22%
Noah Brown WAS 41 29 70.73%
Garrett Wilson NYJ 118 82 69.49%
Malik Nabers NYG 78 54 69.23%
Tyler Conklin NYJ 55 38 69.09%
Travis Kelce KC 55 37 67.27%
Calvin Ridley TEN 70 47 67.14%
Chris Godwin TB 73 49 67.12%
Zay Flowers BLT 76 51 67.11%
Demarcus Robinson LA 82 55 67.07%
Justin Watson KC 54 36 66.67%
Zach Ertz WAS 75 50 66.67%
Mark Andrews BLT 47 31 65.96%
Brandon Aiyuk SF 104 68 65.38%
Jakobi Meyers LV 75 49 65.33%
Diontae Johnson CAR 98 64 65.31%
Adonai Mitchell IND 40 26 65.00%
Christian Watson GB 40 26 65.00%
Jaxon Smith-Njigba SEA 91 59 64.84%
Darius Slayton NYG 98 63 64.29%
Christian Kirk JAX 72 46 63.89%
Jordan Addison MIN 47 30 63.83%
Amari Cooper CLV 88 56 63.64%
Rome Odunze CHI 62 39 62.90%
Michael Wilson ARZ 70 44 62.86%
Tre Tucker LV 61 38 62.30%
Courtland Sutton DEN 91 56 61.54%
Wan'Dale Robinson NYG 70 43 61.43%
Stefon Diggs HST 74 45 60.81%
Jauan Jennings SF 71 43 60.56%
Amon-Ra St. Brown DET 68 41 60.29%
Tyler Lockett SEA 88 53 60.23%
Elijah Moore CLV 60 36 60.00%
Jerry Jeudy CLV 95 57 60.00%
Trey McBride ARZ 67 40 59.70%
Keenan Allen CHI 47 28 59.57%
Rashid Shaheed NO 59 35 59.32%
Terry McLaurin WAS 86 51 59.30%
Brock Bowers LV 61 36 59.02%
Davante Adams LV 51 30 58.82%
Jameson Williams DET 53 31 58.49%
Jayden Reed GB 53 31 58.49%
Xavier Worthy KC 43 25 58.14%
Tutu Atwell LA 52 30 57.69%
Nico Collins HST 59 34 57.63%
George Pickens PIT 87 50 57.47%
Romeo Doubs GB 63 36 57.14%
D.K. Metcalf SEA 93 53 56.99%
Tee Higgins CIN 72 41 56.94%
Ladd McConkey LAC 67 38 56.72%
Cade Otton TB 60 34 56.67%
Brian Thomas Jr. JAX 69 39 56.52%
Hunter Henry NE 73 41 56.16%
Jaylen Waddle MIA 66 37 56.06%
DeVonta Smith PHI 59 33 55.93%
Allen Lazard NYJ 68 38 55.88%
Darnell Mooney ATL 81 45 55.56%
D.J. Moore CHI 76 42 55.26%
Drake London ATL 105 58 55.24%
Mack Hollins BUF 58 32 55.17%
Jalen McMillan TB 49 27 55.10%
Jahan Dotson PHI 40 22 55.00%
Joshua Palmer LAC 42 23 54.76%
Tyler Boyd TEN 52 28 53.85%
Brandin Cooks DAL 56 30 53.57%
DeAndre Hopkins TEN 49 26 53.06%
Dalton Kincaid BUF 53 28 52.83%
Ray-Ray McCloud III ATL 74 39 52.70%
Cole Kmet CHI 42 22 52.38%
Jalen Brooks DAL 42 22 52.38%
Mike Gesicki CIN 46 24 52.17%
Kyle Pitts ATL 54 28 51.85%
Xavier Legette CAR 54 28 51.85%
Andrei Iosivas CIN 85 44 51.76%
Ja'Marr Chase CIN 85 43 50.59%
CeeDee Lamb DAL 95 48 50.53%
Calvin Austin III PIT 50 25 50.00%
Dallas Goedert PHI 44 22 50.00%
Austin Hooper NE 44 22 50.00%
K.J. Osborn NE 42 21 50.00%
Michael Pittman Jr. IND 61 30 49.18%
Colby Parkinson LA 53 26 49.06%
Marvin Harrison Jr. ARZ 86 42 48.84%
George Kittle SF 74 36 48.65%
Alec Pierce IND 68 33 48.53%
Tank Dell HST 58 28 48.28%
Jake Ferguson DAL 52 25 48.08%
Noah Fant SEA 57 27 47.37%
Tyreek Hill MIA 57 27 47.37%
Theo Johnson NYG 53 25 47.17%
Pat Freiermuth PIT 70 33 47.14%
Kayshon Boutte NE 47 22 46.81%
Gabe Davis JAX 76 35 46.05%
Deebo Samuel SF 57 26 45.61%
Justin Jefferson MIN 73 33 45.21%
Tyler Johnson LA 47 21 44.68%
Jalen Nailor MIN 62 27 43.55%
Sam LaPorta DET 42 18 42.86%
Ja'Lynn Polk NE 91 36 39.56%
Jalen Tolbert DAL 87 34 39.08%
Van Jefferson PIT 62 24 38.71%
Mike Williams NYJ 42 16 38.10%
Jonathan Mingo CAR 58 22 37.93%
Ja'Tavion Sanders CAR 43 15 34.88%
Keon Coleman BUF 71 24 33.80%

 

[jon_mx]

I just don't think trading Hooker mid season makes much sense for either side, that's why I questioned that part in particular.

This is part of the reasons the Lions are hedging, they are not ready to give up Hooker. But it sounds like Brad is making serious inquiries and is planning on making some move for a starting Edge who can provide real pressures.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I just don't think trading Hooker mid season makes much sense for either side, that's why I questioned that part in particular.

This is part of the reasons the Lions are hedging, they are not ready to give up Hooker. But it sounds like Brad is making serious inquiries and is planning on making some move for a starting Edge who can provide real pressures.

When you have a SB contender with a Hutch-shaped hole on the roster, you have to be willing to go all-in. If Hooker is what it takes to get a deal done, Lions should absolutely pull the trigger

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I never said not to trade him, I just don't know what is the grand appeal of a 26 year old who has never started a game and has a total of 19 career yards.

 

[Da Guru]

I never said not to trade him, I just don't know what is the grand appeal of a 26 year old who has never started a game and had a total of 19 career yards.

Well I kept reading when Lions drafted Hooker that he was going to be a first rd pick before his knee injury. Might have value to a QB starved team.

But he is older than Herbert, Stroud, and other starters and unproven. At this point he will be stuck behind Goff for at least a few years. Love sat for 3 years but he was only 21 when drafted.

 

[King of the Jungle]

With the Lion’s on a legitimate SB run it would make sense to keep a capable backup. Hooker has not shown enough to warrant much capital in return even from a QB starved squad.

 

[jon_mx]

According to the chatter, it sounds like Jamo was taking Adderal for a mental health issue prescribed by a doctor. But this creates a quagmire for the NFL as they have been promoting protecting players health and mental health, but yet this is on the list of banned substances. The NFL is upset because a leak of a possible suspension came out before they actually ruled there would be one. As of now the NFL has not announced anything and it seems there are discussions between the players association and the NFL on this subject.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lions are currently the favorite to win the NFC at +350. I don't recall them ever being the favorite before.

 

[TartanLion]

For what it’s worth, Lombardi on the GM Shuffle podcast said that the Lions are the best team in the entire NFL in his opinion. Mainly cited ability to run on anyone and the togetherness and mental toughness of the whole squad.

Has also kept mentioning a NE DE that he thinks would be a good Hutch fill in and not cost a lot. Can’t be bothered googling his name it’s Ochi or something along those lines.

 

[BobbyLayne]

According to the chatter, it sounds like Jamo was taking Adderal for a mental health issue prescribed by a doctor. But this creates a quagmire for the NFL as they have been promoting protecting players health and mental health, but yet this is on the list of banned substances. The NFL is upset because a leak of a possible suspension came out before they actually ruled there would be one. As of now the NFL has not announced anything and it seems there are discussions between the players association and the NFL on this subject.

Yeah it's an off label treatment that some professionals have been using to treat depression (e.g., that was not the intended use when it was developed for ADHD and narcolepsy but clinical trials showed it to be effective.)

I'd say Jamo has a shot at winning this one. A very long shot, but let's hope for the best.

Love the full support MCDC showed today. Basically said, "Hey, that's my guy, I've had enough interaction with him to know if he tells me something, then that's what it is." They can't talk specifics right now but sounds like the team is standing with Jamo, and at the same time cognizant ignorance is not an excuse - they're well suited to get through two games without him.

That would not have been the case Week 1. So glad we got Tim Patrick. And while he's not productive in game yet, Allen Robinson II has been putting in work helping with installs and running scout team. He's basically getting all the crap work nobody wants or gets foisted on to interns but he's all in to help out in any way. Jamo mentioned a few weeks back that ARob has been a mentor and he really appreciates what he is passing on to him. Guy used to be a stud, now he's washed, but accepts where he is at rn and embraces it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jake Bates won NFC Special Teams Player of the Week. I'm losing track but I think that's at least 4 players to win one this year.

edit - 4 straight games

Lions win fourth straight player of week award​

 

[jon_mx]

According to PFF the last two weeks, Brian Branch is the highest rated player in the NFL. He is likr tops in coverage, 3rd in pass rusing and 4th in run stoppage.

 

[BobbyLayne]

According to PFF the last two weeks, Brian Branch is the highest rated player in the NFL. He is likr tops in coverage, 3rd in pass rusing and 4th in run stoppage.

Actually that's his ranks positionally for the entire season.

He is in definitely in the conversation for DPoty.

The production rivals prime Ed Reed.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Bootleg Football - Jared Goff, MVP Front Runner? Jared Goff's INCREDIBLE month

 

[dblock05]

According to the chatter, it sounds like Jamo was taking Adderal for a mental health issue prescribed by a doctor. But this creates a quagmire for the NFL as they have been promoting protecting players health and mental health, but yet this is on the list of banned substances. The NFL is upset because a leak of a possible suspension came out before they actually ruled there would be one. As of now the NFL has not announced anything and it seems there are discussions between the players association and the NFL on this subject.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe I read the other day on the nflpa website that you can have a prescription for it and be allowed to take it. Now I guess if it wasn’t for ADHD, the nfl can go after him?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Bootleg Football - Jared Goff, MVP Front Runner? Jared Goff's INCREDIBLE month

Even more impressively, Goff finally made Travdogg's top 15 QBs list.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Bootleg Football - Jared Goff, MVP Front Runner? Jared Goff's INCREDIBLE month

Even more impressively, Goff finally made Travdogg's top 15 QBs list.

Begrudgingly. And people still wandered in crying about his season long numbers like Weeks 1-2 are somehow meaningful in Week 8. "He should have had 3 turnovers in the Vikings game." People just making stuff up desperately trying to discredit him.

incoming rant

PFF graded him as having two (2) turnover worthy plays (TWP).

• One was a fumble that he regained control of in a few tenths of a second (ball came out and he literally had two hands on it as he was going to the ground.)
• The other was a Will Levis decision to arm going forward fumble it to where a gaggle of 3 Detroit OL were gathered (2 had just turnstyled their man, the 3rd was Frank asking WTH man.) Neither fumble was ever in danger of being recovered.
• None were related to a thrown ball leaving the pocket with the intention of being completed.
• Three incompletions; two were tipped/batted balls, and neither were turnover worthy.

1. first incompletion 7:52 3rd Q
   - was 15 of 15 up to then. tipped pass intended for LaPorta; ball was redirected upward and was still directly online with the target. not a TWP.
2. second incompletion 6:04 4thQ
   - was 20 of 21 up to then. short pass over the middle to Monty, touch low but hit him in the hands. Van Ginkel tipped it on the way out which is why it was basically uncatchable. not a TWP.
3. third incompletion 5:14 4th Q
   - next pass attempt was a sail route up the left side to Raymond which was caught OOB. caused by Van Ginkel moving him off his spot. only bad throw of the game out of 25 ATT. not a TWP.
4. fumble #1 11:52 4th Q
   - blitz, Greenard 2-hand swipes the turnstyle and drills Goff, arms over the top tip the ball out, Goff gets lucky because ball (which ain't round) bounces off the turg directly into his stomach. Was never close to being recovered, but that is some incredible horseshoe luck, def a deserved 1st TWP.
5. fumble #2 5:07 4th Q
   -4-man rush, 2 DL get through, JG spins away from Greenard and Van Ginkel on a stunt twist hits him as he is trying to get it to Gibbs in the flat. ball flies directly to where the Ragnow & the 2 OL who got beat are standing, the Pro Ball C falls on it. Though it was never at risk of being recovered, that's a Will Levis kind of error, def a twp, def lucky, officially the 2nd TWP.

That's it.

People must think one of the 3 contested catches to Amon-Ra St Brown was too risky and those were TWP. PFF did not grade them as such. If people think Goff throwing to ARSB in a tight window is too risky, maybe they should be watching curling.

Oh, but he's setup for success, they have the best offensive line in the league. They are road graders, but in pass protection this year they are ranked 14th.

Frank Ragnow had the best game of the week at C, Glasgow at RG was good, and Penei was his usual self (1 sack in his last 1289 snaps). 3 pressures between those stalwarts.

LT Decker (6 pressures) and RG Kayode Awosika (backup in for Zeitler, 4 pressures) were hot garbage. The RBs were assigned blitz pickup 5x and gave up 3 pressures.
LaPorta (4), Wright (2), and Patrick (the TD to St Brown) were a perfect 7/7 when Ragnow asked them to cover the blitz.

Vikings blitzed on 17 of 29 (58.6) drop backs per PFF which resulted in 1 (one) sack. Highest blitz rate any QB has faced this year.

15/16 165 TD 130.5
(not a surprise, Goff has always been a blitz beater - he knows where the hot read is, that's why his time to throw was 2.31. That's his bread n butter, getting the ball out on time & on target.)

Goff was under pressure 16 times (55.1%). Highest of any QB in the NFL this season. 4 sacks.

11/13 156 TD 142.3
(This is the part that is new; Jared Goff has always wilted under pressure. This year he's like "oh, you're swiping across my arm, no worries, lemme just shuffle up & rip a bullet.")

When pressured this season - not blitzed, but actual felt pressure - Jared Goff currently leads all qualified quarterbacks in:

• yards per attempt (11.6) - next highest is 9.0
• completion percentage (71.6%)
• CPOE (+9.6%)
• passer rating (125.7)

/rant

Time for a bagel run & then gonna hop on the bus to go sit with the folks in the chemo ward. :confetti:

 

[Da Guru]

If Williams needed Adderall for mental health issues they have a legitimate case not to be suspended.

I read in the past players were taking it for the physical and mental boost it gives.

If you have ever taken it."I did once" just to see what it was like and my energy and stamina levels are off the charts. So I do understand why the NFL would not want players taking it. It is like speed but you are very aware of the energy boost.

 

[BobbyLayne]

statement from Jamo

 

[BobbyLayne]

Josh Reynolds had a bad day last week. Shot twice, left arm and in the back of the head in a L.A. strip club.

Reynolds, who, according to court documents, was shot twice, once in his left arm and once in the back of his head. Another man was shot in his back. A third victim was wounded by shattered glass, the court documents say. All three had scrapes from climbing over a fence, the documents say.

Guessing he won’t be coming off IR anytime soon.