2025 Philadelphia Eagles - LB in the first round??? (7 Viewers)

[Bigboy10182000]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Out of Milt and Jordan Davis...which one would get more on the open market? I feel like the Eagles would be interested in paying Milt or JD....not both.

Milt would most likely get more unless Jordan Davis starts getting to the QB more. What makes this doable is that the cap is set to make big leaps and we have a ton of dead money over the next few years.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Out of Milt and Jordan Davis...which one would get more on the open market? I feel like the Eagles would be interested in paying Milt or JD....not both.

Milton Williams will be getting a Javon Hargrave contract ($21M APY). Jordan Davis, unless he has a breakout year, won't even sniff that.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

Haha dude! Would love to grab beers with you at the next parade, always enjoy your posts and insight.

I basically have Baun and Milton tied, maybe 51/49 Baun b/c mainly he IS 1st Team All Pro and we have literally no one to replace him, while Milton, we have guys in the pipeline (it would still be a drop off) and the draft is strong at the position. + How the team values the interior pass rush. I really think we get both back though. 1. He wants to be back, just wants to be paid. 2. Howie boy. 3 Vic Boy, wanted to trade for him last year. 4. it just sends the message to the team A. We will pay you when you perform and B. Lets keep the band together to keep this going.

I can't believe the Combine and free agency are like right around the corner this is insane

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Lowest blitz rate in a playoff game — #NFL since 2017

2024 #Eagles — 0% (Super Bowl LIX vs. #Chiefs)

2024 Eagles — 6% (Wild Card vs. #Packers)

This approach seems to be a staple of the Fangio system which is why I started leaning to them keeping him, as well as the rising cap.

I'm not saying Milton Williams isn't good, but you don't pay a DT $30M (I just checked, Christian Wilkins got $27.5M last season so with a cap increase, Williams is probably looking at $30M) unless he is driving the play. He's not, Jalen Carter is. Williams to his credit took advantage of Carter getting double teamed, but you can get Williams production at a much lower cost. If I'm dropping $25-30M on a player, I'm doing it for Zach Baun, he much harder to replace, especially since Nakobe Dean is probably going to miss most of next season.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

Haha dude! Would love to grab beers with you at the next parade, always enjoy your posts and insight.

I basically have Baun and Milton tied, maybe 51/49 Baun b/c mainly he IS 1st Team All Pro and we have literally no one to replace him, while Milton, we have guys in the pipeline (it would still be a drop off) and the draft is strong at the position. + How the team values the interior pass rush. I really think we get both back though. 1. He wants to be back, just wants to be paid. 2. Howie boy. 3 Vic Boy, wanted to trade for him last year. 4. it just sends the message to the team A. We will pay you when you perform and B. Lets keep the band together to keep this going.

I can't believe the Combine and free agency are like right around the corner this is insane

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Lowest blitz rate in a playoff game — #NFL since 2017

2024 #Eagles — 0% (Super Bowl LIX vs. #Chiefs)

2024 Eagles — 6% (Wild Card vs. #Packers)

This approach seems to be a staple of the Fangio system which is why I started leaning to them keeping him, as well as the rising cap.

I'm not saying Milton Williams isn't good, but you don't pay a DT $30M (I just checked, Christian Wilkins got $27.5M last season so with a cap increase, Williams is probably looking at $30M) unless he is driving the play. He's not, Jalen Carter is. Williams to his credit took advantage of Carter getting double teamed, but you can get Williams production at a much lower cost. If I'm dropping $25-30M on a player, I'm doing it for Zach Baun, he much harder to replace, especially since Nakobe Dean is probably going to miss most of next season.

Exactly this. Milt is a very good player, but he won’t be the same player playing next to anyone besides Carter. Ojomo and Booker can fill in, along with an early draft pick.

Baun, especially with Nakobe out (and injured every year), is pivotal to making this D click.

 

[DJackson10]

"Mekhi Becton found a home in Philadelphia, and he chose to go to Philadelphia in large part because he believed that Jeff Stoutland would help rebuild his career, and that's exactly what happened. Now, he can go out and seek greener pastures elsewhere, or he and the Eagles could work out a fair deal where he could continue to thrive. So, I think Mekhi Becton is going to be inclined to stay"

- @AdamSchefter

(via Kincade & Salciunas)

“Now, could there be a team out there that throws silly money at him and makes it a moot point - absolutely that's what free agency is about. But I think he's smart enough after what he went through in New York, and what he went through in Philadelphia this year, to recognize, 'You know what, this is pretty good. I'm in a great spot, with a great line, and a great coach, let's continue this. I might not get quite as much as l might in another city, but it's going to be more valuable and beneficial for me to be here.' So, I think there's a real chance that he winds up staying."

- @AdamSchefter

(via Kincade & Salciunas)

 

[Terpman22]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Out of Milt and Jordan Davis...which one would get more on the open market? I feel like the Eagles would be interested in paying Milt or JD....not both.

The guy that can get you 5+ sacks from the DT position is definitely more valuable than the guy clogging run lanes - which Jordan Davis is very good.

 

[Terpman22]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

Haha dude! Would love to grab beers with you at the next parade, always enjoy your posts and insight.

I basically have Baun and Milton tied, maybe 51/49 Baun b/c mainly he IS 1st Team All Pro and we have literally no one to replace him, while Milton, we have guys in the pipeline (it would still be a drop off) and the draft is strong at the position. + How the team values the interior pass rush. I really think we get both back though. 1. He wants to be back, just wants to be paid. 2. Howie boy. 3 Vic Boy, wanted to trade for him last year. 4. it just sends the message to the team A. We will pay you when you perform and B. Lets keep the band together to keep this going.

I can't believe the Combine and free agency are like right around the corner this is insane

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Lowest blitz rate in a playoff game — #NFL since 2017

2024 #Eagles — 0% (Super Bowl LIX vs. #Chiefs)

2024 Eagles — 6% (Wild Card vs. #Packers)

This approach seems to be a staple of the Fangio system which is why I started leaning to them keeping him, as well as the rising cap.

I'm not saying Milton Williams isn't good, but you don't pay a DT $30M (I just checked, Christian Wilkins got $27.5M last season so with a cap increase, Williams is probably looking at $30M) unless he is driving the play. He's not, Jalen Carter is. Williams to his credit took advantage of Carter getting double teamed, but you can get Williams production at a much lower cost. If I'm dropping $25-30M on a player, I'm doing it for Zach Baun, he much harder to replace, especially since Nakobe Dean is probably going to miss most of next season.

I'm not saying Milton Williams is a bad player, but he and Christian Wilkins are not in the same STRATOSPHERE as player. Wilkins had 9 sacks a season ago.

Milton will settle around the deal slightly under what Alim McNeil got.

 

[Insein]

I do think it's a cautionary tale for players to see the Reddick and Sweat situations play out. Reddick forced his way to another team, couldn't get a deal done and ultimately cost himself a new deal and tens of millions. Had he just played out his contract with the Eagles, he's have made $16m this year, won the super bowl and now be the top Free Agent. Sweat is now in that position and will get more money than Reddick.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

Haha dude! Would love to grab beers with you at the next parade, always enjoy your posts and insight.

I basically have Baun and Milton tied, maybe 51/49 Baun b/c mainly he IS 1st Team All Pro and we have literally no one to replace him, while Milton, we have guys in the pipeline (it would still be a drop off) and the draft is strong at the position. + How the team values the interior pass rush. I really think we get both back though. 1. He wants to be back, just wants to be paid. 2. Howie boy. 3 Vic Boy, wanted to trade for him last year. 4. it just sends the message to the team A. We will pay you when you perform and B. Lets keep the band together to keep this going.

I can't believe the Combine and free agency are like right around the corner this is insane

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Lowest blitz rate in a playoff game — #NFL since 2017

2024 #Eagles — 0% (Super Bowl LIX vs. #Chiefs)

2024 Eagles — 6% (Wild Card vs. #Packers)

This approach seems to be a staple of the Fangio system which is why I started leaning to them keeping him, as well as the rising cap.

I'm not saying Milton Williams isn't good, but you don't pay a DT $30M (I just checked, Christian Wilkins got $27.5M last season so with a cap increase, Williams is probably looking at $30M) unless he is driving the play. He's not, Jalen Carter is. Williams to his credit took advantage of Carter getting double teamed, but you can get Williams production at a much lower cost. If I'm dropping $25-30M on a player, I'm doing it for Zach Baun, he much harder to replace, especially since Nakobe Dean is probably going to miss most of next season.

I'm not saying Milton Williams is a bad player, but he and Christian Wilkins are not in the same STRATOSPHERE as player. Wilkins had 9 sacks a season ago.

Milton will settle around the deal slightly under what Alim McNeil got.

Scratches head, McNeil only got $13M less in total money than Wilkins and is the 4th highest paid DT in the league.

But McNeil is actually a good comp for Williams. But you have to factor in McNeil signed his contract in-season, I don't expect Williams to sign for less than McNeil especially since Williams will have multiple teams bidding on him and the cap went up more than expected. Also, McNeil's cap hit goes to $28M in 2026, that type of cap hit is a hard pass for me. I'm reserving that type of cap hit for the best of the best players at their positions (Jalen Carter, Chris Jones, etc).

 

[Snotbubbles]

I do think it's a cautionary tale for players to see the Reddick and Sweat situations play out. Reddick forced his way to another team, couldn't get a deal done and ultimately cost himself a new deal and tens of millions. Had he just played out his contract with the Eagles, he's have made $16m this year, won the super bowl and now be the top Free Agent. Sweat is now in that position and will get more money than Reddick.

Maybe we should look to sign Reddick on the cheap then.

 

[Terpman22]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

Haha dude! Would love to grab beers with you at the next parade, always enjoy your posts and insight.

I basically have Baun and Milton tied, maybe 51/49 Baun b/c mainly he IS 1st Team All Pro and we have literally no one to replace him, while Milton, we have guys in the pipeline (it would still be a drop off) and the draft is strong at the position. + How the team values the interior pass rush. I really think we get both back though. 1. He wants to be back, just wants to be paid. 2. Howie boy. 3 Vic Boy, wanted to trade for him last year. 4. it just sends the message to the team A. We will pay you when you perform and B. Lets keep the band together to keep this going.

I can't believe the Combine and free agency are like right around the corner this is insane

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Lowest blitz rate in a playoff game — #NFL since 2017

2024 #Eagles — 0% (Super Bowl LIX vs. #Chiefs)

2024 Eagles — 6% (Wild Card vs. #Packers)

This approach seems to be a staple of the Fangio system which is why I started leaning to them keeping him, as well as the rising cap.

I'm not saying Milton Williams isn't good, but you don't pay a DT $30M (I just checked, Christian Wilkins got $27.5M last season so with a cap increase, Williams is probably looking at $30M) unless he is driving the play. He's not, Jalen Carter is. Williams to his credit took advantage of Carter getting double teamed, but you can get Williams production at a much lower cost. If I'm dropping $25-30M on a player, I'm doing it for Zach Baun, he much harder to replace, especially since Nakobe Dean is probably going to miss most of next season.

I'm not saying Milton Williams is a bad player, but he and Christian Wilkins are not in the same STRATOSPHERE as player. Wilkins had 9 sacks a season ago.

Milton will settle around the deal slightly under what Alim McNeil got.

Scratches head, McNeil only got $13M less in total money than Wilkins and is the 4th highest paid DT in the league.

But McNeil is actually a good comp for Williams. But you have to factor in McNeil signed his contract in-season, I don't expect Williams to sign for less than McNeil especially since Williams will have multiple teams bidding on him and the cap went up more than expected. Also, McNeil's cap hit goes to $28M in 2026, that type of cap hit is a hard pass for me. I'm reserving that type of cap hit for the best of the best players at their positions (Jalen Carter, Chris Jones, etc).

I'm just saying DT isn't like QB where "next man up" automatically goes over the current highest guy. But yeah, its all very close too. And I think its a guy you pay.

 

[Terpman22]

Cam Jurgens underwent back surgery this AM to alleviate some nerve issues. Saying he should be back in July 100%.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

"Mekhi Becton found a home in Philadelphia, and he chose to go to Philadelphia in large part because he believed that Jeff Stoutland would help rebuild his career, and that's exactly what happened. Now, he can go out and seek greener pastures elsewhere, or he and the Eagles could work out a fair deal where he could continue to thrive. So, I think Mekhi Becton is going to be inclined to stay"

- @AdamSchefter

(via Kincade & Salciunas)

“Now, could there be a team out there that throws silly money at him and makes it a moot point - absolutely that's what free agency is about. But I think he's smart enough after what he went through in New York, and what he went through in Philadelphia this year, to recognize, 'You know what, this is pretty good. I'm in a great spot, with a great line, and a great coach, let's continue this. I might not get quite as much as l might in another city, but it's going to be more valuable and beneficial for me to be here.' So, I think there's a real chance that he winds up staying."

- @AdamSchefter

(via Kincade & Salciunas)

Becton should stay, and I hope Howie finds a way to make it happen. Tyler Steen is not ready to take over at RG, and may never be.

 

[JAA]

Already on 3 pages? FFS!

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

Haha dude! Would love to grab beers with you at the next parade, always enjoy your posts and insight.

I basically have Baun and Milton tied, maybe 51/49 Baun b/c mainly he IS 1st Team All Pro and we have literally no one to replace him, while Milton, we have guys in the pipeline (it would still be a drop off) and the draft is strong at the position. + How the team values the interior pass rush. I really think we get both back though. 1. He wants to be back, just wants to be paid. 2. Howie boy. 3 Vic Boy, wanted to trade for him last year. 4. it just sends the message to the team A. We will pay you when you perform and B. Lets keep the band together to keep this going.

I can't believe the Combine and free agency are like right around the corner this is insane

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Lowest blitz rate in a playoff game — #NFL since 2017

2024 #Eagles — 0% (Super Bowl LIX vs. #Chiefs)

2024 Eagles — 6% (Wild Card vs. #Packers)

This approach seems to be a staple of the Fangio system which is why I started leaning to them keeping him, as well as the rising cap.

I'm not saying Milton Williams isn't good, but you don't pay a DT $30M (I just checked, Christian Wilkins got $27.5M last season so with a cap increase, Williams is probably looking at $30M) unless he is driving the play. He's not, Jalen Carter is. Williams to his credit took advantage of Carter getting double teamed, but you can get Williams production at a much lower cost. If I'm dropping $25-30M on a player, I'm doing it for Zach Baun, he much harder to replace, especially since Nakobe Dean is probably going to miss most of next season.

I'm not saying Milton Williams is a bad player, but he and Christian Wilkins are not in the same STRATOSPHERE as player. Wilkins had 9 sacks a season ago.

Milton will settle around the deal slightly under what Alim McNeil got.

Scratches head, McNeil only got $13M less in total money than Wilkins and is the 4th highest paid DT in the league.

But McNeil is actually a good comp for Williams. But you have to factor in McNeil signed his contract in-season, I don't expect Williams to sign for less than McNeil especially since Williams will have multiple teams bidding on him and the cap went up more than expected. Also, McNeil's cap hit goes to $28M in 2026, that type of cap hit is a hard pass for me. I'm reserving that type of cap hit for the best of the best players at their positions (Jalen Carter, Chris Jones, etc).

I'm just saying DT isn't like QB where "next man up" automatically goes over the current highest guy. But yeah, its all very close too. And I think its a guy you pay.

I hate to let Williams go, but it's fair to wonder how much of his impact is enhanced by the presence of Carter. With several tough payroll choices, I think it's a solid strategy to dip into this loaded DL class and find a stud who can be the next Milton Williams. Maybe there's a young DT about to hit the market whose career hasn't quite panned out, and is looking to "pull a Becton" by rebuilding himself in Fangio's system.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

Haha dude! Would love to grab beers with you at the next parade, always enjoy your posts and insight.

I basically have Baun and Milton tied, maybe 51/49 Baun b/c mainly he IS 1st Team All Pro and we have literally no one to replace him, while Milton, we have guys in the pipeline (it would still be a drop off) and the draft is strong at the position. + How the team values the interior pass rush. I really think we get both back though. 1. He wants to be back, just wants to be paid. 2. Howie boy. 3 Vic Boy, wanted to trade for him last year. 4. it just sends the message to the team A. We will pay you when you perform and B. Lets keep the band together to keep this going.

I can't believe the Combine and free agency are like right around the corner this is insane

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Lowest blitz rate in a playoff game — #NFL since 2017

2024 #Eagles — 0% (Super Bowl LIX vs. #Chiefs)

2024 Eagles — 6% (Wild Card vs. #Packers)

This approach seems to be a staple of the Fangio system which is why I started leaning to them keeping him, as well as the rising cap.

I'm not saying Milton Williams isn't good, but you don't pay a DT $30M (I just checked, Christian Wilkins got $27.5M last season so with a cap increase, Williams is probably looking at $30M) unless he is driving the play. He's not, Jalen Carter is. Williams to his credit took advantage of Carter getting double teamed, but you can get Williams production at a much lower cost. If I'm dropping $25-30M on a player, I'm doing it for Zach Baun, he much harder to replace, especially since Nakobe Dean is probably going to miss most of next season.

I'm not saying Milton Williams is a bad player, but he and Christian Wilkins are not in the same STRATOSPHERE as player. Wilkins had 9 sacks a season ago.

Milton will settle around the deal slightly under what Alim McNeil got.

Scratches head, McNeil only got $13M less in total money than Wilkins and is the 4th highest paid DT in the league.

But McNeil is actually a good comp for Williams. But you have to factor in McNeil signed his contract in-season, I don't expect Williams to sign for less than McNeil especially since Williams will have multiple teams bidding on him and the cap went up more than expected. Also, McNeil's cap hit goes to $28M in 2026, that type of cap hit is a hard pass for me. I'm reserving that type of cap hit for the best of the best players at their positions (Jalen Carter, Chris Jones, etc).

I'm just saying DT isn't like QB where "next man up" automatically goes over the current highest guy. But yeah, its all very close too. And I think its a guy you pay.

I hate to let Williams go, but it's fair to wonder how much of his impact is enhanced by the presence of Carter. With several tough payroll choices, I think it's a solid strategy to dip into this loaded DL class and find a stud who can be the next Milton Williams. Maybe there's a young DT about to hit the market whose career hasn't quite panned out, and is looking to "pull a Becton" by rebuilding himself in Fangio's system.

This.

We need to keep our DL powder dry for next year’s Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith extensions. I hate to see Williams go, but for the money he’ll likely get, I’ll take the compensatory 3rd and look to backfill him with either a high draft pick or a veteran on a prove it deal - have to believe we’re looked at as a destination for FAs so maybe we get someone decent on a discount.

 

[Terpman22]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

Haha dude! Would love to grab beers with you at the next parade, always enjoy your posts and insight.

I basically have Baun and Milton tied, maybe 51/49 Baun b/c mainly he IS 1st Team All Pro and we have literally no one to replace him, while Milton, we have guys in the pipeline (it would still be a drop off) and the draft is strong at the position. + How the team values the interior pass rush. I really think we get both back though. 1. He wants to be back, just wants to be paid. 2. Howie boy. 3 Vic Boy, wanted to trade for him last year. 4. it just sends the message to the team A. We will pay you when you perform and B. Lets keep the band together to keep this going.

I can't believe the Combine and free agency are like right around the corner this is insane

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Lowest blitz rate in a playoff game — #NFL since 2017

2024 #Eagles — 0% (Super Bowl LIX vs. #Chiefs)

2024 Eagles — 6% (Wild Card vs. #Packers)

This approach seems to be a staple of the Fangio system which is why I started leaning to them keeping him, as well as the rising cap.

I'm not saying Milton Williams isn't good, but you don't pay a DT $30M (I just checked, Christian Wilkins got $27.5M last season so with a cap increase, Williams is probably looking at $30M) unless he is driving the play. He's not, Jalen Carter is. Williams to his credit took advantage of Carter getting double teamed, but you can get Williams production at a much lower cost. If I'm dropping $25-30M on a player, I'm doing it for Zach Baun, he much harder to replace, especially since Nakobe Dean is probably going to miss most of next season.

I'm not saying Milton Williams is a bad player, but he and Christian Wilkins are not in the same STRATOSPHERE as player. Wilkins had 9 sacks a season ago.

Milton will settle around the deal slightly under what Alim McNeil got.

Scratches head, McNeil only got $13M less in total money than Wilkins and is the 4th highest paid DT in the league.

But McNeil is actually a good comp for Williams. But you have to factor in McNeil signed his contract in-season, I don't expect Williams to sign for less than McNeil especially since Williams will have multiple teams bidding on him and the cap went up more than expected. Also, McNeil's cap hit goes to $28M in 2026, that type of cap hit is a hard pass for me. I'm reserving that type of cap hit for the best of the best players at their positions (Jalen Carter, Chris Jones, etc).

I'm just saying DT isn't like QB where "next man up" automatically goes over the current highest guy. But yeah, its all very close too. And I think its a guy you pay.

I hate to let Williams go, but it's fair to wonder how much of his impact is enhanced by the presence of Carter. With several tough payroll choices, I think it's a solid strategy to dip into this loaded DL class and find a stud who can be the next Milton Williams. Maybe there's a young DT about to hit the market whose career hasn't quite panned out, and is looking to "pull a Becton" by rebuilding himself in Fangio's system.

This.

We need to keep our DL powder dry for next year’s Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith extensions. I hate to see Williams go, but for the money he’ll likely get, I’ll take the compensatory 3rd and look to backfill him with either a high draft pick or a veteran on a prove it deal - have to believe we’re looked at as a destination for FAs so maybe we get someone decent on a discount.

I'm on the other side, obviously. Sure, any DT lined up next to Carter is going to be a force to reckon with, but I just can't on board saying it would not be a drop off with a rookie or Ojomo filling in. This guy had a FREAKY combine, pulling online its like 34-36 reps with a sub 4.7 40.

Guys like this don't grow on trees every year, even in loaded DT classes (and if there is one I don't think he is making it to 32)

 

[DJackson10]

I do think it's a cautionary tale for players to see the Reddick and Sweat situations play out. Reddick forced his way to another team, couldn't get a deal done and ultimately cost himself a new deal and tens of millions. Had he just played out his contract with the Eagles, he's have made $16m this year, won the super bowl and now be the top Free Agent. Sweat is now in that position and will get more money than Reddick.

Maybe we should look to sign Reddick on the cheap then.

Reddick was one of the guys they wanted to rinse their hands of. He dogged it most of last season after complaining about desia.

 

[DJackson10]

There’s a lot of Talk that Becton might be staying in Philly after all. We’ll see what happens.

On the other front there’s talk that LAC might cut Joey Bosa as a cap casualità and Crosby could be traded if not extended in Vegas

 

[Snotbubbles]

I do think it's a cautionary tale for players to see the Reddick and Sweat situations play out. Reddick forced his way to another team, couldn't get a deal done and ultimately cost himself a new deal and tens of millions. Had he just played out his contract with the Eagles, he's have made $16m this year, won the super bowl and now be the top Free Agent. Sweat is now in that position and will get more money than Reddick.

Maybe we should look to sign Reddick on the cheap then.

Reddick was one of the guys they wanted to rinse their hands of. He dogged it most of last season after complaining about desia.

Yeah and the other guy was Sweat, how'd that work out?

 

[Snotbubbles]

There’s a lot of Talk that Becton might be staying in Philly after all. We’ll see what happens.

On the other front there’s talk that LAC might cut Joey Bosa as a cap casualità and Crosby could be traded if not extended in Vegas

Just go get Myles Garrett if you're going to go the vet route.

 

[Insein]

There’s a lot of Talk that Becton might be staying in Philly after all. We’ll see what happens.

On the other front there’s talk that LAC might cut Joey Bosa as a cap casualità and Crosby could be traded if not extended in Vegas

Just go get Myles Garrett if you're going to go the vet route.

I'd prefer Crosby. 2 years younger. Might cost more draft capital though.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Cam Jurgens underwent back surgery this AM to alleviate some nerve issues. Saying he should be back in July 100%.

Man, hate to hear about back surgery in someone so young. Especially a Center. Hopefully, it’s a pretty simple procedure like a laminitomy.

 

[JAA]

Watch this Becton clip

Just need to bump, that was awesome

Eat up kid!

 

[Lehigh98]

Cam Jurgens underwent back surgery this AM to alleviate some nerve issues. Saying he should be back in July 100%.

Man, hate to hear about back surgery in someone so young. Especially a Center. Hopefully, it’s a pretty simple procedure like a laminitomy.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal laminitomy!

 

[DJackson10]

I do think it's a cautionary tale for players to see the Reddick and Sweat situations play out. Reddick forced his way to another team, couldn't get a deal done and ultimately cost himself a new deal and tens of millions. Had he just played out his contract with the Eagles, he's have made $16m this year, won the super bowl and now be the top Free Agent. Sweat is now in that position and will get more money than Reddick.

Maybe we should look to sign Reddick on the cheap then.

Reddick was one of the guys they wanted to rinse their hands of. He dogged it most of last season after complaining about desia.

Yeah and the other guy was Sweat, how'd that work out?

Pretty good for us. Trading Reddick was a reaction by ownership and management of look if you want to not be on this team and compete as one and take accountability you don’t need to be here. Here’s the door. The fact they let Reddick go for what they did was to prove a point.

 

[DJackson10]

There’s a lot of Talk that Becton might be staying in Philly after all. We’ll see what happens.

On the other front there’s talk that LAC might cut Joey Bosa as a cap casualità and Crosby could be traded if not extended in Vegas

Just go get Myles Garrett if you're going to go the vet route.

Too much draft assets plus paying the guy. Rather not have a guy who also thinks a guy who sexually assaults people a “model Citizen” and the only player who backs him is a guy who’s own school covered up a rape incident he was in. That’s just not a good look.

Rather just Take Bosa for the money and not give up picks or go get a hard nosed guy like Crosby who’s two yrs younger, exceptional leader and teammate and has played every game his whole career up until this past season where he missed the last 5 in a lost raiders season do to injury if he becomes availble

 

[DJackson10]

Eagles cornerback Darius Slay says he would like to play one more season and preferably in Philly or Detroit. He finally won his first Super Bowl. He compares winning the Super Bowl to the feeling of the birth of his kids! 

 

[JAA]

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

Haha dude! Would love to grab beers with you at the next parade, always enjoy your posts and insight.

I basically have Baun and Milton tied, maybe 51/49 Baun b/c mainly he IS 1st Team All Pro and we have literally no one to replace him, while Milton, we have guys in the pipeline (it would still be a drop off) and the draft is strong at the position. + How the team values the interior pass rush. I really think we get both back though. 1. He wants to be back, just wants to be paid. 2. Howie boy. 3 Vic Boy, wanted to trade for him last year. 4. it just sends the message to the team A. We will pay you when you perform and B. Lets keep the band together to keep this going.

I can't believe the Combine and free agency are like right around the corner this is insane

The more I think about it, I just don't see Howie letting Milton Williams out the door, even if we have to pay whatever "max" money is. He's a home grown guy, he fits the scheme perfectly, he's entering his prime, he's a pass rushing DT, pretty much everything Howie and Co would look for if he were a free agent. He as graded by PFF as the #2 DT from a pass rushing grade and was the #1 OVERALL rated pass rusher for the playoffs this year. Sure, he isn't great against the run, much like Javon Hargrave, but this guy is a PLAYMAKER also. 5 sacks this year, 7 Including the playoffs, he had SIX forced fumbles this year - For comparison, Javon Hargrave has 4 for his entire career. BTW, Jalen Carter was the #4 ranked pass rushing DT this year. And while there is an argument made about finances and its being a deep DT class and all, I say let Howie sign him and figure that stuff out and double down and ALSO draft one of the top DTs left whenever we pick first. Just keep wave after wave coming directly at the QB from the DT spot, seems like a great way to win a lot of games...

I was actually coming here to post something similar and I’m beginning to think he may be priority over Baun. Also, if the cap does jump like it’s expected they could backload the deals and essentially sign them all

I don't know. They try and identify young guys who haven't taken off yet, i.e., Milton Williams PRIOR TO this season and get them at a bargain. I don't see the Eagles handing Williams a contract at $25M APY no matter how they structure the cap hits.

Lowest blitz rate in a playoff game — #NFL since 2017

2024 #Eagles — 0% (Super Bowl LIX vs. #Chiefs)

2024 Eagles — 6% (Wild Card vs. #Packers)

This approach seems to be a staple of the Fangio system which is why I started leaning to them keeping him, as well as the rising cap.

I'm not saying Milton Williams isn't good, but you don't pay a DT $30M (I just checked, Christian Wilkins got $27.5M last season so with a cap increase, Williams is probably looking at $30M) unless he is driving the play. He's not, Jalen Carter is. Williams to his credit took advantage of Carter getting double teamed, but you can get Williams production at a much lower cost. If I'm dropping $25-30M on a player, I'm doing it for Zach Baun, he much harder to replace, especially since Nakobe Dean is probably going to miss most of next season.

I'm not saying Milton Williams is a bad player, but he and Christian Wilkins are not in the same STRATOSPHERE as player. Wilkins had 9 sacks a season ago.

Milton will settle around the deal slightly under what Alim McNeil got.

Scratches head, McNeil only got $13M less in total money than Wilkins and is the 4th highest paid DT in the league.

But McNeil is actually a good comp for Williams. But you have to factor in McNeil signed his contract in-season, I don't expect Williams to sign for less than McNeil especially since Williams will have multiple teams bidding on him and the cap went up more than expected. Also, McNeil's cap hit goes to $28M in 2026, that type of cap hit is a hard pass for me. I'm reserving that type of cap hit for the best of the best players at their positions (Jalen Carter, Chris Jones, etc).

I'm just saying DT isn't like QB where "next man up" automatically goes over the current highest guy. But yeah, its all very close too. And I think its a guy you pay.

I hate to let Williams go, but it's fair to wonder how much of his impact is enhanced by the presence of Carter. With several tough payroll choices, I think it's a solid strategy to dip into this loaded DL class and find a stud who can be the next Milton Williams. Maybe there's a young DT about to hit the market whose career hasn't quite panned out, and is looking to "pull a Becton" by rebuilding himself in Fangio's system.

We will make Carter the #1 paid defensive players in the league on the day its allowed.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Cam Jurgens underwent back surgery this AM to alleviate some nerve issues. Saying he should be back in July 100%.

Cam Jurgens allowed just one pressure in the Super Bowl — with nerve pain in his back that required a procedure.

 

[DJackson10]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

 

[need2know]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

no one is paying that

 

[Terpman22]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

no one is paying that

I like how I keep hearing "what the browns want" like they have leverage or are even a well run or smart run org

 

[need2know]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

no one is paying that

I like how I keep hearing "what the browns want" like they have leverage or are even a well run or smart run org

Yeah the truth is they are going to be forced to take the best offer they can get for him. And it wont be that

 

[Insein]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

no one is paying that

I like how I keep hearing "what the browns want" like they have leverage or are even a well run or smart run org

Yeah the truth is they are going to be forced to take the best offer they can get for him. And it wont be that

They'll be lucky to get 1 first. Not because Garrett isn't worth it but because they have no choice.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

no one is paying that

I like how I keep hearing "what the browns want" like they have leverage or are even a well run or smart run org

Yeah the truth is they are going to be forced to take the best offer they can get for him. And it wont be that

They'll be lucky to get 1 first. Not because Garrett isn't worth it but because they have no choice.

They'll get a 1st for Garrett. He might get a similar return as Khalil Mack did. Raiders traded Mack + 2020 2nd round pick + 2020 7th round pick to Bears for 2019 1st round pick + 2019 6th round pick + 2020 1st round pick + 2020 3rd round pick. Mack was 27 at the time, but I expect Garrett to be in that ballpark. Due to the value of the picks sent back, Khalil Mack was worth maybe 2,300 trade value points. So Garrett alone for Philly would cost something like: 2025 1st (32nd overall) + 2025 2nd (64th overall) + 2026 7th. If Cleveland sent back other draft compensation then that 2025 2nd would turn into a 2026 1st.

AJ Brown got a 1st and 3rd, Myles Garrett is getting that a least.

 

[Terpman22]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

no one is paying that

I like how I keep hearing "what the browns want" like they have leverage or are even a well run or smart run org

Yeah the truth is they are going to be forced to take the best offer they can get for him. And it wont be that

They'll be lucky to get 1 first. Not because Garrett isn't worth it but because they have no choice.

They'll get a 1st for Garrett. He might get a similar return as Khalil Mack did. Raiders traded Mack + 2020 2nd round pick + 2020 7th round pick to Bears for 2019 1st round pick + 2019 6th round pick + 2020 1st round pick + 2020 3rd round pick. Mack was 27 at the time, but I expect Garrett to be in that ballpark. Due to the value of the picks sent back, Khalil Mack was worth maybe 2,300 trade value points. So Garrett alone for Philly would cost something like: 2025 1st (32nd overall) + 2025 2nd (64th overall) + 2026 7th. If Cleveland sent back other draft compensation then that 2025 2nd would turn into a 2026 1st.

AJ Brown got a 1st and 3rd, Myles Garrett is getting that a least.

The thing is Garret turns 30 this year. Mack was traded away in the middle/beginning of his prime and AJ before even he reached his prime.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Nolan smith tore his triceps mid-super bowl

Had surgery and is expected to be ready for the 2025 season

 

[DJackson10]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

no one is paying that

Oh I know it just means that they are prone to keep him more so then trade them. Hence the asking price

 

[need2know]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

no one is paying that

Oh I know it just means that they are prone to keep him more so then trade them. Hence the asking price

They have to trade him. He wont play another down for them

 

[DJackson10]

LB Haason Reddick’s master plan to request a trade and sign a lucrative extension was an EPIC FAIL

Reddick’s pattern of business is not one to be proud of:
Requested a trade after posting 27 sacks in two seasons with the Eagles
Gets traded to the Jets without agreeing to an extension
Lost about $12.2M during his seven-month holdout
Returns for 10 games and has career lows in tackles (14), tackles for loss (2), and sacks (1)
His former team, the Philadelphia Eagles, wins a Super Bowl without him
His market value in free agency is at an all-time low

 

[DJackson10]

Rumor going around is Browns want at least 3 1sts and a player and that’s before you get to extension with him.

no one is paying that

Oh I know it just means that they are prone to keep him more so then trade them. Hence the asking price

They have to trade him. He wont play another down for them

Honestly I think he will play. He just has a hurt ego as he requested a trade after the media and fans held him accountable for acting a fool.

 

[Snotbubbles]

LB Haason Reddick’s master plan to request a trade and sign a lucrative extension was an EPIC FAIL

Reddick’s pattern of business is not one to be proud of:
Requested a trade after posting 27 sacks in two seasons with the Eagles
Gets traded to the Jets without agreeing to an extension
Lost about $12.2M during his seven-month holdout
Returns for 10 games and has career lows in tackles (14), tackles for loss (2), and sacks (1)
His former team, the Philadelphia Eagles, wins a Super Bowl without him
His market value in free agency is at an all-time low

Which is why the Eagles should bring him back on a "prove it" deal.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

LB Haason Reddick’s master plan to request a trade and sign a lucrative extension was an EPIC FAIL

Reddick’s pattern of business is not one to be proud of:
Requested a trade after posting 27 sacks in two seasons with the Eagles
Gets traded to the Jets without agreeing to an extension
Lost about $12.2M during his seven-month holdout
Returns for 10 games and has career lows in tackles (14), tackles for loss (2), and sacks (1)
His former team, the Philadelphia Eagles, wins a Super Bowl without him
His market value in free agency is at an all-time low

Which is why the Eagles should bring him back on a "prove it" deal.

I don’t want him back. He was one of the guys apparently freelancing under Desai to try and pad his stats. He’s not a team guy.

Watching the D play so well this year really drives home the importance of guys buying in and communicating well. The communication was the real difference that made them so dominant this year.

 

[DJackson10]

According to sources with the Sun per Eagles Nation, the Eagles as a team had a meeting on going to the White House or not. The answer was an emphatic NO.

 

[Snotbubbles]

LB Haason Reddick’s master plan to request a trade and sign a lucrative extension was an EPIC FAIL

Reddick’s pattern of business is not one to be proud of:
Requested a trade after posting 27 sacks in two seasons with the Eagles
Gets traded to the Jets without agreeing to an extension
Lost about $12.2M during his seven-month holdout
Returns for 10 games and has career lows in tackles (14), tackles for loss (2), and sacks (1)
His former team, the Philadelphia Eagles, wins a Super Bowl without him
His market value in free agency is at an all-time low

Which is why the Eagles should bring him back on a "prove it" deal.

I don’t want him back. He was one of the guys apparently freelancing under Desai to try and pad his stats. He’s not a team guy.

Watching the D play so well this year really drives home the importance of guys buying in and communicating well. The communication was the real difference that made them so dominant this year.

Yeah it was communication. 2024 had nothing to do with getting CJGJ back instead of having Kevin Byard or replacing James Bradberry, Avonte Maddox, Nick Morrow and Zach Cunningham with Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean, Zach Baun and Nakobe Dean.

 

[need2know]

LB Haason Reddick’s master plan to request a trade and sign a lucrative extension was an EPIC FAIL

Reddick’s pattern of business is not one to be proud of:
Requested a trade after posting 27 sacks in two seasons with the Eagles
Gets traded to the Jets without agreeing to an extension
Lost about $12.2M during his seven-month holdout
Returns for 10 games and has career lows in tackles (14), tackles for loss (2), and sacks (1)
His former team, the Philadelphia Eagles, wins a Super Bowl without him
His market value in free agency is at an all-time low

Which is why the Eagles should bring him back on a "prove it" deal.

I don’t want him back. He was one of the guys apparently freelancing under Desai to try and pad his stats. He’s not a team guy.

Watching the D play so well this year really drives home the importance of guys buying in and communicating well. The communication was the real difference that made them so dominant this year.

Yeah it was communication. 2024 had nothing to do with getting CJGJ back instead of having Kevin Byard or replacing James Bradberry, Avonte Maddox, Nick Morrow and Zach Cunningham with Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean, Zach Baun and Nakobe Dean.

yeah half the defense was younger better players

 

[ProstheticRGK]

LB Haason Reddick’s master plan to request a trade and sign a lucrative extension was an EPIC FAIL

Reddick’s pattern of business is not one to be proud of:
Requested a trade after posting 27 sacks in two seasons with the Eagles
Gets traded to the Jets without agreeing to an extension
Lost about $12.2M during his seven-month holdout
Returns for 10 games and has career lows in tackles (14), tackles for loss (2), and sacks (1)
His former team, the Philadelphia Eagles, wins a Super Bowl without him
His market value in free agency is at an all-time low

Which is why the Eagles should bring him back on a "prove it" deal.

I don’t want him back. He was one of the guys apparently freelancing under Desai to try and pad his stats. He’s not a team guy.

Watching the D play so well this year really drives home the importance of guys buying in and communicating well. The communication was the real difference that made them so dominant this year.

Yeah it was communication. 2024 had nothing to do with getting CJGJ back instead of having Kevin Byard or replacing James Bradberry, Avonte Maddox, Nick Morrow and Zach Cunningham with Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean, Zach Baun and Nakobe Dean.

Are you saying there was no talent on the ‘23 team? I’ll disagree. There was a ton of talent, and they managed to win 10 games by the skin of their teeth based on pure talent. In spite of the coaching. They fell apart at the end of the season because the coaches lost the players.

You add 2 rookies (CBs no less), a guy that came from NO who was a ST ace and role-player and give snaps to an undersized LB that hasn’t really seen the field due to injury and struggling to beat out mediocre talent. And, all of a sudden you have one of the top 5 Defenses of all time? That’s coaching.

Watch the film and watch the communication between these players. Carter motioning to Smith to pull stunts. Baun motioning to Coop to pass off coverage, or Coop passing off coverages to the 2nd level. It was elite and they were all playing on the same page and executing Vic’s plan. Nobody was highlighting, chasing stats- they just “did their job” like Belichick always taught.

This year’s team was more talented than the ‘23 team, sure. But the real difference was the coaching. If Vic had been DC in ‘23, do you think we collapse late season like we did? Hell no. Makes me resent Gamnon even more.

 

[The Noid]

Complete list of Eagles Free Agents:

Zack Baun
Mekhi Becton
Josh Sweat
Milton Williams
Fred Johnson
Avonte Maddox
Isaiah Rodgers (RFA)
Rick Lovato
Kenneth Gainwell
Oren Burks
Paris Campbell
C.J. Uzomah
Jack Driscoll
Nick Gates
Britain Covey (RFA)
lan Book
Le'Raven Clark

Jeff McLean's stay/go predictions are that only Milton Williams and Britain Covey stay. He think the rest are gone.

For other roster decisions, he thinks Goedert stays (no guaranteed money left on his deal, so a possible cut) and Huff also stays (cheaper to keep him than cut him), but Slay is a cut.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Complete list of Eagles Free Agents:

Zack Baun
Mekhi Becton
Josh Sweat
Milton Williams
Fred Johnson
Avonte Maddox
Isaiah Rodgers (RFA)
Rick Lovato
Kenneth Gainwell
Oren Burks
Paris Campbell
C.J. Uzomah
Jack Driscoll
Nick Gates
Britain Covey (RFA)
lan Book
Le'Raven Clark

Jeff McLean's stay/go predictions are that only Milton Williams and Britain Covey stay. He think the rest are gone.

For other roster decisions, he thinks Goedert stays (no guaranteed money left on his deal, so a possible cut) and Huff also stays (cheaper to keep him than cut him), but Slay is a cut.

I’d be really surprised if it works out that way. I wonder how much insider info he has vs. McLean just chucking poop at the wall.

I think (hope) Baun is the priority this off-season. I think we can afford to lose Milton and not fall off a cliff.

Obviously, if we lose Baun, this Defense takes a huge step back next year. Imagine starting the season with Trotter Jr and Burks at starting LB, with the schedule we have slated.