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2025 Detroit Lions: 6-4 Eagles beat Lions 16-9 (36 Viewers)
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Glad to have you aboard. Sorry about the clutter.
joey
Footballguy
Love watching this team. Glad they’re so good now that I get to see them in lots of nationally televised games.
Was loving Gibbs lighting up Tampa Bay this week, and then I said to my brother, “now they’re going to batter them with Montgomery “. What a great offense.
And man, The D shut down the vaunted (though hobbled at WR) TB offense and Mayfield. Love the vibe of your D Coord with those dreads on the sideline and hyped up as hell.
Keep on keepin on!
Was loving Gibbs lighting up Tampa Bay this week, and then I said to my brother, “now they’re going to batter them with Montgomery “. What a great offense.
And man, The D shut down the vaunted (though hobbled at WR) TB offense and Mayfield. Love the vibe of your D Coord with those dreads on the sideline and hyped up as hell.
Keep on keepin on!
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
In four short years Brad Holmes has taken a laughing stock of a franchise and turned it into arguably the best roster in the league. It blows my mind that actual Lion fans spend their energy criticizing him. Is he perfect…nope. However, based on my first sentence I am more than content on the job he has done as I know what worse looks like. 5-2 and looking good this year, I am not missing the pre-Holmes era one bit.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
Most of us are used to being lower than the Raiders are now. So we might be a little spoiled.
Campbell makes errors about going for it. Holmes has missed on 3rd rounders. Like every Detroit team, there's been a focus on their own guys instead of Free Agents. Ben Johnson made mistakes. Aaron Glenn made mistakes. Somehow they've gone 32-9 (34-11including postseason) the last 2 1/2 years despite all this.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Any chance the are moving on from Crosby? *fingers crossed*
joey
Footballguy
Honestly, Maxx is the next in a long line great Raiders who are the ONLY great player on the roster and their career is wasted on a crappy team. The Raiders would be doing him a great favor to send him to a team that can actually compete.
I thought I read that they are not going to trade him. Crosby has said repeatedly that he wants to stay with the Raiders. They could get a haul if they moved him.
rockaction
Footballguy
The present tense called and wants a word with you.
It sure is a lot more fun arguing about whether they need one more piece to win the Super Bowl vs arguing about when they should fire their coach or who they should take with their Top 5 pick.
Brad Holmes has done a spectacular job. If we don't get a Super Bowl out of this run, it would be a bummer, but it will still be the greatest run of Lions teams in my lifetime.
Everyone agrees on this. The problem is there are some who feel you are no longer allowed to question Brad for all he's done.
It sure is a lot more fun arguing about whether they need one more piece to win the Super Bowl vs arguing about when they should fire their coach or who they should take with their Top 5 pick.
Brad Holmes has done a spectacular job. If we don't get a Super Bowl out of this run, it would be a bummer, but it will still be the greatest run of Lions teams in my lifetime.
I have said it 100 times, you can enjoy the ride, appreciate the team and think Brad is doing a great job and STILL be critical.
Most fans in every other sports town do it. Here in Detroit it seems you cannot question Brad or Yzerman without being asked to move out of the state.
Everyone agrees on this. The problem is there are some who feel you are no longer allowed to question Brad for all he's done.
It sure is a lot more fun arguing about whether they need one more piece to win the Super Bowl vs arguing about when they should fire their coach or who they should take with their Top 5 pick.
Brad Holmes has done a spectacular job. If we don't get a Super Bowl out of this run, it would be a bummer, but it will still be the greatest run of Lions teams in my lifetime.
I have said it 100 times, you can enjoy the ride, appreciate the team and think Brad is doing a great job and STILL be critical.
Most fans in every other sports town do it. Here in Detroit it seems you cannot question Brad or Yzerman without being asked to move out of the state.
You can criticize Brad all you want. But I can criticize asinine statements too. Things like we can't call Brad Holmes great until he wins two Super Bowls. Or talking about they must go all in now because the window is going to close. Or that Brad Homes does not understand the importance of a pass rush. Or that there is some sort of football formula that must be followed to win and Brad is not following it.
Brad Holmes has done an absolutely outstanding job, an A+ by any reasonable standard. Nobody has drafts where you 4 players the quality of a Penei, St. Brown, Alim, and Barnes. Or four players like like Gibbs, Jack Campbell, LaPorta, and Branch. Nobody. I would love to hear all about all these better draft classes than those by all the great GMs from other teams. These were incredible hauls that every single GM is envious of. I could not care less about a missed picks like Brodrick Martin or a Hendon Hooker. The draft is a fortune-telling crap shoot and Holmes is an absolute wizard at getting it right far more than not.
Yes, i absolutely love what Shiela, Dan and Brad built here. Detroit is a juggernaut other teams are afraid to play, a team that has been on everyone's list of top contentenders for the Super Bowl the last few years. Brad and Dan have a vision and plan for this team and they have earned 100 percent trust of the fan base who has endured decades of brutaly bad football.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Everyone agrees on this. The problem is there are some who feel you are no longer allowed to question Brad for all he's done.
It sure is a lot more fun arguing about whether they need one more piece to win the Super Bowl vs arguing about when they should fire their coach or who they should take with their Top 5 pick.
Brad Holmes has done a spectacular job. If we don't get a Super Bowl out of this run, it would be a bummer, but it will still be the greatest run of Lions teams in my lifetime.
I have said it 100 times, you can enjoy the ride, appreciate the team and think Brad is doing a great job and STILL be critical.
Most fans in every other sports town do it. Here in Detroit it seems you cannot question Brad or Yzerman without being asked to move out of the state.
You can criticize Brad all you want. But I can criticize asinine statements too. Things like we can't call Brad Holmes great until he wins two Super Bowls. Or talking about they must go all in now because the window is going to close. Or that Brad Homes does not understand the importance of a pass rush. Or that there is some sort of football formula that must be followed to win and Brad is not following it.
Brad Holmes has done an absolutely outstanding job, an A+ by any reasonable standard. Nobody has drafts where you 4 players the quality of a Penei, St. Brown, Alim, and Barnes. Or four players like like Gibbs, Jack Campbell, LaPorta, and Branch. Nobody. I would love to hear all about all these better draft classes than those by all the great GMs from other teams. These were incredible hauls that every single GM is envious of. I could not care less about a missed picks like Brodrick Martin or a Hendon Hooker. The draft is a fortune-telling crap shoot and Holmes is an absolute wizard at getting it right far more than not.
Yes, i absolutely love what Shiela, Dan and Brad built here. Detroit is a juggernaut other teams are afraid to play, a team that has been on everyone's list of top contentenders for the Super Bowl the last few years. Brad and Dan have a vision and plan for this team and they have earned 100 percent trust of the fan base who has endured decades of brutaly bad football.
What about where you make up the entire first paragraph? What do we call that?
I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.
- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'
- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'
‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'
- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'
- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'
And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.
- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'
- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'
‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'
- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'
- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'
And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.
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There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.
Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.
That does not make me a bad person.
Take care and have a good day,
It is a major insult to say Holmes has not done everything he can to win a Super Bowl. The guy is working his butt off and doing an incredible job. Insulting what he is doing is absolutely a turdy comment. And I say that very much as an adult.
I disagree here. Doing everything that you can to win A Super Bowl would involve going all in on a particular season and sacrificing future draft picks and cap space, pretty much guaranteeing a decline in a couple of years when the bills come due. Brad has shown no inclination to do that. What Brad wants to do is build a team that will consistently be one of the top 5 best in the NFL and hope that things break right one of those years to win a title.
Those are very much different philosophies. Both are valid approaches to winning, but personally, I prefer the approach that Brad is taking, as the 'All-in' philosophy can be derailed by a key injury or unlucky bounce in a playoff game, and result in no title AND a return to mediocrity in a couple of years. But I certainly understand people who are so desperate for a Super Bowl that they'd choose the other path.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Using terms like turds and asinine is not good manners or respectful to people who are also dedicated Lions fans. In fact it should be reported; that it hasn’t shows more tolerance than is deserved.
If Brad is as good as we think he is, he absolutely can go all in and still be competitive in the future. Just look at the team he left.
Rams went all in, won a Super Bowl and are back in the mix again.
If anything, I am supporting how good of a job he has done because I believe he can trade draft capital and still use his drafting skills to fill positions.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
And saying he way better than all the other gms isn't insulting? Especially to the ones who have won super bowls? Or turned horrible teams around? Are good at trading or finding free agents?
Isn't it weird that I can disagree with Zeppelin, Leroy l, Payne etc and we can like posts when we do agree and not call people names, be a jerk, make things up or not score keep when someone is wrong on something and question their fandom? Why can't you do it?
Report it then please. Daisy is the one who makes it personal calling me a liar for things she knows which were said. When people in the peanut gallery criticize someone who puts in 16-18 hours every day calling every GM, scouring practice squads, talking to coaching staff about players and needs, talking to scouts about players all over the world, managing this year's salary cap as well as futures, dealing contracts with players, etc....and is doing it all phenomenally. Yeah it ticks me off that fans would suggest he does not care about the pass rush or is not doing enough to win a Super Bowl. Dan and Brad are absolute treasures and they are both doing everything humanly possible to win and make the city and fans proud.
Agreed. Drop the insults and let's keep it 100% on football discussion.
It's been reported. And it should be. We can do better than discussing like that.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
OK now that all that is behind us (hopefully) let's look at an actual game coming up.
Vikings opened last week at +7 but jumped to 8.5 after last night's debacle. Word is that the awful looking Wentz is being replaced by McCarthy, who himself looked mostly lost even before his injury.
Lions just have to stay focused on this game, don't do any looking ahead in the schedule, and it should be a W in some shape or form.
Vikings opened last week at +7 but jumped to 8.5 after last night's debacle. Word is that the awful looking Wentz is being replaced by McCarthy, who himself looked mostly lost even before his injury.
Lions just have to stay focused on this game, don't do any looking ahead in the schedule, and it should be a W in some shape or form.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I know it is a division opponent, but this should be an easy win. The Vikings defense isn't as good as last year, neither qb looks good, they can't run the ball, the Lions are off a bye and at home. Any win is good in the NFL, but I will be a little disappointed if this isn't a two score + type of game.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think you are right, Vikings seem in disarray. This should be an easy win barring unforeseen injury or fluke turnovers that result in TDs.
The Lions should win handliy but it's a division game and this is the NFL.
Aside from that, you would have never guessed Alim McNeill was playing his first game after a torn ACL. He is a big time difference maker. The whole line was great and they contained Baker Mayfield. He did not have a single rushing attempt.
Aside from that, you would have never guessed Alim McNeill was playing his first game after a torn ACL. He is a big time difference maker. The whole line was great and they contained Baker Mayfield. He did not have a single rushing attempt.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Sorry if I missed this, but does anyone know what's going on with Bobby Layne? It's so crazy to see this thread buried on Page 5 because he's not posting his usual gems
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I have not seen him anywhere on the site recently. I remember him taking a break a couple years ago, hopefully it's just the same this time.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Yeah, just looked it up and his last post was in this thread in September. Dropped him a note asking if everything was OK and telling him we all missed his contributions. Hopefully it's just a case of him taking a break
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
This is from a few days ago, so may be a little out of date. I've heard, for example, that TA could be back this week. Would also be nice if Reed and Marcus were back for the Philly game
Lions bye week complete injury recap with projected returns
Lions bye week complete injury recap with projected returns
The Eagles game is going to be huge. I would guess the goal is to get those guys back if possible.
Vikings should be a rather "easy" win. Commanders look lost. Biggest games going forward are Phiilly, GB and LA.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I'm taking nothing for granted with the Commanders, especially since Daniels should be back by then
This is from yesterday from Pride of Detroit:
The Lions won’t produce an official injury report until Wednesday, but here are the players missing from Tuesday’s practice:
- RB Craig Reynolds
- LT Taylor Decker
- EDGE Al-Quadin Muhammad
- S Kerby Joseph
- RB Sione Vaki
- LB Malcolm Rodriguez (evaluation window started)
- CB Terrion Arnold
- CB Avonte Maddox
Link
In the above article, Dan Campbell said he expects Decker to practice Thursday.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Hutch extended.
www.sportingnews.com
Detroit Lions, Aidan Hutchinson agree to massive 4-year contract extension | Sporting News Canada
The Detroit Lions and star edge rusher Aidan Hutchinson have reportedly agreed to a four-year contract extension.
Hutch extended.
Detroit Lions, Aidan Hutchinson agree to massive 4-year contract extension | Sporting News Canada
The Detroit Lions and star edge rusher Aidan Hutchinson have reportedly agreed to a four-year contract extension.
Don't even really care what the contract terms are
Reportedly a 4 year extension worth $180 million with $141 million guaranteed. That's the most guaranteed money ever for a non-QB.Hutch extended.
Detroit Lions, Aidan Hutchinson agree to massive 4-year contract extension | Sporting News Canada
The Detroit Lions and star edge rusher Aidan Hutchinson have reportedly agreed to a four-year contract extension.
Don't even really care what the contract terms are
Well deserved and he's worth every penny and then some.
Nobody has signed an extension for more than 4 years.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Agreed. It's pretty rare that teams actually hamstring themselves by extending their stars. I want to see Hutch get whatever he's worth.Hutch extended.
Detroit Lions, Aidan Hutchinson agree to massive 4-year contract extension | Sporting News Canada
The Detroit Lions and star edge rusher Aidan Hutchinson have reportedly agreed to a four-year contract extension.
Don't even really care what the contract terms are
On the one hand, this news is not surprising. But given the past couple months, I guess we should be glad that they didn't trade him to the Eagles?
Outside of Bosa, I guess you're right. I thought a few were 5 year. Oh well.
I meant the Lions extensions. For all teams, with the exception of QBs most are 4 years or less.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Aren't all NFL contracts effectively three-year deals these days? If he's good, he gets extended. If not, they cut him early.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It was going to happen sooner or later. Lions wanted to see how he was after the injury and rightly so.Reportedly a 4 year extension worth $180 million with $141 million guaranteed. That's the most guaranteed money ever for a non-QB.Hutch extended.
Detroit Lions, Aidan Hutchinson agree to massive 4-year contract extension | Sporting News Canada
The Detroit Lions and star edge rusher Aidan Hutchinson have reportedly agreed to a four-year contract extension.
Don't even really care what the contract terms are
Well deserved and he's worth every penny and then some.
Needed to be done. i kinda wish they waited on Williams since he had this year and next still left.
Lions, Vikings initial injury report: 6 players return to practice
For the Lions, they held practices on Monday and Tuesday, gave players Wednesday off, and will follow that up with two more practices on Thursday and Friday to wrap up the week. Because the first injury report of this week is due out on Wednesday—and the players were not in Allen Park—this practice report is only an estimation of how coaches believed players would have participated, had there been a practice.
For the Lions, they held practices on Monday and Tuesday, gave players Wednesday off, and will follow that up with two more practices on Thursday and Friday to wrap up the week. Because the first injury report of this week is due out on Wednesday—and the players were not in Allen Park—this practice report is only an estimation of how coaches believed players would have participated, had there been a practice.
The following about D.J. Reed is from the article:
Reed is not eligible to return to practice for another week, but he was spotted at practice working with trainers, which is typically a milestone before taking the next step in his recovery. If he’s getting some training work in now, there’s a chance he could see his injury evaluation clock start as early as next week.
I hope he can be playing by week 11, when we play the Eagles. He is eligible to begin practicing next week.
We all discussed it before, but I still think the Jamo signing was a big mistake. I happen to think WR's with his talent can be replaced.It was going to happen sooner or later. Lions wanted to see how he was after the injury and rightly so.Reportedly a 4 year extension worth $180 million with $141 million guaranteed. That's the most guaranteed money ever for a non-QB.Hutch extended.
Detroit Lions, Aidan Hutchinson agree to massive 4-year contract extension | Sporting News Canada
The Detroit Lions and star edge rusher Aidan Hutchinson have reportedly agreed to a four-year contract extension.
Don't even really care what the contract terms are
Well deserved and he's worth every penny and then some.
Needed to be done. i kinda wish they waited on Williams since he had this year and next still left.
I'm also afraid it's going to cost the team down the road.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
We all discussed it before, but I still think the Jamo signing was a big mistake. I happen to think WR's with his talent can be replaced.It was going to happen sooner or later. Lions wanted to see how he was after the injury and rightly so.Reportedly a 4 year extension worth $180 million with $141 million guaranteed. That's the most guaranteed money ever for a non-QB.Hutch extended.
Detroit Lions, Aidan Hutchinson agree to massive 4-year contract extension | Sporting News Canada
The Detroit Lions and star edge rusher Aidan Hutchinson have reportedly agreed to a four-year contract extension.
Don't even really care what the contract terms are
Well deserved and he's worth every penny and then some.
Needed to be done. i kinda wish they waited on Williams since he had this year and next still left.
I'm also afraid it's going to cost the team down the road.
I am pretty much with you about Jamo, but I haven't looked at the contract going forward. If they have an easy out in anyear or two then I am not upset about it. Plus if he help win a superbowl this year or next then I really don't care. No one cares about the Seahawks trading a high pick and paying Percy Harvin when he was scoring a touchdown in the Super Bowl win.
I do like the Lions seem to be the opposite of last year. They dominated for 10ish weeks last year and were pretty healthy other than Hutch. This year they have been banged up and have looked good, but not dominate and should get guys back.
I still want a pass rusher and/or a offensive lineman. They are good enough to win a super bowl, but make it more likely, and easier to win one. Go get a good player or two.
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