Da Guru
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2025 Detroit Lions: 6-4 Eagles beat Lions 16-9 (52 Viewers)
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
It is a perfect way to say and sad at the same time. All these teams are good to extremely good and we haven't played for a title in 12 years as a city and haven't won one in 18.
Your response kind of insinuated that. I apologize for assuming.
I think the Lions are in win mode too. They should be.
The fact that, once again, the defending champs are making moves to win now and we have yet to do so is frustrating.
I'm going to wait until after 4 before saying more. DC was just on 97.1 and basically said they aren't going to push for a trade.
If it's there, great. If not, we move on. I want to hear more at this stage.
Go get Bitonio to shore up the guard position. Go get an edge or a corner. Doubt we can do both.
Unfortunately, the Lions do not have a 3rd rounder. That appears to be a potential issue. Don't want to give up a 2nd and a 4th may not cut it.
That's fine if your goal is to win a championship.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Like someone already said, I'll wait till 4pm before being judge and jury on what will or won't happen.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Is there a team where you could trade a second to get two players that would help? I am asking because I really don't know if that is even possible.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
All good,
I consider the Eagles and Rams two of the Lions top competitor's in the NFL. I was quoting what Roseman's said last season that he is always in a win now mode.
Still think the Lions will do something, what that is who knows?
Campbell is not going to say anything more than that right now.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
And he shouldn't. Don't tip your hand.
The entire NFL knows they have needs. It's not top secret.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That n is true for everyone, but I would rather they keep quiet so other teams don't know who they are interested in.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Campbell: "We wanted to make a trade, but every time the other team asked who we were interested in, we tried not to tip our hand. Unfortunately the deadline passed without a trade, but at least we kept our interests secret."
Keep quiet about what? The league knows they need an O lineman.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
But which one? We I understand th needs, but I don't want him tipping off the who on a radio show.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
What are you talking about? We are talking about his interview with a local radio show not other general managers. Try and keep up.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
You posted, "I would rather they keep quiet so other teams don't know who they are interested in." Are you even reading what you're writing? Here's a newsflash for you, if you, as a fan, know what positions the Detroit Lions need to upgrade at, every NFL GM also knows. It's not some secret.
This is what I'm saying. Dan could come on the radio and spew everything. It's already well known.
Doesn't really matter. One hour to go and not a sniff of anything.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That isn't what you said at all or what we were talking.
Lion fans we need help on both lines, but let's keep the names quiet incase other teams aren't on this guy.
Snotbubbles," yeah but everyone already knows Michiganders like Detriot style pizza. "
msudaisy26
Footballguy
It is just like the draft, everyone knows your needs. They don't know what plazer you want and you shouldn't give up that info.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
Looks like a whole lot of nothing.
Wouldn't have minded if they'd been involved in the trades for Jaelan Phillips or maybe Quinnen Williams, but otherwise most of the moves made were meh. I'm not too jealous of the Penning trade as much as the Lions could use healthy bodies on OL.
I have no idea how people would've reacted if the Lions had been involved in the Sauce trade.
Wouldn't have minded if they'd been involved in the trades for Jaelan Phillips or maybe Quinnen Williams, but otherwise most of the moves made were meh. I'm not too jealous of the Penning trade as much as the Lions could use healthy bodies on OL.
I have no idea how people would've reacted if the Lions had been involved in the Sauce trade.
The Lions didn't make a move. I'm good with the defense but I really wish they would have addressed the interior offensive line. But teams rarely trade good ones, especially at the trade deadline. I heard or read somewhere that the Browns were not going to move Bitonio because they don't want a big hole in their line with two rookie QBs. That's who I wanted because he plays LG. Other than him I have no idea who was available.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The way the o-line is falling apart not sure one player would make much of an impact. DC said there are guys in the hopper so time will tell.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I had changed my mind with all the injuries and wanted a offensive lineman over a defensive lineman, but if an offensive lineman wasn't available I would still wanted them to add on the defensive line. There win rate is still low other than Hutch and you can never have enough pass rushers.
I think the price teams wanted for their players were very high. Most Super Bowl contenders like the Lions, Bucs, Packers, Rams, Chiefs, and Bills didn't make any moves. The Titans and Browns thought it was more important to keep their veteran guards to help their young QBs than to move them for late round picks. Only one offensive lineman was traded and he isn't very good. The Bengals did not move Hendrickson. And on and on.
if it wasn't for the Jets, this would have been a very underwhelming trade deadline.
if it wasn't for the Jets, this would have been a very underwhelming trade deadline.
I gave myself the night to think.
My conclusion, Holmes is excellent at scouting (his bread and butter), very good at drafting (not great) and above average at everything else.
He should not and cannot be compared to Howie Roseman. The fact Roseman used the 3rd round pick Holmes gave Philly to move up for a WR with all of 3 receptions this year to grab an edge rusher the Lions could have used says a lot. Being great at drafting is more than just grabbing good players. Holmes is great at that. But having the capital needed at the deadline is just as important. My guess is a move would have been made had the Lions had a 3rd round pick. But they didn't.
No, offensive lineman are not traded often, but Holmes is paid good money to make that happen.
The Chargers traded a 6th rounder in 2027 for Trevor Penning. A guy who has played LG this year and RT last year.
Maybe he isn't Sewell, but he's better than what Holmes went and got.
My conclusion, Holmes is excellent at scouting (his bread and butter), very good at drafting (not great) and above average at everything else.
He should not and cannot be compared to Howie Roseman. The fact Roseman used the 3rd round pick Holmes gave Philly to move up for a WR with all of 3 receptions this year to grab an edge rusher the Lions could have used says a lot. Being great at drafting is more than just grabbing good players. Holmes is great at that. But having the capital needed at the deadline is just as important. My guess is a move would have been made had the Lions had a 3rd round pick. But they didn't.
No, offensive lineman are not traded often, but Holmes is paid good money to make that happen.
The Chargers traded a 6th rounder in 2027 for Trevor Penning. A guy who has played LG this year and RT last year.
Maybe he isn't Sewell, but he's better than what Holmes went and got.
How fast we forget the Packers traded for Micah. The Rams signed Adams. The Chiefs offered a 4th for Hall when the Jets wanted a 3rd.
That seems like a huge miss by KC.
I'm not a fan of "well these other teams didn't make moves, so....." No. Holmes job is to make this team better and he failed to do so.
Sunday told a very bad story. They need help on the interior O line badly. Goff has very limited time and the entire team feeds off the run game which is in trouble.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
What DC talks about with the media is probably different than what he may be talking about with other GMs. Don’t you think?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am convinced Howie Roseman isn't real he was the first generation of AI and no one should be compared to him. Most GM play checkers, our GM and a few others play chess, Howie is playing a game we have never even heard of.
I agree with a lot of this. Holmes could do better at keeping draft picks for in-season trades. I didn't like the TeSlaa trade when it was made.
I wish they could have gotten a guard but neither of us knows who was available. Good offensive linemen rarely get traded at the deadline. I heard somewhere that only 7 have been moved at the deadline since somewhere around 2000. My guess is the available guards were replacement level players which doesn't move the needle for me. Penning is one of them. He got moved because he isn't very good. That's the caliber of player that was available. You can want to make a trade all you want (and I wanted them to) but it takes two teams to make a trade. The only kind of trade that made sense would have been for a quality starter and nobody knows if any good ones were available. Bitonio is the one that made sense but I read somewhere that the Browns weren't interested in moving him because they want to protect their young QBs.
There's a reason why good starting caliber offensive linemen don't get traded...good ones are very hard to find and teams don't want to trade them. It's not an excuse, it's reality and it's been proven over the years.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Ok? What does that have to do with anything that was written there?
The whole premise of the post I was responding to was, "I would rather keep quiet so other teams don't know who they are interested in." If Campbell is talking to other teams GMs, then logically, at a minimum those teams know who they're interested in. So the statement doesn't make much sense. The GMs know which players are available and which players aren't, that's their job. They also know what other teams needs are. It's not rocket science. Now, if the statement I was responding to was, "I would rather they keep quiet so that the players on the Lions don't know who they're interested in because it may effect the locker room", or something of that ilk, then we have a different conversation. However, that wasn't the implication in the post. The implication was that not responding to a media inquiry was good so that other GMs don't know who the Lions are interested in doesn't make much sense.
I'll go one step further, as an example, it was apparent that the Eagles were looking to upgrade at CB2 and DE. There were reports that the Eagles offered 3 1sts for Myles Garrett and were interested in Jaelen Phillips, Bradley Chubb, Matthew Judon and Jermaine Johnson. They ended up trading for Phillips. Does it matter that their intentions were made public. Not in the least bit. I'm sure if Miami had multiple suitors for Phillips, they played offers off each other and took the best deal they could get. The whole, "keep quiet so other teams don't know" angle doesn't really make sense, since at the trade deadline, a team is going to take the best offer for a player they're trading that they no longer want.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Roseman has a different mind set on his deadline moves. The Phillips move was a no brainer as they are only paying him 500K for the rest of the season. As with anything time will tell if it pays off. Problem this season was Holmes had traded a lot of mid round picks to move up for Martin and Teslaa. 5-6 picks for those 2 guys alone. Looks like he did not want to totally empty the draft cupboard.
Roseman: I think when we came down to it and had the conversations, my regret would be not doing everything I can to try to maximize the ability of this team to win as many games as we possibly can this season, and give ourselves that opportunity in January and, hopefully, February.”
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
When you consider there are 160 starting offensive lineman at any given time that's an interesting stat over a 25 year period.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
They were talking about this on The Athletic Football Show. Basically teams never feel like they can have too much OL depth, so they don't want to trade them in-season (it's a little like how RBs rarely get traded in fantasy because even if you have four good ones, you worry that at least one of them will get hurt).
Penning was a guy the Saints had given up on, and the Chargers just needed a body. It's not even clear he can play tackle, which is where they have their gaping hole
See, this is what frustrates me. We don't even hear a peep about the Lions. Yes, I'm sure they reached out to teams.
But you hear nada. I would love to hear "The Lions offered a 2nd for Trey." "The Lions offered a 4th for an O lineman." Anything.
I have a good source who claims he has a no trade agreement with Cleveland. Plans to retire after the year. Young kids in the school system, etc.
Kerby Joseph has been ruled out.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
Well, whether Dan Campbell was calling plays (and he probably was), definitely can't complain about the offensive production.
Looked pretty smooth sailing against an injured and struggling Commanders team.
I'm not going to pump up the hype too much, but given games like BUF-MIA this week, I'm not taking it for granted either.
Rest up, hopefully get a little healthier, and get ready for going to Philly.
Looked pretty smooth sailing against an injured and struggling Commanders team.
I'm not going to pump up the hype too much, but given games like BUF-MIA this week, I'm not taking it for granted either.
Rest up, hopefully get a little healthier, and get ready for going to Philly.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
This was one of those no win situations for a good team, you are supposed to do this to a bad team, so you don't get credit for doing it, but it looks awful if you don't blow the team out and panic sets in if you lose.
Wrigley
Footballguy
This game felt over at half.
Next weekend will decide where I stand.
If I am being honest, I don't think they have a great win yet. They are beating the teams they should beat as well as teams that were really banged up.
We avoided Lamar and Burrow. Tampa was their best win so far and that was Monday night at home against a banged-up Bucs.
They lost against the three good, healthy teams they played.
Sunday night @ Philly is going to be the barometer of where the Lions stand if you ask me.
If I am being honest, I don't think they have a great win yet. They are beating the teams they should beat as well as teams that were really banged up.
We avoided
They lost against the three good, healthy teams they played.
Sunday night @ Philly is going to be the barometer of where the Lions stand if you ask me.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Wrong, Lamar played the whole game and got sacked 7 times.
My apologies. You're correct. That was a good win.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
So what do we think about MCDC taking over play-calling duties? Results looked good yesterday (against an admittedly checked-out Washington D). But what does this say about Morton? Is it just a case of shifting around duties like Campbell said? Or is he admitting that Morton is Anthony Lynn 2.0?
All I know is if we suddenly start hearing that Matt Patricia is secretly serving as Lions OC, I'm out
All I know is if we suddenly start hearing that Matt Patricia is secretly serving as Lions OC, I'm out
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
A lot of HCs are play callers on either offense or defense. A demotion of sorts for Morton but I don't think he's getting fired, more like an Eric B. situation in KC.
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