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2025 Miami Dolphins - Draft 2025 (55 Viewers)

Only Chase is under contract after this season.
RBs under contract in 2023, 0.0
Doesn’t matter, for many reasons. Main one is that mosert and Wilson are similar backs and having them in tandem is good for this year, but they aren’t pricey even if they are great. The other two gaskin and Ahmed are backups and special teams guys at best.
This is a good topic.

-Mostert was signed to a 1 yr-$3M deal, he's 30 yrs old, he'll be 31 next season and I bet they bring him back if he can finish the year out relatively healthy. Jeff Wilson is going to be 26/27 next season, RBs don't get big money and he's not very splashy so I think he likely would not get much more than Mostert but he is 4-5 yrs younger.

-Edmonds was due another $6M next year, likely can get BOTH of these guys back for that kind of money, maybe Wilson gets a 2-3 yr deal but he is injured a lot too so it would be incentive based I would imagine.

I'm not too worried about RB in 2023, I like what they did to shore things up for the rest of this year and give us a fighting chance in cold weather to open up another side of the Playbook. Shanahan's ability to get the Niners ground game going allows them to run DEEP into the Playoffs with 2 trips to the NFCC and 1 Super Bowl in the last 3 seasons, that's what we are talking about here. Mostert/Wilson is a professional back field even if it's not flashy. Many teams win a Super Bowl with workmanlike RBs that are not flashy, Green Bay in '96 jumps to mind, many of the Patriots teams didn't have a Pro Bowl RB.

You two got me talking Super Bowl, it's infectious.

I was trying to channel my best Jim Mora impression when everyone started waiving their Super Bowl hankies but I still am waking up and wanting someone to pinch me that we made these moves. I don't think Chubb is an All Pro by any means but I do think he will get that Front7 energized for the rest of the season. I hope Phillips can get loose now and show some of that flash we saw during his rookie year. Chubb can also mentor Phillips and show him new techniques to get to the QB, these 2 are going to team up out there, as Todem said "Color me excited"
 
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@ Chicago
Cleveland
Houston

-I know you all have Miami 8-3, I'm there if they are going to be a strong Playoff team, Tua has been on the winning side of the softer teams we face, Miami ripped thru the back end of their schedule in '21 and are 5-0 in games Tua starts and finishes, think Tua is at least 11-1 his last 12 starts and I think I might be short changing him. I could see 7-4, maybe a learning experience mixed in but then they hit a rougher patch f the schedule.

@ SF
@ LAC

-I have them getting a split and I want to see if you all feel the same as MoP here. I might have been fearful of these games and there still a team or two I might pencil in a loss but I think Miami can easily split these 2 games. Somebody is not going to like us, maybe both as we leave California. It's a homecoming for Mike McDaniel and I don't think he wants to be embarrassed and he won't be. Maybe it's the coaching but I see Miami getting a split here and I have them at 8-5 and I'll say most of you probably would have Miami 9-4 and I could be talked into that. I think Miami could actually sweep the West Coast trip, they have the firepower and can send a message in these games plus they will need to beat LAC for seeding purposes in the Playoffs as they likely are going to get in.

9-4 or 8-5 heading into the Orchard Park Showdown and I will just simply say we lose a close one and it's a great learning experience before we go back in January.

The last 3 games include Green Bay at home, chance to see Rodgers last time at Hard Rock. The Pack look terrible and I'm not the least bit worried here. We host the Jets, we will return the favor and so we have something like 9-5 or 8-6 for the last 3 weeks. I believe Miami can sweep those last 3 and they better so they have momentum for the Playoffs. Road trip to new England I am completely glossing over but we will discuss it later in the season a we approach Foxsboro.

11-6, maybe 12-5...10-7 wouldn't be great since they did that in 2020. I'd like to see them secure the top Wildcard spot and take on the worst Division winner.
What I'm saying is...where I might have notched a Loss vs some teams, now it feels like we can beat almost anyone most weeks and we already have wins vs Balt and Buff, teams likely to win their Divisions, 2 Playoff caliber teams we have already beaten.
 
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@ Chicago
Cleveland
Houston

-I know you all have Miami 8-3, I'm there if they are going to be a strong Playoff team, Tua has been on the winning side of the softer teams we face, Miami ripped thru the back end of their schedule in '21 and are 5-0 in games Tua starts and finishes, think Tua is at least 11-1 his last 12 starts and I think I might be short changing him. I could see 7-4, maybe a learning experience mixed in but then they hit a rougher patch f the schedule.

@ SF
@ LAC

-I have them getting a split and I want to see if you all feel the same as MoP here. I might have been fearful of these games and there still a team or two I might pencil in a loss but I think Miami can easily split these 2 games. Somebody is not going to like us, maybe both as we leave California. It's a homecoming for Mike McDaniel and I don't think he wants to be embarrassed and he won't be. Maybe it's the coaching but I see Miami getting a split here and I have them at 8-5 and I'll say most of you probably would have Miami 9-4 and I could be talked into that. I think Miami could actually sweep the West Coast trip, they have the firepower and can send a message in these games plus they will need to beat LAC for seeding purposes in the Playoffs as they likely are going to get in.

9-4 or 8-5 heading into the Orchard Park Showdown and I will just simply say we lose a close one and it's a great learning experience before we go back in January.

The last 3 games include Green Bay at home, chance to see Rodgers last time at Hard Rock. The Pack look terrible and I'm not the least bit worried here. We host the Jets, we will return the favor and so we have something like 9-5 or 8-6 for the last 3 weeks. I believe Miami can sweep those last 3 and they better so they have momentum for the Playoffs. Road trip to new England I am completely glossing over but we will discuss it later in the season a we approach Foxsboro.

11-5, maybe 12-5...10-7 wouldn't be great since they did that in 2020. I'd like to see them secure the top Wildcard spot and take on the worst Division winner.
What I'm saying is...where I might have notched a Loss vs some teams, now it feels like we can beat almost anyone most weeks and we already have wins vs Balt and Buff, teams likely to win their Divisions, 2 Playoff caliber teams we have already beaten.
I knew this was coming, MoP. I'm not a look ahead guy, as you know, but even I looked at the rest of the schedule again.

I won't guess wins and losses but will say I like the chances of finishing the rest of the season strong.
 
Phins Fam! Trying to take my family to Miami from the DC area to catch the Jets game on Jan 8. Problem is, I need 5-6 together and all that ticketmaster has are uppers in the endzone. I am 100% fine with uppers, but not in the end zone. Long way to go to sit in the endzone up high. If by any chance anyone out there has any connections or thoughts, please share.

I realize this is off topic and if any single person would like for me to take it down, I will definitely do so. Also happy to take it offline if anyone has any idea to share. Thanks!
 
Phins Fam! Trying to take my family to Miami from the DC area to catch the Jets game on Jan 8. Problem is, I need 5-6 together and all that ticketmaster has are uppers in the endzone. I am 100% fine with uppers, but not in the end zone. Long way to go to sit in the endzone up high. If by any chance anyone out there has any connections or thoughts, please share.

I realize this is off topic and if any single person would like for me to take it down, I will definitely do so. Also happy to take it offline if anyone has any idea to share. Thanks!
I'd suggest to reach out on twitter to @ ian693 Big E. (NOT ME) I've seen him do similar things. He's the Dolphins fan of the year from 2020, has a pretty wide reach and is a generally nice guy.
 
The gas mask bong hit picture that changed a franchise.
absolutely correct. Did you hear Grier talk about him in his presser the other day? Grier has been effusive every time he's talked about Tunsil... portion of the transcript below.

“Well, I always go back to – Laremy (Tunsil) is a very good player and he and I still, we’ll text every once in a while and I’ll joke with him and guys will tell me like, ‘Laremy is like, bring me back.’ (laughter) Just joking in the offseason about stuff.
 
Chubb signed to a 5yr 119M deal... Grier hinted at it.
2023 and 2024 will have cap challenges. Gesicki will be gone, maybe Wilkins gets the franchise tag, but cost of DL tag is more than TE tag. Hmm. We need cheap rookies and UDFAs to play well in 2023 & 2024. And of course we're all in on Tua, although Skylar under pressure in his 24 snaps in the MIN game showed more than Tua has under pressure. Cedric and a few others could be post June cuts in 2023.
 
Really hate to let 88 go. I think he is a unique talent at TE. Blocking is a liability but if used to his strengths he could be Jimmy Graham from his New Orleans days.
 
Really hate to let 88 go. I think he is a unique talent at TE. Blocking is a liability but if used to his strengths he could be Jimmy Graham from his New Orleans days.
they didn't shop him, only Chase and Cedrick. Valued him high enough that Minn balked at the asking when they called.

His usage blocking is nuanced in the run game.. the threat of having to account for Gesicki Hill and Waddle opens lanes. Brings me to thread I wanted to share.


Chris Kouffman twitter thread.

@ckparrot
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Miami's run game is deceptively efficient, despite a headline number of only 4.1 yards per carry (725 yards on 178 carries). You have to account for the different personnel groupings and what they tell you about what the play is intending to accomplish, situationally.

I have Miami at 273 yards on 54 carries out of 11-personnel, and 386 yards on 82 carries out of 21-personnel. Those work out to 5.1 yards per carry and 4.7 yards per carry, respectively. These two personnel groupings represent the bulk of their offense.

The drawbacks have been 12-personnel running, which they don't try much anymore, and 22-personnel (heavy, short yardage) running. The former has gained them only 59 yards on 27 carries (2.2 yards per carry). Latter has gained them only 7 yards on 15 carries (0.5 yards per carry).

We want to blame 2-TE running failure on Mike Gesicki, but it's not that easy. They've gained 4.9 and 4.4 YPC out of 11-personnel and 21-personnel, respectively, with Gesicki as lone TE. They're averaging only 1.3 YPC out of 2-TE with Gesicki not even on field to blame for it.
 
Nearly every non Fins fan I am seeing on socials is calling the Chubb contract an overpay. I honestly have not seen enough of him to draw any educated conclusions but the sack numbers are not impressive enough to justify that deal. He may be awesome at other things - run game support, pressure, coverage? Anyone who knows more than me have any thoughts on it?
 
The cap is what it is. The good news in that regard (even though we kind of don't like him being so dumb) is that Ross has all that NY real estate money to burn if need be.

Reading the tea leaves here, I believe Tua will get an extension that likely navigates the cap issues we will have early on (Wilkins as well), and Miami has been good at managing the cap to give us some "outs" if we need to blow things up in 3 years after our window closes. I'd say Jones is likely gone next year and we go young on the DB and let Surtain and Madison do their work.

Miami is building a different defense now and for the future. X is a solid player and citizen, and either they'll build around him as the "shutdown guy" and run coverage at everyone else, or they trade him in the offseason and go to a full zone kind of 4-3 / 3-4 style team.

Can't see Miami spending anywhere other than low price guys in the offseason and the scouting department is going to have to keep finding UDFA gems to keep this team afloat on the back quarter of the roster. Last thing I'll throw out there is if Waddle's camp starts making noise about an extension Miami will have a decision to lock him up and create another back heavy low initial cap deal for him or likely trade him for a Hill level ransom if they need the picks bc this didn't work.
 
Chubb signed to a 5yr 119M deal... Grier hinted at it.
2023 and 2024 will have cap challenges. Gesicki will be gone, maybe Wilkins gets the franchise tag, but cost of DL tag is more than TE tag. Hmm. We need cheap rookies and UDFAs to play well in 2023 & 2024. And of course we're all in on Tua, although Skylar under pressure in his 24 snaps in the MIN game showed more than Tua has under pressure. Cedric and a few others could be post June cuts in 2023.
Christian Wilkins would fetch what in terms of draft picks in the off season? He had his 5th year option picked up, think of what we just traded for Chubb to have right now this season.
I understand he's excellent but sacrifices will have to be made in order to have Tyreek Hill and Waddle on the roster.

Tua can be extended as early as May and you know Ross is ready to back the Brinks Truck up for him
 
Byron seems like someone who does not want to play football. He had his procedure in March. He was supposed to suit up week 1. Feels like Will Fuller part 2. I am fine with him being gone. Lets get some peeps on the field who want to be there.

Unless I am missing something, in which case I take it all back.
 
Cedric and a few others could be post June cuts in 2023.
Byron could very well be included if he doesn't suit up this year.
The issue is it costs as much or more to release them in terms of dead cap hit. Unfortunately, most of Miami's higher priced players will have dead cap hits that make it suicide to release or cut them, that's simply the facts on Spotrac

$11M UTC as they sit currently for next year, not sure what Chubb does to all that.
 
Nearly every non Fins fan I am seeing on socials is calling the Chubb contract an overpay. I honestly have not seen enough of him to draw any educated conclusions but the sack numbers are not impressive enough to justify that deal. He may be awesome at other things - run game support, pressure, coverage? Anyone who knows more than me have any thoughts on it?
It's pricey, but much like the Hill signing, it looks pricey at the beginning of the market, but the market is going to continue to evolve. Hill's cost was high until all those other WRs signed their deals, and hill looks like a "slight" bargain now compared to what signed behind him. I think Chubb will be the same. Really everyone outside the organization is lamenting the deal bc of his injury history. Kind of like the deal we made with X Howard.
 
Byron seems like someone who does not want to play football. He had his procedure in March. He was supposed to suit up week 1. Feels like Will Fuller part 2. I am fine with him being gone. Lets get some peeps on the field who want to be there.

Unless I am missing something, in which case I take it all back.
5yr/$82M, $54M guaranteed and Miami set the market with this one

$14M if he plays in '23 and $14M in dead cap if they cut him
He's not going anywhere unfortunately
 
Chubb signed to a 5yr 119M deal... Grier hinted at it.
2023 and 2024 will have cap challenges. Gesicki will be gone, maybe Wilkins gets the franchise tag, but cost of DL tag is more than TE tag. Hmm. We need cheap rookies and UDFAs to play well in 2023 & 2024. And of course we're all in on Tua, although Skylar under pressure in his 24 snaps in the MIN game showed more than Tua has under pressure. Cedric and a few others could be post June cuts in 2023.
Christian Wilkins would fetch what in terms of draft picks in the off season? He had his 5th year option picked up, think of what we just traded for Chubb to have right now this season.
I understand he's excellent but sacrifices will have to be made in order to have Tyreek Hill and Waddle on the roster.

Tua can be extended as early as May and you know Ross is ready to back the Brinks Truck up for him
I don't think Miami uses the franchise tag for a few years bc of their cap issues. That being said, Tua and Wilkins don't seem like "Greed" players so they may be willing to take "cap friendly" contracts to keep this team afloat. With that said, Wilkins is likely the third or 4th best DT in the game at the moment so someone will give us some picks if we have to go that route.
 
Byron seems like someone who does not want to play football. He had his procedure in March. He was supposed to suit up week 1. Feels like Will Fuller part 2. I am fine with him being gone. Lets get some peeps on the field who want to be there.

Unless I am missing something, in which case I take it all back.
5yr/$82M, $54M guaranteed and Miami set the market with this one

$14M if he plays in '23 and $14M in dead cap if they cut him
He's not going anywhere unfortunately
ok, so he stays. Hopefully he gets healthy. This means that X likely gets a restructure or Miami trades him. Phillips is still on his rookie deal. RB and TE likely will be "on the cheap" as will any linebacker not named baker. Also means that O line will have to have draft picks manning them bc we are not going to likely be able to afford second contracts on most of the guys we picked (not that that was likely anyway)
 
Chubb's Injuries, notice what happened in September of last year over an ankle tweak, he missed 8 games

Injury History​

DateLeagueInjuryDetails
Oct 14, 2017Non-NFLHand Finger DislocationChubb dislocated his left pinkie against Pittsburgh but was able to return to the game.
Sep 29, 2019NFLKnee ACL Tear Grade 3Chubb suffered the left knee injury during the Week 4 loss to the Jaguars and he was out for the remainder of the season
Dec 19, 2020NFLPedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2Chubb missed the last two games of the 2020 season with a left ankle injury that required offseason surgery which kept him sidelined for much of the offseason program.
Sep 2, 2021NFLPedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2Chubb tweaked his right ankle during training camp. He missed the Week 1 matchup against the Giants.
Sep 19, 2021NFLPedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2Chubb aggravated his ankle in Week 2's victory over the Jaguars. He was placed on IR and missed 8 games.
Dec 5, 2021NFLShoulderChubb suffered a shoulder injury in Week 13’ game against the Kansas City Chiefs. He was good for the next game.
 
Chubb has been good this year as a pass rusher. It should help the other pass rushers become even better, especially Phillips. A grade near 80 for the year represents a good score, plus he's been at 90+ in 2 games for pass rushing.

>>Chubb has tallied six sacks, five hits and 15 quarterback hurries from 222 pass-rush snaps this season, and he has earned a pass-rush grade above 90.0 in two games this year.

Miami’s current crop of edge defenders has six sacks combined over the last eight weeks, four of which have come from Phillips. Emmanuel Ogbah is on track to record his worst pass-rushing grade since 2018 and has managed just 14 pressures from 199 pass-rush snaps so far, while veteran addition Melvin Ingram III has played about 50% of the team's snaps.<<

 
Chubb has been good this year as a pass rusher. It should help the other pass rushers become even better, especially Phillips. A grade near 80 for the year represents a good score, plus he's been at 90+ in 2 games for pass rushing.

>>Chubb has tallied six sacks, five hits and 15 quarterback hurries from 222 pass-rush snaps this season, and he has earned a pass-rush grade above 90.0 in two games this year.

Miami’s current crop of edge defenders has six sacks combined over the last eight weeks, four of which have come from Phillips. Emmanuel Ogbah is on track to record his worst pass-rushing grade since 2018 and has managed just 14 pressures from 199 pass-rush snaps so far, while veteran addition Melvin Ingram III has played about 50% of the team's snaps.<<

Stuck with Ogbah thru next season


I hope he finds his former self, 18 sacks over '20 and '21, not sure what has happened.
 
Tua needs to show more, especially in big games, and under pressure, to be extended. And he needs to avoid injury. He's not there yet, but he's moving in the right direction.
 
Tua needs to show more, especially in big games, and under pressure, to be extended. And he needs to avoid injury. He's not there yet, but he's moving in the right direction.

Here is what Colin Cowherd said




He likes to take credit and bash them simultaneously but listen to his projections of Miami visiting Buffalo in 7 degree weather, sounds like someone in here.
I know it's click bait but listen to that 4 minute video, that's the media view of us.
 
Cedric and a few others could be post June cuts in 2023.
Byron could very well be included if he doesn't suit up this year.
The issue is it costs as much or more to release them in terms of dead cap hit. Unfortunately, most of Miami's higher priced players will have dead cap hits that make it suicide to release or cut them, that's simply the facts on Spotrac

$11M UTC as they sit currently for next year, not sure what Chubb does to all that.
Unless I'm missing something it looks to me like a post June 1 2023 cut saves a bunch of cap.
 
Cedric and a few others could be post June cuts in 2023.
Byron could very well be included if he doesn't suit up this year.
The issue is it costs as much or more to release them in terms of dead cap hit. Unfortunately, most of Miami's higher priced players will have dead cap hits that make it suicide to release or cut them, that's simply the facts on Spotrac

$11M UTC as they sit currently for next year, not sure what Chubb does to all that.
Unless I'm missing something it looks to me like a post June 1 2023 cut saves a bunch of cap.
Spotrac might not be accurate, I like the site you link

If I am reading this right, Jones is set to make $18M-$19M, they cut him and it's over $14M in dead cap hit so that part is true.
You save $4M but you are still out $14M for nothing, he's not total garbage but he's not worth the price and he's 31 yrs old or will be next year.

Edited to add, OK now I got it set Post June 1st 2023 and I see what you see, they would or could save some money, of course free agency will be over by that point, but I see where you are coming from
 
Chicago 1:00 Sunday, Bears are 3-5, just sent Smith on his way to the Ravens, might be their best LB but then they traded for Claypool and that will help Fields over time.

-Miami is the better team, not going to argue about it.
-Miami has some flaws especially in their secondary and defensively, they need to tighten up in order to come out with a Win.
-I think the game will be a lot closer than some think, I'll take any victory even on the leg of Sanders because it might come down to that.

I hope Miami has an easy victory, elevates to 6-3 and are only being discussed with Buffalo and KC in the AFC but fantasy and reality collide on Sunday, road victories are hard to come by, look around the NFL every Sunday, things don't always go as planned. Keep an open mind and understand the Miami Dolphins are still improving, they are not a polished product yet. There's going to be some bad plays, there's going to be some ugly play but that doesn't mean they can't improve each week while still notching victories.

I would like to see the running game improve and become reliable when we need that aspect of our offense during the game.
Let's focus some on Sunday, what you all got as an outcome? I don't care about style points right now, we just need wins before we travel out to California for 2 weeks.
 
I don't care about style points right now, we just need win

We've seen this team get built up from time to time only to crush us later. Miami has historically had issues with running QBs and Fields is figuring some things out. o/u 45.5 and I'm not touching it.

I just want to get the W and GTFO dodge.

Looks like a beautiful day in Chicago Sunday, which is a lucky break for a November game. 65 degree highs with 16MPH winds, no rain.
Miami 23-22 and it might come down to a late kick Chicago +5 and 45/u
 
I don't care about style points right now, we just need win

We've seen this team get built up from time to time only to crush us later. Miami has historically had issues with running QBs and Fields is figuring some things out. o/u 45.5 and I'm not touching it.

I just want to get the W and GTFO dodge.

Looks like a beautiful day in Chicago Sunday, which is a lucky break for a November game. 65 degree highs with 16MPH winds, no rain.
Miami 23-22 and it might come down to a late kick Chicago +5 and 45/u
You're giving this Bears D too much credit.

They can't stop anyone.
 
I don't care about style points right now, we just need win

We've seen this team get built up from time to time only to crush us later. Miami has historically had issues with running QBs and Fields is figuring some things out. o/u 45.5 and I'm not touching it.

I just want to get the W and GTFO dodge.

Looks like a beautiful day in Chicago Sunday, which is a lucky break for a November game. 65 degree highs with 16MPH winds, no rain.
Miami 23-22 and it might come down to a late kick Chicago +5 and 45/u
You're giving this Bears D too much credit.

They can't stop anyone.
Have you watched many Dolphins' games?
We were so bad we had a to burn a 1st and a 3rd to get a Chubb
 

talked about how the dolphins are killing teams with this one simple concept on today's
@PFF_IJF
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MoP loved this, breaks down all the pre snap motion, going from TE-WR-WR(trips) on one side and then shifting it all to the other and then the triangle as he explained it with seam route, wheel route and it's delightful to hear we are running a professional offense.

I can't wait to see Jeff Wilson as the 2nd RB in this offense, it's going to take us up a notch to have very little drop off when he is in there giving Mostert some rest

If you root for Miami or even if you don't, terrific video breaking it down old school, you should watch it.
 
Kion Smith pulled up which means they’re keeping an eye on Armstead’s new Achilles Issue
No McKinley
Eric Rowe gets the start

Armstead looking Doubtful now or maybe won't be able to play entire game if at all.

Feels like Miami is not taking the Bears as seriously as I am, hope they don't start overlooking teams. They can have confidence though.
 

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